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@Moshe Zimbra, the web mail suite, allows you to drag and drop a file on your web browser and it gets uploaded and attached to the web email you're composing.

drachenstern

@Moshe bad idea, I am not in on this

Moshe

@drachenstern - Safari or chrome

drachenstern

@Moshe pick one

Moshe

12:11 AM

@Josh - Try Gmail.

Rebecca Chernoff

@drachenstern Err, I never thought about a difference. Isn't it just recovery?

Josh

@Moshe it does that too?

how?

drachenstern

@RebeccaChernoff no. There are options for software or hardware chips. The hardware is serious recovery and costs a bit more, the software is just something that can be uninstalled in safe mode

Moshe

@Josh - Fairly certain, I think it does though, at least through labs.

Josh

YEY! I CAN HAS STARS AGAIN!

drachenstern

12:12 AM

casual recovery is fine if you're thinking the neighbors kid might lift it to play games and surf porn

Josh

goes to find Pekka's message...

drachenstern

serious recovery is like if you must get it back

Moshe

@drachenstern - Chrome on Mac.

Rebecca Chernoff

Oh. Hrm. I guess I haven't looked into it much. My friend mentioned it did something with bios.

drachenstern

Just pointing out there are different types of recovery software

Moshe

12:12 AM

@RebeccaChernoff - How would that work for Mac? Mac uses EFI.

drachenstern

Then that product is probably in the "serious" category

Josh

@RebeccaChernoff It calls home when it's used

drachenstern

those usually sniff out the network and send home when they can

Josh

@Moshe That's what my friend did (the mac version) :-)

drachenstern

@Moshe it's a chip

Moshe

12:13 AM

Ah.

@Josh Cool.

fires up apache

Rebecca Chernoff

absolute.com/en/lojackforlaptops/home.aspx

@Moshe I don't associate with people that use macs. q:

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Josh

@RebeccaChernoff I have flagged this as offens- no, wait, I'd rather not associate with you anyway!

Moshe

Whoa, my stars have returned!

drachenstern

@RebeccaChernoff just remember that software can be uninstalled. That's all

Josh

EVERYONE STOP STARRING THAT!

2

drachenstern

12:15 AM

@Moshe imagine that

Moshe

!!!!

Josh

you people are crazy

drachenstern

ya know it's a daily thing right? and the servers just ticked over to "00:00" about 15 minutes ago

Rebecca Chernoff

So, if I start saying oy now, I can get y'all to use up stars?

2

Oy.

Oy!

(;

Moshe

@RebeccaChernoff Oy Noy You Doynt!

3

drachenstern

12:16 AM

@Moshe cute

Josh

@RebeccaChernoff I just spit the water I was drinking because I burst out laughing. You owe me a new keyboard ;-)

drachenstern

what's some basic javascript that proves javascript works?

Moshe

@drachenstern - alert('Is this enough proof?');

Josh

I dune typed too slow

drachenstern

good call

loading this file into my browser tab via drag and drop ... I'm on Chrome 8ish so if anyone wants to repro on another browser?

<html><head><title>I loaded</title></head><body><script type="javascript">alert('javascript works!');</script></body></html>

Also FX3.6ish

Moshe

12:18 AM

Right, but how do I check that jQuery is properly set up?

drachenstern

that should've worked, right? it should've run the javascript?

or did I put in a bad block there?

Tim Stone

Properly set up?

Moshe

right, looks like it should

Chrome is ignore my JS too...

Perhaps use text/javascript?

drachenstern

@Moshe $(document).ready( function() { alert('works'); });

Shog9

if ( window.$ != window.jQuery ) { alert("you heathen!"); }

Josh

12:19 AM

@drachenstern a return after the <script> ?

Moshe

Does not run via Dn'D

drachenstern

@Moshe I horked something, hang on

Moshe

Ok

Sheesh, so much work for a javascript call, I feel uneducated.

drachenstern

<html><head><title>I loaded</title></head><body><script type="text/javascript" language="javascript">alert('javascript works!');</script></body></html>

<-- my script block header was wrong slightly

Josh

@Moshe I should have caught that

<SCRIPT LANGUAGE= is deprecated

drachenstern

12:22 AM

I still declare it

Josh

@drachenstern it will specifically not validate in HTML 4.01 strict right?

drachenstern

It might not, I don't know for sure on strict

Tim Stone

@Josh They only dropped it in HTML5

Josh

Ah OK, Thanks @Tim

drachenstern

I would rather overinform the browser than let something slip by and not work

Moshe

12:23 AM

What's wrong with this?

drachenstern

be selective only in your inputs, right?

Moshe

oh, missing comma

drachenstern

$(document).ready(function(){
alert(" ");
$.ajax({
type: "POST",
url: "http://192.168.1.1",
data: " nothing here "
success: function(msg){
$('#replyDiv').html('<p>Success' + msg + '</p>');
},
error: function(XMLHttpRequest, textStatus, errorThrown){
$('#replyDiv').html('<p>Error: ' + errorThrown + '</p>');
}
});

});

so much easier to read in fixed font ya know

Josh

@Moshe I was just typing that

@Moshe Do you use an IDE? ;-)

Moshe

Ah, @Josh - No.

Josh

12:24 AM

Chat is not your IDE... :-D

Moshe

What IDE do you recommend?

drachenstern

Why are you using XHRs manually? You don't need those ...

Josh

NetBeans

drachenstern

@Moshe Notepad++ if you're just looking for something ultra basic

Moshe

@Josh - For Javascript?

drachenstern

12:24 AM

I used gedit for years in college

Moshe

I'm not on PC @drachenstern

Josh

@Moshe Yup. And PHP

Moshe

Cool

drachenstern

@Moshe ok, then what are you on?

Moshe

I'll look into it.

Josh

12:25 AM

or Coda, but it doesn't syntax check JavaScript

drachenstern

OSX?

blech

Moshe

@drachenstern - Yes

@drachenstern - Yea, I am.

Josh

@drachenstern you're blech!

Moshe

flags "blech" as offensive (Just kidding.)

Josh

@Moshe netbeans.org/features/php

Moshe

12:26 AM

Cool!

Tim Stone

I almost had a full list of games won on WwF, but now Jin is going to finish me off :P

drachenstern

damnit, one little UI change and I have to update like 30 scripts and add idk how many lines of code ... I feel dirty atm ... like I've put too much code in for this :(

@TimStone have you beat me yet? (inevitable I realize)

Moshe

@drachenstern what should I use instead?

Tim Stone

There's still tiles left, but uh...you may not be thrilled when you open the game.

Rebecca Chernoff

Anybody ever done a GiveCamp weekend?

Tim Stone

12:28 AM

@RebeccaChernoff I wasn't aware that that existed, that's actually really cool. So no, but I might have to give it a shot if there's anything around this area.

Moshe

@TimStone Ditto.

drachenstern

@Moshe idk, I forget the syntax for the errors on those, if it's the first thing thrown then there's not much to do but assign it a variable, but using underlying components in a framework makes me also feel dirty

Rebecca Chernoff

there's a philly one this weekend so sayeth the site

givecamp.org

I'm doing the St. Louis one this weekend. Have never done it before.

drachenstern

@TimStone I saw the FORGAVE so I tried to give you a "good play" word :p

Josh

This isn't really a serverfault question is it?

serverfault.com/questions/222300/…

ONEBOX DAMNIT!

Moshe

12:30 AM

@drachenstern Just copied straight from the jQuery site.

Josh

Onebox FAIL

Moshe

Why would my ajax request fail?

drachenstern

@Moshe for like about a jillion reasons

Josh

@Moshe a whole host of reasons. Bad URL. Missing net connection. User navigating away from page. Server under load...

bad code...

Moshe

192.168.1.1/index.cgi

Well, I'm trying to "ping" my router here.

192.168.1.1/index.cgi

drachenstern

12:31 AM

@Moshe hey how'd you know where my server was?

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Moshe

@drachenstern jQuery tells all.

Welcome new user JJC

Yes. welcome.

Greetings @JJC

waits in anticipation to see if @JJC responds ... with bated breath even

Tim Stone

12:35 AM

@RebeccaChernoff Hm, so there is..

Rebecca Chernoff

DO IT

Josh

I need to stop chatting and doing other things at once

drachenstern

@Josh yes I realized what I had done there ... why'd you remove that, I didn't read it yet

Josh

@TimStone Watch out

Tim Stone

@RebeccaChernoff I'm not sure if I can on such short notice, hrm. :/

Josh

12:36 AM

@TimStone You're giving away your location!

drachenstern

how the hell did I get a "Nice Answer" for that!!! (e.se)

also, thanks for the accept

Josh

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"Anxious" itself seems better. A state of anxiety often suggests a mind racing with the scenarios of possible outcomes. The phrase, "with bated breath" also comes to mind, as it combines the act of waiting with a feeling of anxiousness, though it does not suggest any sort of planning for conting...

drachenstern

@Josh bah, we've known he was in philly area

Josh

@drachenstern You're welcome, thanks for the answer :-)

drachenstern

ahhhh

Rebecca Chernoff

12:37 AM

@TimStone ):

3

Moshe

...wait for it...

Josh

@drachenstern I owe you one for the webcam issue, I just haven't had a chance to test yet, LOL

Moshe

drachenstern

I'm still surprised I've got more than 103 on E.SE

@Josh lol, lemme know when you do

I wanna make sure I was right :S

@Moshe I think it's time to give up and move on

Josh

@Moshe You're going to scare him off!!!

Moshe

12:38 AM

@drachenstern Give up on Jimmy or JJC?

drachenstern

I don't see @JJC saying anything to us today ... either that or typing in the big white box and hitting enter is nonintuitive

Josh

@Moshe BOTH

drachenstern

BOTH

Moshe

Hey, maybe they are one and the same.

drachenstern

for the love of all things that are holy ...

Josh

12:38 AM

@drachenstern AHAHAHA

Tim Stone

@Josh Hah, not really. Now, where the hell is Malvern..

Moshe

Jimmy Wales is on StackOverflow, we just don't know it yet - ... ... .... and neither does he.

Tim Stone

@RebeccaChernoff I wonder how often they'd do them, I really don't do charity stuff as much as I should these days..

Josh

@RebeccaChernoff this GiveCamp.org sounds neat!

It's too bad there's none near me

In fact, I'm surprised since this is such a high tech area

Rebecca Chernoff

The StL one is an annual event I believe.

Tim Stone

12:42 AM

Ah, the Philly one just started last summer, in June.

Rebecca Chernoff

I see y'all didn't learn from running out of stars "yesterday"

Moshe

I can't get the jQuery working.

@RebeccaChernoff Yester-what?

Josh

@Moshe the jquery?!?!?!?

You were going to try and DOS your router using javascript???

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Moshe

@Josh - I tried writing a jQuery AJAX request, but it keeps returning an undefined error.

@Josh - Why not?

Josh

I think you'll need something a lot more powerful

drachenstern

12:44 AM

I thought you said you don't have physical access to the thing

Moshe

@drachenstern - I don't

Josh

Like, C++ :-)

drachenstern

@Josh but ... but ... but ... it's jQuery

@Moshe is it in a locked room and sealed?

Moshe

I used a website to find the external IP.

drachenstern

if it's the router between you and the internet, how do you not have access?

Moshe

12:45 AM

@drachenstern - not accessible physically.

Tim Stone

@drachenstern It's OK, it's not heresy because the limitation lies in the browser refusing to open that many connections at once.

drachenstern

is this for a company?

Josh

@drachenstern They took my The NeedsMoarJquery Exception name away. In protest I am boycotting jQuery!

drachenstern

lol

Moshe

@Josh - idea!

drachenstern

12:46 AM

@Moshe write something in C#/Java??? Wow!

Moshe

opens Xcode

@drachenstern - C# in Xcode?

Try Objective-C.

drachenstern

@TimStone the computer won't open that many outbound at once will it? I seem to recall that being an XP limitation as well

Josh

@Moshe Try exploiting a buffer overflow

Tim Stone

I'm still confused how someone got access due to lack of software security, but the router is inaccessible due to physical security.

Josh

@drachenstern sysctl :-D

drachenstern

12:46 AM

@Moshe like 50% of SO write C# daily :p

Moshe

@Josh - I'm not going to lie - what is that?

Tim Stone

@drachenstern I don't know enough to say.

drachenstern

@TimStone exactly. It's a business, yes? So someone has a key. Unlock the EFFING door and RESET the EFFING router.

it's not THAT hard @Moshe

@TimStone we need an expert

@Zypher HELLOOOOOO

let's see if he answers

or we could see if there were any competent SF users here ...

Tim Stone

If not, I'll just put on my expert hat.

Moshe

I'm out folks.

Josh

12:48 AM

@Moshe it's the terminal command for controlling ceratin system settings, especially network settings. Like the max number of open network connections

@Moshe Later, and good luck

drachenstern

@Moshe seriously, go open the door

it's a door

Josh

ROFLOL

@drachenstern $('#door').open() ?

drachenstern

I could understand if this was the alternateverse and walternate had his goons after you and the thing was stuck in resin, but seriously ... #Fringe #UnnecessaryHashtags #InappropriateHashtags

Moshe

@Josh $('#Josh').ROFLOL() ?

drachenstern

@Josh lol

Josh

12:49 AM

Damn I went into the SF room to see if anyone had close votes, and the converstion in there is so slow and serious!

Tim Stone

bookmarks GiveCamp so he doesn't miss the next one

drachenstern

Oy. Angry Birds, the board game: http://j.mp/hILTC4 (via @NiemanLab @brainpicker)

Tweeted by Alyssa_Milano on January 14, 2011 at 12:07 AM

wait, did something happen with the astrology system recently? I've seen like 15 comments that would lead me to believe so, but the whole system is so entrenched in history that I can't imagine it would've

Moshe

@Josh - Ya think ASIHTTPRequest is good enough?

Josh

@Moshe sorry idk what that is

Moshe

An HTTP wrapper, for iOS works on Mac too.

drachenstern

12:56 AM

embedded-bits.co.uk/2011/1-second-linux-boot-to-qt

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