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12:00 AM

That sounded harsh, it wasn't meant to; I've done the same thing, and been downvoted, and deserved it.

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They were called "FKEY resources", and they were Mac OS "CODE" resources renamed to "FKEY" with Resource Fork IDs 0 - 9

System suitcase

The System suitcase was one of two principal files comprising Mac OS from the original release to System 9.2.2, the other being the Macintosh Finder. The suitcase was located in the System Folder along with the Finder file and contained keyboard layouts, FKEY resources, sounds, and in System 6, bitmap fonts and Desk Accessories. Prior to System 7, the Font/DA Mover had to be used to move these into or out of the System suitcase. From System 7 and on, the Finder could open and modify the contents of the file. Over the course of subsequent releases, many of the user-serviceable items store...

> In System 6, the string "Help! Help! We're being held prisoner in a system software factory!" appears in the data fork <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_fork> of the System file; in System 7, it was updated to "Help! Help! We're still being held prisoner in a system software factory!". Later versions of System 7 alter the message further. A list of credits also follows in each case

I love it

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@TheUnhandledException Nice!

I wonder if anyone ever found that and went to the cops.

Either believing it to be true or getting the joke but trying to fool the cops.

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LOL. I remember seeing it when I tried to hack around in the system software. Prior to Mac OS 9, all applications / executable code on Mac OS was stored only in resource forks. opening apps with a text editor would normally show a 0 byte, totally empty file

Tim Stone

@GraceNote I had just finished digging a nice tunnel, so I figured that a small break couldn't hurt. ;)

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@TheUnhandledException Fascinating!

Tim Stone

12:04 AM

@TheUnhandledException While it does seem that way...No, actually, let's go with that. :P

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I sense sarcasm :-)

Grace Note

@TimStone I see. But this has been a long break, hasn't it? ♪

Voyagerfan5761

I'm having trouble logging in to Stack Exchange with my primary OpenID. Something's screwy on my WordPress site and I get either "No OpenID Endpoint Found" or:

> Unable to log in with your OpenID provider:

The OpenID Provider issued an assertion for an Identifier whose discovery information did not match. Assertion endpoint info: ClaimedIdentifier: technobabbl.es ProviderLocalIdentifier: technobabbl.es/author/voyagerfan5761 ProviderEndpoint: technobabbl.es/index.php/openid/server OpenID version: 2.0 Service Type URIs: Discovered endpoint info: []

I've never seen that mismatch error before.

Tim Stone

@GraceNote Hm...you may be right. Perhaps... unacceptably long. o_o hears Minecraft noises echoing in the back of his mind

@TheUnhandledException RE: Switch statements: That is what the chat uses, but :P

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@Voyagerfan5761 You're probably going to want to post that to MSO.

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12:07 AM

@Voyagerfan5761 I got that before, sec

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Q: Can't log in: Error occurred while sending a direct message or getting the response

This belongs on Meta but I can't ask it there since, well, I can't log in :-) I'm unable to log into my account using my OpenID, josh.gitlin.name on either StackOverflow or Meta. The error message I receive after entering my OpenID on the login page and pressing "Login" is: Unable to log in ...

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@TimStone My mission is complete. ♪

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@Tim: But it's ugly right?

Do you understand what I'm asking, sans-ruby? :-)

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Q: Login to SO via Verisign failing

I've just been logged out of SO and now cannot login again. My OpenId provider is verisign, and I can log into my account there OK. The message SO is displaying is: Unable to log in with your OpenID provider: Error occurred while sending a direct message or getting the response. An...

support status-completed openid login

Tim Stone

@TheUnhandledException I'm not sure, apparently I should be heading back to Minecraft ;)

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@Voyagerfan5761 That's the dupe on Meta.

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12:09 AM

ahahaha

Tim Stone

It's actually not that ugly in the chat's code, but they're doing things a bit differently anyway.

But I do understand your question, yes.

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I guess I didn't mean ugly, I meant "not very OOP-esque"

George Marian

wants to strangle some devs

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I meant, "The ruby poets do not approve, the groupies I will not have!!!"

Voyagerfan5761

Thanks everyone. I'll go and investigate. Hopefully I'll be able to fix it and get in to the writers.stackexchange.com beta. Cheers!

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12:11 AM

Sure thing

What's funny is I found that question of mine by googling for "josh gitlin meta" :-D

Tim Stone

Right. I would have suggested something like what the given answer uses. Ultimately in these cases where you turn some primitive ID value into an object of type x, there's always going to be some sort of semi-ugly step.

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His was really elegant!

I liked it, and it was very ruby-poet like.

Maybe if I do it that way @rchern will be my groupie!!!

Tim Stone

I use a similar technique for instantiating rules in this project based on their XML node names.

Hahahah. ;)

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Cool. This is the kind of question I love asking other devs. I know I can make it function, but how do I make the code beautiful?

Thanks for the advice @Tim!

Tim Stone

Yeah, my code isn't particularly beautiful, heh. But I'll go with that. ;)

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12:16 AM

Mine often isn't. And we have few developers here, and they're all under me, so nobody complains. Which is why I get... nervous? self conscious?... when working on part of an open source, community project. I want my work to shine, not be spaghetti :-)

And I want my groupies and my macbook, dammit! ;-)

Tim Stone

Yeah, half of what I do is open source, so I'm very self-conscious, heh. Thankfully very few people look at my code anyway. :P

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Sweet. I want more free time to do more OSS

Tim Stone

To be fair, the bulk of that is work-related.

rchern

@TheUnhandledException say what now?

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LOL... nothing! Nothing at all! :-)

Go back to your chili :-)

Tim Stone

12:29 AM

Wait, @rchern has chili that she isn't sharing with the rest of us?

rchern

She doesn't yet. She needs to go to the grocery store.

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I said nothing @Tim!

rchern

Annual chili cook-off at work tomorrow. (:

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George Marian

@rchern Nice.

Tim Stone

Oh wow, sounds like delicious fun. :)

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Hmm...And now to pick something to work on.

Moshe

12:42 AM

@TheUnhandledException - what's the latest with the XMPP implementation?

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I am adding a bridge for chat.SE as we speak :-)

Moshe

bridge?

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An instance of the SO-XMPP script

so the SE chat rooms will be available via XMPP

Moshe

As we say in hebrew, מה זה?

As opposed to before when... ?

oh, you mean SE, not just SO/SU/SF?

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I mean SE specificlaly

chat.stackexchange.com

Moshe

12:45 AM

oh

ok

can you work on the authentication?

That's important.

Unless I can log in with my already-in-use gmail account or OpenID, I'm sticking to the browser end of things.

Two stars on the chili conversation - to highlight the smiles being opposite directions

^_^

And really, does Jeff read Meta? Why did my proposal get no response?

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sec, sorry

Moshe

k

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Sorry, was making the announcement

OK

I need help with authentication!

Moshe

ok

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I am not sure how to make it any easier

Moshe

12:49 AM

What can I do for you?

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Brainstorm :-)

Moshe

What about making a program that copies the cookies?

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I agree it's clumsy and difficult

But I am not sure how to improve it

Moshe

Like, a utility that will get you the cookie info and send it to your server.

What info does your end use to identify users?

Like, if I send in a message, how does it identify me as not logged in?

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My info authenticates users based on them sending their fkey and cookie at the moment

Moshe

12:50 AM

If there are 2,3 or more users who all connect at once, and none are authenticated, what is tied to them?

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Each user, based on their JID, has an instance of the class SOXMPP_LoggedInUser

Moshe

IP address?

What is a JID?

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This class contains two private member variables: cookie and fkey

JID is your jabber ID. Like moshe@gmail.com

Moshe

what language are you writing in?

ah

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Ruby

Moshe

12:52 AM

Don't know Ruby, but let me see what we can come up with.

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But, the language isn't the problem. The biggest problem is how to make it easy for users to get their somusr cookie

Moshe

Right

the cookie is given to the chat client, right?

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if you can describe an easier method and an easier way to get the somusr cookie, I can do the Ruby

yes, the cookie is sent via SO's servers to the browser

Moshe

And because of cookie security, we can't just copy and paste a cookie from one directory to the other.

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But it's marked HTTP only so JavaScript can't read it

Moshe

12:53 AM

Is there a way to "invalidate" the cookie for SO so that SO won't accept it and then read it?

I presume a tampered cookie becomes invalid.

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I'm not sure

Moshe

but if it's copied (thereby invalidated) it's fine because your system can read it.

As long as you tell it to.

It sounds like you're trying to set a cookie in a chat client

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sorry, say again?

Moshe

Because the whole idea of XMPP is to not use the browser, in favor of a chat client

which part?

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> It sounds like you're trying to set a cookie in a chat client

Moshe

12:55 AM

When I'm using your system, I'm using a chat client, not a browser.

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I'm not sure what you're asking

Correct

But, the StackOverflow servers don't know that :-)

My server is a bridge between XMPP messages and HTTP POSTs to the chat, as if the browser were doing them

Moshe

So where do cookies come in? I thought cookies were part of the way browsers work.

brainstorm.

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So that's why it needs your cookie. It essentially impersonates you

Moshe

!

What about using AJAX to read the cookie?

You can impersonate HTTP through AJAX and then get the cookie like that.

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They do. You send the cookie to the XMPP server, and every message you post to the XMPP server, it creates an HTTP POST with your cookie, as if it were a browser

OK. Now you're on to something. @Tim, WAKE UP! STOP PLAYING MINECRAFT!

Moshe

12:57 AM

But what about for reading the cookie intially?

To quote you:

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@Tim, can we make an Ajax request and read it's headers to get the SO chat cookie?

Moshe

> But it's marked HTTP only so JavaScript can't read it

You answered your own question

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You suggested Ajax which is a great idea

Tim Stone

What's up?

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I wonder if we can circumvent the restrictions...

Tim Stone

12:58 AM

Oh, no.

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no? rats

Tim Stone

That was actually a bug in Firefox for a while.

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browser developers are smarter than I

Sorry Moshe. No dices

Moshe

Meh, Safari?

I revert to my third party idea.

Cookies are text files.

You don't need to pull them in from your end.

Tim Stone

I mean, for that matter, the server could make its own request if you had a good method for validating users.

Moshe

1:00 AM

You need users to install a utility which reads the actual cookie file from the Firefox (or browser) cache. That utility can upload the cookie itself.

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Yeah

This won't be easy

Moshe

It's a matter of:

a)permissions

b)Browser/OS path checking

How hard can it be if the user wants the program to run?

(Yay me for oversimplifying things.)

Tim Stone

I believe Firefox stores cookies in SQLite, but yeah.

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Firefox Addons can read them

Firebug can read HTTP only cookies

Tim Stone

Yeah, of course.

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1:02 AM

SE Chat bridge is now running!

in The SE Tavern on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 2 mins ago, by Josh

The bridge is now up an running. To join this room, join the XMPP/Jabber MUC: the-se-tavern@sechat.smart-safe-secure.com

Moshe

So maybe look into firefox and firebug related stuff...

A firefox addon to log you in?

Wait, how does FireBug read HTTP only cookies?

If it's done, it's doable.

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It's an Addon

Addons have more access I guess

I doubt Firebug lite can do it

Moshe

So perhaps an addon is a good start.

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Yeah, and we could possibly make a Chrome one too

Once you get a valid cookie it should remain valid

Moshe

Ok, I got to get working on College Admission essays.

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1:06 AM

I know I need to make the system allow you to auth in one room and that auths you in all rooms

oh, fun

I do not envy you @Moshe!

Moshe

Although, I use Safari.

(The safari remark came out of order due to bandwidth speed issues.)

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OK! chat.stackexchange.com XMPP bridge up and running at sechat.smart-safe-secure.com!!!

in XMPP, 45 secs ago, by Josh's Socks

This will be a more permanent version of the XMPP server, restarted only when there's major updates, unlike the "testing" / "bleeding edge" version I am running on MSO chat

@Chacha102 please feel free to pin that ;-)

Ok guys I'm off for the night

I'll catch you later @Moshe and @Tim!

Tim Stone

@TheUnhandledException See ya!

Tim Stone

2:38 AM

More Minecraft death. :(

Think it's time to actually start coding..

drachenstern

@TimStone see if you were fighting them pigs you would be gaining ground instead :p

Dan Grossman

Can't you download a Minecraft CPU plan and code against it in the game?

Tim Stone

Well, I was hoping to actually be productive, so I'm not sure if that'd get me started on the right foot. ;)

drachenstern

@DanGrossman since you can build a NCC1701 and a 8 bit computer, I suppose just about anything is possible in that game ;)

Tim Stone

Making it both wonderful and evil at the same time. :P

drachenstern

3:23 AM

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Q: Why not to pass endResponse parameter as true in Response.Redirect method.

Why not to pass endResponse parameter as true in Response.Redirect method. As per MSDN documentation, Redirect method calls Response.End method which internally tries to raise ThreadAbortException. If the attempt is successful the calling thread gets aborted which has adverse affect on your site...

.net asp.net response.redirect

vote to close anyone?

I'm not at that level yet :|

Fosco

@drachenstern added a 4th.

Aiden Bell

What's happening all

Fosco

Oh, not much.. watching the office.

Aiden Bell

UK or American?

I mean, original or bad remake?

Fosco

terrible remake :)

@rchern what kind of Chili are you making? I made a white chili yesterday.

Aiden Bell

3:31 AM

Not good. You should checkout:

An Idiot Abroad

An Idiot Abroad is a 2010 light entertainment travel documentary television series broadcast on Sky1, as well as a spin-off book published by Canongate Books, created by and featuring Karl Pilkington and his radio show colleagues Ricky Gervais and Stephen Merchant. Overview An Idiot Abroad charts Pilkington's reaction when visiting the New Seven Wonders of the World as well as to the situations he's placed in, the country's cultural habits and idiosyncrasies. It was stated by the shows producers that Pilkington has no prior warning about these situations. Gervais commented: "This is a (m...

Fosco

i saw a couple episodes of that!

Aiden Bell

Pilkington; he has to be scripted

Fosco

I don't know... if so, he's kept it up an awful long time.

did you see the animated show they did based on their podcast?

Aiden Bell

@Fosco - aye

Karl Pilkington is from my home town, so I can attest that his stupidity is wide-spread

hehe

Fosco

yeah? ever met him?

rchern

3:46 AM

@Fosco food.com/recipe/kellys-chili-50732 with some modifications

Fosco

Cool.. looks like it has a lot of good flavors

Aiden Bell

@Fosco - Manchester has a population of 2.6million ... so yea

He's my best mate

Fosco

lol

Aiden Bell

thought I might relol a discussion from SO Tavern. Aspergers is now called "shifty wizard disorder"

rchern

@Fosco It's sweeter than some are used to.

drachenstern

3:57 AM

lol

oh wait, my bad, you wanted me to relol ;)

drachenstern

4:13 AM

anybody get anything on the comment on this link?

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A: C# Regular expressions find and replace links with only uppercase characters and don't match exclusions

Ok, I'm confused. If you have a collection of controls and or tags on your page, you can test them to see if they are anchor types, and if so, you can get the href attribute from the tag, then set the href to href.ToLower ... Is there a particular reason to use a regex to solve a string and DOM ...

I only get a bunch of UTF boxes

Tim Stone

@drachenstern Apparently they want to give you infinity upvotes, heh.

Yi Jiang

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Irony++

drachenstern

apparently

@YiJiang +1

I like the way someone put it in SO Tavern

in The SO Tavern (General) on Stack Overflow Chat, 2 mins ago, by Dan Grossman

He gives your comment +infinity [box box box box box box box box box box]

Yi Jiang

@drachenstern Meh, the better way to get around the 15 char limit is an empty link.

No need for unicode and co. - [ ](http://www.google.com)

drachenstern

@TimStone sadly I didn't get infinity upvotes tho... my repscore stayed the same

@YiJiang yeah we had that discussion here the other day, no?

radp

6:56 AM

ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

Tim Stone

Er.. :P

radp

asplodes and brings @TimStone with him

Tim Stone

Ah. ;)

radp

Note to self:

 * How do you objectively measure the number of people that will *ever* get to a question from Google?
  * What's this minimum "worth"?
  * Should we close questions on games that are too obscure because "not enough people" are going to play them?
  * Why isn't this "worth" stuff mentioned in any SE FAQ, if it's important enough to warrant closing questions?
  * Isn't helping the asker good enough for a Q&A engine?
 * What about "why doesn't my code work" questions on StackOverflow?
  * How many people are going to have the same snippet?

Eldros

@TimStone Ah! Kube!

radp

7:00 AM

I'm using a blog.SO post to prove Jeff wrong. This won't go well.

Tim Stone

Hooray for Minecraft!

@radp This is a fairly lengthy note to self. :P

@radp Wait, wait.

Jeff wrote a blog post about not deleting things?

radp

@TimStone About not closing things.

You can't delete open questions, so...

Tim Stone

Did I enter an alternate universe at some point?

Yi Jiang

I wonder if anyone has seen this two posts on Math.SE

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Q: I quit. Here's why.

I have offered my resignation as a moderator to the SE team and I think it's important that I provide some explanation here. Principally, I decided over the past weekend to pull the advertising for math.SE from a local professional newsletter because I was no longer comfortable recommending the ...

discussion moderators

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Q: An open letter to Jeff Atwood

Dear Mr. Atwood, I have been an active user on Math.SE for several months now. I have enjoyed participation in the website together with the interaction with other mathematicians that it has brought me. I have learned much from the answers provided me by experts, and I am glad to have contribute...

discussion

radp

@TimStone Welcome to Gaming, where consensus can never be reached.

rchern

7:06 AM

@radp so should we be grabbing popcorn and a front row seat?

Yi Jiang

@radp -1 already, probably from Mr. Atwood himself :P

radp

@YiJiang It's okay, I'll downvote the question too :P

Yi Jiang

Oh, and I need a 3ker to push this question to meta

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Q: How to write html code to ask?

Hi, How can i write the xml and html codes here. Because the tags are not printed. Is there any special tag that allow to write html tags too. thanks

html

Thanks

Tim Stone

They gave someone a two year suspension on the maths site? Wow, those guys must be really extreme over there.

@YiJiang Done

@YiJiang no, there's Jeff's downvote, heh.

radp

I'll take his comment as a compliment, I guess.

Tim Stone

7:17 AM

Yeah, I suppose so. ;)

Yi Jiang

@TimStone Indeed :P

Tim Stone

I can understand his point to the extent that if the site were full of those questions it would be contrary to the goal of providing useful information. However, the risk of alienating users by closing questions which do in fact have a specific answer when the danger of that being the site's destiny is slim seems fairly minimal, so I don't know why it's viewed as such a large problem.

radp

@TimStone and one permanent ban.

We've been struggling to choose what to do on game reccommendation questions, which annoy far more people.

"ONE GAME PER ANSWER!" "ONE EXTERNAL ANSWER PER ANSWER!" "ONE QUESTION FOR ALL, THEN CLOSE OFF TOPIC!"

There are other priorities for the local close police :P

Laters.

Tim Stone

Indeed. The subjective material has a much larger tendency to get out of hand, heh.

See ya.

Tim Stone

7:33 AM

Hm, I'm debating whether or not I disagree with Jeff enough to reply. It seems that 2.5% of the questions are tagged identify-this-game, which admittedly is a little larger than I expected.

-1

A: switch or other device?

i want to get a network device working as a multiplexer. for example, only the data sent to port A would be forwarded to port B completely.

I actually laughed at that, heh.

Yi Jiang

8:59 AM

Cool... somebody made a really nice minecraft icon

365psd.com/day/233 <- Get the psd file free here

radp

You and your docks!

The concept looks nice, but that pickaxe leaves me unsatisfied.

Yi Jiang

10:06 AM

0

Q: jQuery - Bold all the words in a query

I have a large HTML document, a book, and need to bold every occurrence of "Toronto". How is this done in jQuery?

jquery

Mr Welbog's puppet?

radp

10:27 AM

Must resist temptation...

Yi Jiang

10:44 AM

It's funny how @Jin now pops up three times as "featured user" on stackexchange.com, just because of the new design threads he open for each of the graduating sites

Yi Jiang

11:45 AM

Okay, wait a second.... when did Meta get back kbd support?

Or rather, THE CASTLES ARE BACK!!!1!!1!

Yi Jiang

12:36 PM

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A: Formatting Sandbox

kbd is back! Castle building will resume in 3... 2... 1...

spoulson

1:03 PM

Hello

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@YiJiang November 7 or so.

@spoulson Hello.

Yi Jiang

@PopularDemand Hmmm... didn't notice. Right

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1:22 PM

Hm, just caught up on radp's Meta Gaming post and those two Math posts. How odd.

Wow, there's a question with eleven delete votes.

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1:35 PM

Do we have an FAQ entry for the global inbox/multicollider yet?

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1:48 PM

Morning everyone

@PopularDemand Not that I've seen

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Q: Is something supposed to happen when I click 'inbox' in the new(ish) Stack Exchange drop down (top left) ?

It shows a red circle with a number indicating that you have a response to a comment or question, but clicking it doesn't do anything. Is that the intended behaviour. If so, then it's rubbish. Am using FF 3.6.12 on xpsp3

support stackoverflow firefox navigation

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Hmmm

Yi Jiang

People are burning a huge model temple outside my house right now for a person who died here recently

The fire's throwing burning paper several stories into the sky

Joss paper

Joss paper (, , , or / Vietnamese: vàng mã in the North or giấy tiền vàng bạc in the South), also known as ghost money, are sheets of paper that are burned in traditional Chinese deity or ancestor worship ceremonies during special holidays. Joss paper, as well as other papier-mâché items, are also burned in traditional Chinese funerals, to ensure that spirit of the deceased has lots of good things in the afterlife. Traditional Joss paper is traditionally made from coarse bamboo paper, which feels handmade with many variances and imperfections, although rice paper is also commonly used. ...

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Hm, I just posted a bug report with screenshots that I could have more easily just reproed because it's a Markdown bug.

@YiJiang I've heard of that before, and I'm all for tradition/culture, but is that a public safety hazard?

Yi Jiang

@PopularDemand It's not, but it should be

The air pollution alone should trigger asthma attacks

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2:34 PM

hmmmm

XMPP authentication does need some serious work

I can't make it work on chat.SE at all

Aiden Bell

2:58 PM

-1

A: Sequential UID generation for MySQL Char() or other Field

Isn't that a contradiction in terms? And your motivation for requiring sequentiality remains obscure.

Sheesh!

Michael Mrozek

Somebody just asked how return x[--y] works; I wince automatically at those as I brace for the explosion of weak ten-word answers

I'm going to start pasting the FGITW part of that every time it comes up

Fosco

3:15 PM

lol

rchern

3:28 PM

''orning

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Hey @rchern!

How'd the chili cooking go? :-)

rchern

we'll find out in a few hours (;

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Good luck!! I hope you win again

rchern

hehe

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What's the prize? Next week off? :-)

Yi Jiang

3:30 PM

How does it work anyway?

Cooking something with chili in it? Surely you're not going to actually cook chili only, right?

Anyway, building a new website, and it just makes me depressed, some of the things it reminds me of

Michael Mrozek

Wait, do I get chili?

Yi Jiang

As students we're suppose to take part in competitions like these: splashaward.com

Now at first it might seem there's nothing wrong here except...

1) The site is designed with table s.

2) The name of the competition insinuates that the web will undergo three more "iterations" in the next 5 years

3) In the Secondary category, all we have to do is to present a "business proposal" - a glorified Powerpoint, that is

#2 shows that these people have no idea what they're talking about

#1 shows that these people really aren't professionals

Michael Mrozek

I just found the phrase "Web 5.0" on that website

Yi Jiang

#3 means that we should do the same - talk rubbish and pretend our fictional website is the next Facebook

@MichaelMrozek #2 there, in my rant up there

Michael Mrozek

Oh, that's what you meant. I don't think it's actually going to last 5 years

Yi Jiang

3:38 PM

@MichaelMrozek It wouldn't last 5 years if the world operates like anything these people believe it does

rchern

Grrr. My home connection died.

@YiJiang, there is no such thing as "just chili". Every time I make it it comes out a bit different haha

Yi Jiang

@rchern Somebody's cut off your line so that you won't know the results!

Oh, and they treat us like idiots. That's all.

rchern

The chili cookoff is here at work (;

Yi Jiang

Meh, I can't eat chili. This, in a country where the people are crazy about their curry, is rather unfortunate

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Gah, is this a MSO bug? A Firefox bug? Or a Firebug bug?

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Q: New "[tag:" syntax interferes with Markdown links

Links in [link text][number] format don't work properly if they follow a tag using the new [tag:tagName] format. Screenshots: results in Putting the tag inside the link is worse. Here's the result of [[meta-tag:bug] some text][3], where [3] is the list of questions tagged discussion: bug s...

bug markdown tag-link

(I'm just referring to the last part.)

Yi Jiang

3:44 PM

@PopularDemand Firebug shows you what Firefox sees, which is the DOM

Or rather, what Firefox sees of the HTML, so it will be weird if you have invalid HTML there

Popular Demand

@YiJiang Gotcha.

Michael Mrozek

@PopularDemand That post has become almost completely unreadable, by the way

Popular Demand

@MichaelMrozek Yeah, I'm still working on it.

(Cutting down, this time, not adding more.)

Yi Jiang

@PopularDemand Anchors inside anchors is definitely invalid, so that's how Firefox trys to interpret the HTML

rchern

That post gives me a headache just looking at it, much less trying to understand it. ):

Yi Jiang

3:49 PM

^ Rejected cover design. Hehe... :P

@PopularDemand Suggestion: Completely remove the confusing part about how Firefox and Firebug's source differs, remove the images (since they don't add anything) and just present the bug as it is.

rchern

The mix of text and images with no separation and images with text does my head in

Michael Mrozek

Also inline tags and code blocks that scroll off the side. It's pretty much every different kind of element possible in a post :)

Popular Demand

@YiJiang I'm already editing to do this.

@MichaelMrozek I thought maybe there was a secret badge for that!

Yi Jiang

@PopularDemand Tumbleweed :P Because nobody wants to read a question like that

Tim Stone

yawns

The Unhandled Exception

3:56 PM

Morning @Tim!

Tim Stone

'Ello

Michael Mrozek

Oooo: area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/7551/…

The Unhandled Exception

I have some good news. I think I found a way around the cookie problem -- a way to make authentication with XMPP much easier, and safer!

@MichaelMrozek sweeet!

rchern

> Michael Mrozek thought you'd be interested in this proposed Q&A site. If you like the idea, you can click the "Commit" button below to be notified when the site is created.

Michael Mrozek was wrong <_<

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Michael Mrozek

How dare you

Yi Jiang

3:57 PM

Meh... don't play international chess. Why can't we have one that covers all of the variations?

The Unhandled Exception

I can't commit though as I know nothing :-(

rchern

Michael Mrozek

@TheUnhandledException That's why I'm not committing either, but I look forward to reading posts there when it's public

Tim Stone

@TheUnhandledException Nice!

Yi Jiang

@rchern There's no chili in there!

Popular Demand

3:58 PM

@MichaelMrozek Ugh, chess. I used to have a book of "what moves would you use to make black win in three?"-type puzzles.

The Unhandled Exception

@Tim et al: Here's my plan... The XMPP component should also be an OpenID provider!

Popular Demand

I never could understand those, since you can't predict what the other player will do.

Yi Jiang

A Singaporean would grab the nearest bottle of chili source and dump it on the yellow bit before even touching it

The Unhandled Exception

That way you could add your XMPP OpenID to your profile and that would allow you to authenticate... right?

Tim Stone

Hmm, sounds good in theory.

rchern

3:59 PM

@YiJiang Correct. That is pie, not chili. Very observant. (;

Michael Mrozek

@PopularDemand We do those at work; normally either their reactions are forced or you have to prove you can win for all their possible moves

Yi Jiang

@rchern I knew it! I could cook, man!

Michael Mrozek

There was one where no reactions were forced, and the solution was a giant tree of possible moves

Yi Jiang

Or rather, I can eat. Cooking is a totally different story

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