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I feel like: "when you say that XXX is bad it becomes the "one and only truth", while when I try to say that there may be something bad about YYY , every single sentence has to be proved. Nothing can be given as understood, every sentence has to be validated, and evrything is relative."

Infinite Recursion

Fix it @Pro ;)

Hi @Revious

Revious

@InfiniteRecursion Hi!

ProgramFOX

@InfiniteRecursion Hard to fix a problem that just falls out of the air ;)

Revious

it's the 4th time I face the same problem...

and also here I faced a similar problem

people are not completely rational, they are strongly emotional

gunr2171

5:40 PM

@Revious welcome to life

Revious

@gunr2171 yes..

I realized that arguing with these persons is not very useful..

psychology also gave a name to what pushes them to behave in that way...

rationalization (finding rational arguments which support our emotions), confirmation bias (seeing this arguments as the only or the most important)

but the point is... even this is not working fine..

let's make the example of a coach, a PUA, or a community leader.. he has to play a role..

Infinite Recursion

nice bookmark @gunr2171

Revious

and also someone which had suffered in his past is strongly pushed to be "stubborn"

Bart

@Revious not to interrupt your monologue, but perhaps relationship advice isn't best sourced from this chatroom.

6

Revious

@Bart antipatic :(

Frank

5:46 PM

@Revious You could go talk on pastebin or something...

Revious

don't kill me.. don't kill me, It's just a joke @Bart

Infinite Recursion

no one is killing you @Revious

Frank

kills Revious

Revious

prrr

gunr2171

Until someone finds out how to punch someone through the internet, we won't. We just want to keep this conversation mildly about stack exchange.

Infinite Recursion

5:47 PM

@Bart doesn't know the meaning of jokes, he has no sense of humour @Revious

Revious

@gunr2171 mildly means not strictly, right?

Frank

@InfiniteRecursion true... Haha!

@Revious Why push the limits?

gunr2171

I mean, if you want to ask about the weather, then ok fine, just don't get too far on a tangent.

Revious

can I write a pill of psychology which would probably lead me to be banned in the next 2 minutes? :P

gunr2171

I, for one, would not want that (for you to write that)

Bart

5:49 PM

Think of it like this @Revious. You're serenading an entire bar about your relationship problems. While one-on-one someone might be willing to listen, that doesn't imply all those present will appreciate it.

Frank

@gunr2171 Well, ... this room is really loose that way.

Infinite Recursion

we are a bunch of strangers @Revious. How does talking to us about your past 4 relationships help you?

Bart

And in any case, it's just advice. I'm not the law. (my smiting stick is)

Frank

I'm a bunch of strangers @Revious

Revious

@Bart: I will be more concise.. and I was asking here for a precise reason.. I had this problem with the girl but I had the same identical problem here

@Bart: I mean.. I'm collaborative and not polemic.

Bart

5:52 PM

@Revious if you're trying to ask "I've had problem X here in the past, what can I do to avoid/address that?" then ask that.

Revious

but can I take you as an example of what I was just saying? I will relate not to my relationship, but to how to relate to this community

But you should not get offended..

Bart

I'm pretty hard to offend.

Revious

ok..

gunr2171

@Bart, your glasses are dumb

Bart

Absolutely @gunr2171

Infinite Recursion

5:53 PM

...you are having same identical problem here because I am a gal too @Revious I am emotional and easily offended just like all the other gals you just talked about....

Revious

human are not rational being.. they are not fair, not objetive and they are trying to find rational arguments to justify their emotional decision.

this is stated by the science, but can you recognize it as true also for you?

Infinite Recursion

ok...you were talking about humans...then I am excluded...

Bart

Not really. But then again I might be trying to justify an emotional decision.

Shog9

humans are the worst. Never interact with them.

5

Infinite Recursion

ducks are the best

TGMCians

5:55 PM

no, cats ^

Bart

Frank

Trees are the best.

Revious

@Bart: ehen you say that here people should not go OT, if you were a robot (without emotions and prejudice) I would aspect that you are really checking this in a strict way, with everyone.

Bart

@Revious beep boop.

Revious

but gunr writes: "
I mean, if you want to ask about the weather, then ok fine, just don't get too far on a tangent."

Bart

5:57 PM

Anyway, time to catch the bus ... with a net ... back in a bit.

Revious

see you later!

gunr2171

I don't want to get too deep into philosophical discussions. But this is just me. I'm not the law (shog9 is)

Mostly because we don't have enough / will not have enough info to solve it

Infinite Recursion

True, Shog9 knows about communities, behaviour and people. (hint)

Revious

yes, yes, but I just wanted to say that when someone is pushed to say "don't go OT" there is always a prejudice, a feeling, an emotion behind.
The fact that he may think he is being fair is what psychlogist calls rationalization.. to look for a rational reason to "hide" the emotional reasons behind. I said that only like: "nobody should think he is really neutral or fair or quitting to understand other's reasons"

Shog9

I'm incredibly prejudiced. Against off-topic discussions.

gunr2171

6:02 PM

The scope of what is on-topic is really wide on this particular chat room, but this is a Stack Exchange area.

Revious

@gunr2171 yes, yes, don't get me wrong..

I was just saying that you and the other guy said that usually many speaks here in a short OT

nothing more..

Shog9

you know what's not off-topic?

French toast.

Man, that stuff is great.

Revious

@Shog9 :D

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: IF A COHEN SLEPT WITH A NON JEWISH WOMEN by user7454 on judaism.stackexchange.com

Shog9

8

Q: What qualities should I be looking for when making the best French Toast?

Should it be a thick slice of bread? Should it be made with challah bread? Should it be slightly crispy and brown on the outside but mushy on the inside?

gunr2171

6:05 PM

Successful diversion is successful.

Infinite Recursion

Oil? No way. Butter! French toast is not diet food :) — daniel Oct 5 '10 at 7:28

Revious

@Shog9: nice, I like them also. Maybe I can also dare to ask an advice... I'd like to be less polemical.. and to express my ideas in a less boring way... even when I'm not wrong people would fell asleep. it's enough to look at my last sentence.. I'm stubborn, irritating..

Frank

0

Q: Do self-answered questions count as progress towards the Explainer, Refiner, Illuminator badges?

I tend to answer my own questions if they remain unanswered for some time, and I wondered this: If I edit my question within 12 hours before or after answering it, like I do with others' questions, will that count as progress toward the Explainer, Refiner, and Illuminator answer badges?

support edits answers badges

Infinite Recursion

@Revious: Slow down on the pinging with @, Shog will read if he wants to...pings get you kicked faster than OT stuff

Jan Dvorak

nuke-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/27156075/…

Revious

6:09 PM

@InfiniteRecursion ok, I didn't know.. usually in chat @,,, is not for pinging is to make understood who you are answering to. I will avoid with shog

Infinite Recursion

Avoid pinging me too...am a gal (just like all the other gals you met: emotional..etc etc). I may get offended faster than Shog

Revious

what is a gal?

2

Frank

Ping me all you want; I'm just some tree...

Revious

ah, a girl?

Infinite Recursion

pings @Frank @Frank @Frank @Frank :)

Revious

6:13 PM

I'm sorry if you get offended for my opinion on girls :D every human being is emotional

Frank

doesn't care

@Revious depends how you define human being.

Infinite Recursion

feels offended that Frank doesn't care

Frank

I've met some really... nevermind...

Revious

@InfiniteRecursion but you are joking

Frank

@InfiniteRecursion doesn't care

Revious

6:14 PM

you don't get offended :p

Frank

Oops, I pinged you.

Revious

and everyone jokes here..

and Bart said to me that I was OT

prrrrrrrr

Frank

@Revious Knock knock

Revious

I am offended now :(

Infinite Recursion

If you say anything about Bart, I get offended. He is my nemesis after all.

Frank

6:16 PM

@Inf Bart is cool

Revious

@InfiniteRecursion :D

:D

ops.. I cited you

@Revious *pinged

@Frank it doesn't seem so terrible to be pinged...

Now that I know that infinite is a girl I would like to have her advice..

Frank

6:18 PM

@Revious Beleive me, it's the worst thing that can happen to someone...

Infinite Recursion

^^^

Frank

@Inf ... better run away.

Revious

@Frank :o

Infinite Recursion

runs awaaaaay

Revious

usually girls are nice being

I love them

gunr2171

6:19 PM

That's a 9.4 on the creepy scale.

Infinite Recursion

I don't love you, cya

Revious

I feel very well with them

@InfiniteRecursion :(

gunr2171

Ok, yeah. @BenCollins, do you remember Revious?

Frank

@Revious really, your being really a @#$%& dumb person. Why not leave? ;)

Revious

@gunr2171 help!!!!

Ben Collins

6:20 PM

@gunr2171 oh, wow. that was a while back

gunr2171

It's happening again

managed to creep out Infinite as well

Revious

@gunr2171 I hate you!!!

but now I have to go

I will continue hating you later :p

Frank

@Revious cya bye

Jan Dvorak

@Revious cya bye

gunr2171

Hum, I might need to make a part 2 for the bookmark...

Frank

6:32 PM

Weird, I post 4 answers on GL today, and get 40 rep from them. Then I asked a q on MSE, and get 30 rep in less than 1/2 hour. Kinda interesting...

gunr2171

Do what you want Ben, I figured I'd bring it up to you because you handled it last time.

bjb568

In Indiana.

@ProgramFOX fixing

ProgramFOX

thanks

bjb568

6:55 PM

@ProgramFOX Fixed

ProgramFOX

yay!

bjb568

fixing more security issues

Ben Collins

@gunr2171 no reason to kick him this time

Shokhet

Why was this proposal closed as a duplicate of "SO Spanish"? ....as per discuss.area51.stackexchange.com/q/18793/112531, it was meant to be "Programmers" in Spanish.

(it appears that @RobertCartaino is not pingable)

TGMCians

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/27156915/…

animuson

7:04 PM

@Shokhet Probably because they didn't follow the rules about putting the title and description in English, so it wasn't obvious that it was meant to be a different site in Spanish.

Shokhet

@animuson "rules"?

animuson

31

A: Is it OK to have non-English question and answers in Area 51?

Our mission is to make the Internet a better place to get expert answers to your questions. Nothing about that mission says the questions have to be in English. It is our long term goal to make the Stack Exchange Network a great, planetary resource for all the world's citizens no matter what lang...

Shokhet

@animuson Ah. Thanks!

Bart

Might be nice to put that in the FAQ though

Shokhet

True

animuson

7:08 PM

I don't think anyone reads that FAQ. It's way too long and wordy.

Shokhet

I read it, though it took some effort. Don't remember any mention of other languages.

TGMCians

one more vote here. pls..

9 mins ago, by TGMCians

cv-pls http://stackoverflow.com/questions/27156915/display-textfield-results-as-label

Infinite Recursion

Thanks @gunr2171 for handling the situation.

TGMCians

thanks @bjb568!! :)

welcome back @Inf!!

rene

@TGMCians I paid the OP $15 to leave this site and never come back...

TGMCians

7:13 PM

lol

Infinite Recursion

It's a "very simple app" and you get $15 for it ... how about you try it yourself then? — Bart 1 min ago

bjb568

I think I fixed all the DD security vulnerabilities. Now all I need is SSL. Anybody want to pay for a cert? :P

Bart

I still have some DigiNotar certs if you want some @bjb568

bjb568

Ok goggles that

Infinite Recursion

@rene, you didn't give them $15. Your secret has been revealed...

Could you please give me a tutorial or something? I just want to win the $15 quick! — ThorNiLs 1 min ago

bjb568

7:18 PM

@Bart Oh, now I get the joke

Bart

:)

rene

@Bart lol....

Bart

So I guess that's a no then @bjb568?

bjb568

Yes, no.

Infinite Recursion

^grammar alert

Andy

7:19 PM

^alert alert

rene

@InfiniteRecursion hmmm...

bjb568

Lert

Bart

Fun fact: Unity supports SSL but doesn't actually validate the certificate ... yeah ...

Jan Dvorak

which Unity?

animuson

Assassin's Creed: Unity?

TGMCians

7:22 PM

Unity game framework ?

Bart

Yeah, Unity 3D

Jan Dvorak

The desktop manager?

Infinite Recursion

@Bart: You wasted some really good advice on the $15 OP, I hope they follow your advice IRL.

Bart

The global concept of "unity" @JanDvorak. Unity for all mankind.

@InfiniteRecursion next bit of advice will cost him $15

animuson

Hmm I wonder how buffalo hot sauce on turkey would taste.

Bart

7:24 PM

Or how turkey hot sauce would taste on a buffalo

rene

Have your 15 dollar — rene 11 secs ago

TGMCians

:D

Bart

Say @animuson, can you see active flags in a user's profile? Or are they just grouped into lists?

Infinite Recursion

Finally, rene gave $15 :)

TGMCians

bad.solutions

Infinite Recursion

7:26 PM

oracle?

TGMCians

Hmm

animuson

@Bart Well, we can see a user's flagging history. There's also a little number that appears on their profile for how many flags have been cast against their posts. But there's nothing that blinks at us or anything when viewing a profile that tells us the user has active flags cast [against them].

Bart

So you can't see that I currently still have 1 active flag waiting to be handled, right?

animuson

Oh, we know.

Bart

... that sounds ominous

animuson

7:30 PM

Your flag has been sitting at the top of our queue, which we've been surprisingly keeping clean lately.

Bart

Ooh, well done. I imagined it was still an unmanageable heap.

Infinite Recursion

decline it now!! :)

animuson

Currently 77. And yours is at the top because it's the oldest, so if that says anything. :P

Bart

Wow, that's efficient

Infinite Recursion

Good to know, we can start flagging again. The queue has reduced :D

TGMCians

7:34 PM

@InfiniteRecursion wait..but not my comments and answers...

Bart

Anyway, if anything is unclear about the flag let me know @animuson. Long story short, I just looked at it and thought "could have been more descriptive".

animuson

It's been discussed a little. Someone will bite the bullet on that eventually.

Bart

Thanks

Infinite Recursion

I will flag your cat gifs now @TGMCians ...

TGMCians

:)

Revious

7:37 PM

@gunr2171 I thought you were just joking.. I didn't realize that you see a problem to address. We were laughing together.. Also shog posted a joke on french toasts.

Bart

French toast is no joke!

Revious

@Bart :P

Infinite Recursion

Please, not that...again :(

Revious

@Bart ok, but jokes aside if I was offensive or excessive with you before, just tell me..

Bart

You're still alive @Revious

Revious

7:42 PM

yes, but I have a very bad reputation here. If you didn't felt offended maybe you could say this to people which were not in the chat and have read it only later like BenCollins.

Infinite Recursion

You lost your nemesis @Bart, have fun.

Bart

Noooooo @InfiniteRecursion.

Revious

Can I create a chat with only one user?

TGMCians

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/27157150/…

rene

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/27128508/…

Bart

7:45 PM

@Revious that is possible, yes.

TGMCians

voted rene

rene

tnx

TGMCians

np

nuke-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/27157256/…

Infinite Recursion

Sorry @Bart, I didn't see revious' messages because I ignored him. I just saw your message about the french toast and you pinged him after that...so I thought you are calling him back...and I left. But I now saw his messages in the transcript and realized he was already here. You didn't call him back. Misunderstanding, sorry.

Bart

Don't be afraid of french toast @InfiniteRecursion

Infinite Recursion

7:54 PM

:D

bjb568

Do I need to ask for a pass to change email? It's post so no CSRF and leaving the session open in a library scenario wouldn't let the attacker change pass so the user can log in and change email back easily.

Infinite Recursion

I am afraid of unwanted affection @Bart.

TGMCians

Hmm, night..it's late night..

Infinite Recursion

night

Bart

night

Infinite Recursion

7:57 PM

oops...I won't make trains

Bart

oops...I w ... nah ...

Infinite Recursion

It's possible to have a room with a single user, uni and I have our room

Room for Uni and Sam

... and whoever that comes across this room. Nothing much real...

rene

22 hours ago, by Bart

If he doesn't resolve it, ping me again tomorrow @rene. I might have a better look tomorrow evening.

@Bart it is tomorrow now... and it's not resolved.... AFAIK

DwarfSlice

Today's Listening

Jan Dvorak

nuke-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/2817185/…

Bart

8:24 PM

@rene ooh yeah. I'll have a look

user259867

@JanDvorak It seems that questions beginning with "I am looking for" are a rich source for "software recommendation" close reason.

user259867

However, I have failed in an attempt to escape the single quote in "I'm looking for".

Jan Dvorak

\' ?

user259867

Didn't work.

Jan Dvorak

in what context?

user259867

8:30 PM

In the context of SEDE query that I linked. Oh.

user259867

86

Q: How do I escape a single quote in SQL Server?

I'm trying to insert some text data into a table in SQL Server 9. The text includes a single quote. How do I escape that? I tried using two single quotes, but it threw me some errors. eg. insert into my_table values('hi, my name''s tim.');

sql sql-server sql-server-2005 tsql

user259867

^ Now the search for I'm looking for works too. :)

The Guy with The Hat

9:20 PM

I totally called that

Fix is being pushed out presently. You should start seeing those replaced with proper … characters in a few minutes. — rossipedia ♦ 2 hours ago

3 hours earlier...

@Bart But it might be one of those things where they just put a … instead of the entire long name. — The Guy with The Hat 6 hours ago

cVplZ

Tor relays don't count, right? That could be used to abuse the system (repeatedly create a new identity and then browse the question many different times). — damryfbfnetsi 8 mins ago

The Guy with The Hat

@cVplZ Hmm, that is a good point.

cVplZ

9:39 PM

@InfiniteRecursion All I got in the notification was @cVplZ , no heart or anything after it..

Hobo Sapiens

Off-topic stackoverflow.com/q/24172565/1864610

cVplZ

9:58 PM

Hiya Mrs. BJB!

@animuson How many flags have been cast against me?

user259867

@cVplZ You can get an idea from Reviews on your posts

hichris123

@cVplZ ∞

user259867

Your first post was used for several audits. :) Some passed, some failed.

cVplZ

@Rafflesiaarnoldii Thanks. I bet most of those lq ones were auto-generated by the system though, b.c didn't contain enough text, just code.

The Guy with The Hat

@Rafflesiaarnoldii Whoa! People actually use my query?

user259867

10:05 PM

It's a good one. Have a star for it.

hichris123

@Rafflesiaarnoldii I've only had a post of mine used for 1 audit, and it was passed.

user259867

None of my 1282 answers were used for audits. I guess they aren't that good... or bad. All I had reviewed were first posts (first Q and first A separately, even though I had a lot of rep by the time of first Q), suggested edits, one retaliation-type CV, and one automatic LQ flag. Boring.

hichris123

@Rafflesiaarnoldii Does Math.SE even have audits?

cVplZ

Feb 16 at 1:13, by Bart

Wait what? I flagged that?

user259867

Yes, it does...

user259867

10:14 PM

To address the trial period - yes, we can certainly think of the first someever period of time as a trial period and at the end, if y'all feel it was a terrible idea, we'd deactivate. Or if y'all found it a great idea, we would leave it in. — Grace Note ♦ Aug 23 '13 at 13:27

user259867

^ since August 2013

cVplZ

@Bart flagged one of my chat posts when I was still a new user to the Tavern! ^

Bart

Besides that quote and the transcript where I admit it you have no proof @cVplZ

cVplZ

luckily the flag was declined :)

Bart

One day I will get you

cVplZ

10:16 PM

someone watch my back plse

hichris123

@Bart The next time you mash your keyboard, of course.

Frank

►

funny^

cVplZ

@Frank lol. Guy probably needs new tires after that. Was he pushing the break or what?

Frank

@cVplZ they were both pressing the gas. They were testing which truck was better, lol

or this:

cVplZ

10:32 PM

@Frank yea, but the guy obviously lost., why would he still be hitting the gas after being pulled into the grass and then back to the starting point? Obviously, he wasn't thinking , just like agreeing to do a stupid thing like that. Fun for viewing though

Frank

►

@cVplZ I would do it. There's no real way to stop the other guy anyway.

cVplZ

This one was a tie , lots of smoke youtube.com/watch?v=gEo2mnUFab8

Frank

@cVplZ weird, the dodge was way bigger...

cVplZ

I never knew people did this. TIL! Maybe this should be the default way road rages are solved? Like car dueling.

Frank

@cVplZ but I would win.

Lynn Crumbling

10:41 PM

@Frank Hope you haven't had to go out in this.

cv-pls dup stackoverflow.com/q/2871894/656243

hichris123

Woah. What happened to the duck @Inf? ;)

Lynn Crumbling

10:57 PM

Hah: naa stackoverflow.com/a/27160017/656243

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A: Different rendering in Chrome based on whether a page is refreshed with F5 or Return?

This is not an actual answer - thank you stackoverflow for not letting me comment until I have enough reputation - now I have to misuse your system. I will delete this as soon as the OP updates the link in the question. Thanks to Pedro Moreira, I have eliminated described behaviour in Chrome. Ho...

Suspensions and Stubbornness: Dev Kicks User

Room for Uni and Sam

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