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12:20 AM
@Shog9 folks just like to upvote things
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1:18 AM
STV and all, one should still be wary of putting shoo-in candidates first... they get a sizable portion of the vote, often a half or more, that could be better spent influencing the outcome of the fight for #3.
user315433
(Apropos of Law election)
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Example: jimsug got 41% of my vote. Of the 59% left, feetwet got 33%. That left only 40% of the vote for Zizouz.
I wonder how voting would be if it only took 15 rep or so to vote
[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: How many Naruto Shippuden dubbed episodes are there? by AngryFuckbag on anime.stackexchange.com
nice username, buddy
user315433
1:27 AM
All SO users with an account on the site would get an inbox notification telling them to vote... and you know what happens when they get inbox notifications.
then turn it on for all non SO sites, in any case, it's only a hypothetical ;-)
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1:45 AM
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call cat stack
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Does the monospace font in closure notices on Unix look weird, or is it just me?
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user202362
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@redredwine 41% + 33% + 40% > 100%
user315433
1:50 AM
"Of the 59% left, feetwet got 33%" means about 19% of the original vote
Ohhh. I didn't read that correctly.
2:21 AM
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0
A: What is the first movie to show bloopers at end credits?

John HeinWhy isn't anyone posting Smokey and the Bandit....meaning the first one??

2:48 AM
"It has a lot of stars on GitHub, what could possibly go wrong?"
3:10 AM
Oh god people are walking around campus with surfboards
[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected, repeating characters in answer: Rotational speed of a discus by fgt on physics.stackexchange.com
sd k
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3:50 AM
@redre I am concerned, you are here longer, yet you have less reps than even me!
user202362
My reps is like the standard for lowest of low rep regulars ... I even refrained myself from asking questions on meta because I don't want extra reps
user202362
and yet ...
Jul 31 at 0:54, by ᴡᴏʀᴅs
Jul 26 at 18:37, by Serious Human
This room was placed in timeout for 10 seconds; Folks need to calm down and treat each other like normal humans (delete their accounts periodically)
4:27 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title, link at end of body, link following arrow in body, pattern-matching website in body: The Fundamentals Of Muscle Building by carlaosborne on askubuntu.com (@kos)
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4:52 AM
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@telki I am concerned, you are here longer, yet you have less reps than even me!
in The 2nd Monitor on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 11 hours ago, by Hosch250
@DanPantry It's a feed, so it must be Snack Exchange.
5:15 AM
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7:02 AM
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7:59 AM
programming question still open: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/281969/… needs 1 delete vote
give me a 500-bounty and I'll do it
:P
@ProgramFOX write an answer that is worth a 500-bounty ... ;)
I'm super nice today ...
hahahahaha ... wait ... you're serious?
@rene crap, I think we made a bad there ...
Ah wait, no ... confusing. I thought based on his 1st point that he meant he tried and all caps title to get his question posted.
8:10 AM
Have a coffee Bart ...
Already had it ... no effect
Hop in the car, drive to Italy, have a double Espresso
8:39 AM
> <!-- Bootstrap latest css[THIS IS REQUIRED IF YOU DON'T HAVE QUANTUMUI PRO SKIN]-->
   <link rel="stylesheet" href="path/css/bootstrap.min.css">
.... thanks, for the info.... now, if you had also added any clue about what this "QuantumUI Pro Skin" is and where I can grab it....
8:50 AM
@rene I'll hop to our own coffee machine
I can feel my mind unraveling after 40 CV reviews, 40 LQP reviews, 20 triage reviews, 20 SE reviews and 20 reopen reviews today.
I can feel my mind unravelling after a day of work
I can't feel my mind
@Bart ...and I've been reviewin and flaggin so long that even meta thinks that my mind is gone.
9:09 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] URL in title, link at end of body, link following arrow in title, pattern-matching website in body, pattern-matching website in title: T90 Xplode >>> puresupplementss.com/t90-xplode/ by Aangiaara on arduino.stackexchange.com
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blushing from doing too much self promotion
9:36 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] Link following arrow in body, pattern-matching website in body: Celleral:-One's slants in clothing is seen as a significant by Narniaoug on movies.stackexchange.com
9:49 AM
@Telkitty don't add that to your CV ...
user202362
I have not touched my CV for years ...
@Bart It is an achievement ... you might get passed HR with this ... candidates with 5 or more achievements get an invite
user202362
Instead of writing a function, I thought I might squeeze everything into a single line. Ended up with 13 compilation errors
you're gonna hate your self if you have a bug in that one-liner next week ...
user202362
debugging it would be interesting I could imagine
10:07 AM
I just resolved a fun one myself. Apparently someone inserted critical code as an argument to a debug log statement ... which doesn't get included in release. Grrr
Ok, and what have we just learned? Always release a debug build to production. That will teach you ...
user202362
especially with debugging logs
user202362
because that would help with your software's performance issue
user202362
Bart is going hunt us with hatchet ...
I assume it was an experiment on a few pages
Not site wide for all pages?
Or did I misunderstood the tweet? twitter.com/Nick_Craver/status/755055245454151680
10:20 AM
It seems to be site-wide? Ping a dev perhaps
Say @Oded, are you around? Is this a correct edit? meta.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/45448
Now we wait ...
Not really an experiment, but yes, only done on a few routes.
I've updated the answer.
Thanks :)
Thanks for letting me know :)
Hey Oded (no ping cause CM)
10:32 AM
CM? I'm no CM.
Just a lowly Q&A developer :P
SE Employee will do it
I'm hesitant to ping blue people unless its important
@Oded I fixed the url there, not sure what happened
I should have checked the link. I think I had a ] there before linking - probably threw off the parse.
Thanks for fixing, @rene
@Oded Did you guys ever intend for people to max out all review queues on any given day?
Because atm, depending on what you get to review, thats impossible
I doubt it is intentional. I'd expect there to be limits on each and every queue - so people are forced to take a break.
10:36 AM
@Oded Oh, there are
But if you do 40 CV reviews, it can mean that midway through triage reviews you ran out of close votes, and then you can't review triage to its daily limit
Same for votes with first posts and late answers
Also if you're vote-capped.
Ah - that's lots of features that come together in an unexpected way. But... if it forces one off the queue (and the queue doesn't just keep growing), that's not really a problem.
Treat it as a signal to stop reviews ;)
Where is my god now? :(
Upstairs
The only queue that's a problem there is the close votes queue. And even that is oh so much better than it used to be.
10:52 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] URL in title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, pattern-matching website in title: slimbodyketone.co.uk/expert-lift-iq/ by silarjoj on security.stackexchange.com
user202362
11:09 AM
@Oded so other than QA developers, what other developers are there?
@Telkitty Careers, Marketing, Internal, SRE...
More about team association and product focus than actual skills.
@Oded Who is currently working on the docs project of those?
It is part of Q&A - actual team - Jarrod Dixon, Adam Lear and Kevin Montrose, with a bit of help from others as needed.
That explains why we don't see Kevin often on meta.SE these days
user202362
oic, alear has become a core developer :p
11:18 AM
I wonder Oded, do you get a lot of coaster puns and does it annoy you?
@Telkitty A good while now. Definitely more than a year ago.
@Magisch no, not many. Only you seem to make them.
I can't help myself I love puns too much
D:
Also - in the UK my last name is usually confused with Costa.
@Magisch I get a lot of TIPS puns and I'm not complaining
'cause of this chain: costa.co.uk
11:20 AM
@TIPS Do you have some tips on how to make better puns?
:D
@Magisch puns are magic ;)
complains
11:35 AM
@Bart ........
@Bart ........
@Derpy He's derping around
Maybe you got some tips for him to avoid that...
@Oded at least not roller coaster... ;-)
@ShadowWizard That's Roller Coster to you mister.
11:40 AM
what
@Oded so not you?
@Derpy Thats a derpy skeleton in that image
@TIPS is it related to RC cola?
@ShadowWizard Dunno, are you, @Oded?
@Magisch Just a little tired, did a skele-ton of work yesterday
11:44 AM
You're doing it wrong
Don't push the pun
It will ascend from the skies itself.
@ShadowWizard nope, I didn't work on docs.
@TIPS vile stuff. Wouldn't want to be associated with it.
I thought you were talking about docs there <_<
CC @Sha
@Quill He's sending a message
:P
12:17 PM
[ SmokeDetector ] Link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: Donc, il est en outre crucial de prendre considération légitime de votre peau by Annold67 on drupal.stackexchange.com
12:30 PM
When you visit faq, your mouse pointer become hand when you mouseover text of the topic which is expandable and it become text-selector on that text of the topic which is not expandable. And if your pointer is hand while mouseover on text, then when you click post is expanded and pointer become text-selector BUT for the last 4th post "Why is my avatar not showing correctly?" it is hand instead of text-selector and remains hand (you've to click title)
Does it happen for you?
Yes.
Please don't tell me you're gonna report that as a bug.
@TIPS no I'm not... but it seems some undesirable/different right?
Define "problem".
It hasn't killed anyone.
Yes, but meh.
Isn't it unexpected?
So?
12:35 PM
I just wanted to discuss in chat to ensure that it is not only for me (Browser problem etc.)
What if it's both browsers' problem? :P
):
Btw, how about expand indicator (arrow) is missing for two topics? (that has show more link)? I'm going to post on MSE
I knew you'd say that in the end.
You're slightly, playfully, annoying.
12:38 PM
@TIPS no, this is different question
How many people read chat FAQ anyway?
@Pandya What is the question? That two arrows are missing from a page that almost no one reads?
@TIPS I'm talking about "How do I talk?" and "How do I format my messages?" misses arrows
Yes. This issue is very serious and needs immediate medical attention.
you sounds more serious than the issue! :P
OK that's it. I need a nap.
1:11 PM
@TIPS wakeup to visit this or consider as dream!
1:36 PM
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@SmokeDetector k
1:48 PM
@Shog9 can i talk to you about something privet? i send a message to Support but they didn't respond
Pinging CM's randomly in chat isn't a good idea IIRC
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword with email in answer: Permission denied running perl by Andre Carneiro on askubuntu.com (@kos)
2:05 PM
@user1803551 how long ago did you send it?
They are usually fairly busy, so a response may take some time
user202362
~ brings out popcorn, waiting for the firework
Fireworks end up being @ShadowWizard farting. The crowd is disappointed and disgusted
on sunday. i sent a previous message a week before (on sunday) and they answered the following day, so i thought they aren't as busy as people say
It depends I guess. But if Shog doesn't respond here, give it some time.
user202362
also, there are other CMs who you can ping too
2:11 PM
where?
and can they see the messages i sent to support?
Yup, but you've pinged one. Unless it's a matter of extreme urgency, just wait.
@user1803551 If you emailed the team, yes
2:41 PM
@Oded good for you... think it's causing the devs working on it lots of headache...
@Oded but they're the only brand who had a Lemon Cola... I think. (or was it Pepsi? ;))
@ShadowWizard wouldn't know. I tried their cola once.
@TIPS I'm going to post on MSE
@ShadowWizard that's how we roll at Stack Overflow. Ship something then fixfixfixfixfixfixfix
"rapid development", isn't it?
@Bart hey, my farts are real art work! :D
@user1803551 depends on the answer. If they said "Give us some time to check this, we'll get back to you", then sending them again won't do any good.
2:45 PM
@Oded and if it fails, at least Nick gets to write a new blog post. So win-win?
@Oded and? ;)
@ShadowWizard THE END
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Two months ago, I joined the Stack Overflow design team. Here's what it's been like so far: https://medium.com/@tedgoas/on-joining-stack-overflow-as-a-designer-a6d794adb295#.k92zpnvuu https://t.co/mt7bYUdvKs
@ShadowWizard they didn't answer, that's the point
@user1803551 you said "they answered the following day"
2:47 PM
to a different message. read the whole sentence
@user1803551 you said "previous", not "different". I assumed they're both on the same issue.
still doesn't make sense, but doesn't matter
@redredwine Huh. They use GitLab. I thought I'd read somewhere they used GitHub Enterprise.
user315433
They are considering switching to GH Enterprise.
@Glorfindel hey, can you please retract the close vote here? Turns out it's a different issue, OP does have the latest version. (see comments)
2:54 PM
@Andy Nick Craver mentioned in a podcast a while ago and I think it was in a few meta posts as well
GitLab can run on a locally-hosted server, but GitHub is hosted solely by GitHub By general rule of thumb: Ignore me, I don't know anything
No, GitHub enterprise is hosted on site
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> If Gitlab pricing keeps getting crazier (note: I said “crazier”, not “more expensive”), we’ll certainly re-evaluate GitHub Enterprise again. nickcraver.com/blog/2016/05/03/…
Ah ha. That looks familiar.
A manual ban for this edit looks really too much though. It wasn't that bad an edit. There may be more to this story. — Tunaki 3 hours ago
Now even more of a conspiracy!
@hichris123 ?
3:04 PM
17 hours ago, by hichris123
I sure hope that wasn't why a mod banned the user...
17 hours ago, by hichris123
True. Although I've seen more of these crop up recently so I'm starting to doubt they're random errors...
17 hours ago, by red red wine
Conspiracy!
Ah, can't we blame Undo for running a script on the mod tools?
Yep, great idea!
@ShadowWizard What? No! Actually it's just that I didn't want to receive more downvotes ;-) — Konamiman ♦ 19 secs ago
lolz
You tinfoils need to calm down
You know when everything is done if management starts to edit &hellip; in posts . . .
3:09 PM
In the 6-8 weeks post no less...
now that's something to form conspiracies about
So Undo impersonate as a CM and starts editing posts ... ?
Why is Undo the target of conspiracies?
So is Undo impersonating Quill right now?
that ^
3:12 PM
@rene Undo? huh?
Thanks for contributing to my identity paranoia
I think Undo is impersonating Shadow as well.
I'll put you down as primary contact on my counselling forms
don't worry Undo can't touch us with his diamond-users totalitarianism on this chat server
3:15 PM
He'll find a proxy ....
4:23 PM
@ShadowWizard done!
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4:38 PM
So today is the annual stack summer party... I guess this means we get to take time off reviewing, too?
4:51 PM
@Glorfindel thanks!
@nicael is joule per second.
@nicael needs .... moar .... profit ....
@nicael well, downvotes helped before so.... downvote! :D
@ShadowWizard I did :)
@ShadowWizard Oh wait, I have upvoted that. It needs to be edited so I retract and downvote.
5:36 PM
Oh, we found the serial upvoter ...
@rene No . . . I . . . was not . . . this . . . not . . . I demand to see your papers.
@TIPS Can't ... I handed everything to the authorities wiki leaks
Shog9 Shog9 do you read? Over cshhhhhh We need to terminate a subject that knows too much. Over cshhhhhh
5:52 PM
@TIPS whaaaaaaaaaaattttttt????? you u...p....v.....o......t.....e......d?!?!?!?!?!
Yes.
It did explain the reason efficiently.
user315433
Meta votes are about agreement/disagreement for the most part.
I disagree with "Premium packs", here or anywhere else. But I didn't express it on that answer.
@redredwine and disagreement helps sometimes..... :P
But if you guys will do something fun, you can have my vote.
user315433
5:57 PM
You have to be invited to have fun today...
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Let's have some fun Stock Overflow team! (@ Chelsea Piers Sports Center in New York, NY) https://www.swarmapp.com/c/hNNkIQIS5pG https://t.co/9HfyY7pg8D
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Summer party as seen by an SRE:
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Sitting trying to get work done on my laptop and hoping the battery doesn't run out solely because if I wasn't here I'd lose vacation time.
user315433
Discrimination against introverts... :/
I'm by many definitions an extrovert.
If you consider yourself an introvert, you're an extrovert. And the vice versa.
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Q: What is the difference between Internet and World Wide Web?

Sunni Internet and World Wide Web, any body know the difference between Internet and World Wide Web or WWW. The World Wide Web (WWW) is set of services related to software working on Internet is true?

6:27 PM
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@user1803551 how 'bout I just respond to your email. This seems like not a good thing to discuss in chat.
@Shog9 sure, i just didn't get a response
6:42 PM
you will, eventually.
alright
thanks
user315433
7:04 PM
> The @StackOverflow summer party at @ChelseaPiersNYC! pic.twitter.com/8OLXvuBAvv -- Jon Chan at 11:59 AM - 3 Aug 2016
Doesn't seem like Shog is there...
user315433
Table #9 is apparently an introvert refuge. What table are the important people at?
@hichris123 He was prolly in the middle of some philosophical self-revelation.
user315433
The party must be over now, it was announced as 1-3pm.
@hichris123 I live and work in Colorado. Every day is a party...
user315433
7:10 PM
Kevin Montrose was the only one I recognized on the photo. The quality isn't great, and in any case most of the people on it probably have nothing to do with Q&A.
user315433
7:41 PM
user315433
^ Web Apps review queues
user315433
Extensive use of web apps requires alcohol.
8:03 PM
Why am I always too late for suggested edit reviews?
@rene aging, it's always aging
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> @JayHanlon just excused himself from a conversation to catch a Pokemon. pic.twitter.com/mwC2y4cR1S -- Rich Moy at 12:56 PM - 3 Aug 2016
@ShadowWizard Meh, I'm more of complot theorist. I suspect you accept and edit all those ... just to keep me off my gold badge ...
@rene I read that as a terrorist! Now a terrorist flower is something realllllllly scary! :P
@rene and... me? I don't review edits a lot recently...
8:26 PM
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@ShadowWizard you bet
@ShadowWizard a conspiracy, I tell you ...
sd f
@rene what, like the one @red yelled about? ;)
:D
@ShadowWizard can you check this? Did I wrongly duped this?
8:42 PM
@rene yes, but you fixed that by editing the other one making it broader.
Now time to post a decent answer there. :)
You can just copy from answers here:
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Q: Thanking users who answered my question

Richard EverettQuite often a number of users will give similar answers to a question I post on Stack Overflow. Sometimes someone will give an answer that is interesting, but does not really help answer the question. In all cases I feel a need to thank the people who replied to my question. Upvoting their reply...

@ShadowWizard btw, what about thanking for a comment? (the user clarified his answer)
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Q: I Desperately need Hacking Services please

Greg MelkonianIn need of a professional hacker for a job. some people have threatened my girlfriend and the only way to get payback is through hacking.

@PichiWuana comments are too minor, just an upvote. And if comment solves someone's problem, it shouldn't be a comment to begin with.
@ShadowWizard should I role back the edit on the former dupe target?
@redredwine tpu
role back? Nope. Maybe roll back... ;)
Now that you reopened and posted answer then yeah, probably for the best.
(though I originally meant the answer should go in the older question... but never mind, not that important)
8:55 PM
@ShadowWizard sigh ...
yeah, quite the mess we did here. calling cleaning services
That's what happens when a flower listens to a shadow...
@redredwine exists no more
@rene heh, that was quick!
SO is the fastest toilets I've ever seen.
@ShadowWizard it needed one extra cv and SOCVR is filled with people around this time ...
including users with delete-votes
@rene cool!
@Shog Sam mentions here that the suggested edits queue size increased to 200 on Stack Overflow. What is its size on other sites? According to this, the default was 20 across the network, is this still true?
9:11 PM
@ShadowWizard 40
@Shog9 thanks. Is it 40 on all sites except SO?
@ShadowWizard Currently 40 everywhere but SO (where it's 200) and Japanese (where it's 50).
Awesome, lots of editing to do now...
(self note: don't get into such things at 12 AM... :))
@ShadowWizard Not only on Meta but 40*156. ;)
lol
@Shog9 sorry to nag but... Japanese as in Japanese Language, or Japanese.SO?
9:15 PM
huh. OK!
I'd suggest that documenting exceptions like that is probably a waste of time
@Shog9 oh. Why? People want to know...
JAL
JAL
Hey Shog, Shadow. Thanks for looking into this! Shadow, if you feel so inclined, edit the FAQ here
It's not like it's changing every day. @Shog (so when it's changing, just need to edit)
@JAL yeah, plan on doing that.
JAL
JAL
9:16 PM
cool, thanks!
@Shog9 thanks for your help on retrocomputing as well!
@ShadowWizard I have no idea why it's 50 on that site. If you can find that out, it might be worth adding a note.
JAL
JAL
ha
@JAL np
@Shog9 you have better chance of finding by asking those who might actually know... ;)
(e.g. ask in your super secret chat room :))
@ShadowWizard I honestly don't care very much. Presumably they ran into a problem at some point in the long distant past, and that fixed it...
Right now, I'd suggest it's enough to know that,
1) It *can* be changed per-site if needed
2) The default is 40
9:19 PM
@Shog9 sounds like a fair reason. But still, just knowing it's 50 even without knowing why is good enough and better than not knowing at all.
If you wanna add a list of exceptions, ok, but... No guarantees anyone will maintain that.
@Shog9 of course, it wasn't maintained for years. (the default was never edited to be 40)
...which it probably has been for a very long time
user315433
9:32 PM
If something doesn't exist, it doesn't need to be maintained.
9:43 PM
Official gear for Rio 2016 (provided by Canon for the press).
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9:58 PM
new ELU election coming up: english.stackexchange.com/election/4
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user315433
Interesting... I didn't know election pages were accessible before the beginning.
user315433
This suggests an idea for a scraper...
10:21 PM
> I’m finally using flexbox in production.
user315433
A sysadmin joke I'm not getting...
user315433
@Nick_Craver @shortdudey123 I wonder if the Hot Network Questions section is a good enough salt to disrupt the timings. World Building FTW!
10:41 PM
it's certainly the season for conventions; black hat, defcon, ndc, ai meetup

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