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6:01 PM

Also, it increases the computational overhead as the list of spammer ids increase. We see about 10 new ids per day on Drupal. Matching them after that forever isn't sane/optimal

Sam

@InfiniteRecursion True, but the ID's could be made to expire.

Infinite Recursion

Ok! Who starred owlie's grammar correction...please confess now!!

Jan, you can rejoice, at least one star troll likes you.

Jan Dvorak

\o/

Infinite Recursion

My dislike increased further, btw.

Louis

Dislike of what?

Infinite Recursion

6:05 PM

Jan's annoying behaviour

Jan Dvorak

annoying to whom?

Louis

oh, I thought the intent right now was playful.

Infinite Recursion

Ducklings

His playfulness is weird. He needs a vacation.

Jan Dvorak

But who will be watching drupal for spam, then?

Infinite Recursion

The server side spam filter

Jan Dvorak

6:09 PM

@InfiniteRecursion doesn't quite work out

Infinite Recursion

and Rafflesiaarnoldii and Pham and Andrew

ProgramFOX

and SmokeDetector

Jan Dvorak

But who will be watching Pham, then?

Sam

Me...

Jan Dvorak

k... cya

Louis

6:11 PM

cya

Andrew T.

cyan

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: XBOX RROD NO FANS OR DISC TRAY WORKING by user92167 on gaming.stackexchange.com

Andrew T.

RROD = Red Ring of Death?

Louis

I can just imagine that Xbox sitting right next to the teletype this individual is using to post.

Jan Dvorak

@AndrewT. likely

@Louis I thought teletypes had lowercase?

Louis

6:14 PM

Maybe some of them.

Jan Dvorak

Don't they have to support all of ASCII?

Infinite Recursion

I like the ID expiry idea @Sam, should significantly reduce the overhead.

Sam

Thx. IMO, a ~week should be enough.

Infinite Recursion

Yes

Louis

@JanDvorak Some of them supported ASCII, not all of them.

Jan Dvorak

6:19 PM

TIL

Louis

Some of them used the BCD code for instance:

BCD (character encoding)

BCD ("Binary-Coded Decimal"), also called alphanumeric BCD, alphameric BCD, BCD Interchange Code, or BCDIC, is a term for a family of representations of numerals, uppercase Latin letters, and some special and control characters as six-bit character codes. Unlike later encodings such as ASCII, BCD codes were not standardized. Different computer manufacturers, and even different product lines of the same manufacturer, often had their own variants, and sometimes included unique characters. Other six-bit encodings with completely different mappings, such as Fieldata and Transcode are sometimes ...

Well, I say the BCD but apparently it depends who you talk to as to which BCD is meant.

"My teletype uses BCD!" "Yay, mine too, let's chat!" "WTH are you sending me gibberish?!?" :(

Infinite Recursion

Have you actually read the post? It's written perfectly well, I wouldn't accept a crappy, vaporous answer. I have edited 912 posts since May 2013, my sole aim was to improve legibility, coherence, grammar, and spelling. Things that are perhaps secondary on SO. RF's post is written in clear English, and I enjoyed reading it! And who is to say that non native speakers didn't learn something from that same post? This is a language site; it's about communication, it's about exchanging our ideas with one another. It's not about writing the shortest answer possible. — Mari-Lou A 26 mins ago

@LightnessRacesinOrbit but that's your opinion. In mine, it was fine as it was. And who was asking the question in the first place? Me. — Mari-Lou A 8 mins ago

Andrew T.

I can't understand their stubbornness...

Sam

^

Louis

Yeah, I saw Mari-Lou's stuff. I've resisted the urge to engage with her comments.

Infinite Recursion

6:30 PM

Good decision. I see her stuff frequently because she posts a lot of stuff, described in her own words - not good quality.

Seriously, on Stack Overflow I'm sure much worse happens. Do I need to trudge through the posts and pick out the memes that have become legendary over there? Can't we have some "related" banter and exchange between ourselves? The question itself was not exactly high brow stuff was it? — Mari-Lou A 4 hours ago

> The question itself was not exactly high brow stuff was it?

If one knows, then why do they post it.

Louis

Yep.

Sam

@InfiniteRecursion 'Cause of the (unfortunately) common "gimmeh deh anzer!" mentality.

Louis

and "gimmeh deh repulsion!" (that's how someone called "rep" recently in a meta post).

Sam

facepalm

TGMCians

facepalm

Infinite Recursion

6:36 PM

Nov 11 at 16:16, by Jason C

@InfiniteRecursion I'm not sure whether to downvote or upvote. I want to downvote, but I don't want to decrease repulsion.

Andrew T.

I start to feel that SE mod intervention is needed, or at least will be needed soon enough. I hope not.

Louis

Regarding the comments on ELU?

Andrew T.

regarding the topic itself, and also the comment thread, more-or-less

This is more depressing than reading 10 rants on MSO or MSE

Louis

"This is more depressing..." perhaps? ;)

Sam

... depressing and tragic.

Andrew T.

6:44 PM

@Louis whoopsie, thanks :p

Infinite Recursion

It won't be required @AndrewT., Lightness is a seasoned user, he will handle it well.

And the lounge and tavern are watching and supporting, so SE intervention may not be required. Their mods are amusing though. Apart from a tiny comment, not a word from any of them.

Atleast they can nuke all the comments about rep and SO.

Nice, I go back to my main page and see I have received two down votes on my questions. Great class, great civility, and maturity. Did you downvote me? I can't possibly know. But it happened while I was on meta. So allow me to compliment the person/s who did, on their petty mindedness — Mari-Lou A 2 mins ago

Louis

Yeah, I mentioned to Shog earlier that I find the lack of mod response there very puzzling. I can completely understand not stepping into all issues. Users who are not mods are quite capable of giving excellent guidance. We see it all the time on Meta.SO. However.... the initial direction in which the answers and comments were going there seemed to me to be completely flying in the face of good network-wide policy, and in light of this, I would have expected a mod there to say something.

Infinite Recursion

It is puzzling, and very disappointing.

rene

6:59 PM

Without friction there is no heat...

Infinite Recursion

-10

Q: Moderators' policy on bullying

I would like to know the moderators' policy on bullying. It seems easy to bully a user. For it takes only 5 users who have sufficient reps to close a question.

^I still couldn't understand why he added trolling tag to that.

@AndrewT., I oneboxed that depressing post for you :)

Andrew T.

decided not to fill this room with more depressing post :x

Infinite Recursion

@LightnessRacesinOrbit I disagree. The whole thing was his answer, he was giving supporting evidence and nuance from examples. He might have worded it better, or given a final wrap up sentence to make it better, but it was still content. Why start an edit war? Comment first. From the very new names on this question (both meta and main), you've brought in a lot of lurkers and infrequent visitors to this case that don't seem to share the ELU culture. — Mitch 24 mins ago

Andrew T.

7:18 PM

(be careful not to click the following transcript to ELU's chatroom)

in English Language & Usage on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 2 mins ago, by Matt Эллен

to be honest, I prefer the post after LRiO's edit

^ Mod's response

Sam

"accidentally" clicks on trans link...

Andrew T.

nvm, I forgot it will open the transcript itself, not automatically join the room :/

Infinite Recursion

in English Language & Usage on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 57 mins ago, by Mitch

@medica Since everybody is guessing about everybody else's motives, I'll do the same. I think all the upvoters in Lightness's favor and downvoters against Roaring Fish are similar to Lightness, lurkers and low frequency visitors. Commentary in an answer here gives needed nuance.

in English Language & Usage on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 17 mins ago, by Mitch

> ...if this site is fragrantly disregarding SE's mission and rules, then it urgently requires review

rene

SPAM meta.stackexchange.com/a/243599/158100

Infinite Recursion

in English Language & Usage on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 17 mins ago, by Mitch

defecatory perfume

Jan Dvorak

7:29 PM

spam gone

Louis

It's funny how they keep harping on "these are outsiders, therefore they are wrong." I guess my answer showing that it is not ELU vs SO but a network-wide principle did not sink in. Or it is rejected but without explanation.

Bart

Thanks for the answer @Louis. Now I don't have to write it. :)

Louis

@Bart I read your comments there and felt the strong urge to say something more. :) You were an inspiration.

Infinite Recursion

They often compare with SO, a few days ago they were trying to remove a mod...they did the same thing.

Remove a mod??

7:32 PM

Heh...

Yes meta.english.stackexchange.com/questions/5338/…

Bart

Pff, what exactly is the harm caused by somewhat inactive moderators?

Jan Dvorak

@Bart inflated mod count?

Bart

Oh god no, the horror!

Infinite Recursion

7:35 PM

Fewer tiny comments on posts which require their presence

Louis

I think the case here is a moderator who had to take an extended leave of absence. (I'm not opining one way or the other, just saying that it is more than somewhat inactive.)

Bart

If that is a problem, I'm sure the team will deal with it. Big fat meh. :)

Andrew T.

potential-cv? stackoverflow.com/questions/19042510/…

Bart

You seem to have understood the question. Can you clarify it?

Infinite Recursion

Not cv-eligible

Jan Dvorak

7:38 PM

@AndrewT. might be useful

and doesn't seem too broad

bjb568

I got 4 of 5 BC calc problems right on a quiz I didn't need to take! \o/

Travis J

Am I mistaken? I was under the impression that each kick-mute caused a moderator flag.

Jan Dvorak

Hi Travis

Travis J

Hi @Jan :)

bjb568

@TravisJ Where'd you get that from?

Infinite Recursion

7:39 PM

We don't close what can be closed, we close what has to be closed @AndrewT.

Travis J

(We were just discussing this)

Bart

@bjb568 well done

@InfiniteRecursion nah, close all the things. Then see if you have to undo some of it.

4

Andrew T.

Okay, thanks all. I think I was too self-aware reading my own old answers, and feeling that the question... didn't show effort.

Travis J

@bjb568 - Probably from being wrong lol Just wanted to see if I could get some sort of semi official confirmation

Jan Dvorak

@AndrewT. did it not? Effort in explaining the issue also counts

bjb568

7:41 PM

@TravisJ No mention of it from what I've read.

Infinite Recursion

cv-pls chat.meta.stackexchange.com/users/161198

Jan Dvorak

@InfiniteRecursion why?

Bart

Some say I'm too broad @JanDvorak

Infinite Recursion

> close all the things. Then see if you have to undo some of it.

Bart

Or primarily opinion based

Andrew T.

7:43 PM

@JanDvorak I see, I think I'm already used to no-code-no-effort paradigm now... might need to adjust myself again

Infinite Recursion

First thing to close: Glasses !!!

Andrew T.

Not door?

Jan Dvorak

We'd have to close prenty of users as unclear

Infinite Recursion

Leave the doors open @AndrewT.

First let's close the glasses.

Bart

Infinite Recursion

7:51 PM

I am unable to flag this, are any of you able to see flag option from transcript?

in English Language & Usage on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 41 mins ago, by Mitch

defecatory perfume

Or do I need to enter the room and flag?

Andrew T.

Better not, she is there

Shog9

@InfiniteRecursion what's the issue?

Also,

0

A: Editing policy for responses to Questions: should we allow the edit to change the response?

This edit raises two issues: No, it doesn't. You raised those issues. But you raised them in a way that took the focus off of you and started a big argument about tangential topics. That's not really fair to anyone involved, including yourself. So, in the future, try to avoid that. If you're...

Bart

@Shog9 All that needs is a "mic drop" at the end.

Jan Dvorak

@Shog9 +9000

Infinite Recursion

Nice answer Shog, that comment looked like an offensive mockery to me...preceded by the blockquote and succeeded by the "SE policy" repetition that follows after that comment.

Bart

8:01 PM

Doesn't really read all that offensive to me @InfiniteRecursion.

Infinite Recursion

Okay

Bart

Then again, I have used "bovine manure" on occasion ... so perhaps my standards are different. :)

Infinite Recursion

That quote is bovine manure? :)

Bart

"people see it's downvotes and I'm not a high rep user, so they downvote out of instinct? That's my guess because that's usually what happens on SO" ... I call bovine manure — Bart Jul 23 '13 at 19:36

Louis

@Shog9 Thanks.

Infinite Recursion

8:07 PM

Is there any topic on which you don't quote yourself @Bart? Everyone quotes Shog, and you quote yourself :D

Bart

"No" - Bart

Andrew T.

Well, time to rest... it's already early morning here

Night!

Night!

here 2:00 am

Night!

8:12 PM

i'am also going to sleep now

Night!

rene

Night @TGMCians

Infinite Recursion

Night!

Bart

Night @AndrewT.

And @TGMCians

rene

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/26890801/…

Infinite Recursion

You should have a generic "night" which you can quote for everyone @Bart

Bart

8:18 PM

Dec 12 '13 at 13:53, by Bart

Good night

Infinite Recursion

Aww...

rene

@Bart Was that the first time you were polite?

Bart

@rene if it was then I can assure you it was accidental.

Infinite Recursion

Huh? He is always polite, isn't he?

rene

Nah, he dutch...

Infinite Recursion

8:21 PM

That too.

SmokeDetector

8:35 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: WHICH DECALS ON A 1948 RUDGE? by Pete Penguin on bicycles.stackexchange.com

rene

Can someone spend one extra cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/11438724/… to get this in the CVQ?

rene

8:49 PM

Only funny if you're a Republican I guess: puzzling.stackexchange.com/a/4682/370

Frank

9:10 PM

Hiy'all!

bjb568

macrumors.com/2014/11/14/att-no-longer-using-perma-cookies

rene

@Frank hi

Frank

vlq gardening.stackexchange.com/questions/8232/…

SmokeDetector

9:43 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: FATAL ERROR ON MAGENTO WEBSITE by Lima on stackoverflow.com

Frank

I bet no one at GL was expecting this.

0

Q: Can I grow pineapple plants from seed, rather than crowns?

The other day, As I was eating pineapple, I noticed that it was full of seeds (see pic below for what they look like). I have grown plants from the crowns on top of the fruit (even a couple patented ones that were mutated to prevent propagation - don't tell anyone :P), but I'm actually interested...

containers germination seed-saving optimal-conditions bromeliads

But it's for the topic challenge.

user259867

Typo in "The other day, As"

Frank

@Rafflesiaarnoldii I see.

Actually I don't; just fixed.

user259867

Funny how this was massively downvoted...

user259867

-51

Q: How could I ignore questions from users with less than 20 reputation?

I found that I am often answering questions for persons who have a 20 or less reputation. This isn't on purpose... most of the time, by the time I write out my answer and finished, I finally realize that the low reputation of the user makes the likelihood of them marking the question as answered...

discussion reputation

user259867

9:53 PM

... and then implemented.

user259867

18

Q: Feedback requested: New "recommended" homepage, phase 4 - filters

We've implemented the unpolished filters mockup from this question in an equally unpolished manner. Currently, this is only on the "recommended" tab, found here: http://stackoverflow.com/?tab=recommended A few notes: each option has a tooltip with more information (available on mouse o...

discussion featured question-quality homepage se-quality-project

Frank

I like my edit:

puzzling.stackexchange.com/posts/3774/revisions

user259867

I'm focusing on suggesting edits on SO. Gotta have reputation, or my questions will be invisible. (Assuming I ever ask a question there.)

Frank

@Rafflesiaarnoldii Why not answer?

user259867

Nov 2 at 0:04, by just a brick in the wall

I'm not that bad at JS... I even considered answering JS questions on SO at some point. Took some water and extra rest, and it passed.

Frank

10:06 PM

Answering on SO can't be that bad, unless you suck...

user259867

10:18 PM

@Frank What was the mortality rate among tropical plants?

Frank

@Rafflesiaarnoldii 0%, although some had some major dieoff, none completely died.

Frank

10:37 PM

Is this a dupe?

0

Q: Please show proper weekly/monthly etc. reputation on mobile

On mobile, if I search users by ?tab=reputation&filter=[week][month][quarter][year], the users are listed properly for the respective filters, in proper order of rep gained in that time period, but their reputation shown is their all-time rep. It would be more useful if their reputation shown act...

feature-request reputation mobile-web tabs

Sam

10:55 PM

in SO Close Vote Reviewers on Stack Overflow Chat, 3 mins ago, by Sam

cv-pls typo http://stackoverflow.com/questions/23996185/why-does-it-take-longer-to-access-to‌-a-previously-created-variable-than-a-variab

Frank

11:07 PM

I vote to his first reversal badge on MSE!

19

A: Restriction on down votes when the question has been stablished and has an accepted answer

According to the above I suggest if a question already have been established (moderated) and have an accepted answer then down-vote to the question loose its main functionality, and I suggest to be restricted. I don't know what you mean exactly by "established (moderated)". However, the pres...

Louis

@Frank Thanks.

Frank

@Louis That wasn't me, I already voted..

user259867

status-mission-accomplished

Frank

status-mission-accomplished

do it right.

user259867

Dunno how. Teach me!

Louis

11:11 PM

Well, Frank, you brought attention to it. So thanks, still. :) And thanks to all who voted.

Frank

@Rafflesiaarnoldii [status-mission-accomplished]

no 'tag:'

@Louis :P

Louis

status-something-or-other

Oh.... that works.

Frank

yup

Louis

[platypus-emu-ostrich]

Ah, that does not work. :(

user259867

status-must-begin-with-status

Louis

11:13 PM

I guess you have to have the [status- bit.

user259867

Just came across a nice SEDE query: Reviews on your posts. Who reviewed your very first post (and how), etc. Turned out someone threw a CV on my question once (all three reviewers turned it down, of course).

Frank

11:28 PM

almost at reversal.

bjb568

… who thinks of politics when using a slider? — bjb568 11 secs ago

^ UX people are weird

Frank

so is this

anyway...

dupe? meta.stackexchange.com/questions/243613/…

user259867

Not a dupe. Bad behavior on the site != offensive profile page

bjb568

!dup

Frank

11:45 PM

oops, I meant of meta.stackexchange.com/questions/1323/flag-abusive-users

Seems like a dupe of that.

The user is being abusive.

Louis

Seems right.

Frank

Too bad I can't redo flags.

Louis

I flagged with your new link.

Frank

Should write a feature request: allow flag withdraw within a short time-period in case of mistakes.

Louis

Hmm... I don't think there would be much enthousiasm for such request. Mind you, it is not a bad request (IMO) but the harm caused by not being able to withdraw and reflag is not huge.

So the question is "should devs spend time on this or something else (that may yield greater benefits)?"

user259867

11:52 PM

There is some support for this...

user259867

193

Q: Cancel misclicked flags

I'm wondering (since it just happened to me), is it possible to "cancel" ("undo", "delete", whatever) a flag I just raised if I misclicked it, so the mods won't waste time? I looked everywhere, but I can't find such a feature.