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Yi Jiang

@radp Hmmmm?

radp

removes the "omfg new!" red bit from the sidebar and brings its style to the "blog" link instead.

Yi Jiang

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A: home-automation x10 with a linux based nas

i am using CM15 pro also , there is any driver for linux? I dont think so , you better buy a CM11A Fire cracker and use HEYU. NAS as the storage thing? Why use that????

D:

radp

Slightly less offensive.

Yi Jiang

Why would 500+ rep users produce this sort of junk?

radp

10:14 AM

man, I haven't been checking the envelope pages much since the MegaDropdown has been added.

Yi Jiang

@radp 1500+ virtual meta rep! Congrats! :P

radp

@YiJiang 100 of which went in the StackExchange™ CommunistCommunity AwesomeLimiter™

(you'll have noticed my Gaming is slightly more pixelated.)

I don't even know how the site is supposed to look really.

Yi Jiang

@radp I'm not sure why, but the @font-face font isn't loading in Firefox

I can't quite put my hand on where the problem is

That's standard uppercase Arial

radp

/blame @balpha

although it does work on Chromium.

Yi Jiang

Yes, I just checked, which is why it's odd

balpha

10:25 AM

radp

see, that's wrong too. Firefox is rendering that "Firefox!" ad all wrong.

balpha

it's called "art"

radp

let me check Failfox nightly

@balpha wow, that must be a cool CSS3 extension! rendering: artsy; rendering-artsy-type: freehanded;

Yeah, the page loads just fine for me @YiJiang. Maybe it's your cache?

Yi Jiang

@radp You're right, strange. I'm not sure how caching for those font files work, but yes, those headings are pixelated once again

balpha

dances the "blame successfully repelled" dance

radp

10:33 AM

> I think there's something wrong with one of the dwarves in that picture, but I just can't put my finger on it. - Raven Dreamer

Yi Jiang

I don't know why, but whenever someone says repelled nowadays I always think of this:

radp

"interest" as a transitive verb?

sounds like microspeak.

goes inform hisself on the take-away learns

oh, duh. I probably just never seen it used like that.

Benjol

@radp It's sales-speak :)

radp

10:51 AM

@Benjol Shhh, I'm planning the evolution of my corporate identity.

Benjol

er, yeah backs up slowly looking for escape routes

radp

11:10 AM

I got disconnected right after I posted that. I guess it's the universe telling me to stop.

Yi Jiang

@radp No, it's telling you to use a richer black - I can still see the circle there

radp

abandons rebranding plans

Nevermind.

Sathya

12:26 PM

@moshe @TheNeedsMoarJQueryException 'ello :)

Benjol

@Sathya, I think they done gawn.

Sathya

@Benjol yeah, so I figure

it's like .. 6:30 EST ?

hello to you @Benjol

Benjol

12:55 PM

Hi @Sathya, sorry, I was away

Yeah, if you look at the histogram for this room, this is the dead zone. one side of america gone to bed, the other side not up yet. And radp is probably actually working for once :)

dunno about @balpha and @Marc, eating or something :)

Marc Gravell

I'm here

lurking

Yi Jiang

So am I

Tyler Chacha

Really? People are awake?

It is 4:30 in the frickin morning...

Benjol

anyway, this is the GMT+1 afternoon doldrums, welcome all you lurkers. Lurk away, don't mind me (I'm supposed to be working anyway :)

Yi Jiang

@TylerChacha holds up a giant flashing GMT+8 sign :|

Benjol

1:02 PM

Ah, Tyler, getting your makeup on? :)

Sathya

@Benjol well I'm on GMT +5:30

Benjol

Hometime soon then? :)

Sathya

@Benjol well actually I'm on vacation so it's alltime home time through this week :D

Benjol

Sounds good to me!

Sathya

@Benjol resume normal drudgery on Monday

Yi Jiang

1:13 PM

When working in PHP sometimes I wished it had the simplicity of JavaScript's core language features

Benjol

@Sathya, so I'm guessing if you're in here, the weather must be really bad out, right? :)

Tyler Chacha

Oh, the weather outside is frightful

but the fire is soooooo delightful

and if we've no place to go...

let it snow, let it snow, let it snow

Sathya

@Benjol would you consider 30 deg C as "nice" :P

I'm actually waiting for my sis & brother-in-law, will be heading out soon

Yi Jiang

@TylerChacha It is indeed! I mean, the temperature just fell below 25 deg C! In Singapore! How could it be so cold here? Frightening!

Benjol

@Sathya, uh, yes. Compared to 5C and raining. (And that's the hottest it's been in a while!)

Sathya

1:20 PM

@YiJiang 5C. Uh. never seen those temps here o_0

Benjol

temperature perception is a funny thing. Given just a couple of days of sub-zero temperatures, +5 feels sort of 'warm' :)

Sathya

@Benjol a week ago I was in a place where single digit temps were the norm.

stepping out from the aircraft onto the airport was a like a big, bad bucket of heat wave thrown at me =.=

marcog

@Benjol I also find sun + snow => feels warmer than it should be => feels warm

but maybe that's just me

it never snows where i live, so i haven't experienced it much

Yi Jiang

Yay for tropical and sub-tropical folks! (Hi-5!)

Sathya

'm stepping out, catchya all later :)

Benjol

1:24 PM

@marcog, Hot down there right now, I believe?

@Sathya, bye

marcog

@Benjol 35

celcius

Benjol

@marcog, never fear, at this time of day, you can celsius all you like. The farenheight crew are all tucked up in their beds, except for the ones getting ready to be on TV :)

marcog

heh, true

Yi Jiang

@Benjol Ha! @drachenstern ya ready to be on TV? :P

drachenstern

Nah, we just don't dirty up the Internet yet

Give us another hour, well be here

Benjol

1:27 PM

@YiJiang, I was referring to this:

drachenstern

I been playing too much on DBA.se

Benjol

6 hours ago, by Tyler Chacha

There is a News segment being shot at our school and they need a lot of people to be there

Yi Jiang

Tosh, viva la metrics system, saiz the French! We'll cut off the head of anyone still using imperial system.

Popular Demand

@Benjol Hey, I'm a Farenheit-er. (But I'm also smart enough to roughly convert between C and F, so go ahead and use whatever.)

radp

I kinda envy the Fahrenheit system tbh. While it makes no sense at all, it's wider around the areas common humans care about.

Yi Jiang

1:30 PM

@radp Not entirely sure how making no sense at all helps make the system enviable.

radp

here "below zero" means "damn, it's cold!"; "below thirty"... not so much.

Barry

1:45 PM

Does anyone know when and or why the hot tab was renamed to faq? I'm trying to find a link but can't find one.

Tyler Chacha

How is everyone doing this fine morning

Yi Jiang

@TylerChacha Looking at timezones in the Gaming room

Tyler Chacha

I'm sitting drinking free hot chocolate...

drachenstern

debating reading last nights transcripts, nothing looks to be of note as I scan up the page, even tho you guys were a little more chatty than we over the night.

@TimStone it's an easy counter by way of the traffic logs ;) ... filter for that particular HTTP request and you know EVERY visitor :p mwahahahahaha

Why do I keep having an inroom bubble notification? grrr

@Barry where?

Yi Jiang

@drachenstern What, you mean like this?

Tyler Chacha

1:50 PM

I think I'm on Camera right now..

muhuhaha

Barry

@drachenstern On the front page of all the sites. "hot" tab is now "faq"

Yi Jiang

@Barry It's not, erm...?

Barry

@YiJiang face palm I'm looking at "site/questions"

drachenstern

@YiJiang glad we got that straightened out, I was about to start posting screenshots

@YiJiang no when I left and came back

Popular Demand

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Q: Has the hot tab been renamed to faq?

I first saw it on the dba beta. But it seems to be in all sites?

radp

2:09 PM

@PopularDemand Looks like a new item for your changelog.

Popular Demand

@radp I didn't realize it was "my" changelog, but yeah, I guess it should be added.

radp

@PopularDemand Well, the one you do contribute to.

I guess I used "your" plurally.

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

2:22 PM

Good morning, how is everyone today?

Popular Demand

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException Hello, still alive.

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

@PopularDemand Very glad to hear that, the alternative is not good at all!

first few days of 2011 keeping you as busy as they're keeping me @PopularDemand?

Popular Demand

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException Not likely. It'll come eventually, though, I'm sure.

drachenstern

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException I showed up

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

Welcome @drachenstern

drachenstern

2:31 PM

bah, I've been here since before you this morning :p

I need to go find ice for my drink ... and a pastry.

that would be a good thing

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Q: Use a ModalPopupExtender to display a table and then pass the selected record to the form

I have a search screen on my website which has various parameters. It is possible that many records could be returned, yet the user will only want to see the details of one record. In the case where many records are returned I want to display a modal popwindow with a data grid which will display ...

c# asp.net ajax modalpopupextender

was that a bad edit on my part?

George Marian

Bahahahaha.... South African wireless traffic lights pillaged by SIM-card thieves

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

Ok... how can you explain to a user that 'NULL' !== NULL ..?

0

Q: a problem with heredocs syntax?

I have a problem with the syntax for a heredoc. Let me show the code first: function format($user_id,$user_note,$image,$dt){ //this is the problem if($image=='NULL'){ //don't display image } else { echo '<img src="userpics/$image" width="480" height="480"&...

php html image heredoc

Yi Jiang

0

Q: Loose response from the server in AJAX

i have this code that make 3 requests to a server, the code works fine with the request but when i receive the response the code fails, take avoid the first response and give me the third. phone.open("POST", '/', true); phone.setRequestHeader("Content-type", elmnt.getAttribute('ctype')); phone.s...

javascript ajax

drachenstern

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException that a string is not a construct of the compiler?

Yi Jiang

^ lulz

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

2:42 PM

@drachenstern LOL. I think that would go over his head :-p

George Marian

NULL is a keyword, just like: print, echo, if, for. Meanwhile,'NULL' (note the quotes) is a string, just like if you had typed 'if' (note the quotes, again) it would be a string, not the beginning of an if statement.

Hmm...too many ifs in that sentence? That may just serve to confuse 'em further... ;)

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

@GeorgeMarian Thanks, that's a great explanation. You should post it there

oh nvm

he accepted my answer, I hope he understands what his error was, LOL

George Marian

Heh, probably not. lol

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

@drachenstern you were quick to jump on him, he did accept my answer ;-)

he has a 99% accept rate too

drachenstern

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException ya don't get to a 1krep and put "thanks I got it"

that's just DUMB

Moshe

2:48 PM

Good morning.

drachenstern

I still never went for a pastry. Going now. Promise.

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

I got to 3k and I thank people... ;-)

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@drachenstern Enjoy it!

Yi Jiang

@drachenstern Eclairs! Donuts!

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

Yummmmm

Moshe

I had a donut for breakfast.

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

2:49 PM

All I got was a lousy bowl of cold cereal

Moshe

Today is Rosh Chodesh.

@The well, treat yourself, Rosh Chodesh is the first day do the new month. It's worthy of a special breakfast, at least.

Yi Jiang

There's a great radio documentary on BBC World Service about how cereal companies produce cornflakes with ridiculous markup from dirt cheap corns

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

@Moshe This is true! Forgive my poor, failing Jewish knowledge, was Rosh Chodesh today or when is it?

Moshe

@The, it is today indeed

Which means, among other things, that grace after meals is a bit longer.

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

Maybe I'll do a nice dinner instead, since I messed up breakfast already :-)

Moshe

2:52 PM

@The - go for it. :-)

George Marian

Since there are already enough confused programmers out there, I did my part to try to help him. :)

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

@Moshe Oh and Tov Rosh Chodesh bitu!

drachenstern

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException not the way he did it tho ... maybe I'm just an asshole ... that's likely.

Hey Josh aren't you supposed to be working? same as me? (meaning I should be too!)

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

@GeorgeMarian Awesome, good explanation

Moshe

Thank you, @The. U2 (although I'm not sure what bitu means)

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

2:53 PM

@drachenstern He commented on my answer and said I was a genius, so, I'm happy with him :-D

George Marian

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException I didn't spend 2 1/2 years teaching for nothing. :)

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

@drachenstern Oh, right, work, I knew there was something I was supposed to be doing now!

Moshe

Not trying to be nasty or burst your bubble, but it should be "Chodesh Tov" (As in, "Have a good Month")

drachenstern

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException and I retracted my comment. Figured five minutes was enough ;)

Moshe

@drach got your pastry yet? ;-)

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

2:54 PM

@GeorgeMarian I miss teaching. Not that I did it professionally, just as my senior year independent studies CS project and as a TA, and computer classes at the local library

drachenstern

@Moshe yes but no ice

need to do that

George Marian

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException I like teaching, though I like programming more. Someday, i may just tech programming. Maybe once it's time to put me out to pasture.

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

@Moshe Don't worry, I have no Hebrew bubble. Even when I was studying Hebrew I was terrible at it, not having read more than basic prayers in 10 years means I am far, far beyond rusty :-)

Fosco

Hi

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

@GeorgeMarian Awesome. What do you teach, if not programming?

@Fosco Hey there

How goes?

Moshe

2:56 PM

Hi @Fosco

@The Ok, so long as I'm not offending anyone.

George Marian

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException I thought IT stuff. Started with computer basics. "This is a mouse. This a keyboard." Then moved on through much of the curriculum, which was a bit of networking and a bunch of Microsoft stuff.

Moshe

I wonder if it's possible to run a user script by pasting it into the address bar of Safari Mobile? ...

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

I'm not easily offended ;-)

George Marian

I did teach a Linux class, which is kinda scary. lol

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

@GeorgeMarian Cool. I volunteered my time and taught basics like that for a while at a local library

Moshe

2:58 PM

...waits for some troll to insult @The...

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

s/troll/@RebeccaChernoff/

George Marian

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException I should do something like that. I have plenty of time on my hands.

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

I haven't done it recently due to lack of time. Also, SO fills the void a bit

I enjoy helping others on SO, reminds me a lot of teaching

Moshe

@Geo want to make me an app engine app on a volunteer basis? :P

George Marian

@Moshe Google app engine, right?

mootinator

3:01 PM

@drachenstern yes

George Marian

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException That's where my innate teaching skills comes from: helping people figure stuff out.

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

OK, enough fun for this morning. Now time for real work, sadly...

George Marian

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException Have fun storming the castle.

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

haha, thanks

Moshe

@Geo yes

@Geo I need to make a web backed for an app that is intended to run on multiple platforms.

marcog

3:06 PM

What's the correct thing to do when a user solves his own problem, puts it in an edit and leaves? Currently 0 answers and title tagged [SOLVED].

Reference:

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Q: SOLVED: Can't set video mode for SDL screen on embedded device

I've been hacking away on an ARM based device (Freescale i.MX27 ADS) with a built-in screen for the past few days. The device is running a modified, minimal GNU/Linux system, with no window management or graphical server. By default, the device is only supposed to run the one application that cam...

c graphics embedded arm sdl

Moshe

@Geo, I meant back end, not backed

George Marian

@marcog le sigh And the user has over 200 rep...WTF?

marcog

@GeorgeMarian Indeed. :(

He posted a solution in an edit at the end though

Just wondering if that should be re-posted as an answer

Moshe

I was about to suggest that.

George Marian

@Moshe I may be interested. I just started picking up Python. That could be a good exercise. How involved is it?

mootinator

3:09 PM

@marcog Doesn't the UI sort of encourage that?

marcog

@mootinator Encourage what, re-posting?

Moshe

Well, I didnt start python yet. I want to have an app engine app that allows the org to upload text to a db and the app allows people to study the texts daily.

mootinator

@marcog No, if you try to post an answer on your own question, it suggests editing the question instead.

marcog

@mootinator Oh, does it? It's been a while since I posted a question.

mootinator

Yeah, I can't remember what the exact message is...

marcog

3:11 PM

Are you sure you want to answer your own question?

If you're responding to answers left on your question, enter comments under each answer.

If you need to add details to your question, use the edit link under your question.

that's the text

Moshe

@Geo basically, the admin user would need a login ui and the end user needs an API for the app to access

And the admin uploads texts for the user to study daily.

mootinator

@marcog Seems clear enough I guess.

Popular Demand

@marcog Might be worth asking this on MSO proper for when -- not if -- this comes up in the future.

George Marian

@Moshe What kind of time-frame are you looking at for completing this?

Popular Demand

(You know, after your recent question, I keep thinking "Marco Gravell" every time I see your username.)

marcog

3:14 PM

@PopularDemand k, will do

@PopularDemand lol!

Moshe

@Geo, not sure, a few weeks? It's essentially a web service and a back end ui.

George Marian

@Moshe Yeah, it should be pretty straight-forward. Thing is, I haven't done much more than some tutorials in Python so far and I've never messed with Google app engine.

And, right now, my brain is fried, as I haven't gotten any shut eye yet.

marcog

@PopularDemand posted

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Q: What to do when OP answers his/her own question in an edit?

Reference question: SOLVED: Can't set video mode for SDL screen on embedded device Sometimes users solve their own questions, which is great. Sometimes they say they've solved it and move on, which is not so great. The above question is middle-ground: the user posted an answer to his own questio...

@marcog Awesome.

@mootinator huh?

3:26 PM

@drachenstern Yes, I remember the post you found 5 hours ago and have forgotten about already :P

drachenstern

@mootinator well why didn't you say so?

Additionally, it looks like the guys on dba.SE might just know what it is !!

mootinator

Really?

George Marian

Apparently, the cat wants my attention...

He's scratching up the carpet by the door...

mootinator

@drachenstern I was sure it was a horrible hackish report definition of some sort.

drachenstern

nope, hang tight

msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms174187.aspx

Moshe

3:30 PM

@Geo, ok, we can talk later, I gtg now.

drachenstern

I don't know if that's accurate, barely saw the answer and no time to study it

mobilecrunch.com/2011/01/06/…

reckon this is the start of the end of ATT's hold and lock on the iPhone?

Or is it just the further commoditization of the smartphone market?

George Marian

@Moshe Sounds good.

mootinator

@drachenstern Nah.

Yi Jiang

@namespace url(w3.org/1999/xhtml);

@-moz-document domain("blog.stackoverflow.com") {
#wrap {
  width: 920px !important; /* F***ing morons */
}
}

drachenstern

@mootinator I know, but there was an immediate response over no response ;) :p

Yi Jiang

3:34 PM

Sigh... this is a fix for my second bug report

mootinator

:)

Yi Jiang

I mean, why the *!@# would you want to mix px and em units like that? It just doesn't make sense! It's one of the single most stupid piece of CSS I've seen for a very very long time

Damn shame it has to be on the Stack Overflow blog...

George Marian

Do you know about the tables used for layout?

Yi Jiang

@GeorgeMarian Yes. I build userscripts for SO - I know practically all of Stack Overflow's dirty HTML secrets

If you want, I can list them, but then I will get depressed and probably won't talk for the next two hours

George Marian

heh

That bad, eh?

Yi Jiang

3:39 PM

@GeorgeMarian Very. You'll be surprised at how SO do some of it's magic

George Marian

I've been bitten by the chat.se authentication issues. I'm well aware there's plenty of PFM in there. :)

That table thing makes me sad because I'd be ridiculed if I provided a code sample using tables for layout.

Yi Jiang

@GeorgeMarian It's even lower level than that, sigh... take a simple example - the list of recent badges on the homepage is actually a single column table. I've actually wrote a small script that will replace it with a ul list, and nothing changes

George Marian

lol

shakes head slowly

Tim Stone

yawns Damn, look at all those [status-completed] tags, nice job @balpha :D

Barry

@YiJiang I wrote some JS to sort the Badges in to Gold, Silver, bronze because it annoys the hell out of me...

George Marian

3:50 PM

@Barry Not a bad idea.

How interesting. I'm registered with corp-corp.com, which is a contracting site. It's been relatively quiet recently. Or so I thought. I had sent in my resume for a contract, but before I did that I had to make some minro changes to the profile. Now, I'm getting spammed with contracts from all over the country.

However, since I didn't make any material change to the profile, I'm wondering WTF? Why was it so quiet for months?

Tim Stone

Maybe they thought you were inactive and didn't feel like bothering to send you something. :P

Though I'm inclined to suspect some sort of programming mistake, heh.

Yi Jiang

@GeorgeMarian Maybe just a coincidence, or that the start of the year is the hiring season? I don't know...

George Marian

@TimStone Yah. i did receive the occasional email in the past few months. I just figured there was a lull in activity for my skill set on the site. The thing is, lots of the contracts are crap. Lots of the recruiters are low-balling. I've seen the same contract offered by different recruiters at substantially different rates. =/

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