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12:00 AM

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Michael Mrozek

@BilltheLizard If by "homework" you mean "dealing with @MichaelMrozek's mod flags at once"

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Bill the Lizard

@TimStone Obviously you don't follow me on Twitter. It is very much my cup of tea. :)

Michael Myers

@BilltheLizard That's why you go to the teachers' lounge instead of here. :)

Lance Roberts

Anyone else had to deal with Microsoft's VB6 Killbits update, and the damage it causes?

radp

12:00 AM

@TimStone chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/87 chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/176/… chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/181/…

Tim Stone

@Moshe So I added this /flag command to the chat userscript a while back..

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

@TimStone LOL

Moshe

@TimStone - Yes? ... and?

Tim Stone

@BilltheLizard Ah, Twitter is a bit much even for me. ;)

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

@TimStone Twitter is a bit something for me, but I'm not sure "much" is the right word...

Tim Stone

12:01 AM

@radp Indeed

Right, right.

Bill the Lizard

@MichaelMrozek I had planned on clearing the queue then hitting the books, but you can see I got sucked in here.

Tim Stone

The solution is eBooks, and multiple screens.

Michael Myers

And no Tavern.

Moshe

The solution is always multiple screens - and jQuery.

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

@Moshe The solution is always jQuery

Tim Stone

12:03 AM

@MichaelMyers This is a blasphemous statement.

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

$('#StackOverflow').closeQueue().chat()

Moshe

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException - Well, I broked da jQeery today.

Bill the Lizard

I thought the solution was always to benchmark before you micro-optimize.

Michael Myers

See, I've been trying to leave for the last 15 minutes but I haven't managed to do it.

Moshe

:-)

Michael Myers

12:04 AM

And I need to be at the airport in something like an hour and a half.

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

@MichaelMyers I've been trying to leave for the past 4 months and haven't been able to :-)

Tim Stone

@MichaelMyers In that case, you best hurry up and get out of here. :P

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException Don't make us call your boss!

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Moshe

Can we make a userscript to close the tavern?

Michael Myers

(For pickup, not for flying)

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

@TimStone Point taken. :-D

Tim Stone

12:05 AM

Promptness is arguably just as important in that case.

Ah, it would be nice if my eyes stopped feeling so swollen so that I could focus on this code..

Bill the Lizard

He made it out.

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Moshe

Great app: mindnode.com

So... Quiet...

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

@Moshe I am trying to work because @Tim threatened me ;-)

Moshe

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException Get out of here! @JoshsSocks!

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

Oh, don't do that...

Really. You don't want him in here now @Moshe ;-)

Nor does anyone else I'm sure!

Moshe

12:11 AM

Angry Birds is on the Mac App Store, I wonder how that works? But is it worth $5.99?

Michael Mrozek

@Moshe I wouldn't play it for free; I don't get the appeal of that game at all

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

@Moshe Is the Mac App Store for 10.6 only?

Bill the Lizard

It runs painfully slowly on my Android.

Moshe

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException - Yes, if you update to 10.6.6

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException You have 10.5?

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

@Moshe Yes, 10.5.8

Moshe

12:13 AM

@MichaelMrozek - Well it's a puzzle game.

Michael Mrozek

@Moshe This is the game where you fling the birds at a structure, isn't it?

Moshe

@MichaelMrozek - Yes.

The structure is what makes it a puzzle

Michael Mrozek

I wouldn't classify that as a puzzle game

Moshe

The structure is made of various elements and the birds damage various wall types.

Michael Mrozek

Oh; I guess it's more complicated than I thought

Moshe

12:14 AM

So the puzzle is figuring out how to attack the walls, ie, which part to destroy first etc.

imho, at least.

@BilltheLizard - which Android do you have? (just curious)

Bill the Lizard

I need to watch a demo to see if mine is running at the right rate.

Hero.

Moshe

Ah.

I'm an iOS dev so I may be biased, but...

based on my experience, the Android phones are a bit slow and unresponsive.

Bill the Lizard

Is it normal for the birds to take 5-6 seconds to reach the target?

Moshe

But I think the WinMo is the best, WinMo7 anyways.

@BilltheLizard - Is it animating the trajectory?

Bill the Lizard

Yes. That seems to run really slow. Other games on the phone are a lot more responsive.

Moshe

12:18 AM

It could be the game, not sure. It runs slow on a friend of mines Android also.

Bill the Lizard

It also has ads downloading during gameplay, which could be slowing it down.

Moshe

not sure which one, but it was running eclair.

could be.

gtg

Bill the Lizard

yeah, me too. Later everyone.

radp

nite

Moshe

nite

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

12:21 AM

Later @radp, @Moshe and @BilltheLizard!

Moshe

Back.

@The I think I'm slowly getting the hang of git.

Yay!

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

Good job @Moshe

Once you do, you'll love it and use it for everything

I mean I don't know git, but I know subversion, and I seriously miss it whenever I don't have it!

Moshe

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException already do, only using it for things that don't require a private repo!

Are there any places that offer free private repos?

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

You could use subversion for things which do require a private repo

Moshe

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException I assume that SVN is similar to git, yes?

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

12:35 AM

You could host it yourself, or, just use it locally

Moshe

And then how does the "collaboration" part work though?

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

@Moshe I've never used git, but I they're the same basic concept

BRB

Moshe

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(When you come back) Why not just save my files locally instead of hosting a svn or git service?

Tim Stone

Offsite copy, easier collaboration.

Moshe

@TimStone - I'm not sure I understood that answer.

Please explain

Tim Stone

12:38 AM

Github is not your house, so if your computer explodes, your code exists elsewhere, and Github is set up for people to be able to fork and push and pull from it with ease, so if you work with multiple people the ability to manage the repository is much simpler.

Moshe

@TimStone Right, I got that, but @TheNeedsMoarJqueryException was saying that I should use a local copy of git or svn for free private repos.

In other words, he was telling me to host my own Git or SVN for private repos.

Tim Stone

Oh.

In that case, revision tracking.

Much easier to see when changes were made, or to undo things that go wrong.

Moshe

Ah, ok.

Fair enough.

So I need to learn how to do those things through the Terminal.

Thanks, @TimStone

Tim Stone

Depends on what you're coding in, I guess. But yeah, it's a good idea. And no problem.

George Marian

1:03 AM

@Moshe Git rocks. Go with git.

drachenstern

Since I left for lunch (and came back and worked and didn't open the tavern), you folks have burnt through 810 messages. Were any of them worth looking at?

I thought @radp might appreciate the view count on that

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

@TimStone That's what I was saying, @Moshe

drachenstern

@Moshe check in often and don't be ashamed of it

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

Sorry, had to talk to my boss for a bit there @Moshe :-)

@drachenstern Were you here when I got kicked out? :-)

drachenstern

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException don't believe I was

George Marian

1:07 AM

@drachenstern Yup. The more check-ins (within reason) the better.

drachenstern

note to self: don't pour a soda and type at the same time ...

Tim Stone

@GeorgeMarian Yeah, otherwise you get into....situations.

Dan Grossman

Interesting comment on the decline of StackOverflow: news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2077729

drachenstern

I do, however, have a request of the room. Can anybody explain this guy to me? He's confusing the shit out of me. "an array but not an array"

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Q: Any way for a class to prevent outside code from declaring variables of its type?

Is it possible for a class of exposing a type for function returns, without allowing users of that class to create variables of that type? A couple usage scenarios: A Fluent interface on a large class; a statement like "foo=bar.WithX(5).WithY(9).WithZ(19);" would be inefficient if it had to cr...

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

@DanGrossman I fundamentally disagree with the opening sentence:

> I would like to try puzzling out why SO has gradually become less useful over time.

SO has become more useful over time. At least to me, anyway. I don't see his argument at all

Dan Grossman

1:10 AM

It's not an academic paper, it's a comment. Don't ignore it all just because you don't like the first sentence :p

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

LOL, I'm not :-)

Tim Stone

I got annoyed by the use of "karma" :P

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

@TimStone Yeah I'm trying to get past that myself

Dan Grossman

I'm sometimes annoyed by the use of the word "reputation" on SO

Points from speed-answering stupid questions do not really improve my reputation with any real people

drachenstern

@DanGrossman yeah but what do you call it instead, and not make it sound like a game?

Dan Grossman

1:14 AM

Well, it is a game. I like karma, or just points.

Tyler Chacha

Hello

Dan Grossman

Q&A on SO feels like playing on Xbox Live to me

drachenstern

I'm going into hiding on my chat terms (I've got them pinned away) so @me as you want to annoy me, I should see it :p

drachenstern

1:45 AM

wow I shut everybody up that quick? sorry

my slightly dain bramaged sister in law just asked me what model computer she has. I've never owned it. I've seen it in the corner of the room twice. WTF$@)$)%(@$#%)@%*^@%^@)(^%??????

Dan Grossman

lol

drachenstern

at this point I'm just waiting on my mobile to ring

mootinator

RING

drachenstern

surprisingly no

mootinator

:/

George Marian

2:01 AM

@TimStone You wouldn't happen to know anything about these...situations. ;)

drachenstern

Hell, I'm still waiting for help deciphering :436045

I build a library. I give you my library. However, "The issue isn't with creating objects outside the code, but rather with allowing outside code to persist a reference to an object."

wouldn't persisting a reference to an object be what we want as programmers (so long as the object doesn't get destroyed while we're referencing it, thus giving garbage)

mootinator

Sweet

Tim Stone

2:27 AM

@GeorgeMarian Of course not.

mootinator

2:43 AM

I need some juj!

Moshe

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException Um, your socks?

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

2:59 AM

@Moshe I'm telling you @Moshe... You're playing with fire here ;-)

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