Tavern on the Meta

12:02 AM

I wonder if I can move other people's moved messages.

Lol, nope.

12:20 AM

@JasonC I tried that myself and failed. So I've been attempting to edit them into something intelligent but that only is possible half the time...

Jason C

Ha, well

hichris123

Yeah, like chat.meta.stackexchange.com/messages/5172643/history.

Jason C

Poor phrasing. I am now ashamed for the second time today.

Oh, yeah

hichris123

@JasonC No, I think I understood you the first time? Maybe I'm misunderstanding your misunderstanding? :P

Jason C

I misunderstood your understanding, then you reasonably misunderstood my misunderstanding, and now nobody understands anything any more.

hichris123

12:24 AM

Just a normal day in the Tavern.

Jason C

I can make it more confusing, watch this

I totally understand

Our transcript will blow minds now

user315433

May 2016 mod newsletter is "in progress", modnewsletter.stackexchange.com

user315433

In the sidebar, the link "[reference] Blog Posts" is broken.

Quill

1:18 AM

@Magisch ah, the sounds of the distant past, how nostalgic and calming

@JasonC blow minds and break natural language parsers

Quill

1:29 AM

Check out my new $1,000 tv stand https://t.co/zxAXAPp6eH

Tweeted by ColIegeStudent on August 15, 2016 at 12:25 AM

user202362

2:06 AM

user202362

Jason C

2:34 AM

JamesENL

2:48 AM

That weekend was defective.... I require another

Jason C

3:16 AM

@JamesENL I've had enough defective weekends in a row that I'm starting to think it's just user error.

JamesENL

Problem exists between user and reality?

Jason C

Error 0: Weekend failed successfully

user202362

@JasonC (😸/(😾^🎒 ))x(😾/(😸^🎒 ))

user202362

@JamesENL will get a replace in a weeks time

JamesENL

actually I have Friday off, but I don't know if that'll fix my issue

I may have to file a bug report with my manager

Jason C

3:44 AM

@Telkitty = (😸 x 😾) ^ (1 - 🎒) and yes I did just work that out on paper.

user202362

4:01 AM

telkitty = ∫f((😻 +🐥)x🙀 )^🌔 )d😂

user202362

I wonder if I will ever get banned for spamming meta chats with pictures :p

Magisch

I for one accept our new cat overlords

3

user202362

4:27 AM

:D

Jason C

@Telkitty What do I win if I predict the answer correctly?

Also... the egg hatchy one is freakin adorable

user202362

@JasonC what do you want to bet with?

Jason C

@Telkitty Other people's lives

I can't stop laughing at this:

user202362

@JasonC I am listening ...

Jason C

Sorry I forgot which tab it was in hold on

SmokeDetector

5:14 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: Do peer reviewers receive any salary? by Reviewer Credits on academia.stackexchange.com

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: Elevating up to 95% of skin snugness level, you can put forth a valiant effort by Ressigirly30 on drupal.stackexchange.com

JamesENL

sd 2k

SmokeDetector

5:43 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: There is a sheltered portion system in by user630001 on superuser.com

JamesENL

6:14 AM

sd 2k

Shadow Wizard

6:51 AM

Enough with cats! Time for sports! :D

user202362

7:11 AM

yeah, that was cool

user202362

saw it

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: The transportation at first expenses by Thave1992 on workplace.stackexchange.com

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in body: The elements have been tested first and by mahikuli1 on money.stackexchange.com

SmokeDetector

7:42 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: Is there a method of generating site-specific passwords which can be executed in my own head? by Kay on security.stackexchange.com

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: How to increase app request quota from 300 to 10,000? by SuMit LaMba on stackapps.com

JamesENL

sd 6k

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: How to increase app request quota from 300 to 10,000? by SuMit LaMba on stackapps.com

Shadow Wizard

7:59 AM

!!/rev

SmokeDetector

@ShadowWizard 264949d (Undo1: Remove debugging)

Shadow Wizard

@Undo @hichris123 @zaq what's this "MS" thing in Smokey?

!!/status

SmokeDetector

@ShadowWizard Running since 07:50:04 UTC (10 minutes)

Shadow Wizard

oh, wait... it's instead of the tiny dots?

JamesENL

Whatever it is it's broken for me

Rails can't route the request

Shadow Wizard

8:04 AM

@JamesENL some broken, some working for me. How is this one for you? m.erwaysoftware.com/posts/by-url?url=//…

JamesENL

That one works

Shadow Wizard

for me it's redirecting to metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/post/37370 which works

@Pro fix smokey plz :D

ProgramFOX

what should I fix?

Shadow Wizard

@ProgramFOX the "MS" link for manually reported posts is borked

e.g. m.erwaysoftware.com/posts/by-url?url=//stackapps.com/a/7011

ProgramFOX

Looks like a Metasmoke bug. @Undo ^

Shadow Wizard

8:06 AM

Maybe just omit the "MS" in those cases?

ProgramFOX

@ShadowWizard The "MS" thingy is supposed to be there, to link to the post on Metasmoke.

Shadow Wizard

@ProgramFOX yeah, just checked older reports and it's there for manually reported posts as well.

So the bug is that the URL of the manually reported posts is lost somehow. (i.e. I don't think it's Meta Smoke bug.)

ProgramFOX

Either it's a bug with Smokey communicating with MS, or a bug on MS's side. I have no experience in either part :P

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Mostly non-Latin answer: Why do users reply to messages clearly marked as do not reply by chentaishan on ux.stackexchange.com

Shadow Wizard

@ProgramFOX yeah, blame others.... :D

!!/blame

SmokeDetector

8:12 AM

@ShadowWizard It's Shadow Wizard's fault.

hahahah ^

:-(

#rekt

#sadface

> This is a test the contents of those fine clothes Sarah accounting paprika; Alaska hot pepper hair; delirious; the holiday ah

I.. don't know.

Bart

8:50 AM

Always account paprika

Bart

9:03 AM

Holy fricking avatar @Telkitty

bjb568

@hichris123 I don't get that.

user202362

9:18 AM

@Bart cute kitty isn't it?

Bart

@Telkitty "cute" is not the first thing I thought. Especially not in the smaller versions :D

Bart

9:29 AM

Downvotes aplenty here: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/332455/… :D

user202362

@Bart assertive?

Bart

Let's go with that

People, be very quiet. I think I have spotted a wild @jcolebrand here. Haven't seen one of those in quite a while, so I don't want to scare it away.

bjb568

10:04 AM

:3

SmokeDetector

10:42 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in answer: Skin Issues - Health and beauty by user34743 on health.stackexchange.com

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported question: Skin Issues - Health and beauty by Alice Jones on health.stackexchange.com

DEAD

10:55 AM

!!/blame

SmokeDetector

@DEAD It's Shadow Wizard's fault.

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qwer

12:26 PM

!!/blame

SmokeDetector

@qwer It's DEAD's fault.

user202362

12:54 PM

TIPS is now DEAD? :p

user202362

@de

Shadow Wizard

@Te you need at least 3 letters to make a ping

@Tel ^

user202362

~_~

Shadow Wizard

%_%

Bart

ç_ç

bjb568

1:07 PM

o_o

qwer

=_=

Quill

√_√

user202362

1:28 PM

@_@

Shadow Wizard

🍌_🍌

bjb568

ø_ø

user202362

🌘_🌘

Shadow Wizard

♥_♥

Bart

💩_💩

Shadow Wizard

1:42 PM

🚽_🚽

bjb568

ﷺ_ﷺ

Quill

∫_ ∫

user202362

>_<

undo

2:05 PM

sd f

Quill

damn those spamming code review moderators

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Mostly non-Latin answer: Why is the U.S. Foreign Ministry called "State Department"? by Lutfor Landlord of bangladesh on politics.stackexchange.com

Quill

sd k

Shadow Wizard

~_~ %_% ç_ç o_o =_= √_√ @_@ 🍌_🍌 ø_ø 🌘_🌘 ♥_♥ 💩_💩 🚽_🚽 ﷺ_ﷺ ∫_ ∫ >_<

1 hour ago, 1 hour 7 minutes total – 20 messages, 7 users, 0 stars

Bookmarked 9 secs ago by Shadow Wizard

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user315433

2:27 PM

Who broke the filters again? stackexchange.com/filters/249208/all-metas?sort=newest

user315433

Maybe it's already reported on meta, but this filter is how I read metas...

user202362

you missed the party now your filter is broken

user202362

looks like you got out from wrong side of bed ...

Bart

He zaq-ed where he should have ziq-ed.

user202362

don't make fun of young cranky bench, bench might snap

Shadow Wizard

2:36 PM

@zaq it happens once in a while, fixing itself within a day or so.

3

Q: Filter that has worked for a year just stopped working and now takes me to an error page

I have a filter that just stopped working yesterday and I can't figure out how to make it work, how to edit it or how to remove it because trying to select the filter just takes me to an error screen. This is the URL for the filter: http://stackexchange.com/filters/150086/socket-io When I try...

bug

I've seen more like this, can't find them now, probably nuked by Roomba after not getting upvotes.

user315433

But this one is worse: the whole page is broken, not just some of the filters. Reported on meta.

Shadow Wizard

True. Something poisoned the filters for real this time... :/

user202362

relax, it's only monday, you have a whole week to go through ...

Bart

It's all downhill from here

Shadow Wizard

@Telkitty considering Shog posted answer to a bug "wait three weeks and it will resolve itself", we might have to wait longer.

user202362

2:41 PM

@ShadowWizard But Monday morning is a great time for zaq, I could not but reminding this fact

Shadow Wizard

@Telkitty who said it's morning for him? :)

Oh hey @zaq you can now start a big bounty of 200, 2 of 100, or four (!) of 50. ;)

user202362

why do you ask zaq? ;)

Shadow Wizard

@Telkitty because he might be upset I ask him dumb questions.... :P

user202362

But if you think I am mean, you just have to tell me @zaq, deep inside I am a really nice and friendly kitty. I promise ...

Bart

^ It's a trap!!!!

qwer

2:45 PM

Nice, friendly, and cute kitty.

user202362

qwer

I take back my words.

user202362

@Bart Ssh ... don't disturb my prey

Bart

user315433

@ShadowWizard Too late, Nick already fixed the bug.

user315433

2:52 PM

Oh, you mean I have the rep for that. Well, I wouldn't be able to give four bounties of 50 because one needs 75 to offer a bounty.

user202362

You have been smart for once today, but you need to wait 48 hours before you can offer bounty to the question

Shadow Wizard

@zaq whoops, yeah.... but your bug might get enough upvotes by the time you give the first 3 bounties. :D

user202362

since zaq didn't ask anyone to be nicer, I will just assume ...

Shadow Wizard

@Telkitty nah, @zaq never offers a bounty on his own questions. He spends it on questions he values more.

@qwer why are you pointing right?

SmokeDetector

3:17 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title: Nike Kyrie 2 “Duke” Official Images by Regan on travel.stackexchange.com

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in answer, repeating characters in answer: Chrome extension like Tamper Data by banana on softwarerecs.stackexchange.com

Jason C

3:38 PM

@Telkitty Awkward

Bart

@Telkitty nsfw

Jason C

→ 1 message moved to Sandbox

Bart

hahaha, really?

Jason C

It was making me uncomfortable because I used to date a cat

Wait

Bart

I don't know which of those two is making me more uncomfortable

Jason C

3:42 PM

Oh man; it's really hard to resist my troll instinct to continue making it super uncomfortable in here

Bart

→ 1 Jason C moved to Sandbox

Jason C

:(

bjb568

:(

Bart

Turn that frown upside down ):

No wait ... that's not right

xkcdBot

4:00 PM

Today's xkcd comic (Horses):

This car has 240% of a horse's decision-making ability and produces only 30% as much poop.

user315433

@ShadowWizard qwer's name is to the → direction as my name to the ↑ direction

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: What are the advantages and disadvantages of an all-metal hot end compared to one with a PTFE heat break? by Rusif Hacalyev on 3dprinting.stackexchange.com

[ SmokeDetector ] All of this user's posts are spam: user 6718430 on stackoverflow.com

Jason C

I wonder why CAD site proposals never make it through.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: How to solve the "APN settings are not available for this user" issue? by Sam on android.stackexchange.com (@qwer)

user315433

4:15 PM

> I'll resume StackCode tomorrow, had an unfortunate mixing of gravity, stairs, and high velocity this morning. -- Nick Craver at 8:17 AM - 15 Aug 2016

user315433

I don't understand the timestamp of this tweet, but according to Tweetdeck it was posted 59 minutes ago, so about half an hour after Nick fixed the filter bug.

user315433

If it was the other way around, him fixing the bug with a broken foot, I'd probably add a bounty to the answer.

user315433

4:30 PM

The company page got reshuffled with the introduction of Product Management as a separate team.

user315433

I wonder who manages that team.

bluefeet

The answer is in the Executives

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with a link in answer: Do pet animals and humans perceive good and bad smells differently by Rebecca Williams on biology.stackexchange.com

Jason C

4:46 PM

@bluefeet Literally? What was the entry route for the answer? How can we extract it? Do they need to go to the hospital?

rene

Back in my day, we would pick technologies based on factors other than whether you'd get answers on Stack Overflow for them. shakes cane — Pekka 웃 2 mins ago

Back in my day ... 3 months ago ^

user315433

5:22 PM

If a user's SO profile is deleted, but their SO chat profile remains, they can no longer join SO chat again, even if they join SO again. Hm.

SmokeDetector

5:43 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: Is there any security risk, if the database with key handles for U2F devices are leaked? by Rachel Henry on security.stackexchange.com

edc

@zaq hello brother! I'm the ↓ direction!

DEAD

@Sha what does @edc stand for?

@edc what does @Sha stand for?

Shadow Wizard

@DEAD ask @zaq and @qwer they know

zaqwedc ↑→ ↓

DEAD

Who's @qwer?

@ShadowWizard This is discrimination against "x" and "s".

Shadow Wizard

@DEAD they're too small.

"xs" is too small. "sx" doesn't sound appropriate.

DEAD

5:51 PM

@ShadowWizard But it is. TeXers call their site TeX.SX.

Shadow Wizard

@DEAD they're all dirty. Burn them with fire! :D

DEAD

I wish I could, but I'm DEAD already

Shadow Wizard

So become UnDEAD

hmm... or @UniDead

@JasonC you can put the room in suspension now, you know :D

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] All of this user's posts are spam: user 121505 on security.stackexchange.com

Shadow Wizard

@Bart plot twist: @Telkitty and @Jason are actually the same person :P

@zaq so maybe stop deleting your accounts?

DEAD

6:00 PM

@Bart more like leftside right, so it becomes :)

Jason C

@ShadowWizard Can ROs talk in a suspended room?

Cause if so I can definitely arrange for you all to have no choice but to listen to awkward, detailed descriptions of one human's love affair with a cat.

DEAD

@JasonC Frozen, yes, deleted, no.

I dunno which you meant by "suspended".

Jason C

Timeout

DEAD

Not sure, but think yes.

Jason C

My gut is to say "well there's only one way to find out", then ha ha, do it, omg the message goes on the star wall, oh ha ha, jazz hands, blah blah, so many lols, etc. But I feel like that's probably been done already. And also, I forgot what we were talking about, attention span exceeded.

The jazz hands. I forgot the jazz hands.

user315433

6:17 PM

@ShadowWizard Now that's just crazy talk.

rene

@JasonC yes, you can (if with suspended you mean timeout)

Shadow Wizard

@JasonC yes you can

rene

see also: meta.stackexchange.com/a/271269

Jason C

BUT CAN I REALLY?

I need a fourth opinion.

rene

I guess you could write a script that kicks everyone from the room. That gives you 1-minute on your own ....

Andy

6:26 PM

@JasonC You can not.

There always has to be that one...

3/4 people agree...

Jason C

Come on, just be quiet and conform.

Andy

I don't wanna

Aaron Hall

6:59 PM

hi!

user315433

So, the answer to my question "Who manages the Product Management team" is Will Cole, Director of Product Management. He's the only member of Executive group who's neither a VP nor a C\wO

user315433

7:27 PM

Can a mod delete a user's chat profile, or is this an employee only feature?

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer, offensive answer detected: Is it possible to capture the screen (video) with Movie Studio Platinum 13? by pornhub on video.stackexchange.com

bjb568

In plane again to Cincinnati, delayed as always.

user315433

The current current behavior of "destroy user" in chat seems to not delete their messages. The messages are marked with the same username, with no gravatar (and no link to a profile) — Manishearth Feb 16 '13 at 4:45

Shadow Wizard

7:43 PM

@zaq indeed, the "DisplayName" field of chat is static, filled once when a message is created and not synchronized with the actual display name. Very useful to find past names. :-)

user315433

@ShadowWizard Except for some exceptions...

user315433

Dec 6 '15 at 17:07, by user259867

What if... instead of disabling the delete button for unreg users, it showed a popup with an explanation and a link to user profile? "Only registered users can delete their posts. [Register]()"

user315433

^ username gone, replaced by userXXXXXX

user315433

This seems to be the current current current behavior when deleting chat users.

user315433

8:02 PM

ELU election got 11th nomination at the 11th hour, and went into primary.

bjb568

Taxiing.

user315433

Meanwhile, ELL election has been announced

user315433

> im gonna spill out everthing that i understand

user315433

Nice typo here. So true so often.

user315433

8:17 PM

Fun fact: the search for hascode:1 brings up > 7K posts on ELU and > 2K posts on ELL.

user315433

9:13 PM

Wow. Google just stays killing good products. Google is discontinuing 'Hangouts On Air' in favor of YouTube Live http://thenextweb.com/apps/2016/08/15/google-hangouts-air-youtube-live/

Tweeted by shanselman on August 15, 2016 at 8:43 PM

Shadow Wizard

@zaq or you're special, hence someone made that extra step.... ;)

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive title detected: Hee dudes, erase my account, goddamned assholes and cowards, and erase my question as well by ProfRaccoon on physics.stackexchange.com

user315433

The process of deletion of chat profiles is woefully undocumented. Can one request it along the site profile deletion? How to request it later, when main site profile no longer exists? Is there a rep threshold beyond which mods can't delete it, the way it works for site profiles? Etc.

user315433

9:29 PM

Also, all of the above may be different for chat.SE (same chat account for many sites) and chat.SO (a chat account linked to specific site, using the same userIDj.

Shadow Wizard

@zaq complicated probably because ordinary profile deletion went through lots of changes, while chat profile deletion didn't, code wise. They probably didn't want to spend extra time on something rarely used, preferring to do it manually when needed.

(after all, how many users who are/were active on chat ask to delete their profile? Not many.)

bwDraco

10:22 PM

Not the first time I've brought up issues with mods on Super User, but it's come to this:

1

Q: An open letter to random♦ about deleting closed questions

random♦, I've noticed that over the last several months you have been deleting large numbers of closed questions. While I understand that closed questions really don't belong on this site, recent controversies have called attention to your deletion of closed questions that have high-quality answ...

discussion closed-questions deleted-questions moderation

The issue has been generating considerable controversy lately.

6

A: Dealing with low-quality questions that end up on Hot Network Questions

My position—and I'm adamant about this—is that useful, high-quality answers should never be deleted even if the question is closed. The question got to the point where a truly great answer was posted to it. Our primary goal here at Stack Exchange is to build a knowledge base for readers as well ...

Your thoughts?

user315433

I dislike open letters

bwDraco

Controversy on random's decision to delete closed questions with good answers

yesterday, 2 hours 17 minutes total – 164 messages, 6 users, 2 stars

Bookmarked 19 secs ago by bwDraco

Henry WH Hack v2.0

!!/amiprivileged

SmokeDetector

@HenryWHHackv2.0 No, you are not a privileged user. See the Privileges wiki page for information on what privileges are and what is expected.

bwDraco

11:02 PM

126

A: Did we really have to delete this 80-vote community wiki answer after three years?

The question should not have been deleted. Say it with me: We do not delete good content. We do not delete good content. There are bad answers on that question (no doubt!) and the question itself is off topic, but that doesn't mean it should be deleted. If it had no good content? Sure. De...

I think this message is particularly of note:

in Root Access on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, yesterday, by random

If you see litter you can either keep on walking by or put your name to it and own putting it finally away into the landfill

random sees closed questions as trash.

Quill

most of the time they are trash

the borderline ones are usually alright in quality, but the easily-closable are usually trash

and keeping trash after the author has basically proven they would come back and fix it is just imaginary clutter

bwDraco

The wording suggests he has a duty to delete such content.

> put your name to it and own putting it finally away into the landfill

The problem is that I don't see any community consensus to do this at the expense of good content.

Quill

that good content is not wanted on the site, off-topic means it doesn't belong on the site

if it's off-topic and good quality, then look at finding a migration path, or it's just a prettier kind of trash

most off-topic questions are trash; a large percentage

bwDraco

The problem lies in the fact that the question has a really good answer.

6

A: Dealing with low-quality questions that end up on Hot Network Questions

My position—and I'm adamant about this—is that useful, high-quality answers should never be deleted even if the question is closed. The question got to the point where a truly great answer was posted to it. Our primary goal here at Stack Exchange is to build a knowledge base for readers as well ...

Perhaps I should just excuse myself from the matter at this point...

Quill

The question is off-topic, if you have a great answer that's caught in the collateral then that's a shame

hichris123

11:09 PM

The ESD answer needs a serious tl;dr section.

Quill

better yet, find a duplicate target to move the answer to

bwDraco

I'm wondering if we need a CM on this at this point...

I honestly hope not (which is why I wrote the open letter).

We already have a CM on it, got a comment from @Shog9.

I have some things to do so I may not be able to tend to this matter.

Shog9

11:50 PM

@bwDraco the problem lies in the fact that the question looked like crap and no one was worried enough when it got closed to make it not look like crap.

1

A: Undelete and historically lock question 913055: Troubleshooting a physically damaged (kicked) desktop computer

Historical locking is meant for questions that, in hindsight, should never have been asked. Questions that, due to topic or format, have problems that are impossible to correct. The lock renders them all but immutable, fixed in time, standing like the grave markers on some long-ago battlefield as...

Easy to complain about gardeners stepping on plants when you're standing on the edge of the garden, your boots safely away from the tender seedlings, enjoying the shade.

bwDraco

The open letter is deleted.

Hopefully, though, we can focus on making the most of good content that happens to be attached to a bad question...

Shog9

Yeah: make it attached to a good question.

~_~ %_% ç_ç o_o =_= √_√ @_@ 🍌_🍌 ø_ø 🌘_🌘 ♥_♥ 💩_💩 🚽_🚽 ﷺ_ﷺ ∫_ ∫ >_<

Controversy on random's decision to delete closed questions with good answers

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