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What do you take me for @Jimmy, some rep whore ! @Sam got 3 upvotes and a big green tick for an answer even less informative than mine. I'm leaving in a huff, maybe a minute-and-a-huff, but I'm leaving. — High Performance Mark Feb 4 '10 at 10:07

So much stupid, everywhere...

nuke-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/2198684

cVplZ

1:07 AM

So I read the blog podcast post, and it was alright. Glad that they let worldbuilding go through. THat is a very cool site.

I didn't even know that webdesign.SE even was in beta.. lol

bjb568

T-HAT

cVplZ

> Okay that’s great. Next! Joel tries to bring up diversity (spoiler alert: we’re pro-diversity), but we decide to devote more of a podcast to it later.

Jason C

nuke-pls norepro stackoverflow.com/questions/2816823

cVplZ

I'm all for diversity, but really , it appears to be a non-issue on the sites, since we focus on content.

Jason C

@cVplZ Worldbuilding is tons of fun to read, I love that site too.

cVplZ

1:09 AM

I heard on the news someone say "When you say young black man and a white cop", you dehumanize the people. We are people. No need for SE to put us into groups based on our skin or sex. We are all people, except for some bots.

Jason C

I get excited every time a wb questions pops up in the hot list.

This query was a mistake. I'm drowning in crap.

user259867

The discussion of comments begins at 29:30: Joel mentions that comments should have been made to expire in 21 days...

Jason C

nuke-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/2995063

nuke-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/3183067

Andrew T.

naa? vlq? android.stackexchange.com/a/88862/44325

> good I have a DVD backup morotola atrix give me your email and I'll spend all the quer this there is a disc that supports all programs of that time I served my whole or comunicate with Torrent igo are bringing it down to more fast

cVplZ

i'd do NAA if i had account there

Jason C

1:16 AM

Heh, speaking of that "Your Common Sense" guy; stackoverflow.com/questions/3500140/…

user259867

flagged VLQ, though there isn't much difference nowadays.

Andrew T.

flagged anyway

Jason C

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/3500140

nuke-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/3466972

nuke-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/3638261

Wow, now I see what you guys were talking about; stackoverflow.com/questions/4002983/…

nuke-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/4002983

cv-pls dupe stackoverflow.com/questions/4506628

cVplZ

1:36 AM

headdesk/facepalm/palmhead? meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/277888/…

Jason C

cv-pls broad stackoverflow.com/questions/4772894

bjb568

del'd answer in favor of Jason's

cVplZ

-4

A: Maximum and Minimum values for ints

Indubitably, i think you are all amazing people and you should buy my foot cream

bjb568

flagged abuse

cVplZ

I did spam, since he wants us to buy his foot cream

user259867

1:43 AM

flagged spam, same reason ^

bjb568

Meh, seems more like a joke than anything else.

No link or phone number or anything.

Jan Dvorak

Flagged abusive even though it's most likely a failed piece of spam

bjb568

Not even a brand name.

Andrew T.

Couldn't flag since it's already gone

animuson

Maybe he meant that.

Jan Dvorak

1:45 AM

Maybe "foot" is a unit of length referring to the container?

cVplZ

this user seems to be promoting an ide or something on every answer stackoverflow.com/questions/27139477/…

note: just his 4 answers today. THe past ones don't seem to have it

Andrew T.

I'd assume good faith that he wants to let user run the code, albeit with wrong approach (the code should be posted as code-block, not image)

just like using ideone

cVplZ

looks like all his 4 answers today just got nuked

Andrew T.

o well ._.

Jason C

Oh, @animuson deleted it; I tried to edit it to give the guy a hint. (I rolled it back seeing the delete, though)

user259867

1:53 AM

I imagine the IDE comes with a "share to SO" button that automatically posts giant screenshot with its logo...

animuson

I'm sending him a message.

cVplZ

@Rafflesiaarnoldii lol!

Jason C

Lol; actually it doesn't seem to have a button like that. Doesn't seem like a bad little tool, the guy just seemed to suck at sharing things.

cVplZ

in retrospect , i think he knew what he was doing

Andrew T.

Turns out paiza.io supports Japanese language, compared to ideone.com, and the poster is Japanese too

cVplZ

1:55 AM

the screenshot said it's in beta though

user259867

Grr, at this age someone still posts an answer to "how to round a number in Java" instead of CVing as duplicate.

Andrew T.

> because answering is easier than finding the dupe

cVplZ

> and no green for dup

Jason C

@Rafflesiaarnoldii Show me I'll close it.

user259867

@JasonC You saw it (maybe, it was one of IDE things).

user259867

2:01 AM

@AndrewT. The canonical dupe is #1 Google hit.

Andrew T.

Blame the asker :D

and the answerer too

Jason C

And their parents, and the schools, and big corporations, and maybe Canada.

Oh, and SUVs.

user259867

Hey, Google is a big corporation.

user259867

And they are on our side. Usually.

Jason C

That's what they want us to think.

@YiJiang Wheel of blame: Canada, please.

bjb568

2:13 AM

@Rafflesiaarnoldii nope

cVplZ

duckduckgo?

Jan Dvorak

nuke-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/27140225/…

user259867

They bring traffic to SO. Ads pay the SE bills. What more to expect?

bjb568

@cVplZ Yesh!

Sometimes I am concerned about my users…

user259867

What is statechange? Oh. I was parsing it wrong.

bjb568

2:17 AM

Activity state of the chat user. 2 is writing, 1 is active (but not writing)

user259867

I thought it was missing x in there. Too much time on SE.

Andrew T.

^ me too :)

user259867

feature-request A list of hottest meta posts around SE. Main sites are boring.

user259867

That thing about me from yesterday had some potential, but a mod nuked it before long.

user259867

'Why on Earth would someone commit air piracy just to finance a terrible movie decades later?' 'People are very strange these days.'

user259867

2:26 AM

^ that would make a neat answer there.

bjb568

2:38 AM

@bjb568 DD now salts properly

The Wobbuffet

Why does Apple think it's a good idea to make a programming language that doesn't make you end every statement with semicolons?

Jan Dvorak

Why not?

Haskell doesn't need semicolons

The Wobbuffet

meh

Jan Dvorak

Ruby doesn't need semicolons

The Wobbuffet

Also JavaScript

Jan Dvorak

2:45 AM

Python doesn't need semicolons

The Wobbuffet

well, obviously python doesn't need semicolons

Jan Dvorak

coffeescript

The Wobbuffet

i mean, for indent-based languages, I guess

Andrew T.

We need the reverse of this question

The Wobbuffet

but I'm just saying... code would be nicer if it used semicolons at the end of every statement

There are probably some exceptions

"Sorry if this question seems rhetorical at all."

String result = "asdfsasdfs"
               + "asdfs"
               + "asdfsdf";

^how would you do that in swift? It's just smart enough to know?

I'm actually asking, I don't know

I guess the compiler is that smart...

but for humans, for HUMANS!

it's simply good for humans to look at and understand...

Jan Dvorak

2:49 AM

In javascript the rule is that if two lines can be joined, they will be joined

with one nonsensical exception whose only purpose seems to be to force OTBS.

The Wobbuffet

Why don't I come up with some "Garden path" code

i had it, but i was too lazy to share...

anyway, I think code that doesn't use semicolons at the end of some statements looks ugly

The description to this chat has changed... and my version that pulls up everyone in the chat and puts them on the wheel wasn't put up... I wonder if they think it doesn't need any updates

I remember when I went too far and made it come up with a random number from random.org...

user259867

Evolution of Tavern room topic

user259867

3:05 AM

I wonder if "full of stars" is only a reference to free-wheeling starring habits, or also a reference to the presence of all those ghostly looking individuals. -->

Jan Dvorak

SPAM/abusive webapps.stackexchange.com/questions/70385/jamuel-2001yahoo-com

Google Translate doesn't think that's an actual language

Jason C

It's not; it's either a bunch of words from different languages, or a bunch of random words from bigrams or something, I can't tell.

bjb568

Anybody know why people get all worked up about console logs on production sites?

Jason C

Or just random letters. Or something. It's weird.

user259867

Arrrgh. Keep your dirty logs out of my console.

2

Jason C

3:10 AM

Maybe scrambled words?

jadarnel27

@Rafflesiaarnoldii That's what she said.

hichris123

What to do with scifi.stackexchange.com/a/73518/28960 and scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/6382/…?

jadarnel27

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/27139481/…

Tim Stone

@bjb568 Back in the day it used to break IE's execution of the script...that and blame and shame

bjb568

IE iz stupidz

Jan Dvorak

3:11 AM

If that's not an actual language, then what's the point?

hichris123

@TimStone How long ago was back in the day?

bjb568

23

Q: Should I be removing console.log from production code?

I currently have this JS statement everywhere in my code: window.console && console.log("Foo"); I am wondering if this is costly at all, or has any negative side-effects in production. Am I free to leave client-side logging in, or should it go? EDIT: In the end, I suppose the best argument I...

^ Ugh, noook!

The Wobbuffet

Let's be professional... we can have a test server with fancy logs a bunch of crap and a real server that doesn't get filled with all that junk

Tim Stone

Plus console.log is just the println of JavaScript, use a debugger ya silly.

bjb568

But if the user complains about a bug (and this is a site where the users are programmers), it's alright to have logging so they can post that?

The Wobbuffet

3:14 AM

Can someone elaborate on Apple's Human Interface guidelines? They say important stuff is at the top towards the left and non-important stuff right bottom

bjb568

@TheWobbuffet Elaborate on what part of it?

The Wobbuffet

The part where they talk about screen priority stuff

let me find a url

jadarnel27

Best practices say you should replace all those console.log statements with alert()s.

The Wobbuffet

developer.apple.com/library/ios/documentation/userexperience/…

Down here when you see the red

Jan Dvorak

@jadarnel27 umm.... wat?

Tim Stone

3:16 AM

@jadarnel27 Never forget

The Wobbuffet

@jadarnel27 No, confirm()s... alerts can be exited out of too quickly

confirm()s make you think.

bjb568

@TheWobbuffet Put important things at the top left, where left-to-right top-to-bottom readers will most likely read it.

The Wobbuffet

And always use alert, prompt, and confirm instead of modal dialogs

Andrew T.

I think it's Khmer

Jan Dvorak

@TheWobbuffet no. Use repeating prompts with captchas

The Wobbuffet

3:17 AM

@JanDvorak And a wait 5 seconds message before

@bjb568 The thing is... what if we have an Arabic reader?

bjb568

@TheWobbuffet Then the concept if flipped.

The Wobbuffet

They read right-to-left...

Jan Dvorak

Or top to bottom

No, wait, that's Japan

The Wobbuffet

@bjb568 Maybe they should explain about that localization fix in the guidelines :/

Jan Dvorak

What if our readers read clockwise inwards?

The Wobbuffet

3:20 AM

which language does that?

Jan Dvorak

some old languages do, I guess they're from Africa

The Wobbuffet

that's the problem... now we need translators to do more work and to tell us to re-think the design/ui

jadarnel27

@TimStone I wouldn't dream of it.

Even SE complies with these industry standards:

69

Q: LOL debugging are we? - Stack Overflow homepage alerts false

Refreshing the Stack Overflow index page is giving me an alert('false');.

status-completed stackoverflow bug

Jan Dvorak

Next they tell you the color red is offensive to Tauris

jadarnel27

(thanks for reminding me of that, @TimStone)

Tim Stone

3:22 AM

I do what I can

The Wobbuffet

Next they tell you to boycott nintendo because music plays during an islamic prayer in The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time during the fire temple

Jan Dvorak

or that they can't stand the number four because it's homophonic to "death"

The Wobbuffet

@jadarnel27 nobody make any vote score changes to this post

Jan Dvorak

Fun fact: the Czech language cannot distinguish between "dragon" and "kite" except in some plural forms.

The Wobbuffet

lol and what do we see? the same thing with the accepted answer

@JanDvorak My friend told me something about the origination of the word Chili in Korean. I'm going to translate it and see what I find, because I remember something was going on with multiple meanings

Yep, I feel bad for Matt

Jan Dvorak

3:27 AM

Hey, it's a gold badge

or silver, depends on lighting

The Wobbuffet

Let's see if it's on his actual profile

****!!@$!@$ Who upvoted?

Lol Matt Sherman doesn't have any gold badges :/

Jan Dvorak

countered

The Wobbuffet

he does on SO, though

Now from that picture, I'd assume a lot of people in the SE headquarters have hunchbacks

Jan Dvorak

or unicorns

The Wobbuffet

Lol that made me remember a post from a while ago I made, I'll pull it up ^

Btw, I tend to change my identity on different sites

I've done it on maybe 2? Including this one:

2

Q: Why can't I buy Unicoins?

I don't want to wait until tomorrow because for my wife's birthday I wanted to buy her Unicoins and today is her birthday. What is this error, though? I want Unicoins! PS: I'm not really married and I don't have a wife, I just made that up for the sake of story.

discussion fun unicoins

Jan Dvorak

3:32 AM

That webapps thing is still sitting there at -7 score, btw

jadarnel27

I learned to hate Firefox today.

And ng-grid.

The Wobbuffet

> "+1 for not really being married "

And someone downvoted because they didn't understand how I was married

This guy named "Sawa"

> "If you say your question is not incomprehensible, then please explain how you can have a wife without getting married."

Jan Dvorak

@jadarnel27 why?

The Wobbuffet

6

Q: Should students get full credit for getting the correct answer (without work)?

Pre-algebra If the student is taking this branch of mathematics, they are expected to show their work because they're expected to solve specific problems in a certain way. Ex, when they're solving for a variable they're supposed to manually find the value of x by isolating it rather than enterin...

primary-education algebra

^ Here I pretended to be a math educator

jadarnel27

@JanDvorak I was working on a problem with a web app today, where Firefox was becoming unresponsive and not showing fonts. But only on pages with an ng-grid.

In Firebug, I could see that the browser was repeatedly requesting the Google Font files referenced in my @font-face declaration.

It's frustratingly similar to this bug in Firefox, but it really only happens on pages with ng-grid.

Other pages use the same @font-face statements, and work fine.

Removing the ng-grid from the page causes it to work fine.

Jan Dvorak

3:41 AM

blame Angular

jadarnel27

I assume the directive is somehow causing the CSS rules to get reprocessed, and triggers FF to re-request the font files. But I don't really know for sure.

@JanDvorak Oh, I do.

Thoroughly.

And the problem doesn't happen if the browser gets the fonts from cache.

Jan Dvorak

Sounds like a Firefox bug

jadarnel27

(so it only happens the first time you load the page / if you ctrl+F5 - load the page again, and there are no problems)

Yeah, it might be.

Maybe I'll create a simple recreation of the problem in my free time and report it.

In the meantime, I discovered that upgrading to ng-grid 3.0 (ui-grid) fixes it. So I'm replacing all of our grids.

I now I shall stop boring the room with my web development woes. I just had to get that off my chest.

Jason C

cv-pls unclear stackoverflow.com/questions/27140983/strings-in-an-array

user259867

@TheWobbuffet Hey, pretending to be a math educator is my job.

user259867

3:52 AM

And I do not empirically observe "full credit for unsupported correct answer" on algebra level, or calculus level, or graduate level for that matter.

Morning :)

Morning :)

Morning :)

4:10 AM

> You have been awarded with $7 Million as donation by Mr Jim McCullar the winner of 190Million jackpot send me only your name to claim $7 Million.

@TheWobbuffet Solution: Call left-to-right people "inhuman"

cVplZ

Here's my friends code, he helped me with a homework we have to do and it doesn't work on my computer. Any idea why?

bjb568

@cVplZ Oh, good FSM, I thot you asked it.

jadarnel27

@cVplZ If I were the kind of guy to leave rude, flippant comments on SO questions, I'd make a joke about just returning zero for the average, since they cheated.

DwarfSlice

►

why have I never heard of this guy before

Andrew T.

~~kawaii~~ *blargh*

bjb568

4:17 AM

Meh

cVplZ

I'm tempted to follow this, just b.c I could answer lots of questions probably. Funny when I hear the term American Culture used though, since there is like hundreds of different cultures now, not one specific one, imo.

Frank

jadarnel27

That's not just in your opinion. That's real reality, man.

user259867

@Frank Is this a valid QR code? I don't see positioning elements.

Frank

@Rafflesiaarnoldii :D

jadarnel27

4:22 AM

Pretty sure I have a detached retina now. Thanks for that, @Frank.

Frank

@jadarnel27 yep, np

bjb568

@cVplZ closes site as not constructive

cVplZ

@Frank +1 for animated jpg

6

Andrew T.

@cVplZ not a dupe of expatriates.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/usa?

user259867

The proposal is also for natives (and permanent immigrants, etc), not just for expats.

cVplZ

4:26 AM

@AndrewT. that seems to maybe be more for immigration laws and hassles? whereas the other one is just every day life?

Andrew T.

Understood.

jadarnel27

I deleted that optical illusion image from the browser because I'm a "hacker." My other hacking skills include typing things into my friend's logged-in social media that they left unattended, that thing that reverses your monitor display, and defrag.

bjb568

@jadarnel27 Reverses your monitor display? Like uni colors? Or like flipityflop?

jadarnel27

Flippity-flop, obviously.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: STM VCP USB_BUSY? by Tim on electronics.stackexchange.com

jadarnel27

4:31 AM

False positive, @SmokeDetector. Things posted by a Tim are always high-quality posts.

Jason C

@SmokeDetector false

SmokeDetector

@JasonC Registered as false positive and added title to Bayesian doctype 'good'.

Jason C

(Tims aside, that actually is a legitimately capitalized title.)

jadarnel27

Well played, @JasonC.

> captureEvents: No appreciable effect. Do not use.

2

Very thorough, Microsoft.

Jason C

At least they're honest.

jadarnel27

4:41 AM

"What did you accomplish today?" "I created web-based documentation for methods that don't do anything useful for consuming developers."

Jason C

No appreciable effect. Do not hire.

jadarnel27

Reminds me of a lot of comments I've seen in code.

// Gets the users
public void GetUsers()
{

bjb568

Huh. abine.com/index.html

animuson

@jadarnel27 I do that in my code. Tells myself "no, this function really doesn't do anything else but what the function name says. Stop second-guessing yourself."

jadarnel27

You shouldn't be second-guessing yourself, since your functions should only be doing one thing anyway (ideally) =)

You could always skip the comment and name the function GetUsersAndDontDoAnythingElse().

user259867

4:51 AM

SPAM drupal.stackexchange.com/questions/138031/…

user259867

Happy hour!

animuson

Yeah well back when I was a noob my entire website ran out of one file, separated into three functions.

jadarnel27

I can definitely relate to that.

animuson

I wonder if Amazon is actually going to give me a $1 digital credit for every one of these orders I selected No-Rush shipping on...

bjb568

Hehheh, me like!

jadarnel27

4:58 AM

That's spyware.

bjb568

I like that I'm blocking it.

user259867

If I follow this link to podcast, with ?cb=1, the page is unstyled. Without ?cb=1 it shows up normally. Anyone else has this?

MysticMagic

Yes @Rafflesia me too.

animuson

@Rafflesiaarnoldii For whatever reason that appendage is forcing the blog to go to the mobile theme.

user259867

I think this was reported already, long time back; can't find it now.

user259867

5:06 AM

Here it is, with status-no-repro. :-/

MysticMagic

:\

vote for reopen..

Jason C

cv-pls minimal stackoverflow.com/questions/27141735

user259867

If I click on Bulletin link on meta.SE, the blog shows up normally. Although the link is the same. Clicking from SO shows mobile theme. Cookie-related, perhaps?

Jason C

I call an answer spoon feeding when it is like your and cant see the fact that OP maybe be confused in the future about lots of primitive types and classes with the same name. I call answers like yours that just want to marked as answer with coding for OP's spoon feeding! — Ali Amiri 2 mins ago

facepalm

MysticMagic

I think op's problem is not that, his problem is that he think, int is a Integer and boolean is Boolean, and for that I posted this answer, because this is what OP asked about. — Ali Amiri 11 mins ago

even after OP's issue solved :P

SmokeDetector

5:13 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title: Muscle Building Supplement by lilahearn on meta.stackexchange.com

hichris123

[ SmokeDetector ] Score of 93.6690: Muscle Building Supplement on meta.stackexchange.com

user259867

(spam long gone, btw)

Andrew T.

hiccup

bjb568

5:30 AM

Night!

user259867

SPAM drupal.stackexchange.com/questions/138034/…

user259867

spam gone

MysticMagic

(Y)

Jason C

5:52 AM

cv-pls broad stackoverflow.com/questions/27141880/optimizing-if-statement

jadarnel27

Brown.

MysticMagic

Done

Jason C

23 hours ago, by Andy

What if the input is brown? — thefourtheye 5 mins ago

user259867

@Oded it happens again... — Shadow Wizard 10 hours ago

user259867

^ Regressions, regressions... Now the names on profile pages on Meta are shifted again.

Jason C

5:56 AM

We should always try to keep at least one "that's what she said" on the star wall, to apply to whatever is above it.

user259867

SPAM meta.stackexchange.com/questions/244156/…

user259867

I don't see the starboard on this Chromebook... only the top message there. The window height is too small, and that field does not scroll. :(

user259867

The link "show 9 more" looks promising...

user259867

6:00 AM

Aww. (meta spam gone, btw)

Jason C

Yeah, the starboard needs a scrollbar. It bugs me on the desktop site on my tablet and phone too.

Andy

cv-pls rec stackoverflow.com/q/27125434/189134

user259867

Granted, this is with 125% zoom in Chrome, and SE does not support zoom.

user259867

SPAM drupal.stackexchange.com/questions/138035/…

Jason C

For the love of god, stackoverflow.com/questions/27141880 really needs to be put out of its misery.

MysticMagic

6:09 AM

I have already voted.. needs 2 more votes

DroidDev

Me has already flajjed :D

user259867

drupal spam gone

Andy

6:24 AM

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/q/27137676/189134

SmokeDetector

7:00 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in username: Web Developer interview questions by Baba on programmers.stackexchange.com

Andrew T.

@SmokeDetector fpu hahaha

What happened to Inf's avatar!?

Infinite Recursion

@SmokeDetector fpu

SmokeDetector

@InfiniteRecursion Registered as false positive, added title to Bayesian doctype 'good', whitelisted user.

Infinite Recursion

@AndrewT. Cloudy like cVplZ :)

Andrew T.

:O

Infinite Recursion

7:08 AM

@cVplZ <3 you are offline...time to test :D

MysticMagic

7:20 AM

Hi @Inf :)

Jason C

Do any of you guys know of any software that's good for just like, managing time and tasks? Personal, not for a team. Something beyond Google Tasks and a spreadsheet. Preferably with some fun mobile app to go with it.

Not necessarily free.

Infinite Recursion

Hiya @MysticMagic :)

MysticMagic

@InfiniteRecursion how's you?

Infinite Recursion

Good. How's you?

Jason C

@InfiniteRecursion I'm going to make you a christmas present.

I'm not telling you what it is, you just remember this moment.

Infinite Recursion

7:37 AM