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user259867

12:02 AM

user259867

What happened there over the New Year's.. O.O... new beta is coming up, Engineering.

~50 people in under a week looks like, maybe some real life engineer was at a engineering xmas party and told everyone to join

Doorknob 冰

Or lots of sockpuppets...

Jan Dvorak

inb4 the site deflates again

user259867

Most likely, people wanted to know if there is a secret hat for committing to a proposal.

Doorknob 冰

12:07 AM

There seem to be a lot of 51-rep default-Gravatar users in the "most recent" list.

Sompuperoo

~41 out of the last 50 are like 51 rep users, that don't seem to have an account on any other site but area51 , strange indeed... so that proves the secret hat theory wrong, but xmas party still a possibility

user259867

So their rep comes from posting 5 questions to the proposal and getting an upvote on each? I wonder why 51.

hichris123

@Behaviour huh

@Sompuperoo Or maybe it was shared somewhere?

Sompuperoo

@Behaviour I think they start out at 51 rep there? so if you have assosciation bonus you start out with 151 ?

user259867

But if they have no other SE account...

Sompuperoo

12:13 AM

area51

hichris123

reddit.com/r/engineering/comments/2qxytd/…

^ that's it.

user259867

@Sompuperoo No, there are plenty of 1-rep users on Area 51.

hichris123

> What is a stack exchange?

> There are so many smart people, it's sometimes demoralizing after the awe wears off.

Sompuperoo

> You'll earn your first 50 reputation by confirming your email address.

from area51.stackexchange.com/faq

hichris123

> It's like Reddit but different.

Doorknob 冰

12:15 AM

> I wish there would be a SE site just for any question...

hichris123

A lot different.

Doorknob 冰

answers.yahoo.com

user259867

@Sompuperoo Thanks, never knew that.

bjb568

bounty expiring. meta.stackexchange.com/q/229764/237813 should I award it?

Sompuperoo

@bjb568 yea, no point in waiting

!comp newyear

bjb568

12:30 AM

¥1109.00 ($9.25) (3622 | TSE | December 25, 2014)

wat

user259867

> Input interpretation: Netyear group

bjb568

12:51 AM

ugh

postfix no work

Braiam

!comp new year

bjb568

I can send mail, but not receive it.

Braiam

!comp new year

bjb568

Thursday, January 1, 2015

Email client doesn't error, but after sending s u p p o r t at d e v d o o d l e .net mail, nothing shows up. cat /var/spool/mail/support spits out nothing.

I hate email.

Braiam

you can't send emails to yourself...

?

user259867

12:55 AM

Just don't implement support email at all. Do you want to spend the rest of your life digging through it like some CMs we know?

user259867

My New Year's resolution for 2014-54-12/30/14 Dec:12:1420001642 is to learn these stupid time formatting strings.

5

bjb568

@Braiam Sent from my personal email account to DD support.

I can somehow send emails from DD support via sendmail via nodemailer-sendmail-transport via nodemailer via node for account confirmation and from the mail client via SMTP things or something

Braiam

@bjb568 ugh... that's a mess, it goes from DNS to firewall/ISP crap

bjb568

Sounds complicated.

Wait a sec, I opened up a connection doctor thing and everything is borky.

Including gmail

Sompuperoo

@Behaviour anyone on history.SE? interested in seeing how common place it was for adults to send nude snapchat faxes to eachother back in the day..

Braiam

1:09 AM

if you use cloudflare that only adds a layer of headaches @bjb

bjb568

Never heard of that.

So probably not.

> Give us five minutes and we'll supercharge your website.

No you won't.

Sompuperoo

you could outsource DD's email support to gmail or yahoo mail?

bjb568

N UR WABSITE SUX

@Sompuperoo How?

Not yahoo tho.

Google is somewhat tolerable.

FSM! WHAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH MAILZ!

Sompuperoo

@bjb568 if you still want to have the support@dd address, you can log into google and add a email alias/whatever it's called, and they'll send you an email to support@dd , and then you confirm it, and then you can just email from your gmail caccount as devdoodle, send and receive, but maybe it won't work until your email is unborked

bjb568

@Sompuperoo What's the point of that? If I could access support@dd, I'd use it!

Braiam

1:14 AM

lets just say this... your DNS settings/provider sucks

which is the most likely cause

err... is .net right?

bjb568

devdoodle.net?

Well, the port isn't blocked or anything.

And I think this is right…

Braiam

yeah, it is

just digged

bjb568

Username and pass for email is the same as for the linux account thing I created, right?

hermph

Braiam

uhh.... no

bjb568

@Braiam Then what is it?

Braiam

1:22 AM

depends

how you set up postfix

Frank

Okay, everything's Jans fault

Qantas 94 Heavy

Morning!

Frank

Morning!

bjb568

@Braiam I don't know how I set it up.

Qantas 94 Heavy

Post of the day: "I can barely walk around in this code, so I need to be spoon fed a bit."

bjb568

1:24 AM

I edited some configuration files and there were errors. Then I forgot about it and outgoing mail magically fixed itself. Maybe DNS. Then I realized incomming no work.

Frank

Just used 85 flags on GL. #Cleanup

AstroCB

2

Q: Turn off [turn-off] for good

Looks like turn-off is a valueless muddle of ambiguity. The highest-rated questions have to do with [triggering events upon] "turning off" the monitor or computer or phone (?), *nix logging (??), an IDE preference (!), WiFi or microphone (!!), McAfee (?!), and so forth. In nearly all of these cas...

^Someone anonymously burninated it.

bjb568

Huh. Changed firewall for my router and now gmail SMTP works…

AstroCB

...and no longer anonymous.

bjb568

Oh FSM, I think I'm using a dovecot thing… whatever that is.

a shelter with nest holes for domesticated pigeons?

AstroCB

1:31 AM

Wow: cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/27736382/…

bjb568

Maybe I'm using a Cyrus SASL thing.

I have no idea what Cyrus or SASL is.

Does it have something to do with wrecking balls?

This is quite a puzzle.

I do know that I'm not using sql.

Or strongly think.

Frank

I need help with a bug.

in The Junk Drawer on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 4 mins ago, by J. Musser

I didn't favorite that

It says I favorited something I didn't

hichris123

@bjb568 CloudFlare is actually really cool.

bjb568

Their website is too awful.

I don't believe you.

Braiam

@bjb568 outgoing mail is easy

hichris123

1:40 AM

@bjb568 ?

@bjb568 Hold on a sec.

bjb568

O_O

hichris123

@bjb568 blog.cloudflare.com/…, blog.cloudflare.com/the-ddos-that-almost-broke-the-internet, blog.cloudflare.com/65gbps-ddos-no-problem

Frank

7

Q: How to remove an unfavorited post from my Stack Exchange overall favorites?

Sometimes when I unfavorite a post, it still appears in my Stack Exchange favorites (which shows favorites across all SE network sites). This is clearly a bug, but I don't know how to fix it. Clicking on "Sync with oldest profile" doesn't fix it; favoriting and unfavoriting again doesn't fix it....

bug favorites network-profile profile-sync

I have that bug also^^

I accidentally clicked (and immediately reversed) favorite on a post when downvoting a week ago, and it's still in my favorites list.

bjb568

@hichris123 Ok, sorta kool

Frank

in The Junk Drawer on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 1 min ago, by Zach Saucier

what's a word similar to "dive" that means look into or analyze?

halp plox

xD

bjb568

1:55 AM

analyze

look

looksee

dive

Frank

so helpful...

bjb568

eval

inspect

investigate

scrutinize

thesaurus.com/browse/analyze?s=t

Frank

^^ not similar to dive

bjb568

What's wrong with dive?

I dove in to the postfix configuration files

then died

Frank

It has to be similar.

But not the same

@bjb568 feelin sorry for ya

bjb568

1:59 AM

:P

Doorknob 冰

2:33 AM

@Frank delve?

gunr2171

hey, can someone do me a favor and type some message into the sandbox chat room

^ test complete, thanks behavior and doorknob

user259867

3:03 AM

!!/hats soon will be gone

SmokeDetector

@Behaviour HATS ARE AWESOME. Winter Bash will end in 2 days, 20 hours, 57 minutes and 2 seconds. :(

bjb568

:(

user259867

But on DevDoodle hats will be permanent, I hope?

NotDoorknob

3:24 AM

Bot initialized. Type ND>help for help.

ND>aww

^ it works! :P

graduated from botling already? fast learner :)

ND>hats

NotDoorknob

Unknown command hats.

Sompuperoo

3:26 AM

ND>aww

NotDoorknob

Sompuperoo

this is awesome, now don't have to use google image search no more :)

NotDoorknob

Doorknob 冰

in Botlings practice room, 58 secs ago, by Sompuperoo

ND>aww

in Botlings practice room, 24 secs ago, by Doorknob 冰

that's... not supposed to happen :P

SmokeDetector

3:53 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: TNS : 12541 PLEASE HELP by Ujjwal Rana on dba.stackexchange.com

bjb568

@Behaviour Yes, because hats will be part of your profile pic.

►

AstroCB

4:09 AM

-5

A: Scope of undefined variable in javascript

This is because variables in JavaScript are scoped to the functions. There is no scoping inside of a loop, and you cannot create a scope with curly braces.

NotDoorknob

AstroCB

^ 5 downvotes in 34 seconds

Infinite Snowflakes

@Sompuperoo Duck is on a diet ;)

Jan Dvorak

yet it is technically true

Infinite Snowflakes

@AstroCB: The question has 26 views; maybe it’s that obvious that this answer doesn’t completely address the question. — U2744 SNOWFLAKE ♦ 3 mins ago

AstroCB

4:14 AM

@InfiniteSnowflakes It's back up to 0 now.

4/-4

Jan Dvorak

ew

Infinite Snowflakes

*eww

AstroCB

It was tangentially related; it didn't directly answer the question, but it was the cause of the problem. I sense some bot activity (or revenge).

Jan Dvorak

SPAM drupal.stackexchange.com/questions/142060/…

If it didn't directly answer the question I can totally see why would someone think it's not relevant

AstroCB

Mod deleted the comments; my +5 "I find it incredibly odd that this question received 5 downvotes in 34 seconds" comment is gone.

@JanDvorak But -5 in 34 seconds? That seems a bit fishy, don't you think?

It was a good answer by a reputable user.

Jan Dvorak

4:18 AM

Good answer? Nah.

And high reputation could also mean you answer a lot

Doorknob 冰

@AstroCB I call it "good community moderation"

Infinite Snowflakes

The answer was above ok for me, so I cast an upvote there.

Jan Dvorak

You have to put a little more effort than just to technically solve the asker's problem before your answer can be considered useful.

AstroCB

@JanDvorak I meant "high quality" user, not "high reputation," but yes. And "good" is a bit of an overstatement, but it certainly wasn't -5 worthy.

Jan Dvorak

@InfiniteSnowflakes Fail

Infinite Snowflakes

4:20 AM

wat?

Jan Dvorak

@AstroCB you shouldn't vote based on current score

AstroCB

@JanDvorak I didn't mean it like that; I meant that I was surprised that 5 people would downvote it.

Especially so quickly.

Jan Dvorak

@AstroCB sit on the question -> hit "1 new answer" -> see a half-baked answer -> hit downvote

30 seconds is pretty benevolent here

AstroCB

@JanDvorak Possibly. I just thought it was odd. I was watching for 2 of the downvotes and they were immediately in succession.

Jan Dvorak

@AstroCB ergo not a man sock

Doorknob 冰

4:24 AM

> I was watching

Well there you go.

If you were able to see it in time, why wouldn't others be able to as well?

AstroCB

@Doorknob冰 I'm not arguing against that. Again, just observing.

Infinite Snowflakes

ND>aww

NotDoorknob

Jan Dvorak

Sit here for a while and see how fast responses to an event can comme.

Anyone else thinks it's a typo?

NotDoorknob

(removed) to you too, Infinite Snowflakes.

Doorknob 冰

4:26 AM

@NotDoorknob gah, I forgot to remove that one

hichris123

@NotDoorknob lol

ND> cat

NotDoorknob

Unknown command cat.

hichris123

lol

ND> Doorknob

NotDoorknob

Unknown command Doorknob.

Doorknob 冰

nnoremap <Leader>y mygg"+yG`y - Vim ftw! :P

hichris123

4:27 AM

ND> @Doorknob @Doorknob @Doorknob

NotDoorknob

Unknown command @Doorknob.

Infinite Snowflakes

@NotDoorknob Silly bot :P

hichris123

ND> choose @Doorknob @Doorknob @Doorknob

NotDoorknob

Choice: @Doorknob

Jan Dvorak

@Doorknob冰 less readable than perl

NotDoorknob

4:28 AM

Choice: @inf

Jan Dvorak

in JavaScript on Stack Overflow Chat, 2 hours ago, by Kendall Frey

Doorknob 冰

@JanDvorak Not really, if you know Vim (especially considering it's a sequence of keystrokes). my set mark "y", gg go to start of file, "+y yank to system clipboard, G end of file (yank to end of file), `y go back to mark "y"

Jan Dvorak

@Doorknob冰 That... could be useful

Doorknob 冰

So it's just a shortcut to copy the entire file to the system clipboard without moving the cursor.

hichris123

@NotDoorknob ?

Doorknob 冰

4:30 AM

Currently being used for the development of a userscript in which I'm too lazy to save to an actual file and load into Chrome. :P

in Botlings practice room, 2 mins ago, by Sompuperoo

ND>choose @Doorknob冰 @inf @somp @bjb

@Sompuperoo You know I could ban your ID from executing bot commands, right? :P

Jan Dvorak

@Doorknob冰 ^a ^c works for me

Sompuperoo

<- bad dog

Doorknob 冰

@JanDvorak Doesn't keep the cursor in place. Also, requires use of Ctrl key.

Jan Dvorak

Why mind the ctrl key? I'll be using ^v in just a second

Sompuperoo

lmao meta.stackexchange.com/questions/39389/…

Doorknob 冰

4:33 AM

@JanDvorak Too much effort to reach. :P (and yes, I'm that lazy, even with capslock mapped to Ctrl)

NotDoorknob

imgur.com/fXks18B

Jan Dvorak

@Sompuperoo that was like... two downvotes in right one after the other. Years after last activity.

@Doorknob冰 is your pinky missing?

Doorknob 冰

@JanDvorak If I used Emacs with all of its C-x M-x S-x butterfly madness, then yes, it would be

Jan Dvorak

@Doorknob冰 does Vim have code folding?

hichris123

@Doorknob冰 Why doesn't it talk in the room the command was given in?

Doorknob 冰

4:35 AM

@JanDvorak yup

@hichris123 because I'm a bad programmer? :P

bjb568

3

Ooh here's a nice gif

NotDoorknob

Bot killed manually

Doorknob 冰

@NotDoorknob fixed, rebooting

Sompuperoo

@bjb568 a ball that moves down and confetti is so much better

NotDoorknob

Bot initialized. Type ND>help for help.

bjb568

4:39 AM

ND>help

Doorknob 冰

... hello?

alive?

It'd dead, Jim

Bot killed manually

Who's jim anyway?

oh... 89 != "89"

4:40 AM

@Doorknob冰 wat

Use JS

Jan Dvorak

@Doorknob冰 unless it's javascript

Doorknob 冰

@bjb568 ew

Jan Dvorak

It doesn't even type-check in Haskell

bjb568

cv-pls dup chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/2855706#2855706

@Doorknob冰 YUM

NotDoorknob

Bot initialized. Type ND>help for help.

Doorknob 冰

4:41 AM

ND>help

NotDoorknob

Type ND>listcommands to list all commands that the chatbot can execute, or ND>help CMDNAME for help on a specific command.

Doorknob 冰

fixed

bjb568

ND>listcommands

NotDoorknob

List of commands: help, listcommands, eval, admin, prefix, choose, aww

bjb568

ND>admin what's this do

NotDoorknob

4:42 AM

Adding an admin requires admin privileges.

bjb568

Oh

good

Doorknob 冰

ND>help admin

NotDoorknob

Run with no arguments to list admins or with a userid as an arugment to temporarily add admins for this session (requires admin privileges).

Doorknob 冰

used for e.g. ND>prefix foo

Jan Dvorak

ND> admin

NotDoorknob

4:42 AM

Admin ids: 180276

bjb568

ND>choose ND>aww ND>listcommands ND>prefix

NotDoorknob

Choice: ND>listcommands

bjb568

Oh, it prefixes it with choice.

Sompuperoo

ND> DROP admin

NotDoorknob

Unknown command DROP.

bjb568

4:43 AM

ND>prefix what's this

NotDoorknob

Setting the prefix requires admin privileges.

ND>prefix -

Prefix set to -.

Oh, the ND> thing

-now you can do this

4:43 AM

Unknown command now.

-aww

-listcommands

:)

List of commands: help, listcommands, eval, admin, prefix, choose, aww

Jan Dvorak

4:43 AM

-prefix :

NotDoorknob

Setting the prefix requires admin privileges.

Doorknob 冰

-prefix :

bjb568

-eval .1+.2

NotDoorknob

Eval result: Error in eval: constant Net::HTTP::Persistent::Thread not defined

Prefix set to :.

Doorknob 冰

@NotDoorknob ^ it always does that on the first eval for some reason.

bjb568

4:44 AM

: 0.1 + 0.2

Doorknob 冰

:eval .1+.2

NotDoorknob

Unknown command 0.1.

Eval result: Error in eval: (eval):1: no .<digit> floating literal anymore; put 0 before dot
.1+.2
^
(eval):1: syntax error, unexpected '.'
.1+.2
^
(eval):1: no .<digit> floating literal anymore; put 0 before dot
.1+.2
^

Doorknob 冰

:eval 0.1+0.2

NotDoorknob

Eval result: 0.30000000000000004

bjb568

WRONG!

Jan Dvorak

4:44 AM

close... enough?

bjb568

:P

Infinite Snowflakes

Dec 24 '14 at 16:52, by Shog9

this bot thing is starting to get irritating

Unknown command P.

:D

Unknown command D.

4:45 AM

:O

NotDoorknob

Unknown command O.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: WEB DEVELOPEMENT by Anjel Joshi on programmers.stackexchange.com

^vlq

:C

Unknown command C.

4:45 AM

Dec 24 '14 at 16:52, by Shog9

this bot thing is starting to get irritating

Doorknob 冰

:goaway

NotDoorknob

Unknown command goaway.

Bot killed manually

Doorknob 冰

-> chat.meta.stackexchange.com/rooms/815/botlings-practice-room

bjb568

:?

Jan Dvorak

5:03 AM

nuke-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/27737575/…

Jan Dvorak

5:25 AM

SPAM drupal.stackexchange.com/questions/142064/…

SPAM drupal.stackexchange.com/questions/142065/…

bjb568

Montana: everything

everything: else

else: which

which: is true

true: up to a point

point: the problem out

user259867

New Markov chain botling?

bjb568

I'm just analyzing the spam.

:)

DroidDev

MEW @bjb

bjb568

MEEEW :D

Jan Dvorak

5:30 AM

combo x2. Combo over

Infinite Snowflakes

@SmokeDetector and @Pham are exemplary bots because they keep bot messages in the Tavern to a minimum. Other rooms are available for debugging and playing with bots, please use those rooms.

5

bjb568

ur no fun

n u use condescending lang

which means that u talk down on us :P

Infinite Snowflakes

Dec 24 '14 at 16:56, by hichris123

... I think I know why you did that, @Shog9. For some ahem kick action ahem? :P

bjb568

n u kick too manyz

Infinite Snowflakes

@bjb568 Sorry, but when you have the power to act, you have the responsibility to act and fun dies :(

Andy

5:43 AM

@InfiniteSnowflakes cough

bjb568

Or just not act and everybody lives happily ever after except the people who don't like fun.

Andy

nudges Zephyr

Infinite Snowflakes

@bjb568 Everyone stops after I inform them...so...

bjb568

N U DISCRIMINATE AGAINST BOTS

@InfiniteSnowflakes What's your point?

user259867

@bjb568 That's the "if you don't like it, ignore it" philosophy that some people want to apply to SE sites.

bjb568

5:45 AM

@Behaviour This is a chatroom. Wild things happen in chatrooms.

Infinite Snowflakes

@Andy Oops, I forgot Zephyr. Sorry. It is an exemplary bot.

Andy

@bjb568 Yet, they still have rules

bjb568

meh

user259867

But this is a ... somewhat special chatroom. Meant for visitors with problems to drop by and have them sorted out, possibly by some of those ghostly images on the right.

Andy

It's always the quiet ones you have to watch out for, @InfiniteSnowflakes.

bjb568

5:46 AM

@Behaviour wat

user259867

Yes, that was the purpose of the room once upon a time.

bjb568

Not now.

Infinite Snowflakes

@Andy Point taken :)

DroidDev

@Behaviour you dare call me ghostly? oh wait... Do I need to change avatar? :P

user259867

You're not...

anorton

5:47 AM

He means ghosts like me.

user259867

Anyway, gnat's link collections are excellent. I wonder how he organizes all of them.

user259867

given that suspended user was very active in closing and deletions, best we can do is to stronger push SE team to work on se-quality-project. I bet his frustration has a lot to do with waterfalls of garbage flooding the site. And I bet another suspended hi-rep user has been frustrated by this. Another hi-rep user left another SE site voluntarily but they wrote an explanation here that looks really appropriate. "At some point, maintaining and curating a site became work and not fun..." — gnat 8 hours ago

user259867

A classic YCS post there; somehow I haven't read it until now.

bjb568

Possible spam seed: parenting.stackexchange.com/q/18153/9608 :P

So much crap there

user259867

But now you know you should rewrite DevDoodle in Scratch.

bjb568

5:51 AM

O_O

del stackoverflow.com/questions/2825856/…

Infinite Snowflakes

I second what BoltClock and AlexK have said. The fact that you can't see the stuff now, doesn't indicate that it didn't happen. A lot of people spend a lot of effort in removing crap before others can see them, we don't leave stuff lying around. Related: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/271184/… — Infinite Snowflakes 1 min ago

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