Tavern on the Meta

Huh... apparently there's a keyboard shortcut to change the color scheme on Windows that I've just invoked accidentally. Any idea what that shortcut is?

J. Steen

8:35 AM

Maybe they have a huge quality problem and there are MILLIONS of deleted questions.

You may have activated high contrast mode.

Which is left Shift + left Alt + PrtScn

Jan Dvorak

It switched me from Aero to basic

J. Steen

That's unusual. Usually a crashed graphics driver does that.

Jan Dvorak

could be that pop-up "windows thinks your computer is too slow" popping up at just the right time

is there a way to disable that?

J. Steen

Yes.

I don't think so.

answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-pictures/…

COMPETING QA-SITE.

Apparently, there is a way.

I suspected it was the "automatically adjust" thing, but I haven't had Windows 7 in years.

bummi

ushh ... superuser.com/q/885789/172747

Andrew T.

8:39 AM

> 64 Had this question

A way to reduce NAA!

J. Steen

@AndrewT. Also called upvoting, on SE. >.>

Andrew T.

The link "Me too" will subscribe to the thread. Probably closer to "Star/favorite" thing.

J. Steen

I hope @JanDvorak clicked the "Me too" link. <.<

@AndrewT. Hmm. True enough.

bummi

spam askubuntu.com/q/592994/184892 I was waiting for

Jan Dvorak

65 now

once I login, that is

J. Steen

8:41 AM

Pesky logins.

I remember a time when we could leave our front doors unlocked, our Facebook accounts password-less, our phones without pin-codes!

(no, I don't)

Jan Dvorak

Keys exist since ancient Egypt at least

J. Steen

@SmokeDetector Tempted to comment, "If you're asking yourself, why post it here?"

@JanDvorak I know. Humans have always coveted others' things.

Andrew T.

@SmokeDetector fpu, though hichrist probably could answer that

SmokeDetector

@AndrewT. Registered question as false positive, whitelisted user and added title to Bayesian doctype 'good'.

Jan Dvorak

aaah, a scrollable window full of checkboxes. I love these.

Especially when none of them do what I expect

J. Steen

8:51 AM

Hah. =)

bummi

here we go superuser.com/a/885796/172747

J. Steen

here we go what?

bummi

I wanted to avoid prejudice (spam IMHO)

J. Steen

Down down down to the temple of consumption?

Jan Dvorak

Maybe

Bart

9:03 AM

Not entirely sure I want to spam flag that one

J. Steen

It's entirely incorrect however, since the OP is specifically asking about photoshop.

bummi

you have to pay for a solution without watermark

J. Steen

I can't downvote. =(

It's somewhat suspicious behaviour though.

But, users are always suspicious.

Rather - behave suspiciously.

Andrew T.

Note sure if it's a spam. The answer also mentioned "mac", but the link provided will show "windows" too, which made me doubt if it's a spam or just a random user providing random answer.

J. Steen

Probably simply clueless.

So. Quadruple shot espresso latte still works on me, just not as well as the first time.

Andrew T.

9:08 AM

Yeah I guess so. Searching his name on Google didn't return anything product-related.

J. Steen

Some cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/28873535/…

Andrew T.

Anyway, that blurry answer is gone....

J. Steen

Likely spam-flagged.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: HP STOREEASY 1430 8TB SATA STORAGE by user3933193 on superuser.com

J. Steen

What I wouldn't give for downvote-privileges...

Except time to actually get it.

bummi

9:21 AM

@J.Steen mhmmm, should not take to long?

J. Steen

Not at all. Just too lazy.

bummi

@J.Steen What I wouldn't give for downvote-privileges... ;)

J. Steen

Like I said - except time to actually get it. =D

bummi

13 edits

J. Steen

Not even that.

I've got 111 rep.

bummi

9:26 AM

then go for it ;)

J. Steen

Toooooo laaaaaaazy. Just like most question-askers.

Also, SU seems like a den of scum and villainy. ;)

meeting

SPArchaeologist

@J.Steen Could rename it "Buccaneer's Den", like in the Ultima videogame series city

Alexis King

0

Q: The Low Quality Posts review queue is growing... let's burn it down!

A little over a year ago, we held the memorable community burnination of the close-votes queue. This has little to do with that. The close votes queue is so massive that it's practically a beast of its own. This is not a problem anywhere near the same scale. That said, the Low Quality Posts queu...

bummi

spam superuser.com/q/885812/172747

SmokeDetector

9:41 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title: Best Moisturizer For Aging Skin by alica wioz on meta.stackexchange.com

bummi

@SmokeDetector tpu

SmokeDetector

@bummi Blacklisted user and registered question as true positive: added title to the Bayesian doctype 'bad'.

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title: Best Moisturizer For Aging Skin by BNaloct76 on drupal.stackexchange.com

bummi

@SmokeDetector tpu

SmokeDetector

@bummi Blacklisted user and registered question as true positive: added title to the Bayesian doctype 'bad'.

nicael

10:02 AM

The only site where I has 2 great posts :)

J. Steen

VLQ Rangers, Go!

SPAM stackoverflow.com/questions/28875104/…

Andrew T.

darn, i flagged it already

it's not a spam, he's quoting the pricing from Google Compute Engine

J. Steen

I flagged it from triage. ;p

Andrew T.

and the question is in Chinese

anyway, it's VLQ and off-topic

J. Steen

So, knowing not to flag it as spam requires knowing chinese.

My bad, I guess?

Andrew T.

10:11 AM

I also don't know Chinese, I used Google Translate too. Anyway, it looks like a spam, so it's understandable.

J. Steen

If everyone bothered to google translate everything that goes through the queues, I can understand why they're growing. =)

But, kudos.

Jan Dvorak

I should write a userscript to automatically translate any page that looks like it's not in english. oh, wait, Chrome has that built in already (sorta)

J. Steen

In this case, I was too quick on the trigger. My defence is the sheer amount of crap that goes through SO.

@JanDvorak Only when the majority of the page is in another language.

Andrew T.

That's why I gave up on VLQRQ

As quoted,

2 days ago, by Famous Blue Raincoat

Watching this endless list of crappy question does get boring, it turns out.

J. Steen

Yeah. I starred that message.

I keep forgetting we can edit stuff here. It's not natural.

Andrew T.

10:16 AM

On SE, everything can be edited, because.... collaboration!

(wrong advertisement)

J. Steen

Except other people's chat messages. =D

Jan Dvorak

Nothing on the Internet is natural... except health pills

J. Steen

Okay, enough fun.

rene

(removed)

Let's take some coffee shall we?

Jan Dvorak

Already had one

rene

10:22 AM

So? I already had two. Third is in the making...

Coffee coffee coffee

@rene addiction?

sure

I can stop whenever I want .... just don't want to.

Jan Dvorak

@Bart ... false? Also, nice message ID

Bart

10:28 AM

@JanDvorak true. rubs forearms .... gets another coffee

J. Steen

11:20 AM

I'VE HAD COFFEE.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title: Skin Care Basics You Must Use To Achieve Healthy Skin by odilr rudyer on meta.stackexchange.com

J. Steen

IT WAS NICE.

SPAM stackoverflow.com/questions/28876783/…

WHY does the cash-tag exist?

Jan Dvorak

23 questions

burninate?

J. Steen

I'm looking through them to see if there is any valid use...

Yeah. Burn.

Jan Dvorak

spam sitting at -5

J. Steen

11:36 AM

I think it's gone now.

12 cash-questions left.

c'mon cache!

(which is what half the questions were referring to anyway)

There. 0 questions on "cash".

Braiam

11:57 AM

@rene meta.stackoverflow.com/a/287423/792066

rene

Ah, do we still need to do something there?

J. Steen

status-compreteru?

So many reasons to close: stackoverflow.com/questions/28877398/…

Braiam

well, Shog deleted a bunch outright

rene

12:42 PM

Am I ignored here or is my advice not sound?

Bart

@rene seems he followed it: meta.superuser.com/questions/9191/…

rene

Ah, didn't notice that... tnx

SPArchaeologist

2:02 PM

This answer is a perfect copy of this. What to do?

user259867

@SPArchaeologist How do we deal with plagiarized answers?

Patrick Hofman

Don't blantantly copy an answer from someone else. You are violating the license and risk your answer to be deleted. — Patrick Hofman 8 secs ago

What about that? And a NAA flag?

user259867

@PatrickHofman NAA flag would not work, since reviewers won't know what the deal is. Custom flag maybe, if he user is active in doing this... which they are not.

Jan Dvorak

Maybe if reviewers read the comments...

SPArchaeologist

@FamousBlueRaincoat thanks, on the main meta site there wasn't a so clear position.

user259867

2:11 PM

The user is an unreg who wasn't seen since posting that. Maybe the comment+downvote is enough (option 1 in Cody Gray's answer).

Patrick Hofman

2:23 PM

@FamousBlueRaincoat I agree with jan. The downvotes should help too.

Should we have a plagiarism flag reason?

nicael

meta.stackexchange.com/review/reopen/37761

Um :/ rep changes still exist, why leave closed???

bummi

@SPArchaeologist flag OTHER there are strict penalties for plagiarism

rene

that ^^^^ specially because someone edited

SPArchaeologist

@FamousBlueRaincoat actually, I don't really agree. If we trust the the CC by-SA 3.0 license - attribution required - de facto that post is against law. So it will have to be removed or conformed to the legal requirement by edit. Just downvote is a big no for me

Patrick Hofman

@SPArchaeologist I didn't just downvote. It was about visibility of something wrong. The flag was the most important part.

rene

2:31 PM

Just flag other with as reason Plagiarism - This is full copy of this stackoverflow.com/a/7388873/578411 without attribution and move on...

SPArchaeologist

@PatrickHofman sorry Patrick I replied to the wrong post. Was the raincoat there....

bjb568

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Shadow Wizard

(removed)

@nicael becaused it can't be reproduced by anyone else. You made tons of... weird... stuff with your reputation in the past.

Feeds

3:09 PM

Here's how we upgrade a live data center at #stackoverflow: http://blog.serverfault.com/2015/03/05/how-we-upgrade-a-live-data-center #SnowOps

Tweeted by Nick_Craver on March 5, 2015 at 3:04 PM

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: LIBGDX HTML GWT COMPILE ERROR by SuperUser on stackoverflow.com

bummi

@SPArchaeologist user removed

user259867

3:37 PM

@Feeds Yay finally the SnowOps post. Will take some time to read.

bjb568

Morning!

Mooseman

Morning!

user259867

Donuts!

bjb568

(no skewl again)

user259867

Ridiculous school district you're in, in a ridiculous state.

bjb568

3:41 PM

:P

user259867

'Bout to ship something pretty damn big pretty damn early. The 'S' in March stands for SHIP IT.

Tweeted by tinkertim on March 5, 2015 at 3:02 PM

user259867

Want to have some fun? Sneak up behind someone and yell WHAT HAVE YOU SHIPPED? as loud as you can. They'll ship something, guaranteed :)

Tweeted by tinkertim on March 5, 2015 at 3:03 PM

bjb568

@FamousBlueRaincoat I thot it was for pluralization bug…

user259867

@bjb568 That too

user259867

I still haven't caffeinated enough, so am slow to realize there is no S in 'March'

SmokeDetector

3:44 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: ERROR 1054 (42S22) by Nilton on pt.stackoverflow.com

bjb568

Random thot while drinking water: Saying that diversity is decreased while using a system where potential hirers have to answer questions / do tests that get analyzed by an AI thing fed by data from existing employees (as apposed to interviews) is like saying selective breeding creates a more diverse genome space than evolution by natural selection.

Mooseman

This is beautiful:

rene

The best part is that those network cables are live...

Mooseman

My data has gone through those :D

bjb568

:D

user259867

3:51 PM

But the blog doesn't mention the most Twitter-famous cable that was ever plugged into any of those servers.

balpha

sure it does

> We didn’t mention this was a charge-only cable. Wow, that one riled twitter up. We appreciate the #infosec concern though!

user259867

Oh. missed it at the end of a long list. Need yet more coffee then.

Bart

That's so dangerous, to plug in a cable like that .... troll

Tim Stone

@balpha I'm sure Nick appreciated the general public's trust (or lack thereof) in his sanity too. I still think they should have used that mounting rail to try and cook a pizza on top of the server. Gotta go all in!

DroidDev

@bjb568 I wonder if you bunk the skewl just to post that message :P

bjb568

3:58 PM

What's bunk mean in that context?

Is it oldpeople slang or something?

DroidDev

we say that we bunked classes or skewl when we miss the class or skewl...so...

bjb568

Oh.

Here we say "skip".

DroidDev

thatz valid 2

rene

Here we call that spijbelen

user259867

> In South Africa, the slang used is bunking, mulling, skipping or jippo. In Jamaica, it is called skulling. In Guyana skulking. In Antigua and Barbuda, it is called skudding. In New Zealand and Australia truancy is called wagging, bunking, "jigging", ditching, or skipping school. It is called bunking (off) or skiving or wagging[citation needed] in the United Kingdom and India, mitching, wagging or on the knock.

DroidDev

4:01 PM

._.

user259867

> In Wales, sagging. In Liverpool, bunking or cutting class, doggin, skiving, playing tickie or puggin. In Scotland, on the hop, on the bunk, mitching, beaking, skiving, doggin it or on the beak. In Ireland, mitching, on the hop, dossing, on the duck or skiving. In the United States and Canada expressions include hookey, playing hookey, ditching, dipping, jigging, sluffing, skipping, cutting class, or simply just cutting.

user259867

> In the province of Newfoundland and Labrador, the act of truancy is known amongst youths as "pipping off", and truant students are described as being "on the pip". In Trinidad and Tobago, it is referred to as breaking biche. In Singapore and Malaysia, it is referred to as fly. In the state of Utah a sluff is a commonly used word referring to a truancy. In Pakistan it is referred to as bunking. In India it is "Bunking" in English and "Dumma" colloquially.

DroidDev

.__.

bjb568

.___.

user259867

@rene Your term isn't listed on Wikipedia

DroidDev

4:03 PM

.

rene

@FamousBlueRaincoat well, blame wikipedia, I'm always right

user259867

You can edit it in then.

DroidDev

@FamousBlueRaincoat actually it is. Just take a look at middle name :P

user259867

Section 9 of the datacenter upgrade plan is the best.

user259867

> Power down NY-BACK02
Find where George put the H830
Pray there’s a PCIe slot free (prayer not successful)

rene

4:39 PM

I'm looking into this now and assign blame accordingly. — Jin ♦ 3 mins ago

Undo

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/q/28879438/1849664

Unihedro

4:51 PM

Help edit these two questions into shape!
http://stackoverflow.com/q/28870568/3622940
http://stackoverflow.com/q/28870180/3622940

Undo

I've got the first one

rene

I've done the 2nd one

Frank

here am I

rene

I am here

Feeds

best thing about being CEO of Stack Overflow? If I want to know what anybody's doing, I can just read Hacker News http://blog.serverfault.com/2015/03/05/how-we-upgrade-a-live-data-center/

Tweeted by spolsky on March 5, 2015 at 4:15 PM

nicael

5:09 PM

2

A: Let the upvotes be green!

Oh. Just look. Can I believe my eyes? Is it green now?

AstroCB

@nicael Huzzah! But there's still this problem...

nicael

@Astro This the greatest ever color!!!!!!

AstroCB

@nicael Quite an odd choice, though.

Meta post?

They're slacking on announcements these days...

nicael

That's interesting..

AstroCB

^ I really like this queue, except for the fact that you're forced to leave an edit summary (although I can see why they'd want you to do that).

Suggesting that we suggest further changes to the question in edit summaries is an interesting choice, though.

bjb568

5:23 PM

Some of the stuff is unsalvageable.

AstroCB

@bjb568 You only have the option to skip or edit (even if it doesn't need editing at all).

bjb568

Yeah, annoying.

rene

Amazing the short term memory of some users

AstroCB

This is the example they give you for an edit summary:

> Welcome to Stack Overflow! I edited the title of your question to include the name of the function you're calling, so more people with knowledge of the subject will see it. I also indented your code sample by 4 spaces so that it renders properly - please see the editing help for more information on formatting. Please edit in the specific error-message you're encountering in case that's necessary to identify the specific problem. Good luck!

I'm pretty sure that exceeds the character limit.

How are they going to do audits?

user259867

5:40 PM

@AstroCB Do audits even make sense in that queue? The posts were already identifying as needing improvements; this queue is an action phase, not really a review.

AstroCB

@FamousBlueRaincoat True, but they have them for all of the other queues.

Undo

Does anyone have examples of the low-quality posts queue deleting "wrong" answers?

'cause I'm writing a meta thing and so of course they all disappeared.

bjb568

Frank

Any slackers here?

bjb568

hehe, spam supporter is squarewavin

user259867

5:47 PM

@Undo Do you want examples of answers deleted from review that were later undeleted?

Undo

@FamousBlueRaincoat Sure, anything

Really I'm after cases where the queue deleted things it really shouldn't have

rene

@AstroCB thanks for interfering with my edit!

So the posts are not locked while you edit...that is useless

AstroCB

@rene You're most welcome.

rene

:)

AstroCB

This queue is pretty intensive.

rene

5:51 PM

Yeah

Frank

7 inches and falling here. Snow is now officially evil.

rene

I'm afraid I'm not getting a badge from it....

Jan Dvorak

@Frank kill it with fire

user259867

@Undo Undeleted answers that were deleted from review. Now, most of these have been edited since, so ... maybe they did deserve deletion in their past form.

Frank

@JanDvorak lol

user259867

5:52 PM

@JanDvorak xkcd says it's not going to work

user259867

I should have added last edit date to that query, but don't have time now.

Undo

it's fine

user259867

6

Q: Help Improve The Help & Improvement Queue!

A short time ago, we introduced the new triage queue - a place where users can quickly sort questions into various categories, where one of those categories is 'needs improvement'. Until now, we've been alluding to a special place where questions that weren't quite ready for prime exposure could ...

discussion featured review se-quality-project

Frank

and this is hilly country, so driving up a steep hill in 5" of snow is fun... I passed two other trucks (one small 4x4 f150 and a big monster diesel Ram 3500 dually) that were stuck part way up and slowly sliding back down.

Undo

ugh

Frank

5:54 PM

is conceited how good at driving he is

My truck (with proper maneuver) went right up that hill no prob.

rene

6:08 PM

@FamousBlueRaincoat I've done 8 so far... you'll need some spare time in that queue

Andy

When a 2K user edits a post, is that information presented back to the owner via the topbar the way a suggested edit it?

AstroCB

1

A: Help Improve The Help & Improvement Queue!

I really like this queue. It's a great way to help fix up posts and get the necessary information out of the asker so that their question is ready to be answered, and it saves a lot of clarifying time later that could be used for answering the question. However, there are, I think, few problems:...

Mooseman

@Andy Yes; the op gets a "answer|question edited" notification.

Andy

@AstroCB, I utilized one of your edits as an example of noise in my answer. No offense intended, you just happened to have edited the review I came upon

3

A: Help Improve The Help & Improvement Queue!

Piggy-backing on my previous answer, I have a question about this: Comment moderation tools are also active, if you see noise that needs to be cleaned up it's easy to flag. Are the comments added via this queue useful in the long term? As I've skipped through many review so far, I've encoun...

AstroCB

@Andy No problem; I got tired of adding substantive descriptions, and I'll actually probably use that example in my own answer. Thanks for letting me know.

Mooseman

6:21 PM

@FamousBlueRaincoat Still less than 1.21 gigawatts :)

Nobody knows Back to the Future anymore :/

Andy

@Mooseman Kids these days.

AstroCB

Wait; the edit comment isn't mandatory?

It appears some users are using the comment purely as an edit summary. Maybe there should be a check box or something so leaving a comment isn't mandatory. (At first glance the comment appears to be mandatory.) — Radiodef 9 mins ago

Or is he just suggesting that it shouldn't be?

Andy

I read it as suggesting it shouldn't be

bjb568

2

AstroCB

6:45 PM

Posts are supposed to be locked - we screwed up and added a huge number of duplicate tasks, which inadvertently put 2-3 editors on each post simultaneously. Should be fixed now. — Shog9 ♦ 3 mins ago

rene

OK, that should be better

Kevin Brown

The new queue literally just disappeared on me

404'd

TLama

Hm, those comments are really annoying stackoverflow.com/review/helper/7247642

Andy

@KevinBrown You broke it! It's @KevinBrown's fault everyone!

2

@TLama Nice. That single review actually hits both my my answers on the Meta post: How many see the question and are these comments really helpful?

Undo

Queue is back

Andy

6:57 PM

@Undo has undone (ha! stupid pun) @KevinBrown's breakage everyone!

bjb568

kickstarter.com/projects/265641170/… lol dat video

Undo

@bjb568 "Free of poisonous materials" Uh yeah, except for that lighter fluid you just sprayed into it.

bjb568

:P

Undo

One of those things is going to explode and kill someone's cat.

bjb568

:O

topatoco.com/…

Undo

7:10 PM

oh I want that to wear when people talk about how "chemicals" are bad for you

TRiG is Timothy Richard Green

Thinking of changing my name on most sites to "TRiG the editor". It's by far the bulk of my activity on most sites (and the bulk of my rep on some, not that I really care about that).

user259867

@TRiGisTimothyRichardGreen So you're going to empty out that new queue, good.

user259867

> As I mentioned, we're making this available a bit sooner in its development cycle than we would normally make something of this significance available to test.

user259867

This explains the remarks after yesterday's meeting.

user259867

Management implies somebody knows what is actually going on. You know. In theory.

Tweeted by kevinmontrose on March 5, 2015 at 1:09 AM

Shog9

7:20 PM

So our original goal statement for this queue was, "pisses off everyone who reviews in the normal queues, delights both of the people who click edit in the normal queues"

2

user259867

It does not delight me. I don't like being shouted at by highlighted text in the sidebar. All those exclamation points.

user259867

Though not relevant, because <2000 on SO.

Shog9

Those were meant for @AstroCB

bjb568

LQ stackoverflow.com/q/28848561

Kevin Brown

I think this queue would be fantastic if people understood the difference between "Unsalvageable" and "Should be improved" in the triage queue

3

bjb568

7:25 PM

Kevin Brown

I'll admit, sometimes I'll hit a borderline question in the triage queue but at least now I realize what happens after I hit "Should be improved"

user259867

@KevinBrown I predict the new queue being mostly a place where people go to open the questions in a new tab and vote to close.

AstroCB

@Shog9 Heh.

For more clarity. I accent key words — Konrad Krakowiak 44 mins ago

Shog9

what do you think, should I just shorten it to EDIT THE DAMN TITLE, ASTRO!!!

AstroCB

Absolutely.

@AstroCB This is the problem with edit summary -> comment.

Shog9

7:32 PM

I donno... Maybe more people will reply to these now.

Please don't do that, @Konrad. It's no more clear, it's just more bold. — Shog9 ♦ 58 secs ago

Jan Dvorak

Title blindness is a common disease.

AstroCB

Alright, who upvoted that?

Shog9

Granted, bold text makes everything better

4

Undo

Italicizing makes even bold text better

AstroCB

@Shog9 Ok I'm sorry For me it was more clarity I will not do this any more — Konrad Krakowiak 38 secs ago

^ That worked.

Shog9

7:34 PM

SEEEE!!!

AstroCB

@Shog I was thinking of the title box (I couldn't look back to the queue because I used up all of my reviews).

Then I remembered this:

2 hours ago, by AstroCB

> No one writes good titles. That's why we put the title edit field after the body - so you'd get to it after having read the body. Think it looks ok? You're probably wrong. Edit it to say something useful.

2

That was jarring at first, but I like it.

Jon Ericson

Yes. I actually think this would be a good option for new users. Half the time, we'd be better off picking ~~a random~~ the first sentence from the body than using the title the OP suggests.

user259867

I think this addition is going to make clear that "Unsalvageable" is too strong a word for the third option in Triage, and that Should be Improved is too vague.

3

user259867

> Should Be Improved for questions where edits by the author or others would result in a question that is clear and answerable

user259867

"by the author" is an option there. So the button suggests using this option for questions where the author needs to add information.

user259867

7:46 PM

And then it pushes the question for 3rd parties to edit.

AstroCB

The great mystery has been solved:

0

A: What's up with this green?

This was a CSS bug. It's squashed now.

@nicael

user259867

So, my profile pic is now like a rare defective stamp. How much will it bring on eBay?

2

Jon Ericson

@FamousBlueRaincoat I think the image answers that question. ;-)

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