Tavern on the Meta

(If you didn't see the bug report, essentially it's possible for the top of the monologue to push the selected message off screen, which really messes things up)

github.com/rchern/StackExchangeScripts/issues#issue/18

rchern

Ah right. You brought that up a while before the ticket was created? I think I remember you mentioning it at least.

Tim Stone

Ah yeah, I think maybe I had thought of it, heh. :P

Clearly the selected message should be kept in view, but I'm not sure if it makes sense to position it at the top/bottom of the screen depending on scroll direction, or to center it, or what.

waffles

ello @Tim

Yi Jiang

1:10 AM

@waffles 'llo

waffles

:)

rchern

''lo @YiJiang and @waffles

waffles

1:28 AM

@Yi @rchern @Tim ... just keeping the ...allo alive

rchern

poor @YiJiang

Tim Stone

Heheh, clearly we're a lively bunch tonight.

rchern

someone should really go edit the users table and get rid of the space in the display name (;

Popular Demand

@waffles "@Yi"? You should know better, sir!

waffles

well we are all in awe of Jeffs 100k reputation points on meta .. hence the silence

rchern

1:30 AM

ah, here we go.

@PopularDemand, allo!

waffles

@rchern , while they are at it, they should make user names unique

rchern

hehe

Just change the column to be unique and pass out random numbers. I'm sure nobody will notice.

Popular Demand

@waffles Those guys were wrong to allow users to specify names. If you can't remember your assigned user ID, why

@rchern Argh!

Tim Stone

@waffles Ah, of course.

status-bydesign

rchern

I spent way too much time on odata today trying to figure out why it showed the author as my gmail username instead of my SE display name.

oy.

waffles

1:33 AM

@rchern and did you discover the reason

rchern

yeah I went in and changed it. I guess I just figured it to associate/pull from my other accounts hehe.

ya know, magically!

Michael Mrozek

@PopularDemand Not only do I know my SO, MSO and Unix IDs, I know Jon Skeet's SO ID from all the SEDE queries I've run on him

Popular Demand

@MichaelMrozek If it weren't so ridiculous, I'd think that you were proud of that.

rchern

@PopularDemand I think he is anyway.

Michael Mrozek

A co-worker had a problem with something I happened to have answered recently on SO, so I told him to search for "[emacs] user:309308", and he looked at me like it was totally insane to know my SO ID

rchern

1:47 AM

I know mine. And Jeff's. (;

Michael Mrozek

I know rchern's. I know everything about rchern

eyes bulge insanely

rchern

o:

Michael Mrozek

I don't know Jeff's, although I did feel happy when I passed him in SO rep. New goal: MSO rep

Popular Demand

@MichaelMrozek Surely you kid.

Michael Mrozek

How dare you. 100k is a totally reasonable goal for someone with 7k. Or something

waffles

1:48 AM

:) I have been so tempted to run update users set id = 6 where Id = 17174

rchern

@MichaelMrozek, did you just refer to yourself as something?

waffles

Overtaking Jeff on meta is not a realistic goal :)

Michael Mrozek

@rchern Indeed I did. Oops

Popular Demand

@MichaelMrozek I meant about Jeff's ID, but okay, that too.

waffles

my goal is to overtake Jon Skeet on Meta one day :)

Michael Mrozek

1:49 AM

@waffles You would be a terrible parent :(. Stop crushing my dreams

waffles

lol

rchern

my goal is to get 3k rep >_>

Maciej Piechotka

Any idea why I cannot log into SE chat?

rchern

I dream big!

Maciej Piechotka

0

Q: Problem logging into chat

I'm logged into several SE sites and in the past chat did worked for me. However since some time it refuses to log me in stating I'm not logged on any SE site. I've tried both with Fx and WebKit Epiphany. There is no problem with tavern.

Michael Mrozek

1:50 AM

@rchern Ambition is the enemy of success

Popular Demand

@MaciejPiechotka DOM storage problem?

That was my problem, at any rate.

rchern

@MaciejPiechotka, log out of everything and log back in?

Popular Demand

Are you using Firefox?

Michael Mrozek

@MaciejPiechotka Did you try logging out and back in to an SE site?

After that you can try rchern's plan

waffles

@MaciejPiechotka cookies? did you try other browsers ?

rchern

1:51 AM

LOL....in other words, no, we have no ideas.

Maciej Piechotka

@waffles: yes - as stated (Fx is my second browser)

waffles

@MaciejPiechotka well I am not sure what is up, perhaps wait for the chat guys to get online in a few hours .... Can you try Chrome in incognito mode?

Maciej Piechotka

@waffles: I tried after few days. On different OSes :) - including chrome (but not in incognito mode)

After logging out and logging in it displays message

Your login data seems too old; please log in to any StackExchange site to refresh it.

Which is strange as I just logged in

waffles

I'll ask Kev to have a look when he is around

rchern

the issue isn't whether you're logged in or not

it's when you logged in

if it says that, definitely log out and log back in

waffles

1:59 AM

@MaciejPiechotka by fx ... i am hoping you mean firefox

Maciej Piechotka

@rchern But... I just logged out and logged in

rchern

@MaciejPiechotka of everywhere or just the current site?

Maciej Piechotka

@waffles: F*irefo*x - yes

rchern

there's 2 log out buttons aren't there?

Maciej Piechotka

@rchern: everywhere

rchern

2:00 AM

And then you log in, and then it says the data is too old?

Michael Mrozek

@rchern Does that matter? People keep saying to log out everywhere; it seems like logging in anywhere would overwrite your login data

rchern

@MichaelMrozek just going off what I've seen mentioned before. What do you think I am, an expert? (;

Maciej Piechotka

@rchern Yes. Previously it just loaded indefinitly

Tim Stone

The real key here is that chat.SE requires human sacrifice. It's in the fine print, but no one reads it.

rchern

@MaciejPiechotka, what version of Firefox?

I wonder if I can get in on my iphone yet

Michael Mrozek

2:03 AM

I think @KevinMontrose is the one who wrote global auth, maybe he can help. Or we can blame him; both are good

Maciej Piechotka

@rchern 3.6.12

rchern

hmm. and 3.6 is when localStorage become supported I think.

Moshe

Hi

rchern

I think I'm running 3.6.10 anyway

Moshe

I was wondering where everyone was

then I realized that I was on chat.SO, not chat.meta

What's the login bug everyone's chattering about?

rchern

2:05 AM

problems with the global auth and getting in to chat.SE

Moshe

ah

Kevin Montrose

@Maciej - you've got a global auth session last updated 73 hours ago, has anything changed since then?

Maciej Piechotka

@rchern As I think - global auth did stop working about the same time

Moshe

Good luck fixing that then. I had my own user account troubles recently.

But thankfully, those are over.

Maciej Piechotka

@KevinMontrose Besides broken auth - nothing that I recall

rchern

2:07 AM

if you've been logging out of everything and logging back in, why is it 73 hours old? oO

blech, still no go for chat.SE on my iphone >_>

Michael Mrozek

And why is that "too old", I'm pretty sure mine are that old

Kevin Montrose

too old is a bit of guess on the chat.SE side

Maciej Piechotka

@rchern No. After logging in and out twice

Moshe

@rchern -speaking of iPhone, AT&T so graciously signed me up for a data plan. Without asking first, of course.

Michael Mrozek

@Moshe Did they do it for free? Because jackpot if they did

Moshe

2:10 AM

Anyone know if using my MacBook while it's plugged in kills battery?

rchern

either way. if you've logged out of everywhere, i guess I thought when you logged in again it would create a new global auth token.

Moshe

@MichaelMrozek - I wish...

rchern

Shows how much I know. (;

Moshe

@MichaelMrozek - I'm not a fan of AT&T anymore.

They said I can't use the iPhone anymore since we're not paying for the data.

Kevin Montrose

@MaciejPiechotka - I've nuked that session, lets see if you can get a brand new one successfully. Go logout-everywhere/login on any site you have an account on.

Tim Stone

2:13 AM

To be fair, they're pretty upfront about automatically switching you to a data plan when you have a data-consuming smart phone on their network. :P

Moshe

@TimStone - Really? I never heard about this.

I turned off data when I got it.

I don;t want nor need it.

I got it second-hand

Tim Stone

Yeah, it's part of the contract.

Moshe

@TimStone Which contract?

Tim Stone

I think there's a blurb on the site if you manage your account online as well.

Moshe

And who reads those N page long contracts?

I'm not the account holder anyway

But really, they added me to the more expensive plan.

Maciej Piechotka

2:15 AM

@KevinMontrose When I reloaded window I was still logged in.

And the problem persisted

Moshe

G'luck.

Maciej Piechotka

after manually logging out everywhere (single button) + in

Moshe

night

Kevin Montrose

@Maciej - you got a global auth token, so that's working... problem must be reading it.
Running NoScript or similar?

(presumably with SO, etc. opted out)

Maciej Piechotka

@KevinMontrose On Fx - yes (with SE opt out). On Epiphany - no.

Sorry. I need to go now. Goodnight

Kevin Montrose

2:20 AM

@Maciej - is StackAuth.com opted out? its the actual key store

Michael Mrozek

@KevinMontrose Some magic way to detect that would be handy, since probably 0 NoScript users have that domain whitelisted

Kevin Montrose

yeah, but the magic way to detect it is javascript

kind of a catch-22

rchern

haha

Kevin Montrose

might have chat.SE put it in a trouble shooting tip explicitly for FireFox...

rchern

there's been some problems with mobile access, but apparently that's a separate issue.

Michael Mrozek

2:24 AM

Is there a reason to not just use stackexchange.com?

rchern

What do you mean?

Kevin Montrose

well, global auth wasn't really originally designed for this honestly. Like, the mobile case was written off more or less. Can be made to work, just needs some tweaking.

Even SE.com style "auto account creation" was just a hypothetical.

rchern

I still maintain that there's code in there that checks for my id and starts laughing at the prospect of letting me in.

Tim Stone

@rchern That would explain why seemingly no one else has issues with logging in to mobile chat :P

rchern

There was 1 other person that mentioned it. I don't think they were on an iPhone either.

Tim Stone

2:31 AM

Just a decoy to make it seem inconspicuous. ;)

rchern

Naturally.

Probably one of the team's sock puppets anyway.

Tim Stone

Now we just need to add the ability to magically resolve your situation into the userscript.

rchern

Heh.

Tim Stone

...and then make userscripts work on mobile devices.

rchern

The issue I only see on my iPhone?

q:

Tim Stone

2:34 AM

You do do .NET development right? Maybe Steve Jobs is seeking retribution.

rchern

Heh.

I've dabbled at writing iPhone apps

Tim Stone

Ah, you're a braver programmer than I then. I've had a hand with Objective-C, and continue to have square-bracket-filled nightmares.

rchern

I'm using dabbled pretty loosely. (;

Tim Stone

Hah :P

Yi Jiang

5:39 AM

This is one of the most interesting purely CSS question I've answered for a long time

1

Q: Why is my Javascript interacting with this element wrongly?

Here is the HTML: <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd"> <!-- MYNAME 11/3/2010 CISC 131 Die.html uses the html within it and the style sheet located in Die.css to create a die whoes functionality...

javascript html css

Tim Stone

Yeah, yeah, I already upvoted you ;)

Michael Mrozek

5:57 AM

This website won't let me unsubscribe from their e-mails, but they do let me control which categories of e-mail I receive. 27 categories, to be specific, each with On/Off radio buttons

I ended up writing a line of jQuery to do it instead of clicking them all

rchern

jQuery saves the day, again!

Tim Stone

Hooray!

George Edison

Does anyone want to try something cool out and give me feedback?

Tim Stone

Will my computer burst into flames and make me instantly regret volunteering?

George Edison

It's a website.

I just want you to look at it :)

stackmobile.com/beta

Tim Stone

6:05 AM

I think that's do-able. ;)

George Edison

It's designed for mobile browsers, but should be usable on any desktop browser.

Greg Hewgill

trying on kindle now

Tim Stone

I've got my phone handy, so lemme try there.

George Edison

Great!

Lance Roberts

Wow, that's pretty nice on a normal browser, I'll try my blackberry next.

George Edison

6:07 AM

(I tried it myself using the Android emulator and webOS emulator.)

Greg Hewgill

not sure I like the black background (especially on a kindle)

George Edison

Oh :) So then your request is customizable backgrounds?

Greg Hewgill

actually, I am sure. it's awful. :)

George Edison

(I'm making a list...)

Greg Hewgill

why the dark background? that was so 1998

George Edison

6:08 AM

@Greg: Try the old site: stackmobile.com

That's the current version.

Greg Hewgill

yeah, that's much nicer to read

George Edison

I'll make sure to have extra themes available.

Greg Hewgill

I didn't realise until just now, how much dark backgrounds don't work on the kindle :)

Lance Roberts

Big empty space at top on blackberry, under logo.

rchern

hehe, I like dark backgrounds.

George Edison

6:12 AM

@Lance: Uh-oh... that's not good.

rchern

Well, depends on where. But I use dark themes on VS and IRC. (:

George Edison

@rchern: So you like the theme?

Lance Roberts

That was on StackOverflow page, on the Questions page, the big space is right under the "Questions on Stack Overflow:" statement.

Tim Stone

Looks good to me, although I had to turn the brightness way up to easily distinguish between the background, the item background, and the vote buttons.

Greg Hewgill

SitesController is missing the action 'search'.

rchern

6:13 AM

yes, just glanced at it.

What's the ordering on the sites?

George Edison

Some of the pages are not complete yet.

@rchern: Default right now.

Lance Roberts

On the questions page, the background isn't different enough on the votes to distinguish it from the number of answers, so it just looked like a '10' on the first question on the list.

George Edison

But there will be a sort bar at the top eventually.

rchern

I thought by age, but StackApps is buried

Yi Jiang

@GeorgeEdison Really need more contrast for vote/answer count against background

rchern

6:14 AM

Not that it has anything to do with themes (:

George Edison

@rchern: That's planned - I'm working on a MASSIVE caching system that will store all kinds of stuff about the sites.

Lance Roberts

The title on a question page is squeezed in between the votes and the user logo, and then squeezed out the bottom.

On the answers, the answer text is the same way.

I think you should probably have the user stuff and the votes in one horizontal space, then have the answer/"question title" after that.

George Edison

@Lance: That's odd, that's not what it's supposed to do...

I stuck 'clear: both' in the style... I think...

Lemme check.

Lance Roberts

Give me a sec a I'll see if I can take a pic of it.

George Edison

Aha! '<h3 style="clear: both;">'

So there is a bug in there somewhere.

The <h3> is the title of the question.

rchern

6:18 AM

sounds like a feature to me.

George Edison

Why a feature?

It's not supposed to squeeze in between the votes box and the user box.

In CSS, clear: both should force it to a new line.

rchern

You should probably just ignore me. I'm being too sarcastic to be useful.

George Edison

That's okay.

I appreciate any feedback I can get!

rchern

Was just playing that bugs aren't really bugs. Bugs are just features.

George Edison

Do you like the slide-down info panels?

Like on the list of questions page.

rchern

6:21 AM

Oh, there's different behavior depending on where you click?

Greg Hewgill

there's a black-on-black (v) button on the right :)

rchern

Didn't notice that til you said something.

Maybe on a mobile device where it was more right in front of me instead of waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay over there on the right it'd be more obvious hehe.

George Edison

You wouldn't like it if it was right beside the title :)

Trust me - I tried it... UGLY!

Here is what it looks like on webOS (that would include Palm Pre, etc.)

Greg Hewgill

ah, I just noticed something about that slide-down thing. It looked pretty messy on the Kindle, and I realised why only after trying it in Safari, it's got an actual "slide" animation thing that turns out horridly on the kindle display

George Edison

rchern

6:23 AM

Well, I just mean that on my computer, the longest SF question title barely hits half my screen width. So, I wasn't really looking at the right edge of the screen.

George Edison

@Greg: So disable JavaScript for the Kindle then?

Greg Hewgill

a key point of kindle-friendly sites is to not do any animation

George Edison

@rchern: It'll be different on a mobile device :)

Greg Hewgill

no, I'm not going to turn off JS just because of one site

rchern

@GeorgeEdison Yup, that's whait I said. (:

George Edison

6:24 AM

@Greg: I know.

I meant that the site should not use it.

It should be able to detect 'Kindle' in the user-agent string.

PLUS, I plan to eventually set up a login system so people can bookmark stuff, change style, disable JS, etc.

Greg Hewgill

yeah, that would be a good idea, don't do animation stuff on e-ink displays :)

George Edison

Ya, that causes problems on Opera Mini too.

Lance Roberts

yfrog.com/5rdsc00053lrj

George Edison

Thanks!

Lance Roberts

Dangit, should have shown the pic there, that's the question.

2nd try:

George Edison

6:28 AM

Okay, first of all, I see the need for another style - for really small-width devices.

It also seems like the BB is ignoring the 'clear: both' style.

Lance Roberts

the answer:

Funny how I really notice the '1 hours ago' bug.

George Edison

Oops :)

Lance Roberts

We should find some newbie to go tell Jeff about it.

George Edison

@rchern (:

@Lance: Why Jeff?

Lance Roberts

That was the best laugh I had all day. I'll give you the link in a second.

rchern

6:33 AM

@GeorgeEdison ?

Lance Roberts

Dear Next Person Who Opens a Pluralization 'Bug', I will personally come to your house and bludgeon you to death with a giant S

Tweeted by codinghorror on February 1, 2009 at 2:33 AM

George Edison

It's a backwards smilie. (:

rchern

It isn't backwards, but why are you smiling at me? Hehe

Lance Roberts

I thought you meant that rchern should go tell Jeff about the pluralization bug.

George Edison

@rchern: It is backwards!

:)

vs.

(:

@Lance:

7

A: New users can't create new tags: show a singular or plural message?

http://explore.twitter.com/codinghorror/status/1165936105 Dear Next Person Who Opens a Pluralization 'Bug', I will personally come to your house and bludgeon you to death with a giant S But not you. I like you. You're nice.

Tim Stone

6:35 AM

Hm, apparently really long, unbroken strings in posts mess things up.

George Edison

Argh!!!!

Tim Stone

Not sure if there's much to be done about that.

George Edison

I wrote a really long piece of code that was supposed to fix those!

Tim Stone

But I'm really confused why the answers got different font sizes... /blames mobile Safari

George Edison

It has to do with CSS.

It manifests the same on webOS too.

rchern

6:36 AM

@GeorgeEdison No, it really isn't. It looks just fine to me. (:

George Edison

You might see links end in '...' - that means it's been truncated so as not to do what you've shown above.

And code statements are treated the same way.

However, it seems like regular text can have long lines too.

I guess there's more work to be done on that - it was a complicated piece of code that used DOMDocument and RegEx :)

@rchern: Whatever... one smilie is just as good as another :P

Am I spelling it right?

rchern

q:

@GeorgeEdison Yes, you spelled it correctly.

George Edison

What is what?

Oh, 'smilies'.

Good. It just looked funny.

Tim Stone

@GeorgeEdison Still, shame on that 10K+ user for incorrectly linking, and to Java 1.4.2 documentation on top of that! :P

George Edison

@TimStone Hmmm... yeah - if it was a regular link, it would've worked properly.

Tim Stone

6:42 AM

:)

George Edison

How do you guys think I should handle comments for non-JS browsers?

Just display all of them at once?

(Could be a problem with some posts that have >100 comments.)

radp

0

A: Formatting Sandbox

ThisIsAReallyLongUnbrokenLineOfTextRepeatingNowThisIsAReallyLongUnbrokenLineOfTextRepeatingNowThisIsAReallyLongUnbrokenLineOfTextRepeatingNowThisIsAReallyLongUnbrokenLineOfTextRepeatingNowThisIsAReallyLongUnbrokenLineOfTextRepeatingNowThisIsAReallyLongUnbrokenLineOfTextRepeatingNowThisIsAReallyLo...

rchern

show them on a separate page?

Tim Stone

@radp Hahah :P

radp

@TimStone That's what the sandbox is for :)

George Edison

6:43 AM

@rchern: Hmmm... good idea.

That would sure be easier.

rchern

[View 7 comments] linking to the page?

Tim Stone

@rchern Seconded, since there are often lengthy comment blocks I have zero interest in reading.

rchern

might be nice to know the number

George Edison

@Tim: Yeah, I figured that most people would be not too happy if a page had hundreds of comments and they were on a tight bandwidth plan.

Those extra KiB add up!

Tim Stone

@GeorgeEdison Yeah, that's an important consideration too.

George Edison

6:45 AM

(By the way, that's a kibibyte.)

Kibibyte

The kibibyte is a multiple of the unit byte for quantities of digital information. The binary prefix kibi means 1024, therefore 1 kibibyte is . The unit symbol for the kibibyte is KiB. The unit was established by the International Electrotechnical Commission (IEC) in 1999 and has been accepted for use by all major standards organizations. It was designed to replace the kilobyte used in some computer science contexts to mean 1024 bytes, which conflicts with the SI definition of the prefix kilo. Definition :1 kibibyte = 210 bytes = 1024 bytes. The prefix kibi is derived as a mnemonic fro...

radp

Maybe show one comment if it has more than, say, 5 upvotes.

George Edison

@radp: So only show comments WHERE score > 5?

radp

Then that means there's a serious problem with the answer.

@GeorgeEdison Maybe the first.

George Edison

@radp: Not necessarily, some of the posts on Meta have a lot of comments.

...and there's nothing wrong with them!

radp

@GeorgeEdison yeah, that's why I'd say only show one :)

or maybe instead show "Read 5 comments, best scored 20"

Lance Roberts

6:48 AM

Notice something wrong here: "Definition :1 kibibyte = 210 bytes = 1024 bytes"

George Edison

No...

...except that the exponent on 2^10 is not written in superscript like on the page.

1 kibibyte = 2^10 bytes.

radp

2¹⁰

George Edison

1 kilobyte = 1000 bytes.

@radp: Clever!

radp

@GeorgeEdison Unicode :D

George Edison

I figured.

Lance Roberts

6:50 AM

@GeorgeEdison ah, ok, didn't go to the page.

George Edison

١٥٧٤ <--- good old Unicode!

radp

Don't you ? unicode?

George Edison

@radp: All I see is a question mark :P

Or is that the joke?

radp

George Edison

Aha!

I wish there was a "I e<& UTF-8" tshirt :)

George Edison

7:42 AM

Thanks for the feedback everyone!

See you some other time!

Yi Jiang

1:32 PM

I wonder what cause the outage just now

radp

Great way to crash a web-cluster, self: `public string JsonWithFlags { get { return JsonWithFlags; } }` #braindead

Tweeted by marcgravell on November 8, 2010 at 12:54 PM

no need to spin the wheel o' blame here...

Yi Jiang

@radp I have no idea what that does.

radp

return JsonWithFlags implicitly calls the get method for the JsonWithFlag property

so the stack trace looks like:
public string JsonWIthFlags.get
public string JsonWIthFlags.get
public string JsonWIthFlags.get
public string JsonWIthFlags.get
public string JsonWIthFlags.get
public string JsonWIthFlags.get
public string JsonWIthFlags.get
public string JsonWIthFlags.get
public string JsonWIthFlags.get
public string JsonWIthFlags.get
public string JsonWIthFlags.get
public string JsonWIthFlags.get
...

Yi Jiang

@radp Oh, recursion. Nice...

radp

Yeah, it's as if he wrote this:

class Foo():
  def __init__(self):
    return Foo()

Benjol

1:53 PM

#1 in the list of C# gotchas :)

101

A: What is the worst gotcha in C# or .NET?

private int myVar; public int MyVar { get { return MyVar; } } Blammo. Your app crashes with no stack trace. Happens all the time. (Notice capital MyVar instead of lowercase myVar in the getter)

Yi Jiang

@Benjol double post

Benjol

weird, slow updates

radp

@YiJiang your userscript at work? :)

Benjol

@radp, no not his fault this time. And unfortunately now the guilt could be shared anyway ;)

Yi Jiang

var msg = $('#input').val();
setTimeout(function(){
    $('#input').val(msg);
    $('#sayit-button').click();
}, 400);

Double post FTW!

radp

1:57 PM

Isn't that like 2000?

plus an undocumented exponential backoff term?

rchern

@radp I can't decide how to react to this. "*YiJiang's script?*" or "*yay blame someone that isn't me*"

(;

radp

@rchern no, he mentioned once that he ought to make a userscript that detects double post and complained automagically

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