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So, in addition to your for-profit products you create additional not-for-profit code to give back to the community

@balpha Right. More like donating to a charity, and as a side effect of doing good, you get publicity.

except, different :-)

@balpha Open core is more like SugarCRM. (Right?)

@balpha - What's open core?

sugarcrm.com/crm

Or Zimbra

Q: What is "Open Core" software?

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What does the term "Open Core" software mean?

open-source

balpha

@Moshe there are religious wars about the exact definition, but the idea is that you make the core system open source (hence the name), and you charge for plugins, additional functionality etc.

8:31 PM

@Moshe If I understand correctly, it's like, "here, this core of my software is open source. But for all these extra features, pay me"

Ah, I see.

Go run to Programmers.SE and get some rep!

is reminded of the alleged voting ring ... nah, couldn't be...

Wait, so that reminds me of Mac OS X.

It's based on FreeBSD, but everything else is pricey.

Is that correct?

What's the big argument against open core, anyway?

@TimStone blogs.computerworlduk.com/simon-says/2010/06/…

@Moshe Not exactly... I suppose you could say so because there was Darwin Open SOurce...

But OS X is proprietary, there's no open source version of it

Think of it this way: If the core of OS X were open but you had to pay for iTunes, iPhoto, Mail, Safari, Smart Finder Folders, AppleScript, Printing Support, SAMBA sharing, etc... That would be closer to Open Core (IMO)

Q: IE shadow rendering bug and jQuery

ok

That makes sense.

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I'm using jQuery to "fade in" a certain part of my site. In IE8 the box fades in, but during the fade, the shadow is solid black. After the fade, the image is rendered normally. Is this a known issue? How can I fix it?

jquery web png transparency

^^^ jQuery! ^^^

@Josh Yeah, but I don't necessarily get it.

8:37 PM

@TimStone nor do I

Just the messenger :-)

Ah :P

I don't necessarily agree, but here's what I think could be part of the problem:

> It's a bait-and-switch, wrapping the same old lock-in in the flag of open source and hoping you won't notice.

Which of course doesn't make any sense, heh.

That's true whenever you use any software, period.

@TimStone - Why?

I think it does.

If you stop using it, you very rarely can transition to something new just like that.

8:39 PM

@TimStone agreed

@TimStone Please explain, I don't get that last statement.

They're saying that you're being locked into a particular product.

@Moshe I have all my data in MySQL. I can't just poof switch to PostgreSQL. This had nothing to do with the license of MySQL...

But I can't imagine any corporation on the planet switching any sort of system they use, even one they made themselves, over to something new overnight.

@TimStone Who's they?

8:40 PM

@Moshe Critics of Open Core

The person who wrote the sentence you quoted.

@Josh Yes and no, because if they were both were open source, they'd be more compatible with each other and then the transition would be smoother.

@TimStone Ah, I understand now.

In a sense you are being locked into a product, but they are no better.

You are locked into something if you've paid for it by virtue of the fact that you'll have wasted money otherwise.

You always pay money though.

@Moshe They are both open source :-)

If you want to implement an open source project in-house, you have to pay your own developers.

8:43 PM

@TimStone True, but I am a developer.

Actually they're both open core

(right @TimStone?)

Alright, enough chatting. It's time to work on jQuery induced bugs.

@Josh Hm, I think that they're both open source.

@TimStone OK. I wasn't sure if MySQL "Enterprise" was really just support or if it was an improved product as well

I know that there are companies that provide enterprise level support for both, but I'm not sure what they offer on top of the software itself.

@Josh Oh right...I might be wrong.

I think there are some enterprise-specific features.

8:45 PM

IDK, we use the comunity edition :-)

Q: What's the difference between $(stuff) and `stuff`?

theyeshivaworld.com/news/General+News/80867/…

Tshepang

I see my question is currently considered the hottest on SE

stackexchange.com/questions/custom

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Running top -p $(pidof init) and top -p `pidof init` gives the same output. Are these two ways of doing one thing, or are there differences?

command-line shell

and to think I was only going to ask it as comment here

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Q: How to select specific processes with 'top'?

In case of one program having multiple instances, running pidof program gives: `1 2 3` top -p accepts comma-delimited arguments: 1, 2, 3. This means that top -p `pidof program` won't work: top: unknown argument '1' usage: top -hv | -bcisSH -d delay -n iterations [-u user | -U user] -p p...

shell text-processing top

@Tshepang +1. I like your unix.SE questions :-)

Tshepang

@Josh thanks, that's the 1st such complement i've received yet

Hey @Zypher, how are you?

Zypher

8:52 PM

oh just fine @Josh getting the motivation up to turn on the routing equipment in my office

Fosco

That is an excellent question... great answer by Wag, too...

Zypher

it's loud

haha

Anyone know about this:

(redacted)

The routers are humming to you @Zypher

8:53 PM

(redacted)

Zypher

they are ... i need the poowwaaah

Tshepang

@Fosco thanks

@Moshe ? It allows PNG alpha transparency to be rendered in older IEs.