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Dan Grossman

12:01 AM

Tim Stone

Hahah :P

Rebecca Chernoff

@waffles believe me, so do I. So do I. And I'll get there. But I don't use Firefox. But we'll see. I might get bored enough while I'm unemployed to open Firefox. (;

waffles

@rchern ... try out this prism stuff ... its trivial to get started ... and you don't need to install anything ...

Rebecca Chernoff

My thing though is that I'd prefer just one StackExchange Chat icon that has a tab for chat.MSO, a tab for chat.SO, and a tab for chat.SE

waffles

yeah you could do that with a the js/css extensions

make html tabs ...

Rebecca Chernoff

12:08 AM

Yup.

Tim Stone

You people and your single tab per chat :p

Rebecca Chernoff

Absolutely something I'd like to see, and totally willing to work on getting it done, just haven't had time as of yet.

waffles

looking through review.... I love this question so much

-49

Q: How to send 100.000 emails weekly ??

On my blog, I have 100.000 subscribers and I want to send them an update email weekly. How can I do that with PHP ?

Tim Stone

By the time you're done, I can only imagine Marc and balpha's reaction... "What has she done to our poor, innocent chat?!" ;)

Rebecca Chernoff

My response:

> @waffles made me! /blame @waffles

Not that I'd ever throw someone under the bus or anything.

hides

q:

waffles

12:11 AM

I take blame easily ... Jeff trained me well

Dan Grossman

100,000 emails a week isnt that much... $350/month at sendgrid

Tim Stone

@RebeccaChernoff Sure, sure. ;)

Rebecca Chernoff

(;

Tim Stone

> 175 right, 0 wrong, 0 ignored, 0 exceptions

\o/

Rebecca Chernoff

\o/

wahoo

Tim Stone

12:14 AM

Now to complete and verify the updates to the most important part. :P

Rebecca Chernoff

@waffles This tempts me to suggest that the WOB take into account weighting and that you get blame with a factor of 2 compared to everyone else. (;

waffles

WOB must remain fair ... otherwise the world may collapse

Tim Stone

This is true.

Rebecca Chernoff

hehe

Tim Stone

12:32 AM

Hmm, I suppose it's time to start thinking about dinner...what to have, what to have...

Rebecca Chernoff

Hehe. We're having pizza, but the person who went to pick it up hasn't returned.

I may send a search party soon. (;

Tim Stone

Yes, missing food is a serious issue :p

Rebecca Chernoff

Should've been back like 15 minutes ago!

\o/ nom nom time!

Tim Stone

Hooray! Enjoy. And actually, pizza isn't a bad idea...but I'll save myself the step of getting lost by having it delivered. ;)

Dan Grossman

in JavaScript on Stack Overflow Chat, 19 mins ago, by Coding Kitten

> "Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not tried it." - Donald E. Knuth

Yi Jiang

12:40 AM

@waffles Did someone mention a special Christmas version of chat?

radp

yo

cheers from sicily!

Yi Jiang

@radp The tip of the boot, eh?

radp

nice reskin there

Yi Jiang

@radp It's much much better when you see it in person because of all the blinking

radp

no, it's the stone :P

mootinator

12:43 AM

It hurts my eyes.

I like Snowify though.

radp

<3 enough jquery blink

waffles

@YiJiang just hoping you can make my Christmas wish come true meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/73159/…

radp

tell me you snuck a fhc somewhere in there

Yi Jiang

@waffles Looks interesting enough that'll I'll want to take a look

waffles

awesome

radp

12:46 AM

@waffles -1. do html5 notifications instead :)

Yi Jiang

@radp Erm... HTML5 is for websites. When did any part of HTML allow you to do desktop notifications?

Oh, and to allay the fears of @RebeccaChernoff and @TimStone, I think I can bundle THE userscript in there - should be simple enough :P

radp

google it.

wjy would a website need html5 sockets?

or html5 workers

waffles

@radp ... that is pretty cool

Yi Jiang

@radp Hmmm... I'd never know... that is pretty interesting

radp

only things I have seen this in use are a gcal lab, chrome for a cause and ardaxi's twitification extension

Yi Jiang

12:54 AM

@radp We can write a simple userscript so that chat also uses this

The API is simple enough

Yi Jiang

1:24 AM

O_O Apparently Prism can be found in the main Ubuntu repos...

Tim Stone

1:48 AM

Mmm...that was greasy, fattening deliciousness.

Oh no, I lost my consecutive days on UI because I somehow got logged out and never noticed. Tragedy. :P

Hmm, apparently I also lost it on SF the other day. That one is a little more disappointing..

radp

:(

Tim Stone

Still going strong on Gaming!

Which is the only site that matters anyway ;)

Tyler Chacha

2:05 AM

HELLLOOOOO

Yi Jiang

2:22 AM

WOOOOOOOOORRRRLLD!

Tyler Chacha

3:02 AM

I have to begin spelling Hello wrong so that when Rchern goes to search for it, it doesn't show up

Rebecca Chernoff

...

2

@waffles, have you installed a Prism Bundle?

waffles

yerp ... its running this chat window now ...

I did it via the command line

Tim Stone

Magic!

Rebecca Chernoff

I have a bundle for chat with the js, but prism won't actually run it.

Didn't seem to do the .webapp association.

and if i do prism -webapp <path> it just opens the blank gui as if I ran just prism

waffles

yeah ... manually ... run prism -webapp [filename]

ahh ... issue with your ini then

try a simpler one

[Parameters]
id=chat.meta@sam.saffron3
name=Meta Chat
uri=http://chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/
status=yes
location=no
sidebar=no
navigation=no
icon=icon

(my icon is called icon.png)

I think the systray option may play up sometimes

Rebecca Chernoff

3:17 AM

[Parameters]
id=chatmso@rchern
name=ChatMSO
uri=http://chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/
status=yes
location=no
sidebar=no
navigation=no
icon=webapp
include=chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/*
trayicon=yes
iconic=yes

and I've webapp.ico

waffles

try without iconic and trayicon

Rebecca Chernoff

Blech. No. ):

waffles

what about the exact one I used (I cut and pasted it above)

Zypher

oo this is interesting

Tyler Chacha

21 mins ago, by Rebecca Chernoff

...

Jon Seigel

3:29 AM

@waffles: Could you please join me here: chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/rooms/325 ? Thanks.

Tim Stone

@Zypher Hmm?

Zypher

1

Q: Is there a complete prism bundle for chat?

I just discovered prism: http://prism.mozillalabs.com/ It allows you to convert web apps into desktop applications. You define a bundle, and then can launch your webapp as though it were a desktop application. There are a bunch of advantages here (as related to chat): Chat gets its own i...

feature-request chat

Tim Stone

Ah, the prism stuff, gotcha.

Zypher

i really should be doing something ... productive right now ... like getting christmas gifts ... but i really have had no motivation all day

Rebecca Chernoff

@waffles, is it something weird in the way I'm loading it maybe? dl.dropbox.com/u/3480259/ChatMSO.webapp Bear in mind I haven't tested that a bit, heh.

waffles

3:36 AM

looking

Tim Stone

@Zypher Yeah...my brain is moving along at a snail's pace at the moment for some reason.

Zypher

i think it was all caused by madden not showing up at the office today

Rebecca Chernoff

Ok, I tried loading the gmail one I found an example on, and that doesn't seem to do anything either. So I'm definitely doing something wrong. Hopefully it'll work for @waffles.

Tim Stone

@RebeccaChernoff Did you remember the obligatory fist shake?

Zypher

→ 1 message moved to Bad Joke Room

today counts as a friday you can double fist

Tim Stone

3:41 AM

Uhh

Zypher

I see @RebeccaChernoff is "oy" gets starred so much ... for this I have a solution!

waffles

@RebeccaChernoff can you try uri=http://chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/ as opposed to chat.meta.stackoverflow.com ?

Rebecca Chernoff

kk

Tim Stone

@Zypher And what's that? :P

Rebecca Chernoff

@TimStone Something tells me I'm not sure I want to know.

Zypher

3:44 AM

simple, pick a day and star everything she says ... get it out of our systems

waffles

wait a sec signing out and creating a new one with the script ...

Tim Stone

@Zypher I think you underestimate the systems of the people who star her oys. :P

Zypher

I underestimate nothing

if the first one doesn't work then we'll just have to do it again

Rebecca Chernoff

Actually I dunno if the one I put in the dropbox had your version in it or mine haha.

@Zypher, this sounds...not a good idea.

waffles

how do I test this user script is working?

Tim Stone

3:45 AM

Minor details. :P

Rebecca Chernoff

@waffles the userscript or the webapp.js I put in there?

waffles

webapp.js

Rebecca Chernoff

Did it just show you a tray notification?

since I alerted you?

@waffles testing

waffles

oops ... one sec

I missed it

just a sec

Rebecca Chernoff

c'mon man, keep up!

Zypher

3:48 AM

@RebeccaChernoff since when have a good ideas happened in this room?

Rebecca Chernoff

@Zypher Any idea that I've suggested?

3

q:

Tim Stone

@RebeccaChernoff Beat me to it ;)

Rebecca Chernoff

@waffles, dropbox updated with http://

waffles

just a sec ... debugging

Rebecca Chernoff

If it's js that's the issue I can debug that separately if needed.

Yi Jiang

4:12 AM

I've been playing around with Prism too. Erm... do you guys have any idea how to set it up?

Rebecca Chernoff

The instructions I saw said to get the standalone installer.

Though I can't run bundles it seems. >_<

Yi Jiang

@RebeccaChernoff The instructions also said that the Prism executable would automatically associate itself with .webapp files... which it does not

Rebecca Chernoff

But I sent my bundle to @waffles, not sure if it worked though. ): Hopefully it does which in that case I think the request is done. Heh.

Yeah, I noticed that too. (;

Yi Jiang

Command line prism.exe -webapp SOChat.webapp is what I'm using

Very painful... grrr

Rebecca Chernoff

that'll only work if you've got it extracted already. First time you need to use the path.

Yi Jiang

4:16 AM

@RebeccaChernoff To make my life easy, I've stuck the .webapp file into the same directory as prism.exe :P

Rebecca Chernoff

oh, right.

I was reading that as just saying SOChat.

Yi Jiang

Also, if you need to rerun the same app you need the id, not the .webapp file

Rebecca Chernoff

Well, I can't get mine to run the first time

Yi Jiang

@RebeccaChernoff Neither would mine...

I think I might want to create a batch file that automatically packages up the two files into a zip then renames them before running prism.exe.

Rebecca Chernoff

2 files? No icon?

Yi Jiang

4:19 AM

@RebeccaChernoff No icons yet. Sigh...

Rebecca Chernoff

Hmm, I'll pop in to their irc channel and see if I can get anywhere.

Yi Jiang

Can you send me your package instead?

The documentation sucks, by the way.

Rebecca Chernoff

Wait

I think I have an idea

waffles

yeah @rchern ... document does not work ... you need to do window.top.document

you actually get a little debugging console if the js parses properly

Yi Jiang

@waffles Erm... do you have a package that actually installs okay? Mine just pops up a blank window with two errors in the error console

waffles

4:23 AM

yerp one sec

Rebecca Chernoff

You got it to load though waffles?

waffles

make sure you run (prism) b4 ... load it via prism.exe

Rebecca Chernoff

Ah, damn I forgot to change that. ):

@waffles Yeah...I dunno how. ):

Did you make those changes and does it work? I'll kinda be a little bit shocked if it does. q:

Yi Jiang

Also, since you have document and window access, does it mean we can access jQuery as well as chat's own variables?

Tim Stone

wouldn't be surprised

Rebecca Chernoff

4:24 AM

@YiJiang, huh? most of the chat stuff is scoped.

Yi Jiang

Working with Prism so far is akin to... banging my head onto my table. Repeatedly.

Rebecca Chernoff

Just as is the userscript stuff. And also the stuff I added to this.

Yi Jiang

waffles

this works for me : chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/files/321/…

(are you able to download?)

Tim Stone

Apparently :o

waffles

4:26 AM

prism.mozillalabs.com/downloads/1.0b4

Yi Jiang

@waffles Page not found

waffles

@Yi are you running b4?

see link ^^^

Yi Jiang

@waffles Yes

prism 1.0b4 en-us, to be exact

waffles

ok ... just a sec dropping the zip elsewhere

ircmaxell

Part of me wants to go to sleep. The other part doesn't... Ahh, decisions...

Rebecca Chernoff

4:27 AM

chat.zip downloads for me.

Tim Stone

Did for me too.

waffles

community.mediabrowser.tv/uploads/site_1/1496/chat.zip

Yi Jiang

@waffles Got that, thanks

Tim Stone

Not that I'm trying out this prism silliness or anything, I'm just nosy ;)

waffles

does it run ... and chuck a bunch of nonsense on the top window?

Yi Jiang

4:29 AM

It works, although the crap I see are appended to after the footer

checks the js file

Rebecca Chernoff

@waffles, I updated the dropbox link with window.top.document. Any other changes you need in that?

waffles

ahhh progress ... @RebeccaChernoff still trying to figure out how to insert stuff on load of subsequent pages ...

the first page is easy ... load fires

Rebecca Chernoff

I thought my include property might do that |:

Or at least, take care of it.

Yi Jiang

@waffles Use the startup function I think

Rebecca Chernoff

And yeah, I'm running the b04 and still can't seem to install crap. >_<

Dom isn't available in startup.

Yi Jiang

4:32 AM

You saw this, right? developer.mozilla.org/en/Prism/Scripting

waffles

yeah ... load runs ... but not on the second page load as far as I can see

Rebecca Chernoff

Does the notification work for the first page?

waffles

checking

Rebecca Chernoff

Though we'd need to notify you (;

Yi Jiang

@waffles Actually, I think those functions only occur when the application is ran. You'll need window.onload if you want something to run on every page load I think

On a separate note, I just found out that I can access jQuery through window.$ :P

Hmm... no window.onload doesn't work either. Weird...

The biggest problem is that chat in Prism opens up all links in a new window, which is hugely annoying

Have to correct that behavior somehow...

Rebecca Chernoff

4:42 AM

That's what include/exclude is for.

waffles

this seems to work from console ... window.platform.showNotification("Here is a new message","hello world!");

Yi Jiang

@RebeccaChernoff Hmmm? But can you do exclude=*?

Rebecca Chernoff

And yeah, we're breaking the app concept by having it be multiple pages, but again, I thought using include in the ini would be ok.

Yi Jiang

Hang on, let me try...

Rebecca Chernoff

@waffles and an optional 3rd arg for a favicon.

waffles

4:43 AM

yerp

Rebecca Chernoff

So it seems like my code should be ok I just can't run bundles, oy.

Yi Jiang

I just tried exclude=* and include=chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/*

Exclude works, but include doesn't cause the pages to open up in the same tab. Annoying.

Rebecca Chernoff

exclude=* ??

I'm not sure I see the reasoning there.

waffles

the killer is ... how do you load the js into the subsequent page?

Yi Jiang

@RebeccaChernoff All external links now opens up in the proper Firefox browser instead of a new Prism window

Which is expected behavior, really

Rebecca Chernoff

4:48 AM

include
uris that should be opened in the web app, rather than in the default browser. An asterisk is used to match any string. Separate multiple uris with commas: *google.com, *yahoo.com

What I said. (;

(and I wouldn't really expect any include to work if you exclude *)

Yi Jiang

I was just thinking that we could open up other parts of the chat interface like login and all rooms in iframes when I remembered that SO breaks frames... grrr

@RebeccaChernoff It does, actually. Fun, right?

Rebecca Chernoff

You just said it didn't.

Yi Jiang

@RebeccaChernoff Did I? Where?

Rebecca Chernoff

5 mins ago, by Yi Jiang

Exclude works, but include doesn't cause the pages to open up in the same tab. Annoying.

Yi Jiang

@RebeccaChernoff That's normal chat behavior - any links from this page's interface opens up in a new tab, but since Prism doesn't have tabs, it's a new window instead

What exclude does is that any excluded site's URL opens up in Firefox proper, instead of Prism

Rebecca Chernoff

4:53 AM

Well since I can't get Prism to even work I wouldn't know. ):

grumbles.

Yi Jiang

@RebeccaChernoff So what's the problem?

Rebecca Chernoff

The same one you were having I thought.

Yi Jiang

@RebeccaChernoff Apparently not. Using @waffles's package I got it to work

jleedev

I just giggled at "@waffles's package". I think it's bedtime.

Rebecca Chernoff

Erm did you mention what the difference was?

If you did I didn't see it.

Yi Jiang

4:57 AM

@RebeccaChernoff The difference between his and mine? Mine didn't have an icon, and it was also using Unix line breaks instead of Windows ones. Not sure if either of those would cause it to break

Rebecca Chernoff

Yours had Unix line breaks?

I have an icon and I'm on Windows. Heh.

Yi Jiang

@RebeccaChernoff I wrote it in Linux, then moved over back to Windows 7 before resuming this work

In retrospect that might have been the problem

Hang on, let me see if I can successfully login and talk using the Prism app

It works :P Yay! Hurray!

Rebecca Chernoff

Why wouldn't it?

Yi Jiang

@RebeccaChernoff Not sure. But for some reason it never occurred to me to actually log in and talk :P

Rebecca Chernoff

Not really sure I see how all this prism stuff is worth it. In Chrome you just right-click and click Create Application Shortcut (:

rather, the tools menu, not right-click, sorry.

Yi Jiang

5:05 AM

@RebeccaChernoff Well, if I could package this thing up nicely and actually get native desktop notifications working it could be quite interesting

Rebecca Chernoff

5:15 AM

Are you using the one I packaged?

I'm skeptical you'll get it running on subsequent pages to be honest. Goes against the concept?

Yi Jiang

@RebeccaChernoff Possibly; in that case we could just pull in new pages using ajax. Sucks that iframe doesn't work

Hmmm... chat is still using version 1.4.2

Rebecca Chernoff

...that sounds excessive.

Yi Jiang

@RebeccaChernoff Shouldn't be too hard. And AFAIK Prism scripts have the same level of access as add-ons, which could be very interesting

Filesystem and clipboards can be accessed, for instance

Rebecca Chernoff

You're not talking about making a script though. You're talking about totally redesigning chat.

Yi Jiang

Hang on, chat.meta.stackoverflow.com doesn't appear to have the frame busting script

That's... odd

waffles

5:26 AM

I tried:

var observerService = Cc["@mozilla.org/observer-service;1"].getService(Ci.nsIObserverService);
observerService.addObserver(observer, "chrome-document-global-created", false);

but can not get my observer to get that message yet

tricky business

Rebecca Chernoff

The userscript will support desktop notifications for Chrome users before I go to bed. (:

waffles

yeah ... this prism stuff feels awfully rough

Rebecca Chernoff

5:49 AM

now for the amazing "does it work on the first try" test

Yi Jiang

@RebeccaChernoff Hello rchern!

Rebecca Chernoff

hehe, my permissioning request didn't work. but it did try to notify me.

OH! A return value of 0 means you do have permission. 0 shouldn't be the true return >_<

Yi Jiang

@RebeccaChernoff Does it work now?

Rebecca Chernoff

You were too early. But I doubt it. console is printing "requesting permission" but then I don't see the prompt and the console then doesn't say "permission granted". ):

Yi Jiang

@RebeccaChernoff Can haz request permizzion?

Rebecca Chernoff

5:57 AM

Well at least that time it recognized it didn't have permission to do the notification and didn't try.

I wonder if it is has to be the actual user clicking on something that requests permission rather than me just calling requestPermissions lol.

Yi Jiang

@RebeccaChernoff Don't think so - I mean, having the app notify you every time you click on a button is pretty useless as a notification

Rebecca Chernoff

Erm, you just have to request permission once. Then it knows you've granted it permission.

That's how the api is.

there's a function to request permissions, a function to check permissions, and a function to create the notification.

Yi Jiang

@RebeccaChernoff I know, but in the example I saw, it's just a simple if-else to get permission if there isn't, and post message if there is

Rebecca Chernoff

If I call requestPermissions from the console nothing happens either.

ok, now notify me please?

waffles

@RebeccaChernoff ?

Rebecca Chernoff

6:07 AM

Not perfect, but at least something showed up.

waffles

yay

Rebecca Chernoff

Is there not a favicon.ico in chat.meta.stackoverflow.com? Might be why the icon isn't showing there. And I suppose that answers whether or not the notifications are text or html...

But yeah, it does seem to be that an actual mouse click requesting the permission is necessary.

Yi Jiang

@RebeccaChernoff http://sstatic.net/stackoverflowmeta/img/favicon.ico?v=acf3126f147b

Although the last query string is probably unnecessary

Rebecca Chernoff

I know where it can be found, but I was referring to the fact that I linked it to chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/favicon.ico

which goes to mso instead of stackoverflowmeta on sstatic

Yi Jiang

@RebeccaChernoff Hmmm... doesn't IE blow up if it can't find the favicon at that address?

Rebecca Chernoff

6:12 AM

and results in a 404

I also need to make sure this doesn't break for you silly Firefox people.

And I need to figure out how to make the notifications age away...surely that is doable.

Yi Jiang

@RebeccaChernoff :|

Rebecca Chernoff

ooooh there's a separate call for html notifications \o/

...that loads an html page?

Yi Jiang

@RebeccaChernoff Evil plan no. 1: Post gigantic Wikipedia oneboxes repeatedly so that half of @RebeccaChernoff's page is filled with them

Rebecca Chernoff

hrmph.

Need to do it like balpharc do for the star listing.

Hmm.

Poll:
a) Age each notification away after x seconds. x=2? x=5?
b) Keep notifications visible until chat gets focus again and then dismiss all visible notifications

Tim Stone

6:28 AM

So, how're your coding adventures going? :P

Rebecca Chernoff

@TimStone Read poll. Answer poll. (;

Tim Stone

The answer is neither, and both :P

Rebecca Chernoff

Naturally. (;

Tim Stone

I don't think there's a good answer to that problem, honestly. I guess the first one has slightly less potential to be annoying.

And you should do it for 3.5 seconds ;)

Rebecca Chernoff

oy

Tim Stone

6:31 AM

What? For once, I was being serious. :P

Rebecca Chernoff

Heh.

Alright, well, I said the script would support them, I didn't say it'd support it well. Off to bed for now. Will definitely be fleshing it out a bit more though.

Tim Stone

\o/

Yi Jiang

@TimStone Before you get too excited, it's Chrome-only at the moment

Tim Stone

Well, I'm running chat in Chrome and it's always open on my right screen, so I guess it's a non-issue from many perspectives, heh.

Yi Jiang

@TimStone Right. I'm still jabbing Prism with a rather large stick, so hopefully this works out reasonably well

Tim Stone

6:36 AM

Good luck with that. Prior to you guys messing with it, I heard it was a bit of a pain, which is why I opted to go play games instead. :P

Yi Jiang

Here's my idea for what the Prism app would look like:

1) Everything in one window - so external links will open up in your default browser, while chat links to stuff like conversations and transcripts will pop up in iframe instead

2) Notifications. Duh. With configurable options, methinks

Tim Stone

Cool stuff

Yi Jiang

The problem is that Prism is extremely slow in terms of development, and the current release is severely lacking in features

Just look at how long the development wishlist is: wiki.mozilla.org/Prism#Wishlist

Tim Stone

Oh, wow. Yeah, that's a bit lengthy, heh. I wonder why development is so slow..

Yi Jiang

@TimStone Really don't know why. This thing is that that close to been useful

Tim Stone

6:52 AM

@YiJiang I kind of went "Eh" when I first heard about the project, but honestly, they should totally have invested effort into this Mozilla Lab project instead of that Persona crap they added to Firefox. At least this could be useful for something. :P

balpha

7:04 AM

Merry Christmas, my fellow countrymen (if any of them are here)

the rest of you will have to wait for tomorrow

Tim Stone

Hahah, a preemptive Merry Christmas to you as well ;)

Greg Hewgill

it will be christmas in 4 hours here!

balpha

Well, here it is already. Yay for Germany not caring that the rest of the world celebrates on the 25th!

Tim Stone

Cheaters! ;)

balpha

okay, we're not all all alone

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Tyler Chacha

7:31 AM

Hello

balpha

8:18 AM

We've made some pretty big changes to the CSS of the graduated SE 2.0 sites, so if you notice any new CSS bugs, please let me know. Thanks!

Yi Jiang

10:04 AM

@balpha Well, it would be a lot easier if you actually tell us what actually changed :P

balpha

hopefully nothing :)

we use dotlesscss.org now, so I did quite some converting

to make the CSS a little more maintainable

that conversion is supposed to leave everything as is

but sometimes, you know, bugs happen :)

Yi Jiang

Ah, so backend changes

balpha

yeah

Reno

12:00 PM

oy you there , merry christmas

ircmaxell

12:43 PM

Merry Christmas as well

Dan Grossman

12:57 PM

You'll see a different image here depending on what browser you use

ircmaxell

I don't use FF on this computer

but looks nice

Yi Jiang

ircmaxell

lol

ircmaxell

1:22 PM

Hrm, MySQL supports paired in clauses...

WHERE (foo, bar) IN ((foo1, bar1), (foo2, bar2), ...)

learn something new every day...

Dan Grossman

WHERE (foo, bar) IN (SELECT foo, bar FROM ...)

it's useful

ircmaxell

That one I know...

but I didn't know you could specify the value-pairs explicitly

(And I couldn't find this in the docs, weird...)

Dan Grossman

dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/expressions.html

it's part of the grammar

expr => boolean_primary => predicate => bit_expr => simple_expr => (expr, expr, ...)

ircmaxell

While that's useful for building a grammar parser, it's rediculously hard to understand for humans...

Dan Grossman

pffth

humans need not apply, RDBMS usage requires a CS degree

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ircmaxell

1:37 PM

lol

Dam, I need to come up with a 140-char "Why I would be a good pilot person"

Wow, commenting is still going strong...

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A: Quickest Way to Read First Line from File

Well, you could do: $f = fopen($file); $line = fgets($f); fclose($f); (It's not one line, but if you made it one line you'd either be screwed for error checking, or be leaving resources open longer than you need them, so I'd say keep the multiple lines)... Edit: For a one liner (I know it's s...

Dan Grossman

1:55 PM

wtf local fox news

"What is up with the bathrooms? The locks don't work on our bathrooms. Sometimes I have to use the lady's room." "This is not a good conversation, let's move on"

ircmaxell

lol

radp

5 kb/s mobile broadband

kill me now

balpha

@radp "broad"?

radp

@balpha Ubuntu calls it that

God bless Opera Turbo.

balpha

Also: I had the same thing for 10 days during my camping vacation in August. You get used to it :)