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Mark E

12:00 AM

on SO, I'm using OData now

it was a term that I liked

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@MarkE Googling for "site:stackoverflow.com couch Mark E" returns nothing of interest

Mark E

I know!

rchern

hehehe, I'm going the api route

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so was I!

Isn't Google the Internet's API..?

Mark E

does the API have a convenient query interface?

heh, I'm full-text searching the comments to my posts

using OData

for all links

ooh, it's taking some time, too

rchern

12:03 AM

you said it is on one of your answers?

Mark E

yeah, I believe it was a comment on one of my answers

if not, it was a comment in direct reply to me, I'll search that in a minute

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Well I'm off to see The Social Network, catch you guys later!

Mark E

see ya

dang, my query isn't returning =/

no wait, just took 90s

Yi Jiang

@MarkE Yeah, complex queries take a lot of time. If it doesn't say anything, just wait for it

Mark E

@YiJiang It's not that bad, I mean, I only have ~250 answers

and I'm filtering by that first...

Yi Jiang

12:06 AM

@MarkE I actually once did a query for LIKE '%@Yi Jiang%' in the comments that took around three minutes I think

Mark E

ok

the odata images aren't showing up for me, anyone else having trouble with that?

Yi Jiang

@MarkE Yeah, they broke some CDN image links I think

Mark E

hm

Yi Jiang

There's a bunch of stuff referring to the sstatic server which is broken right now

Mark E

maybe the odata stuff isn't up to date enough to have this comment

now i'm very frustrated

Yi Jiang

12:09 AM

@MarkE It's updated monthly

Mark E

frustrated I can't find the comment, not at odata

Yi Jiang

@MarkE Try searching the API?

Mark E

never used it, will take a look now

Yi Jiang

@MarkE api.stackoverflow.com/1.0/help/method?method=users{id}/comments

rchern

I'm working on finding it. Doesn't seem to be in the most recent 100 answers

Yi Jiang

12:11 AM

Erm... the link broke...

rchern

Or I did something wrong.

Mark E

wonder if it got deleted

Yi Jiang

Dang... okay, http://api.stackoverflow.com/1.0/help/method?method=users/{id}/comments

Mark E

the term had something to do with perpetuating what amounts to a meme

because I didn't explain something enough

or something like that

could've sworn it had the word couch in it

@YiJiang that's not going to find comments on my answers, is it?

ah yeah, i need the october dataset to be on odata so i can just query this

Yi Jiang

@MarkE You can try grabbing a list of your answers, with comments using this route: http://api.stackoverflow.com/1.0/help/method?method=users/{id}/answers pass in the comments option so that it'll retrieve the comments as well as the answers

rchern

12:15 AM

not seeing the proper one by searching "couch" or "wiki" in your 257 comments

Mark E

@YiJiang there's something other than going to that URL I need to do to access the API? (I'm getting a 404)

@rchern Can you tell me how to run the query and I'll skim for what I'm looking for?

rchern

I'm using a few different api hits

Mark E

ok

i'll just do it with jQuery

rchern

any other search terms?

or I can give you full text of the comments

Yi Jiang

@MarkE was it something on session fixation?

@Artefacto, <a href=\"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Session_fixation\" rel=\"nofollow\">Wikipedia suggests a number of ways beyond simply not accepting GET/POST SIDs</a>

That's the only comment that has a wikipedia link

This is the $.ajax options I used

rchern

12:27 AM

I'm searching mentions now

Yi Jiang

$.ajax({
    url: 'http://api.stackoverflow.com/1.0/users/21441/answers',
    data: {
        pagesize: 100,
        comments: true,
        page: 1
    },
    cache: true,
    jsonp: 'jsonp',
    dataType: 'jsonp',
    sucess: function(data){
        console.log(data);
    }
});

Mark E

hm

maybe it's gone

it was something about starting a "cascade"

but i could swear it had the word couch in it

I thought i was recent -- within the last two or three weeks

what do you guys use to run your JS?

Yi Jiang

@MarkE Erm... the browser...?

Mark E

heh, fair enough

rchern

I'm actually using c# (:

Mark E

12:30 AM

i was trying to use chrome's dev console

but i've got to figure out how to get it to load jquery

Yi Jiang

@MarkE Just use it - the entirety of SO is jQuerified

Mark E

I realize that

it got mad at me when I tried to access the API from the chat domain

Yi Jiang

If you're on Firefox with Firebug, there's an add-on called Firequery that includes an option to inject jQuery to any arbitrary site

Mark E

> Origin chat.meta.stackoverflow.com is not allowed by Access-Control-Allow-Origin.

Yi Jiang

@MarkE You need jsonp

Mark E

12:31 AM

jsonp?

Yi Jiang

@MarkE json with padding. Basically, the json is transmitted inside a callback function, and a script tag is used to load the data

rchern

nothing with cascade in answer comments or mentions >_<

Yi Jiang

Instead of the usual XmlHttpRequest object

Mark E

ok, I guess it's lost =/

i wish i remembered enough to describe the concept

also @rchern, to make life difficult it was probably before I switched from "Mark" to "Mark E"

though I suspect your mentions search is using my id?

rchern

Searching 257 answers for cascade.
Searching page 1
Searching page 2
Searching page 3
Searching 102 mentions for cascade.
Searching page 1
Searching page 2
Press any key to continue . . .

gist.github.com/663462

Mark E

12:38 AM

heh, thanks

rchern

no laughing at hastily written code

Mark E

hm, I wonder if it was downvoted and I deleted it or something

can I find my own deleted posts?

meh, this seems fruitless

but thanks for the help

rchern

no, you can't see your deleted posts.

Mark E

so the term described perpetuating a design pattern

without describing the rationale

or something to that effect

rchern

as you can see i've got term in a variable, so just tell me what to plug in and i can hit f5 (;

Mark E

12:45 AM

if i remembered the term i wouldn't need to search =(

bingo

phew

Cargo cult

A cargo cult is a religious practice that has appeared in many traditional tribal societies in the wake of interaction with technologically advanced cultures. The cults focus on obtaining the material wealth (the "cargo") of the advanced culture through magic and religious rituals and practices. Cult members believe that the wealth was intended for them by their deities and ancestors. Cargo cults developed primarily in remote parts of New Guinea and other Melanesian and Micronesian societies in the southwest Pacific Ocean, beginning with the first significant arrivals of Westerners in the...

now @rchern, tell me what that comment was on and put me out of my misery

the comment will be something like "this is how cargo cults start"

rchern

This answer would be much more useful if it went into why the original code didn't work, rather than just presenting fixed code. This is how cargo cults get started.

Mark E

(yay, memory! [and also, yay, browser history!])

@rchern that's the one, what's post id?

rchern

stackoverflow.com/questions/3816233/…

Mark E

Cargo cult programming

Cargo cult programming is a style of computer programming that is characterized by the ritual inclusion of code or program structures that serve no real purpose. Cargo cult programming is typically symptomatic of a programmer not understanding either a bug he or she was attempting to solve or the apparent solution (compare shotgun debugging, voodoo programming). The term may also apply when an unskilled or novice computer programmer (or one not experienced with the problem at hand) copies some program code from one place and pastes it into another place, with little or no understanding of ...

I think was the actual link

thanks @rchern! (much happier now)

javamonkey79

1:04 AM

Ok, this may be a dumb question but: how do you do anything with site in the commitment stage on area 51?

I see: great on-topic example, great off-topic example, not a good example

Yi Jiang

@javamonkey79 You... eh, get people to commit

javamonkey79

But I don't know how to "vote" on them or do anything otherwise....

Why do the example questions have numbers next to them?

Oh, can you not do anything else until you get someone else to commit - is that how it works?

rchern

once a site is in commitment stage, you don't need to vote on the questions anymore

the voting stage is over

Michael Mrozek

1:38 AM

Why did he come here, get an answer, and then post the question anyway?

Yi Jiang

Funny guy

rchern

He may have left before I answered.

Yi Jiang

2:10 AM

Look at @waffles's comments

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Q: Seeking Javascript RAD IDE (or best JS IDE in general)

Is there such a thing as a Rapid Application Devleopment IDE for DHTML? I would like to graphically lay out my HTML (and edit my CSS) and couple JS events to some screen items, with the IDE generating JS function stubs as appropriate.

Jeff Atwood

2:41 AM

question: do you think we should merge chat.serverfault, chat.meta.so, and chat.superuser into chat.stackexchange.com ?

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I ask because generally the more audience for a chat, the better it does

Michael Mrozek

Is chat.SO staying separate then?

Jeff Atwood

yes, purely based on its 100x larger than everything else

Yi Jiang

@JeffAtwood Wait, so you mean MSO Chat has 0.2 users using it right now?

Michael Mrozek

chat.SF and chat.SU together have 11 rooms and 1 currently active user, so I'd say definitely for them. chat.MSO is doing slightly better, but probably doesn't warrant being separate either

Jeff Atwood

right now is not necessarily indicative, you'd have to check during US biz hours

Michael Mrozek

2:48 AM

True. I'm told SU and SF are generally ghost towns; I've never actually been there until right now

Jeff Atwood

just something we are thinking about

Popular Demand

3:04 AM

@MichaelMrozek This has been my experience as well.

Lance Roberts

It makes sense to merge them, and let them fall out by rooms.

Popular Demand

@JeffAtwood I'm leaning towards no, simply because I don't see the purpose of chat.SF, chat.SU or chat.MSO.

Although I greatly enjoy being in The Tavern, I don't really feel like it's doing much to make MSO or SE a better place.

Yi Jiang

Hello @TimStone. Looks like I've got the same Gravatar size problem as the one (you?) reported in Chat Feedback

Tim Stone

I had an issue where it wouldn't get unblurry, is that what you were referring to? :P Also, hello! I've officially returned. ;)

Popular Demand

And if Jeff is gone... what was this?

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Q: Why does chat point to Doug Kaye's website?

I just clicked on a link to chat on this page: Instead of getting sent to chat, I was taken to this web page: I refreshed normally, refreshed via Ctrl + F5, typed the URL http://chat.meta.stackoverflow.com in manually... same result every time. This is occurring on both FF 3.6 and IE 9 on W...

bug chat

Yi Jiang

3:08 AM

@TimStone Their size is set in the URL s=21 is smaller than the size specified by the img tags (32px)

Returns to normal after refresh

Tim Stone

Ah ha

rchern

@PopularDemand, I got that once. I think flushing the dns cache fixed it.

Michael Mrozek

@rchern Erm. And it didn't concern you?

Tim Stone

So, how many commits do I need to get caught up? ;)

Michael Mrozek

@PopularDemand Isn't that a yes?

Yi Jiang

3:15 AM

@TimStone There are two pull request sitting for @rchern to process right now

rchern

@MichaelMrozek there are actually a bunch of reports from people with my router of things like twitter redirecting to myspace

Yi Jiang

The new and improved /profile. Taadaa!

Tim Stone

@YiJiang Ah, nice!

rchern

@YiJiang o: there are?

Popular Demand

@MichaelMrozek No, it's a "instead of moving them, just shutter them permanently."

Michael Mrozek

3:16 AM

@YiJiang I think that's now the nicest looking feature I completely have no use for :)

Popular Demand

@rchern DNS cache, huh? To Google! (Assuming I can get there.)

Yi Jiang

@MichaelMrozek Thank you, I feel flattered

Michael Mrozek

@PopularDemand Well, that's what "moving" them means. I don't think we're going to have a separate general room for each site once they're merged into chat.SE

Yi Jiang

@rchern Yes there are

Popular Demand

@MichaelMrozek I'm not sure we need any of it.

rchern

3:18 AM

@YiJiang well we can't have that, now can we?

Tim Stone

@rchern You're right, you best deny his requests so I can get caught up.

Yi Jiang

@TimStone Oy ):

Tim Stone

But more seriously, I should actually take a look at the issue you made a bug report about now that I'm back.

rchern

@TimStone I'm not quite sure that's how it works...

Tim Stone

@rchern Don't worry, I've already Googled it.

Yi Jiang

3:20 AM

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Q: alternative CSS sheets for IE?

I have a question about CSS coding practices. IE often requires hacks or workarounds to get things looking right, and there are two different ways of doing things: 1) Put everything in one big CSS file or 2) Create two CSS files and have it load depending on the browser that the user is using ...

css internet-explorer alternate

Look at all of the answers :)

Tim Stone

Ah, even @Benjol's gotten in on the action now, cool :)

Yi Jiang

Okay, our mysterious downvoter withdrew all his downvotes. Even weirder

rchern

3:41 AM

pull requests merged.

Jeff Atwood

@PopularDemand but chat.su and chat.sf aren't for you though, are they?

my argument is a more general one of scale

rchern

4:10 AM

Gah. I totally used the wrong word in a comment and I can't edit it now.

Fosco

SO peeps: feel free to join my Minecraft server: fdotm.com:1337

Jeff Atwood

4:36 AM

@rchern flag it for mod attention

rchern

I learned something new! You can't flag your own comment.

waffles

howdy

rchern

allo

having fun with [status-completed]? (;

waffles

yeah ... like a kid in a candy store

I need to make it look like am doing work, otherwise my boss gets mad

rchern

mm

Jeff Atwood

4:46 AM

meta.superuser really does have 191 million tags

waffles

191 million AWESOME tags

Jeff Atwood

that surprised me

waffles

30 minute azure wait is over

rchern

speaking of, is this by-design?

4

Q: Add Meta Web Apps to the data dump

Unlike the other per-site metas, Meta Web Apps wasn't included in the October data dump.

feature-request data-dump per-site-meta

Jeff Atwood

don't know, but Geoff is working on that now

waffles

4:50 AM

odata.stackexchange.com

betterer

rchern

\o/

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Hey was just going to bed, but saw

2 hours ago, by Jeff Atwood

question: do you think we should merge chat.serverfault, chat.meta.so, and chat.superuser into chat.stackexchange.com ?

I'm torn on that, but somewhat inclined to think yes @JeffAtwood...

ServerFault chat rooms and SuperUser chat rooms seem to be underutilized

StackOverflow chat rooms, however, do not

Anyway, I'm headed to bed. More thoughts later

Good news is XMPP has been running much better with the recent changes, and I have some good ideas from my SO question to improve it further!

'night everyone

rchern

5:18 AM

Chrome's dev channel is on v9.* now o:

George Edison

@Jeff: Is there any way to get the data dump for AskUbuntu?

I heard that there was a need for an offline reference guide and I was wondering if there was a copy of the dump available for testing.

Jeff Atwood

there will be soon, just wait

George Edison

Oh good!

waffles

5:54 AM

@rchern , is that markdown bug fixed in v9?

waffles

6:34 AM

Hi @radp @badp

radp

Hey

waffles

did you get my email?

radp

aye, thanks.

Michael Mrozek

waffles hasn't e-mailed me in months...

waffles

cool ... let me know if you need a hand

@michael :)

radp

6:44 AM

@JeffAtwood what about chat.askubuntu? (re: chat.SU chat.SF chat.MSO)

radp

8:24 AM

rchern

12:08 PM

@waffles no ):

Yi Jiang

Uh oh

Gah...stupid mistake. Of course he didn't. Moving on...

Okay, here, not a mistake, but a bad practice

if(match == undefined) {

Should be: typeof match == 'undefined'

radp

The Japanese are backwards.

rchern

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A: Is there some markup to post tags?

We're now supporting the following syntax. [tag:tag-name] Examples: status-completed feature-request markdown This is done on post submission*, and for now isn't reflected in the editor preview. *Which means it only applies to new and/or newly editted posts.

is it just me or is the red background and dark text super hard to read?

radp

[tag:cool]

@rchern Probably a bug.

indeed, the .moderator-tag color:white rule is overridden by the .post-tag a color:black rule.

rchern

Gah, you beat my comment. deletes

Yi Jiang

12:40 PM

Hmmm... the N8's already arrived here.

I absolutely hate Android's deployment schedule in Singapore

The phones appear on average 8 months behind their US premiere, basically meaning that the next generation would've already appeared in the US when they arrive here

radp

1:11 PM

@YiJiang It takes time to add support for Singapore :(

spoulson

Hello

Yi Jiang

@spoulson 'ello

spoulson

Hey @YiJiang

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1:29 PM

Morning everyone

radp

Morning

Does CSS have a way to invert the colours of a picture?

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@radp Not cross browser

not that I know of, anyway

radp

.vote-count-container { background-color: #eee; border-radius: 5px; margin: 0 2px 0 0; padding: 0 0 0 2px;}

radp

2:01 PM

div.message.meta{ border-top-left-radius: 10px; }

Michael Mrozek

2:23 PM

I might need to write something that detects posts about how people close too often/the close rep requirement should be raised, and automatically filters them out of the question list so I don't see them anymore

Yi Jiang

@MichaelMrozek Just downvote them to below -3 and they won't be bumped by edits and answers anymore

radp

See? That's what sockpuppets are for! :P

Michael Mrozek

@YiJiang I don't use the activity view, I use the new questions view, so I see them when they're asked until enough new questions are asked to bury them

Joe Philllips

I'm pertty excited about this Brewing proposal that should be opening soon. Any hints as to when it will go live?

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@JoePhilllips Link please?

Joe Philllips

2:33 PM

@TheUnhandledException area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/1619/…

radp

@JoePhilllips 99% means you're almost but not quite there :)

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@JoePhilllips Oh I so want to commit!

radp

so you should focus on getting more people on the boat.

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But, I have almost no knowledge, so I doubt I can answer 10 questions...

What to do? :-(

Michael Mrozek

Er. Did somebody uncommit? It was at 100% five minutes ago when I looked at it

radp

2:35 PM

Personally, I know jack shit on the topic.

It's one of those cases where one'd love there to be a site, but actually can't bring anything to the table.

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@radp Likewise

radp

I guess it's better to wait for one more expert

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OK

radp

@TheUnhandledException I wouldn't

I've regretted committing to Maths, because I found out I couldn't follow up.

Cool idea? Sure. Did I help? Not really.

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Feels like Gaming to me. A site I wish I could give more to!

Joe Philllips

2:38 PM

brewing had 220 yesterday

and 219 earlier today

now its at 218

radp

could it be that committal expires?

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Maybe people were drunk-committing and now realizing their mistake, LOL

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Joe Philllips

@TheUnhandledException haha. good call

Fosco

they had to drop that one so they could commit to hangoverflow

gee, thought I'd get a laugh out of that one...

Joe Philllips

haha. nice

Fosco

2:47 PM

it's like a wheel of fortune 'before & after' puzzle

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@Fosco HAHA

@Fosco Sorry, busy morning :-)

Fosco

@TheUnhandledException no worries... need me to break anything for you this morning?

Yi Jiang

@Fosco Just open up the character map and drop random unicode character into your messages :P

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@Fosco LOL. I am going to try and find time to add / / /g to my code, to see if that fixes XMPP

It's much more stable, but still not perfect:

3

Q: Using Ruby, how can I confirm that an XML snippit is valid?

As some of you make know, I'm working on XMPP (Jabber) integration for the StackOverflow chat system, as an XMPP component written in Ruby using the xmpp4r package. I'm struggling with one issue (well, many issues, but one issue at the moment :-) I am taking the JSON feed from the chat and extra...

ruby xml xmpp xmpp4r

Fosco

豈豈豈豈豈豈豈豈

radp

2:53 PM

→

Joe Philllips

∙∙∙∙∙∙∙∙∙∙∙∙∙∙∙∙∙∙∙∙∙∙∙∙∙∙∙∙∙∙∙∙∙∙∙∙∙∙∙

Yi Jiang

其实只需要一点中文就是的啦！

Michael Mrozek

How does editing/deleting work over XMPP?

radp

@YiJiang You're getting a star if it means "Singapore -- unsupported!".... it doesn't :/

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@MichaelMrozek It doesn't yet. XMPP is read only

Michael Mrozek

2:55 PM

I meant how does it display edits/deletions

Yi Jiang

@radp It doesn't, though if you want I can say it

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but I planned to support is with something like rchern and your userscript: /edit 1234 new content

Michael Mrozek

"My" userscript? I'm a big fan of stealing credit for this

radp

@TheUnhandledException and how would I get the message ID in the first place?

Yi Jiang

我们不支持新加坡!

Michael Mrozek

2:56 PM

I wrote about four lines; most of it is rchern, YiJiang and somebody new I've forgotten the name of now

Yi Jiang

^ That's "We don't support Singapore"

Michael Mrozek

But anyway, I meant how does it handle people editing/deleting messages, not how does it allow people to edit/delete

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@radp I'm thinking maybe message IDs somewhere, like the userscript adds them

Michael Mrozek

If I edit a message right now what happens on XMPP

radp

@TheUnhandledException I guess you could implement a custom /editlast command however?

The Unhandled Exception

2:57 PM

@MichaelMrozek Deleted not handled yet, edits handled by " EDIT: new content " for now

Michael Mrozek

Ah

radp

@MichaelMrozek I don't think XMPP has any support for editing and deleting

Michael Mrozek

sighs

I don't think I've ever seen a chat program support it before this one

radp

Skype does.

Michael Mrozek

Oh, neat

The Unhandled Exception

2:59 PM

XMPP does not support editing of messages

Josh's Socks

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