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12:07 AM
The company/about page now has two items for 2016:
> Stack Overflow Documentation, the largest content expansion since Q&A, launches in July
The Developer Story launches in October, giving developers a better way to present their skills
one day, i'll have talent ;)
Maybe it's the lack of familiarity, but I find the bold and all-capsy TALENT under all-lowercasy company name kind of strange.
Everything is strange
12:19 AM
Suddenly, everything becomes clear & as usual, when everything becomes clear I want to go into hiding ...
story of my life
@zaq None of the other years specify the months. The downside of writing the history as it happens; unimportant details seem larger than they should.
Then after running countless simulation analyses, it's determined that having a thicker skin is the best solution in such scenario ~grows thicker skin~
12:39 AM
@DamienPaul the bird is a magpie if you didn't know already. There is a gang of magpies visiting my parents backyard every now & then. They got some meat from us this morning ...
1:00 AM
@Telkitty yes, I know magpies - usually by being on the wrong end of their swooping in Spring
Local magpies can be awfully friendly if you bribing them with meat.
1:22 AM
@Pro Your chess videos are so soothing.
hello all
1:45 AM
2:17 AM
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3:15 AM
Am I hearing what you imply that should be heard or am I over reading a bot in pretence? @zaq
4:12 AM
Night! Yay for extra hour.
5:03 AM
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9:41 AM
@Jon the frequency of your apparence concerns me, lemme guess, you are on your mobile
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11:18 AM
but I want to manage Jeff!
Q: Untrusted connection when visiting per-site meta over ssl

d3vidSteps to reproduce: In Firefox (with HTTPS Everywhere), visit a non-trilogy Stack Exchange site (for example, http://movies.stackexchange.com) Get redirected to the HTTPS version Click on meta link (for example, https://meta.movies.stackexchange.com) What should happen: Meta site opens Wh...

@ShadowWizard how about trying to manage Joel instead?
really good idea if you want to get perm banned
11:33 AM
@Telkitty nah, @Joel is too good. He won't do that.
11:46 AM
@ShadowWizard Oo
@ShadowWizard needs one more, I guess @Bart can handle it.
12:35 PM
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1:14 PM
@rene done
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2:17 PM
@TimStone any chance for a fix here? meta.stackexchange.com/questions/261517/…
It's now affected Programmers.SE as well which was renamed.
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5:03 PM
@bjb568 :)
5:22 PM
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7:15 PM
@SmokeDetector notspam, Esperanto is a new language site...
> many requests for help and guidance in the area of programming are at best simply ignored meta.stackexchange.com/q/286660
I completely agree; this is really the best thing to do with them.
This just isn't as easy as one might think at first, especially when tools for quickly ignoring a large number of posts (e.g., by 1-reps) are lacking.
It makes all the difference if the new programmer showed their effort.
Like mathematics, programming is learnt only by doing. If the new user doesn't try things, then no amount of questions on Stack Overflow is going to help them.
We go back to this though:
Q: Should Stack Overflow (and Stack Exchange in general) be awarding "A"s for Effort?

Shog9This just came up again: homework is not acceptable if the asker has made no effort whatsoever I'm developing a bit of an involuntary twitch that manifests itself when I encounter the word "effort" on Stack Overflow these days. Don't get me wrong — effort is good. At least, productive eff...

7:30 PM
I think trying to improve others too much is a problem of its own, and a prominent one on SO.
Also this:
A: Improving "demonstrate a minimal understanding" close reason

jmacAnalogy Time A good question-answer pair is like collaborative problem solving. The asker has a big puzzle they are trying to solve, and are stuck on some part of it. A good question will explain what it's trying to achieve as well as the specific problem they are currently facing ...

@hichris123 Shog9 answered that himself though:
> Folks aren't looking for "effort" because they think displays of struggle are some sort of magic pixie dust, able to turn a terrible, useless question into gold. They're looking for effort because the lack thereof is the most blatantly obvious hallmark of the thousands of terrible, terrible questions asked every day on Stack Overflow.
(I thought the puzzle analogy was on the As for effort one though)
At this stage of SO, a question "how to print a triangle of * in Java" isn't going to become a good one, no matter the amount of effort.
They don't need to be downvoted, closevoted, or sidevoted. They need to be ignored.
7:32 PM
@zaq It won't do much good for future visitors, but if the asker showed that they tried, I have no problem with it.
So if I post a random piece of sample code that shows I "tried", you're suddenly okay with it?
That makes no sense. Why even care?
Yeah, there are lazy people. Can't ever change that.
@hichris123 No, a random sample is not "trying".
I've seen my share of lazy new users who just posted an empty public static void main block as their "effort", and I'll DV and CV these on the spot.
But my point is "so what?" Is it because you don't want SO to become a haven for lazy people? If so, that seems contrary to SO's main goal -- to give people answers to problems they encounter. Doesn't matter if they tried anything or not. Just matters if it can be answered.
Because the people who do put effort in their questions, see their question drowned in the daily dose of zero-effort questions.
So... you want to reward the people who show effort? Fine, reward them with an upvote and not a downvote.
7:40 PM
I do.
@S.L.Barth Are you hoping that DVs and CVs will decrease the number of those? Because then you might be also interested in draining some oceans with a bucket...
@zaq True. At best you can discourage it.
The tooltips on the voting buttons are quite clear though. They start with "This question shows research effort" and "This question does not show research effort".
The MSE question got me thinking though - as I said in my comment there, I do think many new programmers lack a structured introduction into programming.
This, however, is based on impressions; I have no data to back it up.
@S.L.Barth maybe we can introduce the term CodeKiddie?
@rene Haha! Well, yes, but maybe we should try something more encouraging first?
Nah, let's stick with this
7:50 PM
"Hasn't-read-the-introductory-text-yet-kiddie" IS a bit long...
I'll make an auto-comment to post on every programming post of an 1-rep user: Code Kiddies not allowed here
@rene Sounds like a good way to get suspended....
Maybe you're right
I used to have an auto-commenting bot, but it was limited to pointing out problems with formatting, tags, and titles like "please help, I'm stuck".
@S.L.Barth TourKiddie?
7:53 PM
We do get the occassional good question from a new user. I even tweeted one, a few mothns ago.
Some users proposed to expand it to "no effort" thing, but I wouldn't go there.
@rene Maybe if you always add a link to the Tour with it...
@zaq To be fair, the tooltip also asks if something is useful. For a brand new technology, "How do I do X?" can be a useful question.
In that case, however, the proper thing to do would be to make it a canonical question, and/or Community Wiki.
Well it was in the context of math, which is a pretty old technology.
But in any case, I do agree that some no-visible-effort questions are quite useful.
@zaq Ok, but mathematics also has new areas of research.
7:57 PM
Someone working on the cutting edge of math asks questions in a different way from homework-doers. And besides, there is [mathoverflow.net] for those.
Hm, no magic link?
Maybe MathOverflow, yes [mathoverflow.se] works.
Agreed, in Mathematics, it's harder to find an equivalent situation.
I'm still thinking about introductions to programming though.
Most of the time when I see a textbook for new programmers, it is about teaching a programming language. It teaches the language and its idioms, much more than the underlying basics of programming.
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10:01 PM
A: Random Variables in Batch Files

keto89<marquee>Rawr XD *nuzzles</marquee>

-1, poor browser support.
How you find those? Bot?
> This feature is obsolete. Although it may still work in some browsers, its use is discouraged since it could be removed at any time. Try to avoid using it.
Take 100 latest answers on SO, show only those by rep=1 users.
@zaq it can't be that bad...... can it??? Can it?? Can it?
Mostly non answers. I see you have a problem with a mobile site on a Nokia phone... So do I, have you found a solution?
10:08 PM
@zaq mobile site on Nokia phone? You mean me? or is this example of answer? lol
Yeah, because apparently all problems with Nokia are the same.
Of course
@ShadowWizard Kinda sorta
The goal of my job is simple. Sending people I meet that obviously know how to code to Stack Overflow shouldn't create stress and task me.
10:12 PM
So what's the problem, just say "go to Stack overflow dot com"
Although it's not clear why they should be "sent" there, like a package.
I assume that was referring to the tendency of users to railroad people who do stuff slightly out of norm with the community.
10:42 PM
Effort in questions is like Adblock. I used to have Adblock and felt clever thinking how I can visit websites without being annoyed by their ads.
Then I realized that if I wouldn't go there because of ads, it wasn't worth going anyway. So... it's been a long time since I last used Adblock. Can't afford it, since I'd be paying with time.
Same with effort. A clear but no-effort question shows up, and a user is annoyed, feeling they are expected to do someone else's work. If effort is shown, they still do someone else's work, but are no longer annoyed; probably even feeling magnanimous about it. An expensive illusion, this effort thing, much as adblocking.
curiousity questions not welcome on MSE?
Just to clarify in my question - I was not suggesting a badge, I was just curious why a badge did not exist
@DamienPaul curiosity killed that cat...
but yeah, some people will downvote "even" discussions, nothing we can or should do.
10:55 PM
@ShadowWizard especially from near-to-new members?
@DamienPaul seniority on the site is not a factor. I can bet money that if I would post that exact discussion, I will also be downvoted.
@ShadowWizard I doubt that
I downvoted it, and I frankly don't care at all who you are.
@DamienPaul check my questions, quite a few got negative score. :)
well that is my first and last question on MSE
11:08 PM
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In denial ...
@DᴀʀᴛʜVᴀᴅᴇʀ I downvoted it, and am seemingly the only to have done so. Wasn't going to close unless some of the community felt the same — Ryan ♦ Sep 7 at 15:05
Okay, I added 3rd DV there, it's 2-3 now. And showered the answers with DVs too.
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How to write your first post on Stack Overflow:
(I.e., make it an answer.)
11:51 PM
@Telkitty Sometimes. I have tabs on a variety of devices that occasionally cause me to appear.
My tenant is more than 4 weeks behind in rents, then she said her daughter hung herself in her boyfriend's garage, this tenant of mine tend to lie. How do I find out whether her daughter really did kill herself? Because if it's true, I will let her live in the place for a few more weeks, otherwise I will start kicking now
Hi @JonEricson any chance of having my question disocciated from my account (or deleted)?
@DamienPaul you are in Australia as well, do you know?
do I know what?

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