Tavern on the Meta

You should just have to create a new account and run the setup script with that login information, but it only works with stack exchange logins, not google or others.

user259867

The new account would have to be able to post in chat: 20 rep or explicit permission.

Tiny Giant

1:40 AM

^^^ that one

James

Is it bad that I read this question title as Non-homoerotic? mathoverflow.net/q/212984/74217

apnorton

Grr... My sockpuppet doesn't have 20 rep on Meta.

user259867

@James You're not the only one with such Freudian slips: mathoverflow.net/search?q=homoemorphic

apnorton

How does one get explicit permission?

Tiny Giant

talk to an RO

user259867

1:45 AM

Of which we have none around.

user259867

Or a mod. Which on Meta means an SE employee.

apnorton

I'll create a new room until I can get a mod or earn 20 rep.

Tiny Giant

See here under Owners of this room

apnorton

Ok. I'll wait before bothering them. I'd hate to get them to go to all that work and not actually have Smokey working.

user259867

SPAM english.stackexchange.com/q/264875

user259867

1:47 AM

Besides, the current wave is localized to English Language & Usage, so one can just as well watch the list of newest questions.

user259867

And use a bookmarklet for sound notification of new questions.

user259867

So this is the present that ELU gets for its 5th birthday... the site was created 2010-08-06 (UTC)

apnorton

Well. I created a new room, gave my sockpuppet explicit write access, and it gave me the error "users must have 20 rep to talk."

:\

I'll just find some way of getting 20 rep.

Tiny Giant

That might be a smokey error,

Do some edits

Or post an answer and two of us will upvote it

Make sure its good though, or I'll downvote it instead.

user259867

E.g., here... Present and future of bots on Stack Exchange

user259867

1:52 AM

(Strangely, no bots posted an answer there yet.)

apnorton

Would it be bad to answer this question (since the asker requested a comment bumped to an answer): meta.stackexchange.com/questions/262050/…

(I'd give a bit meatier answer, obviously.)

I can't really think of much to say on @NormalHuman's suggestion. :P

user259867

@apnorton Good idea.

apnorton

Ok. My well-hidden sockpuppet that only did one thing has now posted an answer.

Tiny Giant

And now it has 20 rep

And is visible in both rooms.

apnorton

It can't talk yet...

(Privilege not registered yet)

user259867

2:06 AM

Takes a little while to propagate to chat.

Tiny Giant

Ahhh, caching

user259867

Do you have Smokey set up otherwise?

apnorton

Almost.

I'm working on getting all dependencies up and running.

(I use python3, generally, but Smokey was written in Python2)

Tiny Giant

SO Close Vote Reviewers

This room is for support and discussion about reviewing and co...

33

36

You'll have to join that room with your smoke detector as well

user259867

Why?

Tiny Giant

2:13 AM

Give us smokey access?

user259867

Ah, assuming it runs...

Tiny Giant

Yeah, assuming it runs of course

apnorton

Yeah. Access still hasn't propagated to chat, and I'm getting a cookie problem for using Chatexchange. I'll get it to work, though.

(even if I have to tear it apart to set it up.)

I have chat access!

Charcoal Chatbot Sandbox

This description is a test.

Tiny Giant

!!/alive

apnorton

Ok, so the instance just crashed.

It tried to respond to your !!/alive post in SO Close Reviewers, but doesn't have chat access over there. I'll see if I can answer a question on SO.

I think it should work, though. Let me restart it...

!!/alive

Tiny Giant

2:25 AM

Ok

apnorton

Yeah, so it tried to talk and crashed.

I think I'm going to wait until my sockpuppet can talk under my control before running again...

The weird part is that I did speak using ChatExchange over here

Tiny Giant

I saw that

maybe try it in that room first, try doing what you already did there,then we'll check if he's alive

apnorton

I've added some debug printing...

!!/alive

Hm. It's getting a 404 error.

Tiny Giant

what's the full error?

apnorton

I'll find out...

!!/alive

James

2:33 AM

sad trombone

apnorton

!!/alive

Well. I found out the problem.

('404 Client Error: Not Found',)
404 Client Error: Not Found
ERROR:root:Attempt 1: denied: unknown reason u'You need 20 reputation to post messages'

So I just have to wait.

Meanwhile, I'll answer some stuff on SO.

Tiny Giant

Yep

apnorton

2:50 AM

So, I now have 20 rep on SO.

...but I still don't have chat access.

I'm going to go to bed soon, so it looks like tomorrow morning will be the earliest this might work.

user259867

Good night.

apnorton

'night.

user259867

SPAM english.stackexchange.com/q/264883

A Familiar Face

!!/alive

@AFamiliarFace You doubt me?

YAY!

Don't do anything in the SO room for a little while.

Err... I have access there, too, so Smokey is fully functional now!

user259867

\omega/

Lynn Crumbling

2:56 AM

@NormalHuman gone

user259867

(My TeX-shortcuts script subbed \omega for \o )

user259867

!!/test 密歇根州立大学学历认证

A Familiar Face

> Chinese character in title
----------
Title - Position 2-3: 密

user259867

@AFamiliarFace del

user259867

It works! We'll do without chat commands.

A Familiar Face

3:04 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] Chinese character in title, phone number detected in title: Q/微信1534584698办理莫道克大学大学毕业证成绩单学历认证Murdoch University by rordang1 on english.stackexchange.com

user259867

@apnorton ^ yay

A Familiar Face

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title, chinese character in title: 办理澳洲悉尼科技大学毕业证(QQ微285347871)成绩单学历认证 by dickxv on english.stackexchange.com

James

WOOOO!!

Smokey

Smokey's back

@Shog9 this is the 2nd day of Chinese degree mill spam on english.stackexchange. While we all have slightly more flags than yesterday, could you possibly work your regex magic? Please?

tchrist

Sigh.

Shog9

yes

James

3:16 AM

Thankyou!!!!!

tchrist

@Shog9 Yeah, thanks. Cerb and I had to crash last night and Tavern didn’t have enough ELU flags to keep it at bay very well without us.

Lynn Crumbling

cheers

user259867

Now that ELU has the block... who's next?

tchrist

@James 101 reps? Since when?

James

Since always

I'm trusted cause of my SO rep

user259867

3:18 AM

Aha, Chinese is now blacklisted network-wide, presumably with exception for language sites.

durron597

@NormalHuman Like ELU?

Shog9

Exceptions are: SO, meta.SE, chinese.se, japanese.se, ja.so, and anime.se (and their associated meta sites)

apnorton

Ok, I'm back for a quick question: would it be better if everyone was a privileged user until tomorrow when I can figure out chat commands, or for no one to be privileged?

durron597

@Shog9 what about ELL?

tchrist

They don’t need Chinese.

user259867

3:20 AM

@apnorton "everyone" sounds good. We'll find out if this is actually an issue. :)

Shog9

@durron597 does ELL need CJK for some purpose?

apnorton

ok.

Shog9

This is what is blacklisted, FWIW:

CJK Unified Ideographs

The Chinese, Japanese and Korean (CJK) scripts share a common background. In the process called Han unification the common (shared) characters were identified, and named "CJK Unified Ideographs". Unicode defines a total of 80,388 CJK Unified Ideographs. The terms ideographs or ideograms may be misleading, since the Chinese script is not strictly a picture writing system. Historically, Vietnam used Chinese ideographs too, so sometimes the abbreviation "CJKV" is used. This system was replaced by the Latin-based Vietnamese alphabet in the 1920s. == CJK Unified Ideographs blocks == === CJK ...

apnorton

!!/alive

durron597

@Shog9 What does 您好 mean in English?

A Familiar Face

3:21 AM

@apnorton plz send teh coffee

apnorton

@AFamiliarFace del

Shog9

@durron597 is that a real question?

durron597

@Shog9 I don't know, I don't have an account on ELL

James

@Shog9 I think it's an example question

but I can't see why it's needed

user259867

Is it feasible to waive the regex blocks for users with 10+ rep? I.e., make it a part of new user restrictions?

durron597

3:22 AM

I'm not sure if that's the sort of question that's appropriate on ELL

Shog9

not tonight

entirely possible these can be blocked with much more care, but... I'm eating right now and then I think I might sleep.

tchrist

I’m kinda impressed you did that so quick without any new dev support. Guess everything was already in place.

Shog9

ya

James

Shog is god, why are you questioning him?

durron597

I suppose all the questions that can be answered by google translate are not good questions for ELL... so I've answered my own question.

user259867

3:24 AM

I hear sleeping right after a meal is unhealthy. Refining regex blocks is good for digestion.

Shog9

yeah, regex really works up an appetite; vicious cycle

Cerberus

I wonder what we'll do if the spammers switch to English...

Andy

@Cerberus Learn Klingon

Cerberus

Such a fuss!

Shog9

funny enough, we have a different system that works pretty well for English but completely fails to be useful for these because they don't have proper word breaks

Cerberus

3:27 AM

How about if all posts by new users would have to be checked for spam by experienced users before being published? Spam only, not quality or topicality.

apnorton

@AFamiliarFace false

Cerberus

@Shog9 Hmm how does that work? No false positives?

user259867

Yeah, a Pre-Triage review queue before Triage.

tchrist

@Shog9 Defined "proper word breaks". :) But I know what you mean. You have to use those other fancy Unicode break properties.

Cerberus

@NormalHuman Only for the repless.

tchrist

3:28 AM

@Cerberus That’d be a lot of work for only a few spammers per real N first-timers. Plus they’d get discouraged.

user259867

A problem with boring review queues with no real impact is that only robo-reviewers are interested enough to review there. And a few maniacs, of course.

Cerberus

@tchrist I don't know, how many are there? The approval shouldn't take long if it's site-wide?

tchrist

First Posts from New Users Review Queue.

We have that.

apnorton

Hmph. It doesn't look like I'll figure out how they managed the chat commands tonight. I'll do that tomorrow.

Shog9

for spam-killing on SO, there's Triage; for everywhere else, there's The Smokey Tavern.

tchrist

3:30 AM

But they aren’t in Coventry until then.

Cerberus

@NormalHuman But if you only have to glance at the question? Spam is very easy to spot, and it should be about spam only, and only for single-repped users.

user259867

@apnorton No problem, it works fine without chat commands (hichris runs it this way too on occasions). Thanks for not being as lazy as us.

tchrist

I don’t relish inflicting Triage on everyone. It’s a bit soul-crushing.

apnorton

@NormalHuman My pleasure. It wasn't too bad, and now I understand a lot more about how this chatbot works.

durron597

@tchrist Not as soul crushing as the constant Unsalvagable questions in H&I

tchrist

3:31 AM

@durron597 Or on any site.

Shog9

there are sites that have a backlog of First Posts, and those only require one review... Triage would simply not work on most sites.

Cerberus

Flagging down all the spam last night was surely more boring than a spam queue, and many people had to do the same question for it to disappear!

user259867

sites => Android.SE and AU

Cerberus

How does the triage work here?

tchrist

SO has a special review queue called Triage.

Otherwise Tavern has to catch ’em.

user259867

3:32 AM

@Cerberus Efficiency of scale.

user259867

I like being able to enter review, get 20 posts, and be done.

user259867

On a small site, you enter review, see 0... then again... then you stop checking.

Cerberus

True...

tchrist

checks Normal’s close-vote reviews :)

Cerberus

@NormalHuman But they could be in the chat feed?

durron597

3:34 AM

@NormalHuman Except CVs on Programmers.SE. Easy to get 20 there every day

user259867

@tchrist You don't see most of them; I use custom-made review.

tchrist

Crazy Russian magic again.

I actually don’t get at most of mine that way either. Different strategies.

Must finish git-committing before I forget where I was.

Braiam

leave the note for your future self

tchrist

Those are called commit msgs. :)

Braiam

durron597

3:40 AM

Anyone know when the tag badge script runs?

It's gotta be any minute now right?

Braiam

300 UTC

durron597

no way, because my totals haven't changed and I got 260 rep on SO yesterday.

apnorton

!!/alive

A Familiar Face

@apnorton plz send teh coffee

apnorton

(one last check before bed... I cleared out a noisy print.)

tchrist

3:42 AM

!!/help

A Familiar Face

@tchrist I'm SmokeDetector, a bot that detects spam and low-quality posts on the network and posts alerts to chat. A command list is available here.

durron597

!!/coffee

A Familiar Face

@durron597 brews coffee for @durron597

durron597

!!/lick

A Familiar Face

@durron597 licks ice cream cone

user259867

3:43 AM

Okay, now it's clear that all essential commands work.

3

durron597

@NormalHuman Wait, there's one more

!!/blame

A Familiar Face

@durron597 It's A Familiar Face's fault.

5

durron597

tests complete

James

That literally couldn't have worked out any more perfect

A Familiar Face

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: Google Now launches when headphones are plugged in by IdontgivvAdamn on android.stackexchange.com

user259867

3:56 AM

@AFamiliarFace tpu- Actually, - is a bad idea...

user259867

@AFamiliarFace tpu

user259867

Okay, no confirmation commands for now.

durron597

Still no tag script, it's 0406 UTC now :-/

user259867

6

A: When is tag score calculated?

Tag scores and tag badges are all updated by a process that runs daily at 03:00 UTC. Note, however, that the process has a history of failing on Stack Overflow - so they may not actually get updated every day.

user259867

So, today is an unlucky day. Wait until 3:00 tomorrow.

durron597

4:12 AM

40

Q: Tag badges are being awarded incorrectly

On Stack Overflow, I have 428 java questions answered with a total score of 775 as of the writing of this post. However, I was just awarded the Java tag badge. It seems that this is happening to a lot more people than just me. Tracked tag badge incorrectly shown as earned Incorrect tag badge...

bug status-completed badges tag-badges tag-score

user259867

Yay, @Undo's back!

user259867

There's a Smokey instance running as @AFamiliarFace ... (thanks to apnorton).

user259867

It doesn't (yet) handle the responses though.

Undo

!!/alive?

SmokeDetector

@Undo Yup

Undo

4:16 AM

Thanks @NormalHuman, life got in the way :)

(assuming it was you because... really who else could write math.stackexchange.com/questions/1088028/…? :P)

user259867

No, it's @apnorton.

user259867

Who is probably sleeping by now, so I'm not sure what to do with two instances now.

user259867

!!/alive

SmokeDetector

@NormalHuman Watching this endless list of new questions never gets boring

Undo

@NormalHuman I !!/stappit'd it, and it didn't respond to !!/alive.

in Charcoal HQ on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 8 mins ago, by Undo

!!/stappit

user259867

4:18 AM

Ah, okay.

Undo

yeah. Anyway, thanks @apnorton :)

And @ProgramFOX for hosting it most of the time I was gone

sleeping time, cya folks :)

durron597

cv-pls dupe stackoverflow.com/questions/31823379/…

Because I don't have my badge yet wahh :-P

SmokeDetector

4:42 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title: What Function Does Testosterone Play In Muscle Growth? by user478218 on superuser.com

SmokeDetector

5:00 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title: Diet Ideas For Weight Loss by Lawre nceue on magento.stackexchange.com

user259867

!!/report superuser.com/questions/950925/improved-stamina-and-also-energy

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Manually reported question: Improved stamina and also energy by Claudio Terrill on superuser.com

[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklisted website in title, url in title: http://jetcheats.com/angry-birds-2-cheats-tips-and-tricks-for-android-ios-mobil‌es/ by user50504 on drupal.stackexchange.com

[ SmokeDetector ] Link at end of body: Safe in use product by caraedragon on drupal.stackexchange.com

user259867

sd 2tpu- fp-

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, link at end of body: Enhances Your Skin’s association? by hirdanormy on drupal.stackexchange.com

user259867

!!/report money.stackexchange.com/questions/46316/…

SmokeDetector

5:10 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] Manually reported answer: Can I submit a hospital bill for reimbursement from my FSA if I am on a 12mo payment plan? by Fred Peterson on money.stackexchange.com

user259867

!!/report askubuntu.com/q/656703

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Manually reported question: You-can't truly identify one area of your system by user436555 on askubuntu.com

> Url in title
----------
Title - Position 1-21: http://superuser.com

user259867

!!/report superuser.com/questions/950933/…

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Manually reported question: Identifying the issues and then warriors solving by asfasdgsf on superuser.com

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: Returning To Previous Scene In Same Condition by lmao on stackoverflow.com

user259867

@SmokeDetector tpu-

SmokeDetector

5:31 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title: what are the best online trainings? by dhana12 on stackoverflow.com

U̶n̶i̶h̶e̶d̶r̶o̶n̶

@SmokeDetector tpu

SmokeDetector

@U̶n̶i̶h̶e̶d̶r̶o̶n̶ Blacklisted user and registered question as true positive: added title to the Bayesian doctype 'bad'.

SmokeDetector

5:54 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title: Boosting your Testosterone Booster review by Jarnasonyid on superuser.com

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title: http://www.geoplugin.net/javascript.gp is being redirected to porn site by Kuldeep Singh on stackoverflow.com

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, link at end of body: Best wieght Tappio ja Natural Silm Body by audreytiaylor on meta.stackexchange.com

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: Is Might Gai the strongest Taijutsu user? by Godslayer6 on anime.stackexchange.com

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title: 90’s simply ought to vacant fifa 15 coins ps3 by user120408 on gaming.stackexchange.com

user259867

6:15 AM

!!/report meta.stackexchange.com/questions/192612/…

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Manually reported answer: For a logged-out user, disabled "Add comment" link no longer annotated by Wei Fan on meta.stackexchange.com

Patrick Hofman

^ That is a new spammer with actual content next to the link. Spammers are getting smarter

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title: Using third party plugin makes be being redirected to porn site by Kuldeep Singh on stackoverflow.com

user259867

@SmokeDetector ignore-

user259867

@PatrickHofman copied from another answer, of course

Patrick Hofman

6:18 AM

@NormalHuman Ah, indeed. Good eyes :)

U̶n̶i̶h̶e̶d̶r̶o̶n̶

Is this close-worthy? The answer reveals that the issue has nothing to do with programming. stackoverflow.com/q/31816936/3622940

DroidDev

@U̶n̶i̶h̶e̶d̶r̶o̶n̶ no-repro, I guess....

U̶n̶i̶h̶e̶d̶r̶o̶n̶

kk

I'm voting to close this question because it is caused by a design failure that was resolved in a manner that is unhelpful for future readers, and that the problem itself would had been resolved par user's own inspection. — Unihedron 5 secs ago

Dronehinge

@U̶n̶i̶h̶e̶d̶r̶o̶n̶ i saw 1 close vote on that question earlier, then you voted, then i did, but still only showing 2, someone must of retracted

now i show 3

Patrick Hofman

@Dronehinge that was me

Dronehinge

6:26 AM

ok, i try to only retract when question shouldn't be closed at all since you don't get to use that vote again, it's just wasted

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating characters in answer: How many rooms can merge together? by user120409 on gaming.stackexchange.com

Patrick Hofman

@Dronehinge me too, so don't know who actually retracted. This question should be closed indeed.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Email in answer: Different weights on different temperatures - load cells and ad620 by Dr V S V mani on electronics.stackexchange.com

user259867

@SmokeDetector fp- it's about anti-spam

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title: Using third party plugin makes me being redirected to porn site by user303235 on serverfault.com

[ SmokeDetector ] Pattern-matching website in answer: How to add parameter to api request using WebClient.UploadString in C# by Deepraj Singh on stackoverflow.com

[ SmokeDetector ] Chinese character in title: QQ微信956290760办理格拉斯哥大学毕业证认证成绩单University of Glasgow by fsafefsafe01 on stackoverflow.com

James

6:45 AM

Oh good they picked the one site where everyone has millions of closevotes

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: Does an iron rich substance stay magnetised? by user87521 on physics.stackexchange.com

James

sd fpu-

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