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11:00 PM

Oh, fonts, why must you be such a pain in my ass???

Lance Roberts

How can it be that no one has found a good Windows Search yet, and that Microsoft could mess up something so easy so badly?

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@Pekka! Perfect timing!!!

Pekka

@LanceRoberts That is a DAMN good question.

@The :)

Lance Roberts

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Q: Better Windows 7 Search?

I've just installed Windows 7 64-bit and have found that it's file search really really sucks. What is a good alternative that I can load on my system to do file searching? Note: I don't care about text searching in the file. I just want to search by filename.

Pekka

Can't stay for long, though!

Lance Roberts

11:01 PM

No good answer.

Pekka

Work to do....

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I was just banging my head agains the wall about a PHP problem, something I rarely do

Pekka

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException shoot

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Do you ever use imagettftext @Pekka?

Pekka

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException Only if I have to :)

But I have in the past

What's the problem?

@MarcGravell Gravell seems to be a Welsh surname, is that correct?

Seeing as we're discussing your name

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11:02 PM

Pekka

What does imagettftext() do to this poor glyph?

Ah I see

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That particular letter is cut off, but imagettfbbox does not show me why

Pekka

Code?

Michael Myers

@LanceRoberts Can you do me a favor and change that "it's" to "its"?

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If I offest the letter about 15px it works, but according to imagettfbbox the leftmost posiution is (-1,7) not (-15,7)

Pekka

11:04 PM

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException the first thing worth trying would be abandoning imagettf... in favour of imageft....

Needs FreeType installed, though

FreeType 2 would be optimal

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$box = @ImageTTFBBox($size,0,$font_file,$letter);

$height = abs($box[5]-$box[3])+10;
$width = abs($box[2]-$box[0])+10;

$img = imagecreatetruecolor($width,$max_height);

imagealphablending($img,false);
imageantialias($img,true);
imagesavealpha($img,true);

$transparentcolor = @imagecolorallocatealpha($img,254,0,0,127);

imagefilledrectangle($img, 0, 0, $width - 1, $max_height - 1, $transparentcolor);

imagealphablending($img,true);

$color = new CustomizerColor();
$color->_link = Module_DFCustomizer::dbLink();

Rebecca Chernoff

@LanceRoberts I use Agent Ransack. Love it.

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@Pekka awesome, thanks

Pekka

@The no guarantee whether it helps, but it often does

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I would love to drop what I'm using now, so I'll try that and see if it's better

Pekka

11:06 PM

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException What kind of a font is that?

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if it doesn't, I'll be posting a question and will @Pekka you

Pekka

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException yup, ok

Rebecca Chernoff

Ugh, every time today that I think I've shaken this migraine, it comes back. >_<

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@Pekka It's a messed up kind ;-)

Pekka

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException I can see that much :D

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11:06 PM

It's designed to make the letters overlap, like, for monograms

Tim Stone

I thought I was getting less sick, but it was a lie..

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Awww. I hope you guys feel better @RebeccaChernoff and @TimStone

Pekka

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException @The arrrgh, so this might be status-bydesign?

Lance Roberts

@Rebecca, Agent Ransack has a bug in it (at least in Win7-64bit) that recursively duplicates entries. It's actually pretty comical.

Pekka

Some weird offset positioning creating the overlap?

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11:07 PM

@Pekka Except imagettfbbox knows the char's width is 33, so, something's amiss

Rebecca Chernoff

@LanceRoberts, um what? I use it in Win7 64bit and have not seen that.

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@Pekka Exactly, and if I can determine what said offset is, I can reposition by that amount

Pekka

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException yeah, having a negative offset sounds like something that a overlap font would do

Tim Stone

@Pekka I feel like that's the case, that the offset returned has the overlap in mind..

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I hope Image ft will be better, am about to try now!

Lance Roberts

11:08 PM

@Rebecca, If I remember when I get home I'll try and get a screenshot for you.

Pekka

@The I would have a another suggestion but it would require you to drop everything

Imagemagick

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It's on the server, that may be better!

Pekka

Because with IM, you can render the letter and cut the area around it

No need for determining a bounding box

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I use IM for everything else

Pekka

@The try it

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11:09 PM

Wow, ok, that's awesome.

Thanks @Pekka!

Pekka

@The you're welcome.

See here for -trim: imagemagick.org/Usage/crop/#trim

ChrisF

Any SU mods in here?

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Awesome

Pekka

@The Here is a text + trim example: imagemagick.org/Usage/text/#text_trim

ChrisF

Or anyone with moderator access (@RebeccaChernoff?)

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11:11 PM

@Pekka This is great! Perfect timing @Pekka, thanks again :-)

Pekka

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException Yeah! That last link was what I was looking for. Good luck!

Tim Stone

Remind me to ask Marc to make chat ping @RebeccaChernoff every time anyone mentions "mod"

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Unless she has a migraine...

chattr -migrane @RebeccaChernoff

Tim Stone

I think she keeps the chat sound off, so it's OK.

Rebecca Chernoff

@ChrisF, I'm here, though my migraine is gonna force me off the computer here in a minute. What's up?

Shog9

11:13 PM

@LanceRoberts lemme guess: you pointed it at your user directory

ChrisF

Can you check what Open ID this guy has on Super User?

Isaac, Iran

167 6

windows-xp printer virtual tiff windows-7 firefox lock

Shog9

mythicsoft.com/kb/JunctionPoints.ashx

ChrisF

We've got a question on Web Apps that hasn't been associated to his account despite the SU one being associated.

However, speaking as a fellow migraine sufferer, turn the computer off and go and lie down.

radp

@Shog9 oh, links, how do I love thee.

Shog9

*lynx

Rebecca Chernoff

11:17 PM

Same OpenID on both sites. Was it just migrated (I totally tried to type migrained...)? Seems like waiting a day generally resolves the association issues?

ChrisF

Migrated 6 hours ago. I commented mentioning the OpenID thing and to wait 24 hours - just wanted to double check though.

Thanks - now go and lie down in a darkened room.

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Go lie down @Rebecca -- I hope you feel better!

Rebecca Chernoff

Yes, I am going. (: @ChrisF let me know if it doesn't fix itself after 24 hours.

be back later, hopefully sooner rather than later.

ChrisF

Will do

Tim Stone

Feel better

Can someone remind me how I got onto some sort of four hour long tangent from the work I was doing?

radp

11:20 PM

@TimStone /blame @rchern

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@Pekka I know you left, just an FYI, FreeType2 has the same results as FreeType1. So to ImageMagick we go!

@TimStone /blame chat?

Tim Stone

I partially blame that profile bug...

But I'm not sure what happened to the rest of the time.

I don't think I've been chatting any more than usual, so. :P

Pekka

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException all right! If IM has the same problem, try adding a massive border around the image, the same colour as the background, like twice as much as the font's pixel size. Then do a -trim +repage. That should provide enough space for all weird offset cases. I'm off for today, g'night everyone!

Tim Stone

G'night @Pekka

radp

@TimStone Today: 230. Yesterday: 257. Average: 154.

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11:23 PM

@Pekka I think that will work great. Thanks again, night!

Tim Stone

@radp I think Sundays and Mondays skew the average a little ;)

Though my god, 1.5K messages this week? And we haven't even made it to Friday. No wonder three days ago seems like two weeks O_o

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LOL

Bill the Lizard

Hey everybody.

Quick question.

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Hey there @Bill

Bill the Lizard

Did the phrase "Post flagged for removal from /review" originate here in chat, or is it an option in some menu I haven't seen yet?

Tim Stone

11:29 PM

'Ello, and sure.

Lance Roberts

@Shog9 Don't know what I did, just tried to use it.

radp

@BilltheLizard I guess from the "flag post for removal" from the /review pages.

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@BilltheLizard stackoverflow.com/review

Tim Stone

@BilltheLizard Presumably it's the automated message from stackoverflow.com/review

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Awesome new feature

Tim Stone

11:30 PM

...Heh.

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Echo...

Bill the Lizard

Ah, that explains it. Thanks.

radp

@TimStone FRIST!!

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@BilltheLizard Check it out. It's really neat

Tim Stone

More specifically, the low quality posts/late answers tabs, it seems the other two don't have the killswitch.

Shog9

11:32 PM

@LanceRoberts well, a recursive junction point would certainly explain what you saw. Check out the work-around I posted if you run into it again.

Tim Stone

gives @radp a virtual cookie

Bill the Lizard

I only get "show full question" and "delete" links.

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@BilltheLizard I think if you upvote them, they go away?

Tim Stone

Ah, that makes sense. :)

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Can anyone confirm? I was unclear how to remove posts from /review also

Tim Stone

11:33 PM

Well he has mod powah, there's no reason for him to see the flag link :P

Moshe

What's up?

ChrisF

If you're a mod you get a "delete" link on those tabs instead.

Tim Stone

Here's an alternate example

Bill the Lizard

That makes sense.

ChrisF

Though there was a version that had "flag for removal" for mods (unless I stumbled across a bug)

Michael Myers

11:35 PM

I think it just changed.

Lance Roberts

@Shog9 That looks like the problem, I'll try it out, thanks.

Tim Stone

Anyway, if you were inundated with flags, /blame @waffles for forcing us all to go try it out. ;)

Michael Myers

I flagged one post for removal from /review a couple of days ago just to see how it worked.

Bill the Lizard

Yeah, I saw two people use the exact same phrase in what's supposed to be a confidential communication channel and thought I'd better investigate. ;)

Michael Myers

Have you seen any of the Community-flagged ones yet?

radp

11:37 PM

@BilltheLizard That question has 1 or more votes.

Bill the Lizard

But then it kept coming from all sorts of different people and I ruled out sock puppetry.

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@ChrisF What should us non-mods do?

Bill the Lizard

No, not yet.

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Or should we not even use /review at all?

Michael Myers

The Community user flags posts from new users that fail the new heuristics.

ChrisF

11:38 PM

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException use the "flag for removal" link. Mods will see it and then if they agree, delete the post

radp

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException You get a "flag for removal" link

oh well.

hands cookie to @ChrisF

ChrisF

Ta - I'm feeling a little peckish

Tim Stone

@radp Easy come, easy go.

marcog

stackoverflow.com/users/562207/shanmuga-sundhari <- um, wat? 6 questions asking the same thing in 2 days, 5 of 6 closed

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Sorry, I'm not seeing the "Flag for Removal" link

Bill the Lizard

11:41 PM

@marcog Lol, I was just deleting those.

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@Pekka convert -size 1000x1000 xc:white -font upload/fonts/103.ttf -pointsize 72 -annotate +500+500 'M' -trim +repage M.png WORKED!!!! THANK YOU!!!!!!!

ChrisF

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException stackoverflow.com/review/low-quality-posts

or stackoverflow.com/review/late-answers

should have the link under each post

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@ChrisF AHHHHHH

Thanks

I was using just /review :-)

ChrisF

stackoverflow.com/review/first-answers and stackoverflow.com/review/first-questions don't

Bill the Lizard

Man, I'd feel bad about dumping some of these terrible questions on SU.

ChrisF

11:42 PM

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException That defaults to the first-answers page.

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I'm with you now @ChrisF, thanks!

Michael Myers

@BilltheLizard Dump them on Programmers. That's where we throw all the garbage now.

ChrisF

@MichaelMyers Watch it!

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:435846 Thanks again, can you tell I'm doing too many things at once?

Michael Mrozek

The "migrate anywhere" feature needs a "Random" option

ChrisF

11:44 PM

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException I know the feeling

Bill the Lizard

@MichaelMyers So glad we finally got that migration path set up. :)

Michael Myers

Did the mod menu just become huge for anyone else?

Tim Stone

To the Wheel of Migration!

Moshe

Does anyone know how to use git?

Michael Mrozek

@MichaelMyers My mod menu has always been huge. If you know what I mean

Moshe

11:45 PM

Alternatively, Where to git questions go? SO or Programmers?

Michael Mrozek

@Moshe SO

Moshe

@MichaelMrozek Thanks

waffles

How would I integrate git into my business process may belong on programmers

How do I backup my git server may belong on Server Fault

and so on

Michael Myers

@MichaelMrozek No, I don't know what you mean. Would you care to elaborate?

waffles

@MichaelMyers did you see the new awesome "delete" button on /review?

sorry for interrupting your sleep the other day

Moshe

11:47 PM

@waffles - I want to know how to set up an existing repo on my other computer.

Michael Myers

@waffles Nah, I was still up. Just barely.

Michael Mrozek

@waffles It's like "batch delete", only worse :)

@Moshe git clone, probably

Moshe

Suddenly there is more blue here. When did that happen? I'm surrounded. Eek!

@MichaelMrozek - stackoverflow.com/questions/4621223/…

waffles

It is way more awesome @MichaelMrozek ... it animates and gives you satisfaction

the batch delete was a bad idea

I do need to add sound effects though

Michael Myers

@Moshe I blame @BilltheLizard for coming here instead of to the mod room.

waffles

11:49 PM

@Moshe that kind of question probably belongs on SU superuser.com/questions/tagged/git

be sure to read the FAQs ... superuser.com/tags/git/faq

stackoverflow.com/tags/git/faq

In particular

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@MichaelMyers I vote all the mods hang out here instead. It's a more fun place to be!

waffles

485

Q: Git for beginners: The definitive practical guide

Ok, after seeing this post by PJ Hyett, I have decided to skip to the end and go with Git. So what I need is a beginner's practical guide to Git. "Beginner" being defined as someone who knows how to handle their compiler, understands to some level what a Makefile is, and has touched source cont...

git version-control tutorials

Michael Mrozek

Too late, I answered it. ACCEPT, QUICK!

Michael Myers

@waffles We were just discussing /review a bit ago.

chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/297471#297471

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@waffles I <3 /review

Moshe

11:51 PM

@MichaelMrozek - ...wait for it... Minimum wait requirement and all that.

Michael Mrozek

@Moshe I was joking, you can wait for more answers and/or actually try it first :). I just meant accept before it gets closed

Moshe

@MichaelMrozek - It worked.

Michael Mrozek

Those questions generally seem allowed on SO though

Moshe

With all the mods here, can we get that Q protected from closing? :-P

Michael Myers

Is it a duplicate? Don't make Joel mad.

Bill the Lizard

11:54 PM

@MichaelMyers This was the only room listed for me. I thought all the others got migrated to other SE sites.

I'm a chat n00b.

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Why can't I see your Gravatar @BilltheLizard?

Michael Mrozek

status-no-repro

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Ok, nevermind, a second refresh fixed it

status-bad-internet-here

Michael Mrozek

An amusing side effect of the /review calculation is a number of the low-quality meta posts are by mods saying "it's fixed now"

Michael Myers

@BilltheLizard Login on chat.stackexchange.com. It should be at the top of the list.

Moshe

11:55 PM

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException me too

radp

oh Lord, I just pruned my Ars Technica feed of unread items I'm not interested of.

59 to go.

Moshe

Did anyone see the Mac App Store?

Bill the Lizard

@MichaelMyers I'm an SE n00b too. I never go there.

I'm old! I don't like change!

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Stick with chat for a while @Bill. It will grow on you

Just be warned you might get addicted to chat...

Tim Stone

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException Grow on, consume...same diff.

Bill the Lizard

11:57 PM

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException that is exactly why I've been avoiding it.

Michael Myers

@BilltheLizard There's also chat.stackoverflow.com, but I don't know who goes there.

radp

up arrow to edit

Moshe

@radp should be pinned, second time this was mentioned this week.

Michael Mrozek

@MichaelMyers Tossers, that's who

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@BilltheLizard Trust me, chat is addictive

Bill the Lizard

11:59 PM

I do actually like all the new changes to the network, I just can't afford another time sink.

I'm supposed to be doing homework right now, for instance. :)

Tim Stone

To be fair, it's probably only really a time sink if mindless banter is very much your cup of tea.

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wow, only 200 more messages and I pass @balpha...

Moshe

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException - No fair, i only make the second page.

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