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user202362

12:07 AM

I have a great idea for next April fools! Or winter bash ...

user202362

A web job searching browser called 'firedFox' - to list all the lowly paid job ads a fired talent might need! Search from 'Executive Janitor' to 'Software developer for high frequency trading bakery', from a 'Shed Technician' to 'VP of Problem Wrangler'.

user202362

because future = possibility! (for a fired fox)

user315433

It's never too early to teach kids programming! Start counting at zero.

Tweeted by Nick_Craver on November 20, 2016 at 11:44 PM

user315433

12:24 AM

FR: mobile Twitter links should onebox the same way as ordinary ones. Just ignore mobile. part.

user202362

Jun 20 at 4:28, by soup

Sad reality: there is no Uncle's Day.

user202362

kids == (niece || nephew)?

user202362

Aug 23 at 10:06, by Telkitty

anything you have ever said on the internet might be used against you at anytime least convenient to you

bjb568

1:47 AM

@zaq I switch between reading FR as "feature request" and "for real". They both seem to work in most cases.

Werner

2:06 AM

@zaq Okay, well, let me know if you find anything...

user315433

4:58 AM

Log of Meta Posts stopped logging several hours ago, no idea why.

maveň

@rene heya! :D

user202362

6:17 AM

self driving car might be years away, but self driving carts have been with us for centuries ... today's A.I. still can't compete against a dumb ass

user202362

user202362

Also, I am an attention camel. Starving will not work on me ...

user202362

I <3 u donkey 💖 🐴 💕

rene

8:12 AM

@maveň ola!

Someone gave up ;)

> I just never log in anymore; haven't for years. Captchas are less annoying.

user202362

I watch/read a lot of stuff on the internet without logging in

rene

yeah, but this in the context of SEDE. If you want your queries to be part of your profile I prefer being logged in.

Otherwise I'm pretty sure I'll never be able to find anything again ...

Pandya

8:38 AM

Has reputation anything to do with community moderator?

> Reputation is a rough measurement of how much the community trusts you

> the more reputation you earn, the more privileges you gain.

I mean do above points affect the community moderator?

Bart

No

Community in the general sense. As in "all of us", not the Community User.

maveň

9:27 AM

@rene tanks for that comment :D

hichris123

11:40 AM

→ 24 messages moved to Chimney

Shadow Wizard

11:56 AM

@Pandya what you mean by "community moderator"? Moderator on a site, or the Community user?

meta.stackexchange.com/users/-1/community

heh, no onebox

Magisch

I wonder

If there is a user -1 and a user 1, who is user 0?

Shadow Wizard

@Magisch same as why there is no 0 reputation: they didn't want to insult anyone. ;)

user202362

12:10 PM

0 = null;

user202362

so it's kind of void, like nothingness :p

Magisch

12:26 PM

Welcome the void

It is part of all of us

user315433

2:52 PM

It's snowing on the east coast? We're hiring in San Diego.

Tweeted by amyszczepanski on November 21, 2016 at 2:39 PM

user315433

So. Tempting.

user315433

The how we make money blog post didn't mention 3rd source of revenue: affiliate Amazon links. Wonder how much they make off them, maybe as high as 3 digits?

user315433

teststackoverflow.com is nice but to be with the trend, it should be stackoverflow.test

user315433

Sadly, it won't ever happen.

user315433

.test

The name test is reserved by the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) in RFC 2606 (June 1999) as a domain name that is not intended to be installed as a top-level domain (TLD) in the global Domain Name System (DNS) of the Internet for production use. == Reserved DNS names == In 1999, the Internet Engineering Task Force reserved the DNS labels example, invalid, localhost, and test so that they may not be installed into the root zone of the Domain Name System. The reason for reservation of these top-level domain names is to reduce the likelihood of conflict and confusion. This allows the use of...

user315433

3:07 PM

-4

Q: Need a recommendation: WHAT IS THE BEST SOURCE to learn the concepts/approaches for MOBILE APPLICATIONS [android world]?

I'm a senior old fashion programmer. 4gl experience, beginner in C and PHP. I need to catch up with the new approach/concepts for mobile applications. I realized that after trying a sample code in Android studio and couldnt understand several terms/concepts as "notifications"... I need something...

user315433

Not sure how to parse "senior old fashion programmer".

Learn How To Be Transparent

.hello

user315433

3:28 PM

25570 voters in SO election so far.

rene

@zaq middle age bloke, still wearing an houtje-touwtjejas ...

and wrt order of rooms: @sha did dig up this so we might have to recreate the meta feeds room to start as an invite room @zaq

Shadow Wizard

@rene if you want it to appear after all other rooms, yup that's the way.

user315433

The list shows it well after other things like Chimney, so not really an issue imo... chat.meta.stackexchange.com

user315433

I'm more concerned that the feed seems broken, randomly stopping to post for hours. :(

rene

OK

Shadow Wizard

3:34 PM

@zaq only because last real activity was 19 hours ago, feeds are not real activity.

user315433

It's the feed from this filter, but there are several items there that are not in the room.

rene

waffles

Shadow Wizard

And without real activity for 14 days, room will get frozen.

Jon unfreeze his room many times.

user315433

The newest 17 meta posts aren't in the room, for example.

Shadow Wizard

@zaq caching?

user315433

3:36 PM

@ShadowWizard I set a reminder to myself to post something on every other weekend.

user315433

The Web Apps tradition is to post "."

user315433

Although there is a fraction of users who favor ","

user315433

No, not caching (or broken caching that causes posts to never appear at all)

user315433

Earlier there was a 17 hour gap between feed messages.

Shadow Wizard

weird... bug report?

@zaq reminds me of the famous "?" WhatsApp messages... infecting usually the younger generations. Wonder if @James is a "?" WhatsApp type? ;)

user315433

3:39 PM

I'd like to observe it for a bit more to figure out what goes on. Maybe some Unicode issue... Back in the days, I fed pretty much all metas into Normal Chatroom and it worked fine.

Shadow Wizard

@zaq easy! That would be "@Bart".

user315433

Sad thing, someone posted an answer to that question.

Bart

@ShadowWizard playing with fire there young Sir

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

Hi all

Bart

Heyo

Shadow Wizard

3:48 PM

@Bart I'm immune to fire! :D

Pandya

@ShadowWizard site.stackexchange.com/users?tab=moderators

Shadow Wizard

@Pandya well, reputation is not tied directly with moderators, but it's tied indirectly.

In theory, moderator can have 1 reputation and still have all powers, but that will never happen in practice.

user315433

Noonebox... cs50.stackexchange.com/users/49/daven?tab=profile

Shadow Wizard

both pro-term and elected moderators are always chosen from active users who, among other things, got lots of reputation.

Pandya

@ShadowWizard except site.stackexchange.com/users/-1/community!

Shadow Wizard

3:52 PM

@Pandya this isn't a moderator.

user315433

@Pandya Shadow asked you if you mean "Moderator on a site, or the Community user?" These are different things entirely.

user315433

Moderators are listed on that page you linked. Community isn't there.

Shadow Wizard

@zaq well, cs50 isn't a real SE site... it's some weird experiment that is still ongoing somehow.

Pandya

@zaq It's cleared : I mean moderator on site.

Shadow Wizard

It's not listed any where, so my above assumption affects all "real" sites, listed in stackexchange.com :)

user315433

3:53 PM

@Pandya Then there is no point in mentioning Community user.

Pandya

4 mins ago, by Shadow Wizard

In theory, moderator can have 1 reputation and still have all powers, but that will never happen in practice.

@ShadowWizard Though it says:

user315433

It also says other things in the profile, which make it perfectly clear what it is.

Pandya

right

Shadow Wizard

@Pandya yeah, it's just a technical matter.

Pandya

lol

Shadow Wizard

3:59 PM

-7

Q: Take the diamond away from Community ♦

The diamond in the name of the Community ♦ user is confusing new (and some not-so-new) users, making them think that it's a real ♦ mod or some kind of shared mod account: "thanks, I have been starting to think that whoever drives Community diamond is nuts. Thinking back, it has always been pr...

feature-request user-interface community-user

@Pandya ^

rene

There is FAQ item about it meta.stackexchange.com/questions/19738/…

Shadow Wizard

@rene yeah, but it doesn't mention the diamond (which appears to be the issue for @Pandya)

Pandya

@ShadowWizard Hmm...

rene

Technically it is a mod, given their powerz

Shadow Wizard

@rene syntactic sugar... it has no real meaning. :)

user315433

4:02 PM

Technically, not completely. Users can undelete Community-deleted posts, which can't be done with real mod-deletions.

Pandya

fun this cause for starting new discussion among currently active users!

user315433

Yeah, we are really scraping the bottom of the barrel with discussion topics.

Shadow Wizard

@zaq that's a hack, added only years later.

user315433

I know. It was added shortly after someone roomba'd hundreds of posts on Mathematics. Coincidence?

Bart

Shadow Wizard

4:06 PM

@Pandya anything can start a discussion. Let's see... @Bart you want a cookie?

user315433

"Stay up to date with everything that's happening inside Stack Overflow", they say. Great, how? Bookmarking the page and visiting it? Okay. And then, click each of 6 buttons to see if there is anything new under it?

Bart

How is that even a question @ShadowWizard?

Shadow Wizard

@zaq wait.. sure about that? Looks like ordinary users still can't undelete posts deleted by Community:

6

Q: How can a question deleted by community be undeleted?

On Dec 23, 2013 I edited two of my questions on Physics.SE: http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/82673/aether-isnt-connected-to-earth http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/82453/are-fields-truely-continues Then I flagged them because one was marked duplicate and other as closed. ...

support deleted-questions community-user undelete

rene

hands over stroopwafels

user315433

@ShadowWizard Predates the change.

Shadow Wizard

4:09 PM

oh wait... answer is edited.

user315433

14

A: Should questions removed automatically for inactivity really be non-undeletable?

Thanks for suggesting this feature change. I've modified the code so that posts which have been deleted by the Community user can be voted for undeletion. Note that all other moderator-deleted posts will still behave as they do today: you will not be able to vote to undelete them. This will be li...

Shadow Wizard

@Bart of course, you can always say "no".... :D

user315433

For example, there is a new blog post by Nick Larsen (SO dev), The Developer Cover Letter which isn't as bad as the rest of that blog...

Pandya

@Bart because the shadow of it's Den reaches upto Tavern! fun

Bart

@rene oooooh, yay! Man, when I go to NL for Christmas I know I'll stock up on stroopwafels and drop.

user315433

4:14 PM

Although for some reason he is starting with an example of recruiter->developer letter, while the rest of the post is about developer->company.

Shadow Wizard

@Pandya careful, @Bart doesn't like the Den - sometimes he falls in there by mistake. :P

rene

@Bart you travel by lorry?

Bart

@rene Surely the KLM will understand I need their luggage space for myself

@Pandya you mean "Evil ping space"

Shadow Wizard

:D

in Shadow's Den, Jun 24 '15 at 7:43, by Shadow Wizard

hey now we have @bar @ber

user315433

4:50 PM

FR: link the community user profile to the criteria for bumping.

user315433

6:43 PM

@hichris123 I propose to unpin the youtube link now that it's broken...

user315433

Internet of Things reached 100% commitment.

hichris123

6:54 PM

@zaq Apparently already done.

user315433

Connect(); // 2016 - Stories: Stack Overflow

►

user315433

Another YT link in compensation. ;)

user315433

Including screens of some internal tools like bs.stackexchange.com

user315433

What, we can't have BS Exchange site now?

user315433

And code samples like select count(*) from UserStory where RealName...

user315433

7:05 PM

I heard bad things about count(*), and sometimes got different results from count(*) and count(Id) in SEDE. Maybe count(1) is the way to go...

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer: Is Earth's orbit altered by recoil from take-off/launch/recovery of aero/space vehicles? by Fred Shope on physics.stackexchange.com

M.A.R.

@zaq Now where would bullshit enthusiasts go? :(

user315433

To Worldbuilding

user315433

Or Physics, on occasions.

M.A.R.

Oh well, you're not wrong

hyades

7:12 PM

One of my questions unluckily for me didn't have a solution(atleast according to whoever read it). It was classified as too broad and closed. I am not sure how I could improve it further.

user315433

Sometimes people ask on the meta of the site where you posted it. Communities differ in what they see as too broad.

user315433

On SO, it can mean "I want this question closed but not sure why".

M.A.R.

@hyades Link please

hyades

1

Q: Improve distinct query performance using indexes

I have documents with the schema { "Year": String, "Month: String } I want to run distinct queries like db.col.distinct('Month', {Year: '2016'}) I have a compound index on {'Year': 1, 'Month': 1}. I have millions of documents in a (year, month) combination. The query performance is rea...

mongodb query-performance mongodb-indexes

user315433

Blakes Seven raised a number of points in the comments. Editing a question on Stack Overflow does not mean appending "Update" at the end. You should actually edit the content so that the criticism in comments doesn't apply anymore.

hyades

7:23 PM

@zaq sure will keep that in mind. Blakes Seven had asked for the specific use case of my problem, which I added to the update. However, the original question which was pretty generic went unanswered due to a divergence in the discussion.

Feeds

Stack Overflow Blog: Stack Overflow Podcast #95 - Shakespearian SQL Server

posted on November 21, 2016 by Jess Pardue

Welcome to the Stack Overflow Podcast #95 recorded Thursday, November 17, 2016 at Stack Overflow HQ in NYC. Our sponsor today is double-entry bookkeeping. Invented in 1494 in Milan by Leonardo da Vinci's lover, probably. Conveniently enough, that's Jay's new title!

user315433

8:02 PM

Speaking of blogs...

user315433

If BO had only a few problems, and/or they were very minor bugs (such as this one), that would be better, @Robert. Unfortunately, this is just the tip of the iceberg. We've known for years that to succeed blogs would have to be integrated into the system as a first-class content type (like questions and answers), but haven't figured out a good way to do that (it's more socially challenging than technically problematic; how do you vet articles the way you vet answers? But of course, there's an engineering cost as well.) Meanwhile, simply maintaining WordPress has become expensive and scary. — Shog9 ♦ 45 mins ago

user315433

Some sites manage to vet articles quite well. A notable example (in Russian) is habrahabr.ru

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in answer: How can I keep my cat from climbing on my desk? by tina on pets.stackexchange.com

M.A.R.

@zaq Weird name. What does it mean?

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in answer: My text messages are received by my wife's iPhone and iPad by Alex on apple.stackexchange.com

user315433

8:18 PM

@M.A.R. Nothing afaik. Could be something from an inside joke.

rene

@hyades I'm one of the close voters there and I still think it is broad. If you address the issue identified by @Zaq you might also ask in the SOCVR room but do so after you addressed the issue and then ask for advice if anything else can be done to have the question successful re-opened

user315433

I didn't identify any issues, actually...

user315433

Other than that the edit didn't fully address the objections by Blakes.

rene

it is an issue, isn't it?

there, fixed ;)

user315433

A meta-issue, I guess.

rene

8:20 PM

address all issues before requesting a re-open

hyades

@rene

sure would do so thanks.

user315433

8:40 PM

Question: should there be a new @xkcdBot if @AstroCB isn't going to fix his?

rene

@zaq I would have no problem with that

user315433

Maybe @bjb568's botling can be repurposed for that...

Shog9

9:00 PM

@zaq got it: require cyrillic.

user315433

Yes, that helps. Some of the articles (not the majority) are translations, which is a quality filter by itself.

bwDraco

Smokey's gone down.

Who can bring it back online?

Andy

!!/reboot

bwDraco

Okay.

user315433

Excluding translations, a decent example of a recent article is about migrating from React to Phoenix

hichris123

9:14 PM

Phoenix? Is that a framework now and not just a city and a bird?

user315433

@hichris123 Phoenix phramework, as I inevitably find myself typing...

user315433

But yes, phoenixframework.org

hichris123

> Phoenix brings back the simplicity and joy in writing modern web applications by mixing tried and true technologies with a fresh breeze of functional ideas.

So basically "we're doing what everyone else is, just a little differently, and you'll abandon your old framework soon enough anyway"?

rene

That is what I said when they came up with Java, while COBOL was still not dead...

user315433

React is up to the 5th place by GitHub stars, overtaking Angular. Although stars don't really measure much in this context...

Magisch

9:21 PM

@rene Just how old of a flower are you? :o

rene

In the end you're still moving bytes around ...

It would be interesting to see what Leo Kouwenhoven is going to create with the money Microsoft invests in his lab and idea's

bjb568

@zaq You really want that?

user315433

Depends on the meaning of "that". Having fresh xkcd posted here automatically would be a plus.

user315433

I recall that bjbotling required a prompt for that, however.

user315433

But if you still had the backend for it and could modify it to post on release...

hichris123

9:29 PM

You mean the bot that said :( all the time?

Shog9

the only bot worth having:

STOP

Feb 18 '14 at 2:29, 25 minutes total – 197 messages, 10 users, 9 stars

Bookmarked Feb 18 '14 at 2:54 by Doorknob

bwDraco

!!/restart

SmokeDetector

Goodbye, cruel world

bwDraco

PSA: The !!/blacklist command is broken and is crashing the bot. Don't use it until it's fixed.

user315433

From way back when jmac was visible.

hichris123

9:37 PM

Way back when jmac didn't understand SQL.

user315433

9:51 PM

> We will be putting out another edition of this in approximately two months (or somewhere around July 2016). discuss.area51.stackexchange.com/questions/20987/…

bjb568

@zaq Eh, that'd require work.

bluefeet

10:07 PM

@hichris123 are you saying he understands it now?

Shadow Wizard

10:29 PM

@Shog9 this, and blueberry pancakes...

Pancake Porn

Jun 20 '11 at 18:57, 4 minutes total – 21 messages, 4 users, 0 stars

Bookmarked Jun 20 '11 at 19:03 by Michael Mrozek

Shog9

mmm... pancakes...

bjb568

I just realized that because of credit transferring, in about a month I'll be a Junior at both my high school and my decently-ranked college that I take dual enrollment classes at. I could get an undergrad degree in math there in 1 semester after graduating early. It's absolutely insane how dumb other people are to set the bar so low.

user315433

Hey, collecting tuition from more people isn't dumb.

bjb568

But these students…

I'm at the 135th best college in the US. And people are doing things 8 times slower that I can while I'm half their age. That reflects quite poorly on the rest of the students at even worse universities.

Shadow Wizard

@bjb568 the people of USA elected Trump. So you expect them to be good students?

bjb568

10:39 PM

No.

Shadow Wizard

Good. :)

user315433

@bjb568 Would you have fulfilled their College Core requirements, though?

bjb568

AP tests have those covered.

Shadow Wizard

I am sure that if a cat (actual cat) would have run for the elections instead of Trump, it would have won as well. People just hate Clinton with all their heart.

user315433

artsci.uc.edu/content/dam/artsci/mcmicken-main/students/…

bjb568

10:40 PM

I got literally 2/3 of a semester of credit just from three hours of Physics C exam. The exam had breaks.

Shadow Wizard

Trump did not win. Clinton lost, and everything she represents. (that is, the standard, politically correct, government.)

user202362

Oo dear, Trump card is going to be used to remind things that some people don't want to remember ...

user315433

@bjb568 Some of them must be taken at the specific college, like the Humanities requirement

user315433

Transfer / AP credit isn't always accepted as a substitute.

Shadow Wizard

good card ^

I played the actual game as teenager... Guess @Derpy played it too?

bjb568

10:43 PM

@zaq There's still a lot of transfer and AP credit, which can all be done now. Still, I can easily take a double or 2.5x course load if I wanted to get it all done in a semester.

user202362

if we can't be as prosperous as 'em, we will bring 'em down to our level

bjb568

Lemme tally it up…

user202362

also a strategy for equality

user315433

Also, according to UC a student must be matriculated for at least a year before graduation. So if you're now taking classes as a non-matriculated student, the one-semester thing wouldn't work.

bjb568

10:47 PM

Ok, well that's just a party-pooper rule.

user315433

They want the tuition money, so...

bjb568

Beyond APs, I'd need to take: Intermediate English, History, Intro to Analysis (easy, probably transfer), Number Theory (hopefully will take it next semester), another math elective, 2x capstone

So basically I'd need to take a year for the capstone thing anyway, but besides that, I have 5 classes left to take there at worst.

user202362

@zaq UC, university of california?

bjb568

cincinnati

user202362

I was going to say that I studied 2 quarters in the university of california, ~~mexico~~ san diego campus

bjb568

11:03 PM

@ShadowWizard Seems like the star count doesn't auto-update.

Pancake Porn

Jun 20 '11 at 18:57, 4 minutes total – 21 messages, 4 users, 0 stars

Bookmarked Jun 20 '11 at 19:03 by Michael Mrozek

Still didn't.

user202362

Seriously, you kids should go on exchange while studying in uni. If you are already in one top uni, then go on exchange in another top uni in some other country, you will learn so much more.

Shadow Wizard

@bjb568 yup, it's the count of stars in the time of bookmarking, it's static.

user202362

There will also be a lot of catching up to do, because of different universities will have different teaching syllables, but it's worth it. No pain, no gain

bjb568

Bah.

@Telkitty Yeah, I definitely want to do that.

Shadow Wizard

My brother was in such a thing, loooooong time ago.

hichris123

11:11 PM

@bluefeet He knows at least some more... not sure how much that is though.

Shog9

who needs understanding, when you can just beat it into submission?

hichris123

Except SEDE isn't too forgiving with timeouts...

Shog9

jmac is nothing if not persistent

user315433

It's still more forgiving than a production site with millions of visitors expecting their page to load, like, now.

Shog9

In all seriousness, @jmac's been head-down in SQL trying to analyze non-English visitors to SO for a while now; that suggests a reasonable working knowledge.

user315433

11:19 PM

This non-English visitor is annoyed by seeing ads for ru.SO all.the.time. I know it exists. Maybe stop them after N imprints?

user315433

Also it's irritating to be reminded that a site can spy on my language config.

Shadow Wizard

@zaq "spy on my language config"? It's just another detail the browser sends the server, no different than IP and user agent string...

hichris123

@Shog9 Or that one has no clue what they're doing and is just copying & pasting SO answers. ;)

user202362

Stackoverflow heavily depends on google. So unless people who already know the site, in foreign countries where google is banned, stackoverflow is probably not getting as many visitors

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected: BCD repair for windows 10 encountering difficulty by mike2545 on superuser.com

user315433

11:33 PM

Fun fact: I raised 24 comment flags under that post.

user315433

Hoping they are marked helpful when the post is nuked. (Well, ~~one~~ two of them is are auto-helpful because of a keyword)

user315433

Why isn't bitch enough for auto-nuking a comment with one flag?

user315433

\o/ post nuked, +29 helpful comment flags.

bjb568

flag spammer! flag spammer ahoy!

user202362

flag spamming party, the saddest party on the internet :'(

user202362

11:44 PM

STOP

Pancake Porn

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