Tavern on the Meta

mootinator

11:00 PM

which, in fact, it had no problem with until I wanted to change it.

drachenstern

Know what really doesn't work? Binding to a DOM element that's not on the page yet ...

mootinator

Collation conflict between SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AI and SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS. Well good. I doubt anyone at this company even knows how to type an accent, never mind worrying about whether words are equivalent without them.

The Renamed Exception

Looks like @mootinator and @drachenstern and having a smuch fun as I am this afternoon :-(

drachenstern

@TheRenamedException probably not as much fun as you, I am only trying to port a bunch of C# code over to JS so I can have zero dependency on the page (except I'm going to take full advantage of PageMethods)

Which includes every bit of dom manipulation as I was doing in my C# via Lists and reconciliation ...

.live('click', I think I love you

mootinator

heads over to area51 to find some random proposal to commit to.

The Renamed Exception

11:05 PM

Also I only have +163 rep on MSO today, looks like I won't even hit the rep cap as a consolation prize for a tough day!

mootinator

"Practical Algorithms and Data Structures" really?

Dan Grossman

:smirks:

Are any of the example questions off-topic for SO proper?

mootinator

I would think if there are any, a [practical] tag on cstheory would be just fine...

Oh no, we only want to talk about practical theoretical compsci here.

Not the impractical stuff.

(eyeroll)

Anyhoo. Enough ranting about that.

I guess I'll use my SE klout to get skeptic exchange started :P

Darn, I'm only worth 1% today.

Dan Grossman

> Our auto-check recognized copyrighted, trademarked, or phishing-related words in the distinguished name. Please allow 2-24 hours for us to manually review your domain authorization. If we require more information, we'll notify you by email.

grrr

The Renamed Exception

wooohoo, almost there, thanks guys!

Nyuszika7H

11:19 PM

Is it Happy Hour?

Dan Grossman

Are you feeling happy?

mootinator

Why am I still at work?

Oh right, it's a long weekend.

Nyuszika7H

oy! (:

I'm going to sleep in 2 mins.

mootinator

Ok.

I'm going to drive home now, assuming my car starts.

badp

Jeff's blog post kinda makes me want to press 'delete' on a couple of questions.

but that'd be childish.

drachenstern

11:22 PM

@TheRenamedException what was that number again? :p

The Renamed Exception

@drachenstern haha. If I can't get +3 on my own in the next 30 minutes I'm an idiot :-)

@Nyuszika7H It is. Have a hot cocoa before bed

No drinks for you, I know you're underage! ;-)

Nyuszika7H

@TheRenamedException thanks for the tip :)

night :)

The Renamed Exception

@Nyuszika7H oh haha, I was pretending to offer you one, since "Happy hour" is when drinks at a bar are offered at discounted prices

@Nyuszika7H sleep well

Also, that was message 521,000. W00t!

wait, why is my rep capped at 197. The rep cap confuses me sometimes! :-)

oh, wait no it's actually 200, it's just the profile tab is wrong

Well at least that makes me feel better

XD

drachenstern

Voting ring, what voting ring? I've never heard of such a thing!

The Renamed Exception

HAHAHA

Hey it's the little things in life sometimes. Bugs getting you down? Go to meta and get your friends to give you reps!

drachenstern

11:35 PM

@TheRenamedException yeah, I know the feeling.

And in my case, "bugs getting you down? Let you friends on meta give you unicorns" !!

The Renamed Exception

:-D

Different bugs. I'll take software bugs over bodily bugs any day!

drachenstern

True enough

Yay, my boss has finally figured out (cos he's gonna be gone for 7 or 8 days) that it works best for both of us if he'll FogBugz his work for me so I can keep him abreast of where I am :D

The Renamed Exception

I have been trying to get my boss to use Trac. He does sometimes but prefers IMing me issues for me to enter and fix, LOL

drachenstern

@TheRenamedException when mine does that, I turn around and fogbugz it (as I remember)

'ello @JeffAtwood

Jeff Atwood

Stack Overflow Blog: Stack Apps and Scripts

Posted by Jeff Atwood on February 18th, 2011

As part of our ongoing improvement to our 1.1 API release, and the site that supports our API, stackapps.com, we’ve extended Stack Apps to support the listing of browser scripts.

Since Stack Overflow began, there have been tons of nifty browser scripts people have created to enhance their experience — and they usually work on any site in our network. In fact, you may remember that the favorite / ignored tags feature now built into every site originally started life as a user script listed on userscripts.org by Jonathan Buchanan aka insin. …

drachenstern

11:41 PM

@JeffAtwood we saw

Jeff Atwood

list your scripts! we also added rudimentary post templates per tag

drachenstern

(some of us anyways)

Jeff Atwood

therefore you may notice something interesting happen when you visit stackapps.com/questions/ask?tags=script

Tim Stone

Almost done, almost done...

drachenstern

So what's the word on people using those as bugtrackers as well? :\ ... just a thought.

The Renamed Exception

11:41 PM

@JeffAtwood okay, okay, I'll go lis the XMPP Bridge now... :-)

drachenstern

"Hey I was using your script and I found out it broke when I did ..."

Tim Stone

@JeffAtwood Ah, very nice.

Jeff Atwood

(this REQUIRES the ?tags=blah querystring afaik)

drachenstern

@TimStone lmao, wasn't that getting said last night?

@JeffAtwood VERY NICE

Tim Stone

@drachenstern I said I was working on it. This script is over 1000 lines long, gimme a break. :P

drachenstern

11:42 PM

@TimStone :p so's my page I'm working on ... but I'm converting one 1k page to another 1k page so I'm all :\

haha, also, boss just came in a few minutes ago asking what was taking so long, I'm all "you wanted it ajaxy, which means I gotta get rid of all my viewstate stuff and convert it :\"

I'm about 1/2 or 2/3 ... I think

The Renamed Exception

Hm, so is the XMPP Bridge an App or a Script? I think a script, but...

drachenstern

@TheRenamedException does it run inside another app or standalone?

Tim Stone

I'm pretty sure it counts as an app since it's a completely separate entity...and I think Jeff covered the difference last night.

The Renamed Exception

@drachenstern It is a Ruby script which parses the chat JSON feed and connects to an XMPP server.

Tim Stone

2 days ago, by Jeff Atwood

that's up to you.. in my opinion, things that run as "add-ons" in the browser to enhance the site rather than replace the UI entirely are scripts

The Renamed Exception

11:45 PM

@TimStone Bah, you people and your never sleeping!

drachenstern

@TheRenamedException so let me see if I understand this ...

does markdown do a bolded italics?

The Renamed Exception

@drachenstern ... replaces the chat UI with an XMPP interface...

drachenstern

it's pissing me off, so it goes away

The Renamed Exception

@drachenstern yes it can but not alone.

Rebecca Chernoff

YESSSSS finally my migraine is totally gone. \o/

3

Tim Stone

11:47 PM

w00t

drachenstern

woohoo

The Renamed Exception

@RebeccaChernoff Yey!!!!!!!!

Dan Grossman

Tim Stone

@TheRenamedException I think I slept at some point..

Rebecca Chernoff

oh nice. and chat.se has logged me out for the first time in ages. hehe

drachenstern

11:47 PM

@TheRenamedException "replaces the chat ui" it's an app

The Renamed Exception

@RebeccaChernoff Do you want to be the tiebreaker? @drachenstern says XMPP is a script, @TimStone says XMPP is an App, and @JeffAtwood isn't weighing in

drachenstern

@TheRenamedException no, I changed my vote

The Renamed Exception

Oh wait, @drachenstern flip-flopped

drachenstern

@TheRenamedException because you redefined, of course

Rebecca Chernoff

your xmpp bridge?

The Renamed Exception

11:48 PM

Yes

Rebecca Chernoff

Why would it be a script? |:

Dan Grossman

The Renamed Exception

@RebeccaChernoff Because it doesn't use the API and is written in a scripting language...

Jeff Atwood

I would say scripts are also relatively lightweight.. they aren't thousands of lines of code and don't replace the entire UI

Rebecca Chernoff

> they aren't thousands of lines of code

Jeff Atwood

11:49 PM

it's really a judgment call

The Renamed Exception

Yeah since this replaces the chat UI, it's an App.

Rebecca Chernoff

don't look at SEChatModifications please

The Renamed Exception

LOL

Tim Stone

It's slightly smaller now...Well, kind of, but not really since I embedded livequery.

I decided to be proactive on reorganizing it a little bit before posting something on StackApps, heh.

Rebecca Chernoff

app = off the network, standalone. script = in your browser while on the network

3

drachenstern

11:51 PM

@RebeccaChernoff I like this definition

The Renamed Exception

Same here

drachenstern

I think it needs to be defined on the stackapps meta as well

Tim Stone

BTW, @TheRenamedException, you'll be able to plug in new commands/key bindings.

Rebecca Chernoff

obviously that can be fudged a bit, but at a high level I think it works well enough

The Renamed Exception

@TimStone awesome

THANK YOU!

Tim Stone

11:51 PM

I think you asked for that, anyway.

The Renamed Exception

I did, now I will write a status command

That will be fun!

drachenstern

> The Q&A site meta.stackapps.stackexchange.com doesn't seem to exist…yet.

Tim Stone

@TheRenamedException Oh, uhm.. >_> <_<

Rebecca Chernoff

@drachenstern meta.stackoverflow.com (:

The Renamed Exception

@TimStone You did that? awesome!!!!

drachenstern

11:52 PM

@TheRenamedException I think he's saying it's not done yet

@RebeccaChernoff I see this >_<

Tim Stone

@TheRenamedException I started to, heh, per this

The Renamed Exception

@TimStone Sweet. If you do the slash command part, I will do... the other part :-)

MWAHAHAHAHA

Tim Stone

I switched to Notepad++ and changed my colour scheme to something dark and my userscript productivity shot through the roof in the last day and a half. :P

I think all of the white was boring me. ;)

Jeff Atwood

stackapps is its own meta

drachenstern

0

Q: Clarification on StackApps "App" vs "Script"

Pursuant to a chat conversation there's some clarification needed on what it means for a stackapp to be an app or a script. I'm posting this for the community and for future searchers and as a bit of a FAQ (sorta) If you haven't heard about this, read Jeff's latest blog entry Stack Apps and Scri...