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user202362

12:00 AM

user202362

arctic fox <3

user202362

also gif because I know you all have too much bandwidth :p

KutuluMike

1:53 AM

hrm. I am suspicious that someone has just posted a blatantly illegal image in this question

I edited the image out but it's still in history and stored on imgur... am I worrying over nothing?

Quill

Flag it with a moderator ping and let the mods deal with it

good work on the edit

KutuluMike

already flagged as "abusive" as soon as I saw the photo, before I realized how bad it was.

Quill

don't worry about it being hosted on imgur, imgur doesn't assume responsibility for the images hosted on its service

KutuluMike

both site mods appear to be asleep at the moment :)

k.

Quill

it may be delete voted by site users if you can get enough of them

KutuluMike

1:57 AM

unfortunately M&TV chat isn't particularly active.

but as long as its not going to get anyone on SE in trouble I'll just wait for the mods to get it

Quill

Most countries have a law protecting the provider of the service, the uploader is usually the one who gets in trouble

KutuluMike

i know that's true in the case of e.g. copyright violations and things; this was something I'd never seen before on SE.

people tend to get a bit overzealous about those kinds of images.

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user315433

2:13 AM

Speaking of Ask Different, a random factoid: the most-viewed question on the site is closed as a duplicate: How can I block specific telephone numbers on my iPhone 4?

user315433

It was closed since 2013, but despite this, the target post has about 1% of the views of the duplicate. Not so canonical, it seems.

Jeffrey Bosboom

@404 Did you perhaps mean to post in CHQ?

user315433

I could have, but thought this is a bit chatty for CHQ. And the post from apple is here too...

Jeffrey Bosboom

@404 The dup target doesn't have "phone number" in it (except in the "linked question" sidebar), so naturally "block phone number iphone" won't land on it.

user315433

But this also indicates that most of those who land on the duplicate do not click through to the target. Raising the question of how useful the closure is.

user315433

2:18 AM

For a matching factoid, I looked up the most-viewed question on Android Enthusiasts. It is not closed, but the first line is "Please don't close this question. I've read all the duplicates but it didn't help." :/ How to use PC's internet on android phone through USB cable

Quill

@404 sounds like something someone would type into google

googleable titles help

user315433

Unsurprisingly, the most viewed Code Review question is Simple calculator in Java

Quill

smells like a programming assignment

user315433

3:19 AM

The Twitter/Tweetdeck transition was messy... I used to be logged in to one account on twitter.com and to another on tweetdeck.twitter.com. Not anymore :/

user315433

Is there even such as thing as "Tweetdeck account" anymore?

hichris123

3:32 AM

@404 But for anonymous users there's an automatic redirect...

user315433

@hichris123 Only if there is no answer on the duplicate

hichris123

Oh really?

user315433

@JeffreyBosboom Speaking of duplicates... :)

hichris123

So many rules you have to remember...

Jeffrey Bosboom

@404 Chat websockets are broken for me for some reason and polling seems to have highly-variable response times, so that happens sometimes.

user315433

3:34 AM

I just thought this was a particularly meta- occurrence.

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user315433

@hichris123 But this one makes sense. Hiding potentially valuable answers from most of the internet wouldn't really help.

hichris123

@404 Wouldn't a merge make sense then?

It doesn't help either to separate the good answers.

user315433

The vast majority of duplicates are never merged.

hichris123

well yeah.

But I assume most duplicates don't have an answer.

user315433

3:36 AM

E.g., on Math two questions may be duplicates, but with different notation: maybe one is about y = sin(x^2) while the other is w = sin(v^2). (It's more complicated in practice). merging the answers would created a poorly readable mess.

hichris123

That's true.

user315433

On SO: 58,512 duplicates with no answers, 165,668 duplicates with 1+ answers.

hichris123

How about more recently?

I'm curious with the intro of the dupehammer.

Jeffrey Bosboom

@404 The sum of those two numbers seems too small, given that duplicates don't get roomba'd(?).

user315433

They do if they stay unanswered and someone downvotes. (Or, 365 days later, even without downvotes)

user315433

3:40 AM

Duplicate mark does not cause roomba directly, but the usual rules for unanswered questions apply.

Jeffrey Bosboom

Right, it's just the "abandoned closed" 9-day pruner that skips duplicates. That makes sense. (I'll downvote more, I guess.)

user315433

@hichris123 In the last year, 31,997 with no answers, 40,049 with 1+ answers. Yeah, the hammer helps.

hichris123

0

A: Stock footage - stream

I suggest you read a book, and/or hire some one... http://www.amazon.com/dp/143022925X/ http://careers.stackoverflow.com/employer

...

@404 Yay. Is that from SEDE?

user315433

@hichris123 must format

hichris123

ah

user315433

3:45 AM

Without formatting [](), the trailing dots in URL are lost.

user315433

Just saw this ad from 2U in the sidebar of SO. This is the company the 404 University is working with on assorted online master's programs... perhaps reaching my department soon.

user315433

> You understand that command and control management style does not work with high-end knowledge workers

user315433

Oh yes, it doesn't. Well, neither does any other style.

bjb568

Night!

Alexis King

> No Asshole policy

this is not a policy

Quill

3:57 AM

@bjb568 night

user315433

4:32 AM

@rossipedia you have some nicely-formatted repositories there. It would be a shame if something… happened to them.

Tweeted by AdamMaras on March 27, 2016 at 3:47 AM in reply to rossipedia

user315433

This reminded me that I don't have 2FA on my GH account. Would it make command line use a lot more complicated?

user315433

6:20 AM

Not a homework question Myers , I actually go fishing when I'm not programming . Thought I'd posted this on s different section lol — Fishing Bob 13 hours ago

user315433

Programming on a boat is dead, long live fishing-as-a-programmer.

Shadow Wizard

8:01 AM

Desparate attempt to wake the @Tavern with some coffee

!!/coffee

SmokeDetector

@ShadowWizard brews coffee for @ShadowWizard

user202362

!!/cake

user202362

no cake still

user202362

#disappointed

user202362

!!/donut

user202362

8:04 AM

no donut

user202362

!!/tea

SmokeDetector

@Telkitty brews a cup of mint tea for @Telkitty

user202362

~~fat horse~~ unicorn needs food, tea just won't do

Shadow Wizard

8:32 AM

@Telkitty well, there used to be cupcakes here - not sure if @Derpy still serves them these days. ;)

user202362

9:16 AM

!!/help

SmokeDetector

@Telkitty I'm SmokeDetector, a bot that detects spam and offensive posts on the network and posts alerts to chat. A command list is available here.

user202362

am I missing something? where is the food menu?

user202362

9:29 AM

@ShadowWizard I feel bad going into a new room just for a cupcake ...

Shadow Wizard

9:59 AM

@Telkitty no worry, @Derpy is a good ~~man~~ pony. Pretty sure that if there are still cupcakes in there, you'll get one. :)

user202362

11:13 AM

The last message was posted 0.1 hour ago

Shadow Wizard

11:24 AM

1 second later...

IͶΔ

1 chat avatar later...

Shadow Wizard

11:36 AM

1 @Bart later...

user202362

what if I do this: @shog9

user202362

@***someone***

user202362

@someone

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Shadow Wizard

@Telkitty then he will get the ping and possibly be irritated.

"leather wet salted cow hides". Wow.

user202362

12:08 PM

but he is irritated all the times anyways?

user202362

an extra person would not make much different if you have already been annoyed 253 times earlier on during the day ...

Shadow Wizard

@Telkitty of course not, it will just make it easier for him to hit the red "BAN THIS USER" button. :D

!!/apiquota

SmokeDetector

@ShadowWizard The current API quota remaining is 6563.

Shadow Wizard

!!/rev

SmokeDetector

@ShadowWizard bf98b4e (hichris1234: Add regex to match ICQ #'s)

Shadow Wizard

12:12 PM

!!/status

SmokeDetector

@ShadowWizard Running since 07:08:57 UTC (303 minutes)

Shadow Wizard

!!/blame

SmokeDetector

@ShadowWizard It's Shadow Wizard's fault.

Shadow Wizard

Of course.

IͶΔ

Yeah, you should've crashed him before he ran this much

Shadow Wizard

12:13 PM

@SmokeDetector fp

SmokeDetector

@ShadowWizard That message is not a report.

user202362

have you heard about random walk?

user202362

IͶΔ

@SmokeDetector Why?

SmokeDetector

@IͶΔ That's not a report.

Shadow Wizard

12:14 PM

Huh! Different wording.

IͶΔ

@SmokeDetector Who?

Shadow Wizard

@Telkitty in the park?

IͶΔ

@Telkitty In a few years time, computers will draw Mona Lisa.

Shadow Wizard

@IͶΔ you mean few years in the past.... io9.gizmodo.com/5106124/… :D

user202362

yes ... when CM bans someone before taking a walk in the park, it would probably be very random, the person banned is statistically insignificantly correlated to the last person annoyed the CM

IͶΔ

12:17 PM

@ShadowWizard Oh, so we're in the revolution-humanz-must-die stage.

Shadow Wizard

yup

IͶΔ

Looks at the watch

Shadow Wizard

@Telkitty I think Shog will be more irritated by lack of sugar in the tea than banning you. Nothing random or personal of course. :P

user202362

do you think shog can be bribed with chickens?

Shadow Wizard

@Telkitty no. Only pork.

Sep 9 '10 at 3:14, by Shog9

mmm... pork...

user202362

12:20 PM

are you sure?

user202362

Shadow Wizard

@Telkitty no. Donuts too.

Jan 3 '12 at 19:37, by Shog9

mmm... yeasty donuts

user202362

Oo, small hog, I forgot

Shadow Wizard

Shog9 appears to be easily bribed. :D

2

user202362

:D

Shadow Wizard

12:23 PM

:D

IͶΔ

:D

Unikitty Blends People

D:

Shadow Wizard

D:

IͶΔ

D:

Shadow Wizard

@Moo @Moo you miss lots of trains here and in Den. Shame! :D

I call @Moo and @Andrew appears. Suspicious! :D

Andrew T.

12:30 PM

:D:

;_;

'_'

._.

0_0

´・ω・｀

12:33 PM

ಠ_ಠ

♥_♥

|_|

■_■

－＿－

𒐫

user202362

12:36 PM

☯_☯

IͶΔ

⌬_⌬

Shadow Wizard

═_═

IͶΔ

▀̿̿Ĺ̯̿̿▀̿ ̿

2

Shadow Wizard

้้้้้้้้้้_้้้้้้้้้้

IͶΔ

•̀ω•́

Unikitty Blends People

12:42 PM

๏̯͡๏

Shadow Wizard

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Unikitty Blends People

Does anyone smoke?

Shadow Wizard

No.

Unikitty Blends People

(After reading transcript)

Shadow Wizard

Mar 17 at 8:44, by IͶΔ

Smokers gonna smoke.

Unikitty Blends People

12:45 PM

lol

Shadow Wizard

@Uni aren't you underaged for smoking?

checking laws

Unikitty Blends People

I don't

Shadow Wizard

tchrist

Isn't smoking illegal?

Unikitty Blends People

Should be

Shadow Wizard

12:49 PM

Huh!

> Smoking under the age of 18 is an offence in Singapore. - See more at: ecitizen.gov.sg/Topics/Pages/…

calling the cops

Unikitty Blends People

What?

I don't

Bruh

Shadow Wizard

Yeah yeah

tchrist

I think they're raising it to 21 here.

Shadow Wizard

@tchrist wow that's crazy. And totally pointless IMO.

Can raise to 60, will have same effect. lol

tchrist

@ShadowWizard That's just what they said about raising the drinking age to 21, you realize.

Shadow Wizard

12:51 PM

@tchrist and it really helped? In the long term?

tchrist

Well, if you have a medical necessity, you can still smoke at 18.

Unikitty Blends People

If you want, you can chew gum in singapore

Shadow Wizard

Poor @IͶΔ is forever banned from drinking. :/

tchrist

I recommend a drinking age of 16 and a driving age of 21, not the other way around.

IͶΔ

@ShadowWizard He's not regretting it.

Shadow Wizard

12:54 PM

@IͶΔ well, good for you. :D

user202362

medical necessity ... reminds me that it's a medical necessity for alcoholics to drink alcohol

Shadow Wizard

Legal drinking age

The legal drinking age is the age at which a person can consume or purchase alcoholic beverages. These laws cover a wide range of issues and behaviors, addressing when and where alcohol can be consumed. The minimum age alcohol can be legally consumed can be different from the age when it can be purchased in some countries. These laws vary among different countries and many laws have exemptions or special circumstances. Most laws apply only to drinking alcohol in public places, with alcohol consumption in the home being mostly unregulated (an exception being the UK, which has a minimum legal age...

Some interesting things in there, lol

The part about Israel is wrong, though.

Minor under 18 is allowed to drink alcohol only with parent supervision.

If a minor is caught drinking alone, or with friends, there are punishments.

Unikitty Blends People

lol

Oh yeah

I saw pictures of Israel tanks just now

user202362

IͶΔ

@ShadowWizard Good reason we're black.

@Telkitty German is so black it's red. How can those guys drink less than Russians?

Shadow Wizard

1:00 PM

@UnikittyBlendsPeople if only they would have measured the other tanks that I fill in the Den.... :D :D

@IͶΔ cool, you have this?

tchrist

Pretty sure old Byzantium sells plenty of booze.

Shadow Wizard

@tchrist same for Rome...

Ancient Rome and wine

Ancient Rome played a pivotal role in the history of wine. The earliest influences on the viticulture of the Italian peninsula can be traced to ancient Greeks and the Etruscans. The rise of the Roman Empire saw both technological advances in and burgeoning awareness of winemaking, which spread to all parts of the empire. Rome's influence has had a profound effect on the histories of today's major winemaking regions in France, Germany, Italy, Portugal and Spain. The Roman belief that wine was a daily necessity made the drink "democratic" and ubiquitous: wine was available to slaves, peasants, women...

Huh? Animated gif??

tchrist

Byzantium still sells plenty of wine.

SmokeDetector

1:20 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklisted user: Можно ли запустить полноэкранное видео с youtube по нажатию своей кнопки? by фвыаа on ru.stackoverflow.com …

Shadow Wizard

@tchrist this?

sd k

!!/report ru.stackoverflow.com/a/507109

Same spam, hour ago, why Smokey didn't report? @Pro @404 ^

ProgramFOX

not enough activity on ru.SO probably

tchrist

@ShadowWizard That, too.

It’s cultural.

Shadow Wizard

@ProgramFOX but one hour? And it also reported same spam which was posted 45 minutes later: chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/4746160#4746160

ProgramFOX

Hmm... shrug

Shadow Wizard

1:26 PM

(that's how I found the other spam, via profile)

tchrist

I was referring to the new Constantinople.

Shadow Wizard

@ProgramFOX yeah, shrug bugs off Smokey.... :D

ProgramFOX

There could be so many reasons: a restart when it got posted, a missed websocket, just passing through our filters...

I have something better to do than analyzing every piece of spam that Smokey doesn't catch.

IͶΔ

@ProgramFOX Chess?

Shadow Wizard

@ProgramFOX true, but it might mean many spam posts are missed. :/

ProgramFOX

1:28 PM

@IͶΔ That too, but right now I'm selecting components for the desktop that I intend to build next week.

tchrist

Shadow Wizard

@tchrist well, I guess those who aren't religious will find ways to drink even with laws and everything.

tchrist

^^^^ When life gives you spam, make sushi.

@ShadowWizard No, there are those who feel that it is not against the Quran.

But drinking and drunking differ.

ProgramFOX

@ShadowWizard Well, you can always ping me if there is a new domain to be added. But screaming for help just because "it didn't catch a port" isn't helpful because it could have many reasons.

Shadow Wizard

@tchrist of course, each can translate the old texts in a very different way, in any religion.

IͶΔ

1:30 PM

@tchrist Wow. Never seen so much misunderstanding something.

Shadow Wizard

@ProgramFOX OK, hint taken. Won't ping you anymore for Smokey possible bugs.

tchrist

@IͶΔ I could probably help you with that. :)

IͶΔ

Islam prohibited alcohol explicitly, but it doesn't mean people that call themselves "Muslim" don't drink alcohol.

Most of stuff in that article is excuses.

For drinking.

tchrist

Mohammed didn't drink?

IͶΔ

He didn't.

ProgramFOX

1:33 PM

@ShadowWizard I'm not saying that you shouldn't ping me for Smokey bugs anymore. What I'm saying is that not reporting a post isn't a reason to panic. A missed websocket is an impossible thing to debug because it's not going to happen again in a short timespan. The only thing I can do in a case like this, is adding a new domain.

Which I'm going to do for that latest spam post.

hichris123

3:25 PM

@rene How is this a recommendation question?

SmokeDetector

7:16 PM

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rene

7:37 PM

@hichris123 I dunno, checking ..

Or is there any other way of installing python-crfsuite? made me think it was asking for an installation guide ... but maybe it needs an edit to make it less unclear ...

Let me see if I can fix that

rene

7:56 PM

@hichris123 edited, discussed it a bit in the SOCVR room and voted to re-open, the close reason was not correct unsure if it is a great question, but hey, it is Easter!

user315433

8:18 PM

@Magisch we do. You'll very likely see me object and fight against this like Gordon Ramsay would object to rotten fish in the coming weeks. I'm at the point where I'm running out of the ability to be civil now. It makes me that angry. We're not a commodity to be sold, we're f**king people and I will fully use my position to advocate that. F**king rubbish is what it is. — Tim Post ♦ 37 mins ago

user315433

Tim sounds angry.

rene

Yes

My comment about gravatar on the question got 17 upvotes

IͶΔ

@rene ᕙ(⇀‸↼‶)ᕗ

Make that 18

rene

I assume there is an MSE post somewhere that asks to get rid of Gravatar?

Shouldn't there be a pro-active action to protect the users from that possible route to obtain an email?

IͶΔ

129

Q: Is Gravatar a privacy risk?

I ran across the comment below at http://onemansblog.com/2007/02/02/protect-your-privacy-delete-internet-usage-tracks/#comment-58200 about Gravatar. I'm particularly curious of Meta Stack Overflow's opinions on points 4 and 6, though the others may be of interest too. Are these concerns real, and...

141

Q: Can we use non-gravatar avatars?

Alternative to Gravatar has been rolled out. It would be nice to have the option to just upload an avatar rather than have to use some external service like gravatar. While gravatar may be convenient and useful, it's also a serious privacy concern because the operators of gravatar have basicall...

feature-request status-completed gravatar privacy

meta.stackexchange.com/questions/21117/… O_O

rene

8:45 PM

Yeah, I found those, but they only give the use the option to use something else. It is not automagically replaced

Not sure if that is possible but then we know that.

@TimPost I don't mean to add more anger and frustration and I really appreciate how you take action when you notice PII is leaked into a log table but I don't hear you address the possible gravatar route at a larger scale. If we assume the worst case scenario, shouldn't you consider all accounts that have a gravatar profile image now being compromised and with that use your powers to inform the users but also slam the door shut on that Gravatar route? — rene 4 mins ago

hichris123

@rene Ok, yeah, I don't think it's a great question, but I'm not sure it should be closed.

@rene Gravatars are salted.

11

A: Unexpectedly changing identicon

Since recently we are salting creation of hashes for generating identicons for users that do not have a gravatar account. This is because there were some concerns that the gravatar identicon urls leak email addresses. This is the default for new users, and for existing users a salt is added as s...

rene

9:01 PM

@hichris123 Ok, so the problem is solved then?

@hichris123 but if I choose to use my own gravatar identicon I'm still at risk, right?

hichris123

You mean if you were to create a gravatar account and use that identicon?

I guess...

rene

OK, so my point is not completely void ...

@hichris123 question is open now

hichris123

:)

user315433

9:55 PM

I'm hungry and there is nothing to eat around here... The combination of places being closed for Easter and the rest being besieged by undergrads prepping for BB game...

user315433

!!/brownie

user315433

Even Smokey isn't helping.

hichris123

10:10 PM

@404 I'm sure it's going to be a wonderful game for you all. ;)

user315433

Seriously. The best option for food was Dunkin Donuts.

hichris123

You could've gone to a cough Tavern.

user315433

They have 50% off donuts after 3pm with a purchase of >= medium drink.

user315433

So I figure I paid less for medium + donuts than I would for small + donuts. Arbitrage opportunity can't be missed.

user315433

Of course, coffee + donuts after 6pm is probably not what the doctor would have ordered.

hichris123

10:13 PM

There's always cooking you know...

user315433

Not in my office, though.

hichris123

Bring a stove in.

I'm sure that wouldn't draw any complaints...

user315433

There is a microwave and I think I have some ramen packets left.... checks ... yay!

hichris123

Why are you working on a Sunday anyway?

(or at least it would be better to be at home & working...)

user315433

Reports. A 4 page report on a difficult meeting on Friday. There are documents I can access only on local network.

user315433

10:16 PM

And the usual Monday prep, of course.

hichris123

So procrastination. :P

user315433

10:31 PM

@hichris123 I'm sure that when you're in college, you will have all Monday homework done by the end of Friday.

user315433

Hi @quid you're not here often.

user315433

Do you worry that someone might be able to reverse-engineer your email from your gravatar?

quid

@404 Hi! No, because it is another server, so I need to come here specifically.

user315433

Yes, the chat trifurcation is a nuisance. I am mostly in chat.SE myself.

user315433

I wonder if Math will have a mod election this year, with Arthur being away and Michael not really active either.

quid

10:38 PM

Yes, me too.

(to both)

user315433

It's mostly Daniel carrying the load now. Such a lucky find for the site.

quid

I hope Arthur comes back. Yes Daniel is great.

user315433

I recall that somewhere in chat (can't find it now), Daniel told a story of how he ended up on Math: was answering an SO question that the OP deleted in the process, and reposted on Math. He followed and stuck around... to 129K rep and moderatorship.

user315433

Math still gets new, strong, users, it seems. Though a few gave up and seemingly left.

user315433

Mar 22 at 23:25, by Shog9

> Some turnover may be necessary to allow new members to join.
Online communities are not technically limited to a finite size, but people tend not to join once the membership or communication levels are perceived to be too high. Groups that are isolated from outside perspectives can develop biases and insular thinking that leave them susceptible to overconfidence about the group’s ability to collaborate effectively. Thus, some turnover might be necessary to create an influx of unique contributors with new ideas, skills, and information.

quid

10:47 PM

That's interesting the bit about Daniel.

Also existing users can grow over time. They start as an undergrad and time passes on and there they are a postdoc.

hichris123

11:23 PM

@404 I uh... have most of my Monday homework done...

@404 Was that a question for me or quid?

quid

I missed whatever was asked.

Sorry I am dump. I saw the preceeding deleted comment. For the email, not particularly (I used a dedicated email for SE).

user315433

11:42 PM

@hichris123 More importantly, why are my messages deleted? I suspect DeletionWatcher.

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