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Quill

12:15 AM

weird plaintext clone of SE | column80.com/api.v2.php?a=meta

fi12

.....

Quill

oh hi @fi12

user315433

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Q: Column 80 - Plain Text optimised Stack Exchange

Screenshot / Code Snippet About Browsing the existing Stack Exchange family of websites was OK in a text-based browser, but when you're stuck in a Linux shell with no way out and no other computers around and you just know you saw the answer on Server Fault last week, this is how you can fi...

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user315433

@Sally Thanks. I had forgotten about this. Ironically for years I did comply with the license but I had to make some changes a few years ago and I suspect I undid the attribution requirements. The source code for this site is, honestly, probably lost. I will see if I can dig it up to make it compliant. — Mark Henderson Feb 18 at 11:08

Quill

Huh, I've even upvoted that before

hichris123

12:23 AM

lol

bjb568

12:35 AM

DevDoodle is now running on Node 6.

hichris123

'cause we all know 4 comes after 0.12...

bjb568

iojs

merge

big things happen

hichris123

So arithmetic went out the window in the excitement.

bjb568

whatevs, now I get ES2015!

SmokeDetector

1:28 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] Mostly non-Latin answer: Is this the correct sentence pattern? by user173029 on english.stackexchange.com …

bjb568

1:40 AM

Am I an old kat now that I think emojis are useless and distracting in this article? medium.com/@devlucky/…

Quill

the only time I feel the need for emojis is when I'm speaking to someone who doesn't understand subtlety

Ixrec

most emojis are totally pointless, nothing "old kat" about that opinion

the main thing I use smileys like =) for is when I say something that, without the tone of voice you'd hear irl, could be taken in either a positive or negative light, and appending a smiley is the most concise way to make it obvious I mean the positive thing without being as pedantically self-explanatory as I am right now

hichris123

@Ixrec But @bjb568 is a fairly young cat so...

bjb568

@Ixrec You're a great person :(

Andrew T.

1:56 AM

Morni

bjb568

ng

user315433

2:34 AM

So, should reputation minimum for Meta be kept at 2 indefinitely? I don't think we are losing much because of it.

user202362

wanna C # of new members before and after the 2 reps becomes in place.

user202362

especially those who eventually gained more than 10 reps

Andrew T.

3:03 AM

@Meta somewhat I support, also for Drupal.

On second thought, not on minor sites...

Is there any info about ratio of posted spam:valid post per site? Overall, or within specific time period?

Or perhaps, deleted posts:staying

user315433

One can get the latter by comparing Posts and PostsWithDeleted. But will not be informative, because most deletions are not spam related.

Quill

4:24 AM

Accept but no upvote; I'm glad my answer was helpful enough =(

user202362

8:28 AM

4 hours ...

Andrew T.

Surprisingly quiet, not even Smokey.

user202362

I guess that not many spammers got to the 2nd rep

Quill

Smokey hasn't posted in 2 hours over in Charcoal

Quill

8:47 AM

Interesting thought experiment: if every per-site meta gave double the rep of mainsite for every action

Andrew T.

10:06 AM

Well, today is Labor Day in many countries, might explain the real holiday in "usual" holiday.

Quill

10:24 AM

Planned for when? Can we get a date? What is the plan? This answer doesn't really seem to address the question so much as wave it off, if I'm honest. — Lightness Races in Orbit 9 hours ago

Could also just move the comment privilege to like 50,000 points — Shog9 ♦ Apr 28 at 3:36

Andrew T.

Huh, I got logged off from SE suddenly.

user202362

it happens from time to time

user202362

also comment trolling is not punished, one can comment troll anything to ones heart's content, unless suspended beforehand

Andrew T.

10:39 AM

Hmm.. there's no comment-ban...

user202362

nope

user202362

also trolling the chats is an accepted behaviour

user202362

11:17 AM

Once upon a time, I used to play this online game. And once a year or so there would be some kind of tournament, there would be 80+ people turning up to watch some popular matches in a tournament. Since most of the people know most of the other people who turned up to watch those tournaments, they were fairly talkative during those matches. The chat was filled up with 2-3 comments per second, it's literally impossible to chat.

Andrew T.

@Telkitty Did you mean: Twitch

PhMgBr

-1 because I disagree with this Alon. I may also suck by some standards. — PhMgBr 13 secs ago

user202362

12:21 PM

@AndrewT. not twitch, it's a game that was built by the same person who built skype & kazaa

user202362

or at least he was involved in building skype & kazaa

user202362

talking about productive programmers

Jason C

12:38 PM

Vlad the Inhaler

tchrist

2:07 PM

S.L. Barth

2:46 PM

tchrist

@S.L.Barth Childe Roland, is that you?

S.L. Barth

@tchrist Am I or am I not? That is the question... :-)

S.L. Barth

3:10 PM

...although I doubt Childe Roland ended up in the realms of the Maya...

user315433

How to recover a Facebook account made for a deceased cat by Peter David Carter on webapps.stackexchange.com

user315433

Web Apps users have the weirdest problems.

S.L. Barth

@Meta We get the occassional weirdness at Security.SE as well.

Meanwhile I'm wondering if that WebApps question can be salvaged.

IIRC Facebook does allow fan pages for nonexistent entities. Like, characters from fiction.

user315433

Yes, you can create a page for your teapot. But FB wants an entity with government Id behind an account.

user315433

And in this case, the account is of value since it has followers.

S.L. Barth

3:17 PM

The account's been locked out and they say they will only reactivate it if I provide Government issued ID for Laylith. — Peter David Carter 41 secs ago

user315433

@Quill Suspiciously, the comments under that post (of which there are 36 by now) are not archived.

user315433

Fictional FB accounts (as opposed to pages) violate FB ToS, so one can't expect them to be helpful with unlocking.

S.L. Barth

I see. Still, it doesn't make a lot of sense. What's so bad about people having fun with a fictional account?

It makes people active on FB, which is what I thought they wanted.

....thinking about it, living pets do have some documents around them. Like bills from the vet.

They can be chipped for identification.

user315433

The quality of activity is also important... Facebook differentiated itself from Myspace etc from the beginning with their real-name policy. Not always enforceable, but...

user315433

I don't have a real FB account, but I do have a fake one (so, violating TOS) so I can manage a page.

S.L. Barth

3:29 PM

So... the real names policy was meant to get better content...

gets scary thoughts for improving Stack Overflow

user315433

Yeah. This idea is occasionally brought up on MathOverflow meta.

S.L. Barth

....and subsequently downvoted into oblivion?

user315433

26

Q: Anonymity Policy

In view of recent events, we've been reconsidering having some policy against anonymous users. We've always encouraged users to use real names though we have been tolerant of pseudonymous and anonymous users. As an internal moderation policy, we've always had less tolerance toward anonymous users...

discussion moderation

user315433

No, it was brought up by mod team, and temporarily enforced in some way.

user315433

They dropped it quickly enough, though.

wythagoras

3:33 PM

35

Q: On the role of anonymity in a site dedicated to research-level mathematics

My questions is whether there is a good reason to allow anonymous users in a site dedicated to research-level mathematics. In theory, most users of this site are professional mathematicians and graduate students. In practice, I'm not so sure. The amount of ill-posed questions, homework problems, ...

discussion

I didn't mean to link to the answer.

bjb568

Large segments of the population in the US are heavily oppressed and denied basic human rights such as privacy, freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, and due process. washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2016/04/22/…

user315433

Solution: don't use school network.

S.L. Barth

@Meta, @wythagoras: thanks for the links. Some interesting thoughts in there.

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PhMgBr

Thanks @ShadowWizard I removed the unnecessary "introduction" - I wrote it because I thought my idea was original. Wish I could work on SE, I'd be drunk with success and popularity! :( — Alon Eitan 3 hours ago

Does this mean @Shog is drunk with success and popularity?

S.L. Barth

3:47 PM

If notoriousness counts as popularity, then perhaps. Notorious in the sense that "The Mighty Shog" may call you to order if you misbehave.

But I doubt Shog is drunk with that. That would make him unfit for the role.

PhMgBr

@S.L.Barth I believe he usually calls people to disorder

hichris123

Hmm, I thought there was a reference on how often chat profiles are synchronized, but I can't find it...

S.L. Barth

@PhMgBr I'd expect our chemist to know that disorder never needs to be enforced. :-P

user315433

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A: How long does it take for chat profiles to update?

Chat profiles sync once an hour. A moderator can trigger a refresh, but generally, just wait a bit.

S.L. Barth

IIRC winterbash hats on chat refreshed faster.

hichris123

3:51 PM

Well, there's one... more specifically though, I was remembering that chat takes longer to sync chat users which haven't visited recently.

PhMgBr

Enforces disorder

bjb568

Wowee craigslist.org/about/best/chi/950990913.html

S.L. Barth

PSA: don't break the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics when @PhMgBr is around.

user315433

Unless not breaking it would contradict the 1st law.

S.L. Barth

@Meta Congratulations. You have just invented Asimovian Thermodynamics.

user315433

3:55 PM

@S.L.Barth Not me, it's from Fire From Moonlight, what-if xkcd.

user315433

One of the best what-ifs recently. On that note, @xkcdBot should report new What If, they are so infrequent nowadays. :(

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hichris123

4:16 PM

Blogged: using the Windows Subsystem for Linux to simplify CUDA builds: http://blog.marcgravell.com/2016/05/using-windows-subsystem-for-linux-to.html (it works for other dev tools too!)

Tweeted by marcgravell on May 1, 2016 at 3:30 PM

Wait, maybe this means I can use CUDA with tensorflow on Windows. :D

Andrew T.

Last time, I was wondering how is it possible to max out vote (Vox populi).

Now, when trying to feed roomba on a somewhat-minor site, I wished I had more votes...

Shog9

new business plan: bottle bathtub gin, sell under the label "success and popularity"

bjb568

4:41 PM

@Shog9 Meyer Wolfsheim would like to have a talk with you…

user315433

4:54 PM

@AndrewT. Do it between 0 UTC and 3 UTC, you get the votes back at 3.

user315433

If those are closed questions.

user315433

But I guess on Android most of the detritus is in unclosed, unanswerable 0-score questions

Quill

5:26 PM

reading over chat flags makes the conversations seem so petty

user315433

I have long stopped clicking the flag indicator in chat. There is probably some simple CSS rule to hide them, but I'd have to wait until the indicator appears to find it.

hichris123

It's kinda hilarious to look at the weird things that get flagged.

Quill

I leave the chatrooms open pretty much nonstop so I can see the weird shit that gets flagged

somebody flagged something similar to a math troll in one of the math rooms

hichris123

Now mods have a list of recently flagged messages so it's even easier to grab a bowl of popcorn and laugh.

Shadow Wizard

@Quill how a math troll looks like?

Quill

5:41 PM

in Mathematics on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, yesterday, by Balarka Sen

@Kari No problem. I'm just using the intuition on $\Bbb R^n$, with the plain vanilla norm $\|(x_1, \cdots, x_n)\| = \sqrt{x_1^2 + \cdots + x_n^2}$.

@hichris123 I use an abridged form of popcorn

I figure it was a troll; it got a flag

bjb568

5:55 PM

bjb568

6:20 PM

reddit.com/r/totallynotrobots/comments/4h7hzg/…

SmokeDetector

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PhMgBr

Astro chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/4865107#4865107

Astro was XKCDbot's owner, right?

user315433

@Quill Yes, using \Bbb instead of \mathbb is a flaggable offense.

user315433

@PhMgBr Yes, and he briefly appeared in the room after my ping to xkcdbot, so...

PhMgBr

In that case

user315433

6:27 PM

Conspiracy theories! 9000 views in 4 days, foul play suspected? by HDunn on meta.gis.stackexchange.com

PhMgBr

@Meta OK this dude needs to get off the keyboard for some while.

user315433

It's over 9000!

user315433

I posted an answer to the meta question.

hichris123

@Meta Interestingly enough... data.stackexchange.com/gis/revision/481586/609874

Quill

I'm not signing up to upvote it ;-; you can just have my psuedoupvote

Quill

6:49 PM

in Mathematics on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, yesterday, by Mambo

It was mathematically offensive, though

user315433

7:16 PM

@Meta A mod reopened the post.

user315433

I am writing an essay and I want a more pollite way of saying "the world is going to shit" by Julia on ell.stackexchange.com

PhMgBr

@Meta Oh, so it's gonna be you posting instead of Smokey in the Tavern?

Quill

Oh the pointless title edit. Those always make me laugh

user315433

I think ELU and ELL have a policy of not having certain words in titles.

Quill

8:53 PM

slow evening in the tavern, it seems

user315433

Quantcast shows an interesting chart of visits to Meta: quantcast.com/meta.stackexchange.com#/trafficCard

user315433

The two spikes before it, December and January, were the licensing brouhaha.

user315433

A solution to slow evenings: send around an inbox notification with a link to the Tavern.

hichris123

Most people wouldn't have enough rep to chat though. :(

bjb568

@Quill I'm adding features to DevDoodle.

I just finished making the huge stylelint rule sheet.

Quill

8:58 PM

oh cool

user315433

And I sent in yet another reference letter to a graduate school... Anyone applying here?

user315433

I mean, I know most of you better than some of the students who ask me for letters.

bjb568

@Meta @Uni?

Which continent?

user315433

Nearly all in the U.S.

bjb568

What's the name of the place?

user315433

9:03 PM

Oh. I didn't mean "here" as destination, but as a reference to this room.

bjb568

Yeah, but what am I applying to?

user315433

Grad schools, I suppose. You know it's possible to skip the undergrad thing completely?

user315433

At least theoretically.

bjb568

You can skip high school too…

Which grad school?

user315433

I don't know, you could do something that really mixes math and CS together.

hichris123

9:07 PM

@Meta That would probably be hard though...

bjb568

@hichris123 Bah, you casual. You haven't even taken BC calc yet.

hichris123

But I know my history. ;)

bjb568

And we all know that history majors always get jobs that pay well.

hichris123

Wait, cats can get jobs? :O

bjb568

Ok, just checked, I can get a PhD in Math at MIT by 19.

Apparently the longest thing is Architecture which is 7 years.

I guess I don't want the Burj Kalifa falling over.

user315433

9:11 PM

Academia.SE: Are Mathematics graduate programs open to admitting a student out of high school with graduate work?

user315433

(Answer: probably not)

bjb568

probably not ≠ no

user315433

A reasonably common thing is to graduate with B.S. early (3 years).

bjb568

Some schools have challenge exams, so I could take a bunch of those and maybe finish undergrad in 1 or 2 years.

SmokeDetector

10:04 PM

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user315433

:4865321 The main reporting activity shifted to Charcoal HQ, so the reports appear here after a delay. These posts were detected.

Alexander O'Mara

@Meta Ah, there's the room I was looking for.

SmokeDetector

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tchrist

10:21 PM