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Braiam

5:00 PM

@SmokeDetector deleted

ThiefMaster

@UnicornsAreVeryVeryYummy where? :p

apnorton

@SmokeDetector tpu

SmokeDetector

@apnorton Blacklisted user and registered question as true positive: added title to the Bayesian doctype 'bad'.

Unicorns Are Very Very Yummy

Someone breaks his 120 day silence

user259867

@apnorton Their other question is a normal one.

Unicorns Are Very Very Yummy

5:01 PM

@Thi ^^

On your website

ThiefMaster

thought so ;)

user259867

!!/rmblu askubuntu.com/users/437209/john-razevich

SmokeDetector

@NormalHuman User removed from blacklist (437209 on askubuntu.com).

apnorton

@NormalHuman I forgot tpu blacklisted users; is there a way to say "you detected this correctly, but give this user some slack"?

Unicorns Are Very Very Yummy

askubuntu.com/questions/657787/…

Gone!!

Bart

5:03 PM

@ThiefMaster ... you look nothing like a cat at all!

Unicorns Are Very Very Yummy

@Bart Its an octocat

Some github thing

Bart

Stop confusing me with facts.

Unicorns Are Very Very Yummy

Sorry

apnorton

@apnorton Ah! So "u" stands for "user," not "update."

user259867

@apnorton There is "tp" but frankly, it's useless. Smokey doesn't need positive reinforcement the way humans do. The useful things to do are (a) blacklist a user; (b) ignore the post, so it's not reported again; (c) report as fp so that it's also removed.

user259867

5:06 PM

I use fp- most of the time, and ignore- if there is still something to do [edit] there but I'm lazy, and hope someone else will.

apnorton

ok.

user259867

5:18 PM

@apnorton BTW, full list of commands is here... github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector/wiki/Commands ... except whoami

user259867

The Wiki is directly editable.

Unicorns Are Very Very Yummy

!!/blame

SmokeDetector

@UnicornsAreVeryVeryYummy It's rene's fault.

Unicorns Are Very Very Yummy

!!/blame

SmokeDetector

@UnicornsAreVeryVeryYummy It's Unihedron's fault.

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Unicorns Are Very Very Yummy

5:19 PM

@Uni ^^

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@Uni that's because you kicked me and didn't kick @bjb.

apnorton

@NormalHuman Thanks. I had been digging through the code to determine what all the commands did; this will be easier. And, I've just added whoami.

user259867

Yeah, I really should have pointed out the wiki when adding you...

bjb568

Have I been summoned?

Unicorns Are Very Very Yummy

No

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

5:22 PM

Yes, I mean no.

apnorton

@bjb568 @inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M was pointing out that his kicking was inequitable. Essentially, he's asking for you to be kicked, bjb. :P

Unicorns Are Very Very Yummy

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Slaps @inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M's mouth

apnorton

@UnicornsAreVeryVeryYummy you do this only to discover their mouth is made of Titanium. Naturally, you break your hand.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Actually, I don't have a mouth.

For more info, look at my selfie.

Hmm, lemme test . . .

Still looks uglily bright.

Unicorns Are Very Very Yummy

Need testing for kicks

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

5:33 PM

I saw (e.name != "Unicorns Are Very Very Yummy"} as (e.name = "Unicorns Are Very Very Yummy"}.

Unicorns Are Very Very Yummy

Wow thats a lot of people in this room

Grrrrr

Undo

0

A: Symfony 2 with PUGXMultiUserBundle and multi login form

You can accept my answer if it was helpful.

Unicorns Are Very Very Yummy

Flajjed

function kick(e) {
  alert('Kicked ' + e);
}
users = []
CHAT.RoomUsers.pingableUsersIncludeIncomplete().forEach(function(e) {
  users.push(e);
});
users.forEach(function(e) {
  if (e.name != "Unicorns Are Very Very Yummy") {
    kick(e.name);
  }
});

Its a lot of people

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[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive body detected: Change each symbol excluding variables in bash using sed & regex by EwanCoder on stackoverflow.com

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive body detected: Change each symbol excluding words in bash using sed & regex by EwanCoder on stackoverflow.com

Unicorns Are Very Very Yummy

Wait.. Nope

Undo

5:39 PM

@SmokeDetector why

SmokeDetector

@Undo Body - Position 1300-1304: fuck

Unicorns Are Very Very Yummy

reject-plz stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/9084642

Undo

@UnicornsAreVeryVeryYummy ... what?

Oh

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One day I'm going to be edit banned

And most of it is clashes like this

Undo

it's a sliding window, you'll be fine

Braiam

5:44 PM

you can panic... now

gunr2171

@UnicornsAreVeryVeryYummy uh, sorry about that

Unicorns Are Very Very Yummy

@gunr2171 Its fine

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Q: Rejected edits by community should not show up anywhere

A bunch of my edits were rejected by community as This edit conflicted with a subsequent edit. However, when try to edit something, it says: Also, 5 of those are community reject due to conflicts. Shouldn't the community rejects not show up? Also, this are the rejected edits(As of now...

Sup @Uni @Kev

U̶n̶i̶h̶e̶d̶r̶o̶n̶

I'm not Unihedron, I'm U̶n̶i̶h̶e̶d̶r̶o̶n̶, so whoever you're blaming, that's not me. :P

Undo

@Braiam That's horrid

Unicorns Are Very Very Yummy

Same Origin Policy?

Grrrr

Its so annoying

Jon Clements

5:46 PM

@UnicornsAreVeryVeryYummy Umm... what was with that edit btw?

gunr2171

@JonClements I rolled back

Jon Clements

hi all btw

Unicorns Are Very Very Yummy

@JonClements Conflict, but came after @gunr2171's edit

@JonClements Sup

gunr2171

it was just one big edit conflict :(

@gunr2171 well I read somewhere on stackoverflow guidelines that it is actually good practice to put solution into the question, so that anyone who will search for the same answer will quickly get what he wants. About swearing: well I never swear in my own native language as a habit, but I always thought that in english f* word is more like some "fastener" for words, all the media don't censure the content, and also we have brainfuck language... But if you are native speaker and you confirm that swearing is really BAD, I swear I won't swear anymore :D — EwanCoder 15 secs ago

Undo

@SmokeDetector fpu-

Unicorns Are Very Very Yummy

5:51 PM

Just found this

stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/8720251

Undo

@SmokeDetector fpu-

@UnicornsAreVeryVeryYummy Wish I could see the timeline for that post

Unicorns Are Very Very Yummy

Like what? Approve and Reject in the same minute?

Undo

I'd like to see how that looked from the system's perspective

Unicorns Are Very Very Yummy

@Undo stackoverflow.com/posts/31286077/timeline

Undo

@UnicornsAreVeryVeryYummy that's the ugly boring public timeline

mods have a shinier more useful one

Unicorns Are Very Very Yummy

5:53 PM

Really?

Braiam

@Undo another reason to enable SELinux or similar...

Undo

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Q: All-caps in Moderator Timeline

The new post timeline for moderators (as opposed as to the old obscure question timeline for everyone) is very helpful, but it seems that it sometimes gets a tad over-excited when a mod converts an answer to a comment. Can we get it to be in line with all the other status events in all-lowercase?...

bug status-completed moderator-tools

That's a glimpse

Unicorns Are Very Very Yummy

@Undo So little?

Oh sup @ren

rene

ola

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[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: PHP COMPARAÇÃO DE VALORES (DOUBLE) DUVIDA by Rafael L Ramon on pt.stackoverflow.com

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: ".walkfree" folder automatically created in SD card, and APKs downloaded into it without any notification by RAYIPALLISRINIVASA VIDYA SAGAR on android.stackexchange.com

Kevin Brown

6:12 PM

@SmokeDetector NAA

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: PLEASE ANSWER TO THIS .. I REALLY TRIED EVERTHING BUT EVERY TIME IT SHOWS RUN TIME ERROR by Akanchha Jaiswal on stackoverflow.com

Undo

@SmokeDetector lol

~~cv-plz ^ one more~~

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[ SmokeDetector ] Link at end of body: move VM, account does not have permission required to open attachment by Sir yrwins on superuser.com

ᔕᖺᘎᕊ

6:35 PM

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A: Opt in "mentor" privilege at 7.5k

I'd like to float a modified version of this idea as a 30k (10k beta) privilege. Problem statement Stack Exchange sites (and especially Stack Overflow) intimidate new users who might become exceptional contributors if only they got over the hump of asking and answering questions. Meanwhile, top...

looks good! :)

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Awesome

user259867

Apart from not being realistic, what's not to like?

Jon Ericson

@NormalHuman How isn't it realistic?

user259867

The number of 30K users who want to do this vs the number of people who don't know how to ask.

Unicorns Are Very Very Yummy

@JonEricson It seems awesome

Jon Ericson

6:46 PM

@NormalHuman Oh. We aren't tying to solve all the world's problems you know. ;-)

Undo

@ᔕᖺᘎᕊ I like it, although we aren't showing 7.5kers deleted posts

user259867

Yes, but if the effect is too localized to be noticeable, the feature's score is around -99.

user259867

(Starting with -100)

Jon Ericson

The part I'm concerned with is making this worthwhile for top users. Hard to know without trying.

Unicorns Are Very Very Yummy

Wait.

It must be awesome to have Jon Skeet as your mentor

New user comes to SO

Gets Jon Skeet

Undo

6:48 PM

@JonEricson Why 30k, instead of 17.5 or 15k?

Unicorns Are Very Very Yummy

Sup @ᔕᖺᘎᕊ

User screams and runs away after seeing who his mentor is

Undo

I can see it as a "to keep people wanting privs", but honestly are the people who want more privs just because the ones we want as mentors?

Do we have evidence that 30kers are any better at this sort of thing than 10/15kers?

Oh you addressed that

I need to learn to read

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Huh, you can use hr as borders

Kind of...

user259867

By the time I got to 30K, I was sufficiently fed up with notifications to not want any more stuff in my inbox.

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@NormalHuman What notifications?

Jon Ericson

6:53 PM

@Undo Honestly, I think this could be expanded down if it works reasonably well with 30k users.

@UnicornsAreVeryVeryYummy I'm guessing upvotes, badges, complimentary comments, etc.

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@JonEricson Gets an idea

But it will get downvoted

user259867

7:22 PM

> Someone warned me in an elevator that emails and tweets a government reads get 'heavier' if you print and weigh them. Stairs, yeah, stairs. -- Tim Post at 12:06 PM - 7 Aug 2015 via Twitter

user259867

<-- too antisocial for elevators

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating characters in body: SQL count number of users hava a value > 1 by Jhonny Pamponet on stackoverflow.com

user259867

@SmokeDetector ignore- formatting accident

ᔕᖺᘎᕊ

@SmokeDetector why

SmokeDetector

@ᔕᖺᘎᕊ There is no why data for that post (anymore).

ᔕᖺᘎᕊ

7:33 PM

:(

ahh - because of ignore?

makes sense!

user259867

@ᔕᖺᘎᕊ Because "repeated characters" is a method, not a regex. Only regexes capture data for why.

ᔕᖺᘎᕊ

@NormalHuman oh...

thanks!

user259867

But I can tell why: the code is removed prior to running the method. If you remove all that inline code what's left is ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

ᔕᖺᘎᕊ

@NormalHuman didn't know the code was ignored! I guess it kind of makes sense to do that! Otherwise there would be a lot more false alarms! :)

SmokeDetector

7:56 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: Adding a boot partition to my external hard drive by Brad H on superuser.com

user259867

@SmokeDetector tpu-

Dronehinge

8:25 PM

I'm sorry, but no, this is not a good use of Meta. On here we generally complain about the developers, their terrible work and how unusable the site is. We wouldn't want them to think too highly of themselves. So perhaps edit your post to include an insult or two? — Bart 3 hours ago

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Email in answer: What are the differences between cancer and tumour? by Jasmine on biology.stackexchange.com

user259867

@SmokeDetector tpu-

SuperScript

Rep is broken on SO. :-(

rene

8:40 PM

Yeah, thankfully...otherwise I would have never made it above 10K

Dronehinge

@NormalHuman I wouldn't dare drink the PHPeach until after I've had 6 RubyOnRye's

Sean Van Gorder

I just failed an audit in Late Answers, but it's an actual answer that gives an alternative to the accepted one. There's a comment by someone who apparently misread it as a question. Is there any way to get it re-reviewed? stackoverflow.com/review/late-answers/9085229

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: PLEASE HELP I HAVE ERROR by Jana likes PHP on stackoverflow.com

Sean Van Gorder

maybe it could be more explicit about where to apply the CSS, but in context with the other answers it seems perfectly understandable, is that bad enough to reject it?

user259867

8:55 PM

@SmokeDetector needs a mentor, obviously. Anyone?

user259867

@SeanVanGorder Well... it got deleted from review, apparently. If you think the deletion was a mistake, perhaps it needs to be undeleted. Then it won't be an audit.

user259867

One would need 20K to vote to undelete an answer, though.

user259867

And it's still not obvious to me that this is indeed an answer....

Sean Van Gorder

the accepted answer boils down to one line of CSS, which is one of the two he mentions there, along with his alternative since the first two didn't work for him

it should help anyone who has the same setup as him where the accepted answer doesn't work (assuming he's right, but I don't think correctness is an issue for moderation?)

user259867

The part "didn't work for him" is unclear. Presumable, their HTML and CSS isn't the same as of the OP. So, what we have is a line of CSS that fixes some problem in some unknown code.

user259867

9:04 PM

With zero explanation of why it does what it does, whatever that is.

Sean Van Gorder

so if a solution doesn't work for you and you find another solution, you can't tell anyone unless you figure out exactly what situation requires the second solution? what if he had just said "this also works"?

it seems like a simple case of an alternative solution, why not let people see both in case one doesn't work for them?

user259867

Well, by that logic I can add a random line of CSS as an answer to any question, claiming that it works for me.

Sean Van Gorder

is that not what the accepted answer did when it was posted? it even says "fixed the issue for me", how would you accept one and not the other?

the accepted answer also offers an alternative solution without saying when it might be necessary

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Email in body: Помогите, пожалуйста, найти книги для курсовой by klaudia on rus.stackexchange.com

Sean Van Gorder

and the rejected answer's alternative also has the advantage of not using a proprietary webkit CSS property

Werner

9:18 PM

Is there a (better) place where we can ask the following question?

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Q: Someone has written 100 thousand (!) answers (graphic design bug)

I was really surprised to see that egreg has written 100570 answers! I thought it's a bit too much, and indeed -- it is. The number of answers blends into the number of questions. In my opinion, this is at least non- aesthetic.

bug design user-profile-page statistics typography

On Meta Stack Exchange or perhaps User Experience, or ...

Dronehinge

@Werner that's probably the best place since it doesn't seem to be bad on SO stackoverflow.com/users/22656/jon-skeet

Werner

@Dronehinge The obvious choice here would be "K-rounding".

My suggestion would be that it be consistent across the answer and question section.

Those interested in seeing the actual number of questions could hover over the K-number and see the actual displayed in tooltip.

Kevin Brown

@Werner You should be fine keeping it on that meta

All bug reports get aggregated into a single location, no matter what Meta that are in

user259867

And get ignored while designers are working on beer labels.

Sean Van Gorder

9:36 PM

chat should show rep when you mouse-over a username, instead of just randomly when someone happens to make a big enough text box

Werner

9:54 PM

@KevinBrown Thanks.

user259867

10:08 PM

7

A: "Comments can not contain that content"?

We've had some persistent Chinese spammers across the network, so we introduced a global block on Chinese characters (on sites where we don't expect such characters to normally appear). Given that the block was only hit 3 times here since introduction and that Brazil has a large Japanese communi...

user259867

2

A: Editor de texto para respostas não permite certos tipos de caracteres multibyte

As I mentioned here, we put a block in place due to Chinese spammers acting across the network. I took a look at the numbers, and this was only triggered twice since going up (so probably by the question OP here...). So, I've removed it here.

user259867

Interesting that the filter applied also to comments.

user259867

The spammers weren't really acting across the network as much as going from site to site.

Shog9

10:33 PM

herd immunity

requires them to not just be blocked on the site they're targeting, but on whatever site they find next

hence the rather overbearing block

user259867

I like herd immunity.

user259867

Can we develop herd immunity to bad questions?

4

Braiam

@NormalHuman that's called ignore

user259867

Only works if everyone does that. 95% of viewers ignoring, yet others answering is as good as no immunity.

Jon Ericson

10:55 PM

@NormalHuman 95% is about right for measles. Aim for 100%, get 95% and we'll be fine.

apnorton

Bad questions are worse than measles.

Jon Ericson

"Worse" or more transmissible?

apnorton

I don't know if "transmissible" is the right term, but perhaps "prolific"? I don't think I'd win an argument that it is worse to be around people asking bad questions than to have the measles, but I'm sure I could make a case...

Jon Ericson

Well, we could disable the Ask Question page...

Braiam

@JonEricson at this point, I would say that's sensible

user259867

11:06 PM

Just add some text to speech JS to it... xkcd.com/481

apnorton

@JonEricson I'd 100% support shutting down the Math.SE "ask questions" page for the months of September and February to knock down start-of-school spam.

Jon Ericson

@apnorton Why not spend those months on Community Building or Mythology instead?

Braiam

@JonEricson CB is too much a event-based QA, people asks about stuff happening or that recently happened, Mythology is the oposite

Jon Ericson

@Braiam Either way, they are within rounding error of what Math would be like without new questions.

Braiam

@JonEricson there are just so many math questions, that even if the site doesn't have the 1% left unanswered is ok

when I said "just so many" I meant limited

SmokeDetector

11:15 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] Link at end of body: I'm stuck with Youtube's new experimental ui (found non-flash solution) by user886079 on superuser.com

user259867

@SmokeDetector fp- but I'm open to suggestions on how to avoid false positives for link-at-end better... (such as this one, superuser.com/q/950082 )

Jon Ericson

@Braiam Huh. Math is the one site on the network that I'm certain will never run out of interesting questions‌.

user259867

I agree with that: there will always be interesting questions in Math.

Braiam

@JonEricson see, that's a problem with rate. Any interesting question which are generated (that one is dated 1924) at very slow pace, gets buried by the volume of mundane ones that gets generated every second

if you say, that at random for 1 hour no question can be asked, you will notice that people either would try harder to solve their problems, go away, or complain and go away

user259867

No, there are always new interesting questions... on a good day, I can come up with 10 of them before breakfast.

user259867

11:24 PM

Some of them I can answer.

user259867

It's this infinite duplication of the mundane that's kind of annoying.

Jon Ericson

@Braiam Oh, don't look at recent questions. That's foolish. You gotta let the sorting engine do it's magic.

user259867

Nobody will search for a duplicate. It's far far easier to answer than to search. Often, easier to answer than to read the question.

Kevin Brown

Just learned about queryxchange.com after doing an image search, looks like they break most of the rules

user259867

0

Q: Is there a connected subset of $\mathbb{R}^n$ that is not complete?

Is there a connected subset of $\mathbb{R}^n$ that is not complete? Thanks in advanced

general-topology

user259867

11:26 PM

Anyone knowing both definitions can answer within a second.

user259867

Figuring out why the OP can't answer it themselves would be a lot harder.

user259867

Fortunately, I stopped trying.

Braiam

@JonEricson kind of remembers me "give them a nail, they take the whole arm"

@NormalHuman because the less-effort-possible policy dictates that is easier try to make another human figure out your problem than putting effort solving it yourself

which may have to do with how easy are stuff achieved nowadays

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[ SmokeDetector ] Link at end of body: Xerox Phaser 6280D horizontal line every 3 inches by James on superuser.com

user259867

Anyway. I'm not really unhappy about questions on Math.

user259867

11:38 PM

It's just that I find hunting spam both more interesting and intellectually rewarding than answering them.

user259867

For example: the link-ending heuristic needs some tune-up.

Braiam

Have you tried cleaning up the rollers? — Braiam 22 secs ago

I think the name is rollers...

user259867

11:56 PM

Spam URL never have more than one level in the path: host/path/etc/...

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