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Moshe

3:00 PM

Later @Benjol

@YiJiang - still there?

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Why is subversion not asking me for my password? Argh!

Moshe

@TheRenamedException You clicked "remember me"? :P

Nyuszika7H

@TheRenamedException because you're logged in to the main version :P

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LOL, no, instead it keeps asking me for my Gnome Keyring password

Yi Jiang

@Moshe Am now

Moshe

3:09 PM

Ah, ok, I may have gotten it, testing

I was adding event "onclick" instead of "click" and, as you said, it was missing the third argument.

sweet!

As a wise man once said:

"Two minutes of debugging in the morning is more effective than an entire night of attempting and failing to do so."

Hrm... should I update the version number...

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@Moshe don't tell @TimStone this

Moshe

@TheRenamedException I spent several hours last night, some of that time with @TimStone's help. He did help with the localStorage, but the event handler bug...

Thank you for helping @YiJiang, @TimStone.

@RebeccaChernoff - If you want to test in Firefox, the script now is compatible with FF.

Um, why was my remark about Synagogues and time zones starred?

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SE Chat status script now available via Subversion. Anyone who wants write access, just ask me for a username.

Loïc Wolff

@Moshe must be important.

Moshe

@TheRenamedException Is subversion's source code available on subversion?

mootinator

3:17 PM

What is this "subversion" thing.

Moshe

@LoïcWolff Gee, thanks. :P

mootinator

Is that like github?

Moshe

@mootinator Yes.

SVN

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@Moshe Yes, subversion's source code is available via subversion

Moshe

@TheRenamedException I was being sarcastic

is thinking of putting a Nippon related easter egg somewhere in the userscript...

is going to get smacked for that

@TheRenamedException hahahahaha

mootinator

3:19 PM

Replace all instances of "it" with "Nippon: Game of The Year Edition"

Moshe

@mootinator That would require some hackery as Javascript's replace function, if I understand correctly, is not very robust.

mootinator

@Moshe I do recall the regex not being big on word boundaries.

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@Moshe you do not understand correctly :-)

Moshe

@mootinator Ah, regex might work

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Moshe

3:23 PM

must resist the urge to burn through all of his stars

Is that really impossible, btw?

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@Moshe is what impossible, parsing HTML with a regex? Please tell me you're not seriously asking that...

Reno

:D

Moshe

@TheRenamedException I am, academically.

Popular Demand

Ah, there was another recalc. I thought I had gone crazy. (s/y/ier)

Moshe

@PopularDemand You probably have, recalc or not. :p

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3:24 PM

@Moshe 4,352 people think it is impossible.

badp

@Moshe It is. Quoting the answer:

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@PopularDemand is it still in progress?

Moshe

@badp braces for it

badp

> Regular expressions are a tool that is insufficiently sophisticated to understand the constructs employed by HTML. HTML is not a regular language and hence cannot be parsed by regular expressions.

Popular Demand

@TheRenamedException No idea. I checked SU over the weekend and saw that I had a three-digit rep, which was weird because I broke 1k last week.

The Renamed Exception

3:26 PM

@Moshe seriously, it is impossible for all but the most basic expressions

Moshe

Ok

Popular Demand

I figured I'd find out about it on MSO today if there was a recalc.

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@PopularDemand Yeah I have not lost the ~800 rep I will be losing on MSO yet

Popular Demand

@TheRenamedException Quick, offer a bounty!

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@PopularDemand ?

badp

3:27 PM

@PopularDemand To round the loss at 1k?

Popular Demand

@TheRenamedException Then you'll only lose 300 with the recalc.

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@PopularDemand really?

Popular Demand

@TheRenamedException No.

badp

@PopularDemand um, no

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Wow, that's actually a good idea if you weren't lying to me!

badp

3:28 PM

Before the bounty: Denormalized reps: 10,000 - "Real" reps: 9,000 - Difference: 1,000

After the bounty: Denormalized reps: 9,500 - "Real" reps: 8,500 - Difference: 1,000

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OK gtg to a meeting, bbiab

Reno

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Q: http://www.staronlinejobs.com is it real or fake site

http://www.staronlinejobs.com is it real or fake site.they do franchise all over world. plz tell about the the site.

>_<

mootinator

@Reno I see the problem, it's missing spam

Moshe

Er, just got an email from HP, advertising app enabled printers

Yea, Facebook on a 1.75" screen FTW!

Michael Mrozek

I can't wait for the HP app store

badp

3:33 PM

@Moshe No no no no, you tell it to login and it prints out Facebook!

mootinator

@Moshe /facepalm

Moshe

Some apps in the email are: Elmo, NBA, Leapfrog, Facebook, Picasa, Yaho!, Disney...

mootinator

They're just trying to invalidate one of my SO answers.

Popular Demand

@mootinator It is tagged fake.

Moshe

@mootinator Voting Ring, Go!

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Ok, gtg bbiab

mootinator

3:34 PM

aaaand tag added

Whew, that was close.

Loïc Wolff

what tag? the question is deleted...

mootinator

Yup.

I almost didn't get that edit in ;)

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@mootinator Do that for 49 more questions, then wait for April 1, 2014 when they NOT the "deleted" bit on all questions, and you'll have Taxonomist!

Moshe

Heh, just ended an answer on Aardvark with: (You can ask on StackOverflow.com, they've got an awesome community.)

mootinator

@PopularDemand Huttah!

Michael Mrozek

3:42 PM

When they ask on SO we'll tell them to ask on Quora, and when they ask there we'll tell them to ask on Aardvark. It'll be awesome

Moshe

@MichaelMrozek No, I answered the question, of course.

mootinator

@MichaelMrozek Then on aardvark suggest if Stack Overflow wasn't willing to answer it, perhaps it was off topic, and they should submit an area51 proposal for a site which would answer their question.

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@mootinator Where A51 is a redirect to Yahoo! Answers for the day?

Moshe

How is a question with 60 upvotes closed?

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Q: Top bad practices in PHP

I've learned from Stack Overflow that some of the code I've been writing so far is considered "bad practice". Like using tons of global variables, create_function() etc. I'm curious to know more about this. Post examples of bad practices in PHP and why. Please only post one bad practice per answ...

php coding-style programming-practices

mootinator

close votes

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Michael Mrozek

3:48 PM

The real question is how "Post examples of bad practices in PHP and why. Please only post one bad practice per answer, this way the worst can get the most votes." managed to get 62 upvotes

jzd

4:03 PM

What is interesting is the OP reputation graph: stackoverflow.com/users/376947/alexandra?tab=reputation

I guess due to the recent recalc, the graph drops way negative several times and is currently negative.

Michael Mrozek

According to the rep leagues I've earned -80 rep this week. I was pretty pleased with myself

Popular Demand

@jzd I'm expecting to see that flatline at any moment.

jzd

@Popular, I guess the 267 is actually supposed to be a -267 then? (Which once fixed will really go to 1).

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@jzd I just meant that it looks -- with some imagination -- like a heart monitor.

jzd

It does.

badp

4:22 PM

bah, why is it Samba can't properly take advantage of bandwidth

maybe it's the Ubuntu implementation

or the ubuntu speed reader

...hmm, probably it is the ubuntu speed reader. Nvm

drachenstern

4:50 PM

So that nobody thinks I'm dead :p ~ oh how I hate migraines, and bosses with imaginative memories ... "don't copy and paste so much" conflicts directly with "just copy and paste so you don't have to write as much code" ...

Moshe

Heh.

Popular Demand

5:14 PM

Surely there must be a drinking game based on "I lost x rep over the weekend, what the...?" posts.

giddy

hey wonder if any mod can add a tag synonym for orchard & orchardcms

Nyuszika7H

@giddy post a question about it

giddy

question on meta?

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@giddy Why doesn't the usual suggestion route work for you?

You wouldn't need a mod, you'd just need four users to agree that it's a valid synonym.

(I won't be one of them; I've never heard of Orchard.)

giddy

loL! sorry/// k will be

will do*

i didn't think one would post a question about such a thing on meta..

Popular Demand

5:17 PM

@giddy Here's the official description page: stackoverflow.com/privileges/suggest-tag-synonyms

giddy

ah thanks.. so I'm posting it on meta.

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@giddy What? No, just suggest it at stackoverflow.com/tags/orchard/synonyms

Oh, nevermind, you don't have enough rep.

Okay then, post to MSO about it, if you really feel that strongly.

giddy

yea! lol thats why I asked here.

just did!. I really want to see the orchard community or SO.

they use an icky mailing list and the codeplex forum which I really dont like.

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Quiet today.

Tim Stone

5:38 PM

Was busy writing a Meta answer.

comes back to make noise so @PopularDemand feels at home

drachenstern

damnit I have 8 hours from wed/thurs last week I don't remember what I did. Wasn't I supposed to be doing this timesheet thing a little more everyday? :(

Tim Stone

I think I'm like two weeks behind on mine, crap..

drachenstern

err, 7 hours

and I'm sure my wife was the cause of 2 of it being missing

screw it, I'm gonna absorb two of it into my ever-expanding PTO pool, which really shouldn't be as high as it is

so now I have 5 hours that I have no clue what I did. Mostly thanks to my still present head-bang-bang-bang-ache

@PopularDemand you sure are being quiet today :p

Popular Demand

@drachenstern I thought that was the thing for today. Send me the memos, guys!

drachenstern

@PopularDemand I'm gonna go back to lurking in a bit, when I hunker down to rewrite this sproc on my left monitor

Also, sad drachenstern is sad because he has no third monitor ... unless someone wants to donate a DVI-HDMI converter cable, or a monitor that uses HDMI directly and an HDMI cable ...

Popular Demand

5:44 PM

@TimStone Plus-oned!

Tim Stone

\o/

drachenstern

@TimStone Yatta! Again +1!

Also, I am apparently quite the pundit

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I am somewhat curious about whether you can go above 500 and it's just hidden, so that a 500 weight user could submit a good flag and then a bad flag and it just cancels out, or if they stop adding once 500 is reached.

Tim Stone

That's actually a good question, I was wondering that myself.

Popular Demand

@balpha, +1 to my overall opinion of you for explaining Outspoken with a graph.

Tim Stone

5:48 PM

"Oh no, if I flag wrong, I won't be at 500 any more?!"

Popular Demand

-0.05 for backwards-izing "vertices" to "vertice" instead of "vertex," though.

balpha

it's CW, go edit :) oh wait, it's your answer: -1 to you! muahahaha

Nyuszika7H

rep audit bug on SU:

balpha

also plays his ESL card

Nyuszika7H

** rep this week (2/27/2011 - 3/5/2011): 0
** rep this month (2/1/2011 - 2/28/2011): 12
** rep this quarter (1/1/2011 - 3/31/2011): -1
** rep this year (1/1/2011 - 12/31/2011): -1
** total rep 110 :)

Popular Demand

5:50 PM

@balpha I'm doing so. (Well, I was, until I accidentally closed the tab. Bah. I'll do it later.)

drachenstern

I suppose if I show a three hour deficit from last week and a three hour bit of surplus time today, that will be sufficient for the timesheet overlords. Ok, I need food and caffeine and little happy pills and fresh air and traffic. Well, I don't need traffic, but I'm going to invoke it. BBIAB

Michael Mrozek

@Nyuszika7H Which part is a bug?

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@TimStone My home is actually pretty quiet much of the time. Work, on the other hand... the HVAC system hums and grinds constantly here.

Nyuszika7H

@MichaelMrozek don't you see the -1s? I have 110 rep on SU… not -1!

Michael Mrozek

@Nyuszika7H Did you see the date range preceding the -1s?

Nyuszika7H

5:53 PM

@MichaelMrozek oh

Tim Stone

@PopularDemand Ugh, that'd drive me crazy, heh.

Popular Demand

@TimStone I'm thankful for holidays, when they turn it off because who would work on a holiday? They're probably my most productive days.

Tim Stone

Ah holidays...I wish I had those.

Also, SE Modifications is not getting the love I expected, hmm..It also appears to be lunch time.

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Q: Please stop asking me a captcha with over 500 reputation. I AM A HUMAN

I wonder how it is possible that Stack Overflow is still asking me to solve an unreadable CAPTCHA before I can post a question when I have more than five accounts on Stack Exchange, and I have more than 500 reputation on Stack Overflow. YES I AM a human being! Doh!

support bug captcha

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A: Please stop asking me a captcha with over 500 reputation. I AM A HUMAN

To quote Pollyanna: Nice try, robot.

Tim Stone

Heheh :D

Popular Demand

6:02 PM

Yes, it does appear to be lunchtime.

Tim Stone

returns with a plateful of meat

mootinator

I'm wondering how a captcha managed to get 500 reputation.

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Popular Demand

It posts good answers that get upvotes and accepts, like anyone else.

Tim Stone

Every time a user is given a captcha, the captcha is really behind the scenes stealing their answer.

@Benjol I did finally make it to sleep, heh.

Benjol

And the prize for most crazed despot goes to... Gaddafi says 'all my people love me'

@TimStone, yeh, slept long enough for me to miss you before coming home

Tim Stone

6:15 PM

Whoops, sorry about that. :P

Benjol

@TimStone, I ended up going with your dblclick idea, it's implemented now if you're interested... with extra evil code to make Yi rant :)

Tim Stone

Hahah, I'll be sure to take a look ;)

Benjol

@TimStone No worries, I didn't need you

Question, for anyone who cares. I'm thinking of making my userscript smart enough to propose new versions to the user. But I can't think of a good place to expose the new version numbers. Is it really going to be as bad as ajaxing in the gist and parsing it?

@TimStone look for the function BorkFor :)

Tim Stone

Hm, we had toyed with this idea before, but we didn't come up with a good solution.

Popular Demand

@Benjol I dunno... there's some pretty stiff competition in that category.

Benjol

6:19 PM

@PopularDemand True :)

Popular Demand

He did refrain from promoting himself to generalissimo.

Those are probably the only two non-negative statements I'll ever make about him.

balpha

@Benjol You'd have to do that everytime though. How about using the localStorage to store the last time you checked for updates, and only doing that every so often?

you could then offer a simple link to just update the user script

Benjol

@balpha, yeah, I thought of that - [that was the easy bit, so I didn't mention it :)]

OK, rolls up sleeves

balpha

also remember you can't "ajax in" -- that's a cross-domain request, so you'll have to jsonp

(assuming gist supports that)

Benjol

@balpha, hm, yes, I'll see what I can do.

@balpha, here's another solution :) blog.bandit.co.nz/post/1048347342/…

Nyuszika7H

6:30 PM

Help! My mouse pointer is blinking rapidly!

balpha

@Benjol cute solution :) but I doubt gist alone suffices for that

Tim Stone

superuser.com :P

Popular Demand

@Nyuszika7H Something got in its eyes. Rinse with saline solution for 30 seconds.

Benjol

Another impossible thing I'd like to be able to do is get the current version of the script from within it, using code (so I don't have to remember to update in two places).. ;)

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(I am not responsible for damage that may occur to your monitor or computer if you actually try to apply saline solution.)

Moshe

6:32 PM

@Benjol what script are you writing now?

Benjol

@Moshe, still the same one, I'm refining it :)

But an 'updater-style' functionality could be useful in lots of scripts (chat. included)

Moshe

And have you seen mine? Note that you should uninstall the old one first, it's been renamed.

balpha

@Benjol

if (window.IWantTheVersionNumber) { window.IWantTheVersionNumber(42); return } window.IWantTheVersionNumber = alert; /* do other stuff */ }

Benjol

@balpha sorry, don't understand that :( is that what I should create, or it already exists?

badp

NOOOOOOOOO MY PRECIOUS PHANTOM META REPS

mootinator

6:37 PM

Nooo I lost 10 meta reps sob

badp

goes start a thread on MSO, threatening to post on his blog and make a video on Youtube. That'll teach 'em.

balpha

@Benjol if you don't use alert, but a useful callback, this will have the script work normally the first time you load it, but only give its current version number the second time you load it

the second time is just a <script src="..." /> that you create within some updateCheck() function

Benjol

@badp You think you're Scorble or something? :)

balpha

@mootinator I lost 750! Take that!

Nyuszika7H

@PopularDemand LOL

badp

6:39 PM

@balpha I lost 800!

mootinator

At least I still have my illegitimate 11 rep from Area51

Nyuszika7H

Never mind, I had too many tabs open…

mootinator

@balpha Ouch!

Nyuszika7H

@mootinator /!\ CHEATER Matched: /illegitimate|cheat|…/ Match: illegitimate

badp

Mostly because of silly users quitting and Jeff making stuff status-completed by deleting it but oh well.

Popular Demand

6:40 PM

@MichaelMrozek "Victory!"?

badp

@PopularDemand He's the king of the rest of us.

Benjol

@balpha OK, got kids to put to bed now, I'll try to parse that later.

@TimStone, catch you on my tomorrow morning before you go to bed, I guess :)

Tim Stone

Indeed :)

Nyuszika7H

myeatbox.com

mootinator

Heh.

is sad mailmunchies.com never took off.

badp

6:44 PM

The orientation of the pasta shot disturbs me.

Popular Demand

@Nyuszika7H I would be pretty mad at you right now if I didn't just eat lunch.

mootinator

Apparently the postal service doesn't much like mailing a Ziploc full of a Starbucks drink across the border.

badp

Luckily we have a room owner ready to migrate the images to their own room, right?

Nyuszika7H

Flowers?!?!

Tim Stone

@mootinator Probably because they're biased against Starbucks

mootinator

6:45 PM

@TimStone No doubt.

balpha

→ 6 messages moved to Visual representations of nutricious materials

Michael Mrozek

@PopularDemand Oh, they finally recalced meta. :(

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@balpha Request that that be renamed "The Tavern kitchen"

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@MichaelMrozek You've done some terrible things in your time, but parading around artificially inflated MSO rep? I wish I could lose respect for you, but you're already stuck to the bottom of the barrel.

mootinator

Michael Mrozek

Recalcs are for people who don't want to be on the first page

Tim Stone

6:50 PM

// usage of null is deprecated, TODO remove in next release ...Huh.

Popular Demand

@MichaelMrozek I don't know what you're talking about, these grapes are quite sweet.

Nyuszika7H

Usage of null us deprecated.
Usage of undefined is enprecated.

Michael Mrozek

@PopularDemand One day it will be you on page 2. I've got my eye on Jeff's spot

Tim Stone

Oddly enough, they do seem to be talking about using undefined instead. :P

Popular Demand

@MichaelMrozek If by "one day" you mean "last month," then yes.

badp

6:53 PM

2 years ago I was on the last page!

with my paltry 1 reps!

balpha

2 years ago meta didn't exist

badp

That's just how far behind I was!

Michael Mrozek

@balpha Maybe not publicly. Some of the elite users were invited to the secret private beta

balpha

Stack Overflow Blog: C’Mon Get Meta!

Posted by Jeff Atwood on June 28th, 2009

What’s the first rule of Stack Overflow Club?

We have this policy not because we are jerks (or at least, not just because we are jerks) but because we believe meta-discussion kind of gets in the way. As the faq explains:

Also, try to refrain from asking questions about Stack Overflow itself unless you absolutely, positively have to. Most programmers don’t come here to learn about the intricacies of Stack Overflow; they come here to get answers to their programming questions. Let’s try to help them out by not cluttering up the system with navelgazing meta-discussion. If you want to suggest a feature or discuss how Stack Overflow works, visit our UserVoice site. …

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Q: Should meta.stackoverflow.com replace uservoice.com?

Now that we have meta.stackoverflow.com, should we continue using uservoice.com? The only requirement for participation here is that you have an existing stackoverflow / serverfault / superuser account -- but you can be a brand new user, so anonymous participation is allowed. It seems that ques...

discussion status-completed uservoice

^^^ question 1, identical date

Rebecca Chernoff

@TimStone, am I imagining the part where comment auto-completes were fixed?

Tim Stone

6:56 PM

No, they should be totally fixed and awesome?

Michael Mrozek

@balpha Of course that's question 1 when you ask for it. But I'm not supposed to be sharing this with the plebeians

Tim Stone

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Q: SE Modifications -- Username autocomplete in comments, inline revision source, and utility links

Screenshot About This userscript adds four main features: Various utility links on posts and in the top bar Inline viewing of post revision source Markdown on the post history page Links on comment timestamps for linking to specific comments (with enhanced "link-ability" for people wit...