Tavern on the Meta

12:05 AM

I'm going to start popping into THCs and asking questions like "which nominee would make the worst mod?". It's going to be fun

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HAHA

Michael Mrozek

"What secret do you think would put you out of the running if it became widely known?"

Tim Stone

"If a blood sacrifice was required to become moderator (and it is), who would your victim be?"

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Justin 'jjnguy' Nelson

Programmer town hall is over

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@JustinjjnguyNelson great questions!

Justin 'jjnguy' Nelson

12:08 AM

@TheRenamedException Thanks, just trying to help.

I probably won't even vote. I haven't participated on the site at all.

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haha, I might not either

Michael Mrozek

@JustinjjnguyNelson I can't vote; I asked questions anyway :)

Justin 'jjnguy' Nelson

@MichaelMrozek why can't you vote?

Are you a pro tem mod?

Michael Mrozek

No, I have 101 rep there

I'm pretty sure pro tem mods can vote

Justin 'jjnguy' Nelson

@MichaelMrozek ah. I could have sworn your name was blue...

Michael Mrozek

12:10 AM

I'm a pro tem mod on Unix; chat doesn't make a distinction

If you click a name on chat.SE you can see what site their account is associated with

Justin 'jjnguy' Nelson

@MichaelMrozek Ah.

Rebecca Chernoff

Ask, sure

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@JustinjjnguyNelson I am sure Zypher will help you out :-D

George Marian

> Last April, the MySQL appliance was tweaked so it could be used as a NoSQL key-value persistent store for applications.

Justin 'jjnguy' Nelson

@TheRenamedException i meant to ask Rebecca in P.SE chat.

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12:15 AM

@JustinjjnguyNelson She will probably help you. I was referring to when Zypher changed my name without my permission :-)

Jan 7 at 4:09, by Zypher

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException also when chat re-syncs with meta your username will be shorter ... i ... couldn't ... stand ... it

Justin 'jjnguy' Nelson

@TheRenamedException Haha. oh I see. I'm not hip to all of the inside jokes.

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@JustinjjnguyNelson you had to be here. It happened 30 days ago -- I just got my name back ;-)

Justin 'jjnguy' Nelson

@TheRenamedException Ah, fair enough.

Michael Mrozek

@JustinjjnguyNelson oy. (:

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Justin 'jjnguy' Nelson

@MichaelMrozek I don't get that one either...

Well, the smiley I get...but not oy

Michael Mrozek

12:18 AM

@RebeccaChernoff says oy a lot. And has backwards smilies

Typically saying it gets me piles of stars, but apparently not today

Yi Jiang

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A: The Many Memes of Meta

Meme: Oy Origin: rchern Cultural Height: TBD First Seen: MSO Chat, probably in The Tavern Background: Not completely known. Some believe it is the Jewish / Yiddish phrase "Oy Vey". Others like Michael Myers believe "It's 'yo' backwards. [Because] everything is backwards in Missouri.". "Oy" mo...

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@YiJiang beat me to it!

Rebecca Chernoff

@MichaelMrozek oy (;

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@JustinjjnguyNelson backwardsmile.info (-:

hides

Rebecca Chernoff

Oh, @TheRenamedException, I saw a SE tweet today I wanted to link you to...

Justin 'jjnguy' Nelson

12:20 AM

I can't force my fingets to type backwards smileys

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@RebeccaChernoff uh oh, LOL

Rebecca Chernoff

Stack Exchange Home Improvement Q: How do I unclog my dishwasher? http://t.co/XonyK6h

Tweeted by zippy1981 on February 2, 2011 at 4:05 PM

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AHAHAHAHAHAHA

Yi Jiang

@JustinjjnguyNelson Yes you can. If you can't... @RebeccaChernoff will force you to... evil laugh

Justin 'jjnguy' Nelson

@YiJiang Good job with the election site btw.

Yi Jiang

12:21 AM

@JustinjjnguyNelson Thanks

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@JustinjjnguyNelson yeah, I second this @YiJiang!

Justin 'jjnguy' Nelson

oy d: (is that how it works?)

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Yi Jiang

(waits eagerly for @NickCraver to come around and tell me how bad my code is)

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@JustinjjnguyNelson you got a star, so you must have done it right (-;

Yi Jiang

@JustinjjnguyNelson I think she usually do q:, but otherwise, yeah

Justin 'jjnguy' Nelson

12:23 AM

Ha, thanks for the help guys!

Rebecca Chernoff

@YiJiang spreading evil lies about me? ):

Justin 'jjnguy' Nelson

@RebeccaChernoff You'd have to disprove his statement before they become lies.

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The programmers' THC started off slow, but got just as jumbled as SU's :-)

Yi Jiang

@RebeccaChernoff Do you want me to pull out pictorial proof again? ;)

Justin 'jjnguy' Nelson

@TheRenamedException Sorry if I made it confusing at all.

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12:26 AM

@JustinjjnguyNelson no, not at all

Rebecca Chernoff

@YiJiang, opening photoshop doesn't count as evidence (:

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Mostly it was people coming in late, and forgotten / delayed answers

@RebeccaChernoff haha

Yi Jiang

Nov 17 '10 at 15:55, by Yi Jiang

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@MichaelMrozek I did it again, huh? I created the room under the wrong site!

How did I do that wrong?

Michael Mrozek

I don't even remember how it works, it's been a long time since I made a room

It probably associates the room with whatever site your chat account is associated with, which for you is SO

Yi Jiang

12:29 AM

@TheRenamedException Shouldn't you have to choose from a list of sites when you create the room?

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@YiJiang I swear I checked everything before making this room since last time I miessed it up

Michael Mrozek

@YiJiang That's how I would expect it to work, but there's no option for it

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I think @MichaelMrozek is right, it uses my associated account

Rebecca Chernoff

@YiJiang >_<

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in Programmers Town Hall Digest on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 4 mins ago, by Josh

in Programmers Town Hall Chat, 31 mins ago, by Justin 'jjnguy' Nelson

How do you feel about the (what seems to me as a ) relatively small turnout to this chat? Does it upset you? Are you phased by it at all?

Michael Mrozek

12:31 AM

Possibly to prevent you from making a room on a site you don't have enough rep on, although it seems like it could just check for that after you submit

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That was a good question @JustinjjnguyNelson, I didn't even see it live

only just saw it

@MichaelMrozek makes sense

Justin 'jjnguy' Nelson

@TheRenamedException thanks

Michael Mrozek

I see an alert in here, and like 15 seconds later my really slow computer across the room that also has chat open makes the "new message!" sound

Justin 'jjnguy' Nelson

I hope SO holds a mid year election...I can't wait another year to run again.

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That digest was a piece of cake :-)

Justin 'jjnguy' Nelson

12:34 AM

@TheRenamedException Good work.

Trufa

@JustinjjnguyNelson you'll have my support!

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@JustinjjnguyNelson haha, thanks

Justin 'jjnguy' Nelson

@Trufa thanks.

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I agree with @MichaelMrozek there has to be a better format

it was pretty bad when JoshK and Renesis though my room was the real town hall! =o

Yi Jiang

Hmmm, where did the 'invite this user to...' option go?

@TheRenamedException Ahahaha

Justin 'jjnguy' Nelson

12:36 AM

@TheRenamedException Yah. I wouldn't have started it before the town hall was over

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@YiJiang see my query from last digest :-)

@JustinjjnguyNelson yes, I agree :-)

or at least until all candidates were present

Yi Jiang

I can create a GM script that would allow you to pull out chat messages and format them with a template, would that work?

You can then do whatever you want with the formatted messages

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that would be awesome.

but what Town Halls are left?

Yi Jiang

@TheRenamedException Well, there's at least half a dozen more elections, so...

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ah, nice

I had no idea there were so many for some reason

Yi Jiang

12:39 AM

Stack Overflow Blog: Moderator Messages

Posted by Jeff Atwood on February 2nd, 2011

First, a quick update on the Stack Exchange moderator election schedule.

Ending today, so get those votes in!

Ending soon:

Just started:

Coming soon, in this order, at 3 per week:

(as always check out Yi Jiang’s awesome Stack Exchange Moderator Candidate Statistics page for insanely detailed election stats on any of the above.)

As you can see, we have a lot of community moderators! That’s why we’ve been working so hard lately on improving our moderator tooling, to make sure our new class of incoming moderators have as pleasant, polished, and smooth an experience as possible. …

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@YiJiang Shayshay... er, how would you write "Thank you" in Chinese phonetically in English? :-)

Yi Jiang

@TheRenamedException In pinyin it's Xie Xie

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@YiJiang ah ha, I would never have thought to type it like that :-)

Yi Jiang

Chinese phonetics is different from English ones, heh

ircmaxell

Anyone having issues with approving edits? It keeps telling me "You must have edit rights to approve edits" or something like that...

Justin 'jjnguy' Nelson

12:42 AM

@ircmaxell That's because the edit has already been approved

@ircmaxell It's a bug. I'm sure someone will post the link to meta soon

ircmaxell

ahhh, Yay for proper error messages

Yi Jiang

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Q: Bad error message when approving approved edits

Occasionally, on approving a suggested-edit to a post, I receive an error message that indicates that I do not have the privileges to do so: An error occurred when trying to approve You must have edit rights to approve a pending edit On refreshing the page, I find that the suggested ed...

ircmaxell

fair enough

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Programmers Town Hall Chat has been digested:

in Programmers Town Hall Chat on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 44 secs ago, by Josh

I have created a digest version of this chat, which contains only the questions and answers, sorted for easy reading, should it be helpful to anyone.

@The me in here or @Josh me in there with corrections

ircmaxell

nice

Justin 'jjnguy' Nelson

12:45 AM

I'm gonna take off. Gonna stop feeling sorry for myself and go rock climbing.

C ya

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@JustinjjnguyNelson have fun!!!

ircmaxell

take it easy

Justin 'jjnguy' Nelson

Thanks, cya.

Moshe

@Zypher @TheRenamedException - Bad news...

ircmaxell

/me needs to figure out another badge to go for next. The two I was gunning for in the past week I got today (well, yesterday)

Moshe

12:47 AM

I had to pull my binary from the queue.

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@Moshe OH NO!!!

Moshe

I realized that I had a minimum version of 4.2, which is a bad idea.

And I broke 300 questions today...

But, on the bright side, I am resubmitting it now.

I hope I didn't do anything too terribly stupid.

Michael Mrozek

@Josh Here's my attempt at a meta template for doing digests

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@RebeccaChernoff I messed up and posted the wrong digest link, you have a flag on Programmers./SE chat :-)

@MichaelMrozek reading now

Yi Jiang

@badp @RebeccaChernoff @TimStone I've pushed the reputation audit helper to the github repo

Trufa

12:49 AM

@ircmaxell which ones are you close to

??

ircmaxell

@Trufa: I'm not sure. 41 from bronze in security....

a ways from electorate, but working on it (I have enough votes, but not dense enough on question +1s...

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@MichaelMrozek I like that

Trufa

@ircmaxell well that could be nice

interesting topic

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it's clean and easy to read. But, will votes affect it? I guess people will vote for the best questions

I kinda like that idea also actually!

Michael Mrozek

@TheRenamedException Yeah, that's exactly why I didn't break it down by user (although I think that view would certainly be useful, possibly more so than by question)

Trufa

12:51 AM

@ircmaxell I've asked a couple of (seemingly interesting questions) on security

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@TimStone @Moshe and @RebeccaChernoff, what do you guys think of @MichaelMrozek's digest idea? (Above and below)

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A: Formatting Sandbox

(Draft of a potential template for election THC digests. I tried different ways of saying who posted the answer: A bare name, a name linked to the nomination page, a name linked to their profile, a flair image, and a link to the transcript entry of that person's answer to the question. I think a ...

ircmaxell

working on Epic as well...and casually working on Sportsmanship and generalist

Yi Jiang

@ircmaxell How many times have you hit the cap so far? ;)

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I think your formatting @MichaelMrozek combined with @YiJiang's javascript idea could be a huge improvement

ircmaxell

@YiJiang: Quite a bit. Should be at least half way to Epic, if not work...

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12:57 AM

In honor of this great idea I have change dmy Gravatar @MichaelMrozek.

Everyone should now reload chat! :-D

Trufa

@YiJiang wanted to congratulate you for the wheel of blame (which I saw today)

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@Trufa thanks for the reminder...

Trufa

@YiJiang man, you come up with some crazy but cool things

@YiJiang ohh yes it was @TheRenamedException that pointed me to it (thanks to you too)

Yi Jiang

@Trufa Not my idea, actually

ircmaxell

which wob?

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12:59 AM

@Trufa no, I mean, you reminded me I was going to give the WoB a URL...

@ircmaxell there are wheels plural?

Yi Jiang

@TheRenamedException Well, there's also the WoM...

ircmaxell

The one I know of is from Ivo's kitten

Yi Jiang

@ircmaxell jsfiddle.net/yijiang/AYPpF/24/embedded/result

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Trufa

@ircmaxell jsfiddle.net/yijiang/AYPpF/24/embedded/result

ircmaxell

nice

very nice

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1:00 AM

@YiJiang stand by...

or in Moshespeak: wait for it...

Yi Jiang

There's also: jsfiddle.net/yijiang/pJaCJ/4/embedded/result

ircmaxell

I got It's The SO Dev Team's fault! twice in a row so far. Do we need a better random function?

Yi Jiang

@ircmaxell Nope, it's really their fault most of the time ;)

Trufa

@YiJiang very nice too haha lol

Yi Jiang

But seriously, you can look at the source code

Trufa

1:02 AM

@YiJiang hehe

ircmaxell

lol

Michael Mrozek

@TheRenamedException What was the JS idea?

Yi Jiang

Math.floor(Math.random() * li.length * 2) + li.length * 2

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25 mins ago, by Yi Jiang

I can create a GM script that would allow you to pull out chat messages and format them with a template, would that work?

ircmaxell

why *2?

Trufa

1:03 AM

I will have too sleep eventually (random - thinking out loud though)

Michael Mrozek

@TheRenamedException Ah, yes, that would save quite a bit of work

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@MichaelMrozek sorry meant GM

Yi Jiang

@ircmaxell The list is cloned 4 times to give it enough spin length

ircmaxell

ahhh

makes sense then

Trufa

@TheRenamedException how do you quote like that!

?

Yi Jiang

1:03 AM

The second li.length * 2 is there to make sure that it spins through at least 2 list lengths

ircmaxell

yeah...

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@Trufa paste just the URL

works for questions also

so for:

1 min ago, by Trufa

@TheRenamedException how do you quote like that!

Trufa

2 mins ago, by The Renamed Exception

@MichaelMrozek sorry meant GM

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send: http://chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/491090#491090

@Trufa there you go

Trufa

@TheRenamedException thank you!!

@TheRenamedException and now that we are at it

on more question

is there a quick way to reply

the same way you put @ and choose name

Michael Mrozek

1:07 AM

There is if you install.... The Script

Trufa

?

Yi Jiang

@Trufa You can click on the reply button on the right

Michael Mrozek

@YiJiang I think that's probably the not-quick way

Yi Jiang

rchern.github.com/StackExchangeScripts

Michael Petrotta

@Michael: !! What is the first rule of The Script?!?

Yi Jiang

1:07 AM

@MichaelMrozek Well yes, but I'm not really sure what's his definition of quick here

Trufa

@YiJiang yes, I know, the non mouse way!

ircmaxell

there is no script?

Trufa

:)

Yi Jiang

@Trufa Look at the link to the script I've posted up there

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Okay!

@RebeccaChernoff I have a present for you!

blame.josh.gitlin.name

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AHAHAHAHA!

> It's rchern's fault! Oy!

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SWEET COSMIC JUSTICE!!!

dances

Trufa

1:10 AM

@YiJiang checking it out, really cool!!!

thanks!!!!!

2 mins ago, by Trufa

@YiJiang checking it out, really cool!!!

Moshe

@RebeccaChernoff @YiJiang - At the above link, (rchern.github.com/StackExchangeScripts) where is my blog post on installing in Safari?

Yi Jiang

@Moshe Sorry, I forgot about adding that - I will now

Moshe

@YiJiang np. Want the link?

Yi Jiang

Can you repost a link? Should I copy your instructions or just add a link to your blog?

Moshe

For consistency, it's best to post there. (But I'd love the linkback)You can do both, I'll grab the link in a second.

mosheberman.com/wordpress/?p=284

It's a random number post ID, I have not learned to use "slug" links yet...

gtg bbiab

Benny

1:20 AM

Hello All what are you lot talking about?

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@Benny nonsense as usual :-)

How goes @Benny?

Benny

@TheRenamedException what are you talking about

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@Benny ...do you mean what are we talking about in this room? Or what does my message mean?

Tim Stone

Alright...Kinect is pretty cool.

Benny

@TheRenamedException both

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1:24 AM

@Benny my message was asking how you are

In this room we talk about a lot of things, most of them are nonsense :-)

Benny

@TheRenamedException Good tahnks

Yi Jiang

@Moshe Updated

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@TimStone do tell

Tim Stone

I dunno, I was even amused by being able to move through menus by tossing them to the side, heh.

Benny

I have a question

What is your fav site behind SO?

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1:28 AM

@Benny favorite to use? Meta :-)

Followed by StackOverflow

Favorite design? Apple

Trufa

any mods around here?? (or with enough power to make a post community wiki which I think is the same thing)

Benny

@TheRenamedException I mean anything besides SE sites

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@Benny oh, you said "behind", I was unclear as to what you meant

@Benny ...wait, there exists sites other than StackExchange sites? LIES!

;-)

Chris Jester-Young

@TheRenamedException You can't call it Apple any more, you have to call it Ask Different now. :-P

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@ChrisJesterYoung better still!

Trufa

1:32 AM

:(

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I am in favor of domain names

I gave someone the address cooking.stackexchange.com once and she looked at me like I had three heads

Chris Jester-Young

Thankfully you can give seasonedadvice.com too.

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Now I can

I couldn't then :-)

Benny

Any one with a good domain for Code Review when it leaves beta?

Yi Jiang

@Benny Meh, sites don't get domain names when they leave beta anymore

Chris Jester-Young

1:34 AM

@Benny Shallow Bugs. :-P

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@ChrisJesterYoung haha

Chris Jester-Young

@YiJiang They still do, but it's not the main site domain.

Yi Jiang

@ChrisJesterYoung Fat Ass Codes

Michael Petrotta

informal.reviews.implementation.softwareengineering.stackexchange.co.us

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@Benny needsMoarJquery.com

Trufa

1:35 AM

very mature of you all!!

:)

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@Trufa don't forget you're in the Tavern... ;-)

Tim Stone

I'll be drunk and disorderly if I want to!

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Chris Jester-Young

@TheRenamedException Don't forget everything is logged for your boss to read!

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@ChrisJesterYoung what you team up with @TimStone now too? ;-)

Trufa

@TimPost I will flag you for moderator attention!!! ;P

Tim Stone

1:36 AM

We email his boss daily digests, don't worry.

Trufa

hehe

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@ChrisJesterYoung I'm no longer "Josh" on here for a reason XD

Chris Jester-Young

:491194 Hehlol.

@TheRenamedException You assume that your boss hasn't found your original SO profile yet. :-P

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@Trufa by the way, that's Tim Stone. Tim Post is a moderator ;-)

Yi Jiang

@TheRenamedException Not yet, no

Tim Stone

1:38 AM

Tim Post's name coming before mine in the autocomplete is the best thing that could have happened. People accidentally throw insults his way, and he can ban them before they realize their mistake and come after me.

Trufa

@TheRenamedException my point exactly! (it was a Joke hehe) ;)

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@ChrisJesterYoung Wouldn't be too hard :-)

Michael Petrotta

Oh cool, another set of names to confuse. Hi, @Tim, and hi @Tim.

Tim Stone

waves

Chris Jester-Young

@TheRenamedException Nothing on the Internet is private, really.

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1:39 AM

@Trufa oh, sorry, I is not smart sometimes, durrr

@ChrisJesterYoung my view exactly

Michael Petrotta

My plan to elect Michael Mrozek as a mod, and thereby make him too busy for the chat, so I don't get his notifications, has evidently failed.

Trufa

@TheRenamedException thats why we are here (joke too) ;)

Benny

Did any run to be a mod on any site here?

Chris Jester-Young

@Benny I nominated myself for SO moderatorship, but didn't pass the primary.

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@ChrisJesterYoung why didn't you tell me you were from Durham earlier, I would have campaigned for you! :-)

...like my campaign for @MichaelMrozek did any good, haha...

Benny

1:42 AM

@Chris How many votes did you get?

Chris Jester-Young

@TheRenamedException @TimPost supported my nomination too. That wasn't enough either.

@Benny High two figures.

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@ChrisJesterYoung clearly that was a facade to get elected himself ;-)

Chris Jester-Young

@TheRenamedException Hahahahaha. I'd vote for him anyway, he's a #stackoverflow semi-regular, and I always support anybody in #stackoverflow who runs for moderatorship.

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@ChrisJesterYoung what is this #stackoverflow you speak of??

THERE IS ONLY ONE TRUE CHAT!

:-)

Benny

@TheRenamedException what server is #stackoverflow on?

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1:45 AM

@Benny IDK. I only chat here

Chris Jester-Young

@Benny Freenode.

@TheRenamedException It's my home channel, don't dis it!

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If you want to use IRC to chat with stackoverflow people...

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Q: IRC access for the chat?

Will there be any way of accessing the chat over IRC? As beautiful ajax interfaces are ... IRC is still #1 for chats.

discussion chat irc

:-D

Benny

Go to chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/rooms/346 if you want to complain about rep recalcs

Chris Jester-Young

@TheRenamedException Greg Hewgill (author of SOIRC) is a #stackoverflow regular too.

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@ChrisJesterYoung this doesn't surprise me :-)

Actually that reminds me

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Q: Offer an XMPP method for chat

This is a request for the SO chat system to have an XMPP interface. The whole idea of a chat system is to bring people together, and a key way of doing that is to allow people to access the system using more than one method. Right now there's a web interface, but it's limited to being a web inte...