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1:00 PM
Time to listen to a Japanese metal version of Tonari No Totoro.
Hmm. About a week ago I flagged this guy for suspicious voting behaviour - his questions nearly always end up with two very quick upvotes. Sturgeon's law could explain the behaviour but it's rather consistent. Anyone else have an opinion? Not that it matters really, unless you're a mod, I guess.
@J.Steen Looks odd. Checking activity is easy for a mod. I'll mention it...
Oh. And those same, last five or six questions have all been favourited. I don't get it. The questions aren't that good. They're rather crap, in fact.
Oh. And the double upvotes always come at nearly exact same time, according to his rep-history. But I don't know if it obfuscates.
I "oh" a lot today.
@J.Steen Users can favorite their own questions.
@J.Steen I sometime favor questions I find suspicious, perhaps someone else does the same?
1:14 PM
Holy crap, I can favourite my own question.
For what possible reason?
Now upvote it
Uh. Why?
I believe it will indicate activity on portions of the question where you aren't normally notified (ie. a comment to an answer). Then in your profile tab you can still see that "something" has occurred
1:16 PM
Oh, favourites aren't secret. Cool.
Interesting patterns emerge...
Sanja Jokic and Andrej Panic favorited the same posts.
But they are at 1 rep, so couldn't do anything else.
Yes. And are both 1-rep users.
Created the same day.
The third user has 1 upvote on each of his questions. Could also be coincidence, of course.
ANd has upvoted once today. Not that that matters. I just love stats.
Same two users favoriting all his questions...
Three, actually.
So. Yeah. I definitely smell a voting ring.
Hah. All questions asked since those two 1-rep accounts were created have 2 upvotes.
How much rep does it take to be able to upvote?
It's been six years, I forget my own noob-dom.
Ah, 15.
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title: Build strong muscles with this supplement by mycle davil on drupal.stackexchange.com
1:26 PM
@SmokeDetector tp gone
@Mooseman Registered question as true positive: added title to the Bayesian doctype 'bad'.
@J.Steen Yeah, so that weakens the theory. It may be that their posts were deleted, taking rep with them. But that would mean the action was already taken.
@Woodface Yup. The third account, however, has - had - upvote privileges though, since feb 6. It apparently got a downvote.
1:27 PM
^ another answer on the same question.
Lots of spam in that.
Yeah, this is the 3rd one. From June 2013, I might add.
I don't think that's spam, actually.
I think that's a genuine attempt to help.
>>add-b-a-spam (?i)luxurycasino\.co\.uk
1:29 PM
User of more than 1 year.
@Sam Term added!
@J.Steen Well, look at their other posts. user
Well, alright.
Spammer with 19 posts... the mods are sleeping at Poker.
This does no answer the question at all and is just promoting a specific site. I would down vote if I could. — Halvard Jul 3 '13 at 15:07
1:34 PM
Users are clueless. :(
^ same user as before
Uh oh, I came late
1:37 PM
I missed the flagging act :p
You get over the thrill after the first few thousand, trust me. Referring (mainly) to flagging, that is.
Could you stop digging up every single question ?? — Radu Murzea ♦ Jun 17 '13 at 7:23
Mod complaining to the spammer that they are bumping too much. :/
Har har har.
1:41 PM
@tchrist I can't bring you peace and joy, as those lay dormant in your hearts, dreaming of your shared future. Instead, I will yell loudly and wake them up.
@Woodface Pinged the mods in TL.
@Unihedro Your tenses confuse me.
@tchrist :[
Your confusion tenses me.
Did you mean lie in the present tense instead of lay in the past tense?
1:43 PM
Then why is can’t in the present tense? If lay is past tense, I’d’ve expected couldn’t.
The can’t garden-paths one to read lay as a present tense verb, which would be really bad.
Hum. Yeah. That jars a bit.
Your confusion confuses me.
@Unihedro Define lay.
1:45 PM
@SmokeDetector fp
@Woodface Registered question as false positive and added title to Bayesian doctype 'good'.
ffs. and the 59k-person-edit didn't help much. stackoverflow.com/questions/29100641/…
What’s a below, anyways?
A misspelled bellow.
I was on the fence between unclear, or typo, or why-no-work...
Moreover, the second one blows.
1:47 PM
badump tish
The post with the most revisions on SO is.... drum roll
A question which should be destroyed.
Sorry, tag. And belonging questions.
...and the most edited question:
Q: Should BaseType of System.Object be the same as interfaces?

Ken Kin summary typeof(ISomeInterface).BaseType is null; typeof(object).BaseType is also null by definition. Thus: typeof(object).BaseType==typeof(ISomeInterface).BaseType -> true It could (semantically) mean System.Object is an interface, too, doesn't it? In c#, all classes inherit from System.Ob...

1:49 PM
@tchrist I'm sorry, was that English?
@J.Steen I oft-loath questions regarding Oh For The Love Of All That’s Holy.
@tchrist Ohh. Double meaning and recursive acronym, of a sort.
This information is incorrect. I'm not on the leaderboards.
But you made them?
1:54 PM
[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: JPQL TREAT AS /LEFT OUTER JOIN by Darth_Blade on stackoverflow.com
I'm trying to convince someone that developing an app for X is overkill. I'd like to use cost as an argument as well. Roughly, how much would it cost to get someone to code a simple app for iOS, android and win phones? Say something that provides the program of a conference nicely separated into browsable sections.
I mean, are we talking hundreds or thousands of $?
@terdon Automation?
@Unihedro ?
Show them the xkcd comic!
@Unihedro Ah, that one :)
1:56 PM
Apps without function are useless. It costs less to make a website with responsive layout for something like a conference program.
Then you can use any device.
Except your car. Unless it has a browser.
@J.Steen Google Hangouts crashes on mobile.
No automation involved. It's a one-off thing. They ware organizing a conference and want to provide the program as an app. I'm trying to convince them that a mobile-optimized website is both better, cheaper and simpler.
@J.Steen My point exactly.
@Unihedro Google Hangouts has function. It should be an app.
Let me amend that: It has rich features that require more than what the web is traditionally supportive of.
1:58 PM
Holy crap, Wikimedia (owners of wikipedia) are suing the NSA. Now this is a thing I'd be happy to donate towards. https://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/03/10/wikimedia-v-nsa/
Oh oh oh!
But how much would it cost, more or less, to get someone to write a simple app like that. I am assuming we're in the range of 1 or 2k bucks.
Like geocities.
@terdon There are rough app cost estimators online, based on features.
@terdon I'll do it for $2k :p
I'll do it for 20k. Do I win?
1:59 PM
@Mooseman Hell, I'd do it for 2k myself :)
I'll do it for twenty bucks.
copy paste
@Woodface Oh? OK, let me have a look. See if I can find one.
@Unihedro Want a job?
There are too many -.-
2:00 PM
@J.Steen It doesn't have *nix?!
@Unihedro Not an app-platform! That's apk-platform.
No, wait. pkg.
@J.Steen Thanks, I'd just found that.
@SmokeDetector fp It's ok to talk about Nike on Sports
@Woodface Registered question as false positive and added title to Bayesian doctype 'good'.
@Unihedro It has www, that'll do for *nix. And it has Android which is a *nix.
2:01 PM
That's what I come up with. =D
@Pham gone
I <3 json ajax responses
Six people, 47 days. My GAWD.
What the hell is this, IBM?
A small web app with no features costs $2,136?!
And that's if you ask Kinvey to do it!
204 days, 7 people, 100k if you DIY it. WHAT.
They're taking the piss.
So yeah! Website. =)
Yeah, that's ridiculous. I'm sure you can get an individual developer to do it for far less. I just don't see it falling below 1 or 2k.
2:06 PM
I developed an app which is estimated to cost 100k in less than 6 months, alone!?
I need to ask for a raise.
You do!
... Huh, does app development really go that high? I usually ask for paychecks in the hundreds.
I'd charge a base-price of (with current exchange rate) 120 bucks an hour.
I don't know what prices in other countries are. =D
Foreign currency exchange is most easily handled by first converting bucks into does.
@Unihedro And you work on mobile apps? What would you charge for an app that essentially provides a searchable PDF? We're talking static text/images arranged in sections. Say ~10 pages or so with some clickable links and a search function. It should work on ios, Android, Windows Phone and probably Blackberry.
Note that I'm not offering a job (not in my power), just looking for a rough estimate.
@tchrist I'm trying to convert bucks into do nots though.
By now you should be aware already that my estimates are severely lower than even mediocre estimates. xD
@Unihedro But are still probably higher than what these guys expect. If you're a professional dev, I'd like to know what those estimates are. Roughly.
Can someone point out how the question detected by @SmokeDetector is offensive? Can't see anything offensive about it. Would tp it but am not a privileged user for SmokeDetector.
@SmokeDetector fp, since it's actually a quote, but dunno if it's useful
2:13 PM
@AndrewT. Registered question as false positive and added title to Bayesian doctype 'good'.
@ʎǝʞuoɯɹǝqʎɔ It contains the word f**king.
@ʎǝʞuoɯɹǝqʎɔ The word "model", probably.
Oh. That one then :)
Argh, can't see deleted chat messages here! Sigh, mod blues.
missed that :)
2:14 PM
It was in the quote. People gloss over quotes. =D
I guess it's fine if it's quoted. Woe betoe anyone who edits that out, lol.
here is the question, if you want to see it again
@ʎǝʞuoɯɹǝqʎɔ It's the spam filters.
I dared.
@J.Steen You have a heart of steel, lol
2:17 PM
Google Play Store will introduce age-based rating (like ESRB)... hmm...
Don't care, already rooted to get rid of it :D
just saying, since as a developer I got an email from Google :P
Google, your new hand-holder.
(While Microsoft is trying to be the Hip Beard Dad)
And Apple is your a-hole brother who tells you your taste sucks.
And let's not mention *nix. It's like the smelly aunt in the corner that noone wants to wake up because she might pinch your cheeks and offer linty mint candies.
@J.Steen And they ban anything that's even so slightly customized in the themes.
@J.Steen Hey, at least they're easier to get along than Windows.
2:21 PM
@Unihedro I dunno, Hip Beard Dad drinks IPAs. Aunty just drinks sherry and has a neck beard.
Stereotypes are fun.
@Unihedro Also, Hip Beard Dad gives you a ride on his (admittedly not all that cool) motorbike, while aunty expects you to build a kit helicopter by yourself.
Using wood glue.
Wait, that's just a stereotype, right? xD
And I thought everyone hated *nix only because OS X is Linux and Macs are freaking expensive?
Macs were more expensive when it wasn't *nix.
OS X > Windows > Classic Mac
2:25 PM
People tend to forget that.
woah, beta site themes changed
Quick! Is there a userstyle to revert it?
There are too many sites. >.<
Hey! Looks like new SO now. ;)
@Doorknob they made the rows in the mod dashboard waaaay too close together
@Undo [discussion] [bug] [specific-question]. xD
2:28 PM
@Undo Really? Looks okay to me.
The new theme is so... simple.........
@Doorknob hm, maybe I'll get used to it. Is stat highlighting broken for you too?
Q: How might one create a room in which time flows faster?

Conrad ClarkAnd what would be needed to expand this effect, scaling up to the size of a city, or maybe a country? I've seen this question, and it seems that while one could do it with gravity, the effectiveness and side-effects would be rather undesirable. Please note that while I'm looking for a "plausible...

It's full of stars...
wait, they removed the post preview?! so now the only way to see the post that was flagged is to click the expand button? D:
2:28 PM
@Doorknob looking at a comment flag?
/me complains
oh, whoops, right :P
Har har.
It looks weird, though, with the title vertically centered.
I Always though that if you where called Majin Bu you could just yell loud enough and make your way in-out of the room
with no problem at all when you cross the line
and half of you run at normal time and half at fast time...
2:30 PM
this is absolutely infuriating
Mmm, developer CDO.
Have you noticed that many disorders are named... ironically?
The lack of "button" on the top menu confuses me.
Like OCD. It's not in alphabetical order.
> Questions Tags Users Badges Unanswered Ask Question
Or "lisping". How cruel is that.
2:32 PM
@Doorknob it's vertically centered on Anime & Manga, at least for me on Chrome...
@AndrewT. It's only off on sites with longer names (Programming Puzzles & Code Golf, Motor Vehicle Maintenance & Repair)
Q: Awesome new beta site design breaks user cards in flag queue

UndoI love the flat new design for beta sites. One thing I noticed: Usercards look different in the mod queue vs. the rest of the site: ... vs. the mod queue version: I like having it more condensed, but it feels awkward having so little padding at the bottom.

CSS-scaling. Gotta love it.
2:34 PM
@Undo Why "Awesome" new beta site design?
@Doorknob Here, have some more OCD from a piece of software I'm developing:
@Unihedro 'cause it's awesome.
Q: Site name is not vertically centered for beta sites with longer names

Doorknob Arrrgghhhhhh!!! This only affects beta sites with longer names, such as Programming Puzzles & Code Golf, Motor Vehicle Maintenance & Repair, and Music: Practice & Theory. I'm using Chromium 40.0.2214.111 on Ubuntu 14.04.

Designs breaks everything yet again. xD
It brings out the OCD in everyone.
2:38 PM
Also, flags are blue in the top bar and orange in /admin. This annoys me.
Q: Helpful flag text box is trying to escape from the popup in the new beta design

UndoWith the new beta design, the helpful flag reason textbox on flags doesn't have enough padding to the right: Compare with the decline box: Could we make the helpful box less cramped?

@ʎǝʞuoɯɹǝqʎɔ Yep, prolly the same issue
This looks, feels, smells, and sounds like a "which lib can I use" request. Amazingly, the OP didn't actually use the words, but it clearly is talking about libraries that support certain functionality.
Q: Badge count font size is way too small on beta sites

Doorknob Why are the numbers so much smaller than the "awarded" text? It looks quite awkward. (The number is 10px, and "awarded" is 13px.)

2:41 PM
I'm cv-ot-off-site-res.
many bugs :P
@LynnCrumbling Agreed, flagged the question as OT, but could do with some CVs too.
Reproduced in Chrome on Windows. Failed to reproduce in FF and IE 11. — Mooseman 35 secs ago
@ʎǝʞuoɯɹǝqʎɔ There's 2 cv's atm... hopefully others close as well.
2:48 PM
Two-pronged attack on design bugs.
@gunr2171 What are you thinking about that godaddy tag?
3:01 PM
@SmokeDetector fpu, poor ramdev...
@AndrewT. Registered question as false positive, whitelisted user and added title to Bayesian doctype 'good'.
Q: How to build my own Linux distro?

baba ramdevSuppose, I've downloaded my kernel from http://kernel.org/ Now, How should i add desktop background with Mouse pointer, control panel, wallpapers etc.? Please help, Surely help would be appreciated!

Flagged as too broad though.
@LynnCrumbling ?
or is this an old message at this point?
how do I choose between and ?
specifically for this question:
Q: Pagination too close to deleted answers

Martin BüttnerWith the new beta design, while the spacing between the pagination and a normal answer's title looks really nice, it looks very crammed if the answer at the top is deleted: I don't know if this affects other sites, but the designs (beta or not) seem to be fairly consistent, so I think this mig...

3:17 PM
and he self-answered with a spam answer
@Pham gone
@MartinBüttner Don't. Use both if both are applicable.
> For questions about the user interface elements (inputs, checkboxes, etc) that make up this site. For questions about the design of elements, use the design tag.
^ user-interface
so, no
I would say that the pagination is definitely a user interface element
3:23 PM
well, SE team doesn't think that
I'm rather wondering whether "design" is really applicable here, or whether that is used more in an aesthetic/artistic sense
@Braiam they don't?
@Braiam Note the etc.. Pagination is most certainly a way for the user to interface with the system
oh you were referring to the bolded part
3:25 PM
[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive body detected: Who was the traitor that sold out Old Hoxton? by 0-frame links on gaming.stackexchange.com
in that case, yeah definitely "etc"
@Undo context Undo, context. Input and checkboxes doesn't strike to me the same as pagination
buttons are also <input> in the context of HTML. I don't see much difference between a link and a button here.
Yeah, that seems more design-y to me. It's that the design of the page is messed up, not that the UI is.
We're kinda bikeshedding at this point, though....
but, but... we love bikesheds :(
3:30 PM
@SmokeDetector fp quote
@JanDvorak Registered question as false positive and added title to Bayesian doctype 'good'.
@Braiam so?
@Undo UI is for problems about how you interact with the site (I click button, stuff happens) and design is for how I see stuff without the need to interact with it (box is too big, hides stuff, or color is annoying, etc.)
in this case (red background of deleted answer colides with another element) doesn't strike to me as an usability (interactive if you must) problem
a CSS fix would be enough
what the... why the star wall is filled with ~1 stared messages
definitively a slow day :(
we need more Bart!
You can vote on a question before it's migrated, and your vote will carry over and give the OP rep on the new site, then visit the page in the new site and vote again. So you can vote twice on migrated questions. I don't like that.
Low Quality A (TPA'd by Sam): jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj, by jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj, on cooking.stackexchange.com.
3:43 PM
I wish there was a way to attribute the vote to the user who voted, if that user has an account on the site that the post was migrated to.
... community wiki?
@Unihedro the whole thing's cw
> asked 4 years ago
pre-"we shouldn't accept crap" era
3:47 PM
@Braiam you rang?
Hey look, it's traB!
1 1
... Wait, you only had one sock?!
This one isn't a sock ...
3:49 PM
> My not-so-sockpuppety test account.
@Bart Well, that makes sense: seems kinda hard for glasses to have socks.
@Bart ha!
@hichris123 they have... cases?
@Braiam Hrm, what if someone cleaned their glasses with their sock?
Woodworking launched today
3:51 PM
@Mooseman IO registration starts in 9 minutes!
@Frank Wood!
How much wood would a woodworker work if a woodworker could work wood?
@Frank This is the link to get access without signing up. In case anyone wants to.
@Woodface I just clicked "sign in" and hijacked the signing process.
@Woodface That wood work ... haha ... get it ... sigh ... one of those days.
@Unihedro 23.45 squared
3:54 PM
@SmokeDetector fp
@hichris123 Registered question as false positive and added title to Bayesian doctype 'good'.
No posts on meta yet. F1rst P0st!
@hichris123 O_O
@Frank don't show it to Frank... oh wait
in Woodworking on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 20 secs ago, by J. Musser
Oh no! Don't cut me down and work me!
3:59 PM
@hichris123 if you'd rephrase it perhaps. Wondering if someone else had any luck with it, isn't really a question
@SmokeDetector fp, ugh, maybe I made that filter a little too strict, "uk passport"
@hichris123 Registered question as false positive and added title to Bayesian doctype 'good'.
@Bart true. to editing!
Low Quality A?: CACA PIPI POPO XDDD XDDDDDDD XD, by BEN LADEN lol xDDD, on dba.stackexchange.com.
Or abusive?
4:03 PM
Low Quality A (TPA'd by bummi): CACA PIPI POPO XDDD XDDDDDDD XD, by BEN LADEN lol xDDD, on dba.stackexchange.com.
@Bart better?
@Pham gone
@Pham gone
@Frank Both past 2 mins.
@hichris123 yep. And Brad thought the same apparently.
4:30 PM
@SmokeDetector fp
@Woodface Registered question as false positive and added title to Bayesian doctype 'good'.
This is the site I'm talking about - android.stackexchange.com - so which site would you recommend me to ask this question? I still think it's very relevant for StackOverflow, whether it's programming or not. We have a tag "google-play" here, and there's no programming related to Google Play. — Nuno Peralta 1 min ago
"And there's no programming related to Google Play." Hmm.
4:46 PM
^ is that an emoji on the end of the post?
It renders in Chrome Canary on Windows.
Low Quality Q (TPA'd by Undo): what's the best tv shows 2015?, by best tv shows, on ux.stackexchange.com.
^ spam
sigh... android.stackexchange.com/questions/102807/… (flagged as off-topic again)
Basically, there's no site for app store on SE currently. I guess I've read some meta posts on MSE before, but can't remember it.

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