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Unihedron

8:00 AM

#Sha #Sha #Sha #Sha #Sha #Sha #Sha #Sha #Sha morning!

(pings replaced with hashtags since Jan is online)

Jan Dvorak

@Unihedron umm... sorry?

Shadow Wizard

@Unihedron eh, I don't think the ping is the issue, we're spamming the Tavern with nonsense here ;)

Unihedron

@ShadowWizard Pfft, Tavern doesn't need messages that makes sense :P

Shadow Wizard

@Unihedron right! so let's have some spam!

Vogel612's Shadow

NOBODY EXPECTS the Spanish Inquisition!

Unihedron

8:04 AM

Is this close-worthy? stackoverflow.com/q/26764336/3622940

Jan Dvorak

... and now I'm hungry

@Unihedron what as? I'd keep it

Shadow Wizard

@Unihedron not sure, can't see obvious reason why to close so guess better let it be

Unihedron

@JanDvorak questions seeking debugging help must include code to reproduce the issue in the question itself

Vogel612's Shadow

@Unihedron yep...

Jan Dvorak

true

Shadow Wizard

8:06 AM

but

Unihedron

eh?

Shadow Wizard

it should contain code, but there are exceptions IMO

Jan Dvorak

does it need code to be answerable?

Vogel612's Shadow

de facto it isn't answerable..

Unihedron

They said they'd recompile and reobfuscate MCP using the given toolkit, but the change is not documented, and the exception wouldn't be trace-able without code required to reproduce it.

Jan Dvorak

8:08 AM

thus, cv

Vogel612's Shadow

because there's too many steps involved and OP may possibly just happen to bork on copying the file correctly..

Shadow Wizard

o_0

Unihedron

0_o

Shadow Wizard

!!/alive?

oh no.... no Smokey for us

Jan Dvorak

ok... I will watch the RTT

Unihedron

8:21 AM

Chat is going down periodically? :(

Shadow Wizard

@Unihedron not for me.... though can't really know with the Tavern being sleepy

Wait.... no Smokey, no @Sam, no @Pham, no @Gham - is this a conspiracy of spammers? :O

Unihedron

Noooooo!!!

Infinite Recursion

@Unihedron no, I don't naa's are worth that much effort :P

Unihedron

Yay new blue badge :) Shiny

Infinite Recursion

link of shiny blue badge?

Jan Dvorak

8:31 AM

SPAM wordpress.stackexchange.com/questions/167594/…

Unihedron

SPAM wordpress.stackexchange.com/q/167594/59485

@JanDvorak high five :)

Jan Dvorak

@Unihedron high five :)

Unihedron

@InfiniteRecursion stackoverflow.com/help/badges/2279/steward?userid=3622940

Shadow Wizard

@Unihedron blue? I see gold...

SilentKiller

^

Infinite Recursion

8:32 AM

@Unihedron Congrats!!! great job :D

@ShadowWizard inverse colors for him

Unihedron

@ShadowWizard You must be kitten me right meow :P

SilentKiller

Dark theme :P

Shadow Wizard

oh wow.... that's a great theme

Infinite Recursion

he gets blue, gray and aqua badges!

SilentKiller

while we are still getting gold silver and bronze :D

Infinite Recursion

8:34 AM

yes, we should upgrade

Unihedron

:) I should write a userscript to give new shapes to the badges as well ;)

Infinite Recursion

uni will get a blue dupehammer

others get golden dupehammers

Cerbrus

-19

Q: Feature request for changing the badge shape

Our current badges looks like a simple dot. Why don't we change the badge shape from dot to something like in the below image or any other symbols? Image Source

feature-request

Might be relevant

Infinite Recursion

~~^ I downvoted that, very bad idea~~

Unihedron

@Cerbrus But... They're all squares, where's the twist? It's unfair! Mathematics has three shapes (for badges), Stack Overflow only gets one! — Unihedron Oct 17 at 13:34

Cerbrus

8:37 AM

Oh yea :P

I like these teddy bears though

4

A: Feature request for changing the badge shape

Here you go Just use this userscript and create some nice PNGs: // ==UserScript== // @name (SO) Custom badges // @match *://*.stackoverflow.com/* // @grant GM_addStyle // ==/UserScript== GM_addStyle("\ span.badge1 { background: url(http://i.stack.imgur.com/u9W65.png); wid...

Unihedron

@Cerbrus -1 looks ugly on my inverse scheme :(

Cerbrus

Yikes

Jan Dvorak

looks ugly in any scheme

Cerbrus

Yea, the whole suggestion's bad any way

Infinite Recursion

yes, terrible suggestion

Vogel612's Shadow

8:42 AM

@Unihedron the bad meta-police strikes again.

Shadow Wizard

4

Those are us! ^

Unihedron

@Vogel612'sShadow So I got promoted to a meta police after being a cyber policeman?

@ShadowWizard :D

Shadow Wizard

:D

Infinite Recursion

:D

rene

:D

smile train?

SilentKiller

8:44 AM

:D

Shadow Wizard

@rene del

Unihedron

@rene If only you didn't crash it..

@ShadowWizard clean

whoops

you called me a del?

del -> delete

8:45 AM

@rene no, I sent a command. Looks like you're not a bot :(

Vogel612's Shadow

!!/alive?

Unihedron

@rene !!help

Shadow Wizard

it's dead. gone. nada.

Infinite Recursion

someone please flag this entire comment thread for nuking stackoverflow.com/questions/19260060/…

rene

@ShadowWizard del in dutch means hooker ...

4

Unihedron

8:47 AM

@rene del is a command that instructs a bot to delete the message we're replying to.

Vogel612's Shadow

status-completed

Infinite Recursion

Thanks :)

rene

@Unihedron don't del me

Unihedron

@rene clean

Shadow Wizard

@rene hook

Unihedron

8:48 AM

review-pls stackoverflow.com/a/26775063/3622940

Infinite Recursion

@rene good thing that none of the spam bots are dutch

Shadow Wizard

@Unihedron not sure... spammish on first look but the question is looking for such things so....

rene

@InfiniteRecursion That is indeed a good thing. Dutch bots would tolerate much more....

Infinite Recursion

:D

Wow, see, the close police are here in seconds. — Warren P Aug 21 at 18:05

Unihedron

As I said I'm fixing it, so can you lay off Jan? — Warren P Aug 21 at 18:06

^ Offensive?

Infinite Recursion

8:52 AM

ask the close police :P

Vogel612's Shadow

@Unihedron naah...

Infinite Recursion

someone asked for his number too :P

Does anyone have the phone number for the javascript police? — Lee Taylor May 14 at 23:29

Vogel612's Shadow

SELECT * FROM comments WHERE text LIKE "%police%"

Cerbrus

0

Q: Automatically open jsFiddle in a new tab?

jsFiddle is frequently used in web design questions to provide examples of working or non-working code. Because links open by default in the same window/tab you're currently using, quite often I'll view the query, close the tab, and lose the question. Obviously this isn't hard to remedy on a ca...

feature-request hyperlinks jsfiddle

Downvote please o.O

Vogel612's Shadow

@Cerbrus isn't t hat a dupe??

Cerbrus

8:56 AM

Never seen it before

Unihedron

SPAM webmasters.stackexchange.com/questions/71716/…

Flag'd

nuked

51 seconds :)

@rene I'd say "slut" is more accurate. But close enough.

Jamal

9:01 AM

@Unihedron Kauf nicht!

Bart

As the translation @rene. Not as the thing to call you ...

rene

@Bart thanks for clearing both points....

No problem :)

Morning

Morn'

9:08 AM

Morning

Morning!

Morning!

Morning!

status-completed

9:22 AM

SPAM gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/190765/…

Bart

Gone

Pham

Spam Q (62.5%): High Quality Contributes to the Reliable Brand of Ball Mill, by dong fang, on scifi.stackexchange.com.

Shadow Wizard

@Gone I think @Bart called you ^^

Bart

... ShadowWizarded then

Infinite Recursion

naa if anyone wants to flag stackoverflow.com/a/21414454/2982225

Jan Dvorak

9:30 AM

@InfiniteRecursion y u no?

rene

@InfiniteRecursion it just received an upvote when I arrived at that answer, who did that?

Infinite Recursion

@JanDvorak I don't flag naa's, scared...

@rene not me

Shadow Wizard

@rene not me

Jan Dvorak

@rene not me

Pham

Low Quality A (26.2%): fdfdfgfgfgfdvdfvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv..., by sdfdfg, on stackoverflow.com.

SilentKiller

9:32 AM

not me

Shadow Wizard

@SilentKiller -1, not linked

SilentKiller

@ShadowWizard tooo many pings can annoy some one. :P

Shadow Wizard

@SilentKiller not @rene! :D

@Pham make it 100%

SilentKiller

@ShadowWizard will from next msg. :P

Unihedron

@rene Negative

Infinite Recursion

9:34 AM

PS: Please do some form of (re)search before posting on StackOverflow. Thanks in advance.

Unihedron

@InfiniteRecursion Recommend edit.

Maven downloads the world :/

rene

So that leaves Bart or Cerbrus ...

Vogel612's Shadow

@Unihedron applied, waiting for approval

Unihedron

@rene I don't think there were any upvotes at all, you're just seeing things. The author's rep changes doesn't include points from upvotes.

Vogel612's Shadow

status-edit-overriden

Unihedron

9:35 AM

@Vogel612'sShadow clashed by @inf

SilentKiller

@Vogel612'sShadow your edit gone

Infinite Recursion

@Unihedron only the first time, unless you do a mvn clean again

Vogel612's Shadow

@InfiniteRecursion not quite correct..

mvn clean kills /target

which is not where all the dependencies are stored.

Shadow Wizard

@rene @Uni is right, see the timeline: both upvotes occured yesterday

Unihedron

@InfiniteRecursion My build process is mvn clean compile assembly:single, is that correct?

Shadow Wizard

9:36 AM

maybe you saw a misclick

rene

guess so ....

Vogel612's Shadow

@Unihedron this is correct.

if you'd want to download the world again, run: mvn dependency:purge-local-repository

Unihedron

@Vogel612'sShadow It downloads the metadata .xmls for my dependencies every compile without me cleaning the cache, why's that?

Vogel612's Shadow

because you didn't specify option offline

Bart

@InfiniteRecursion All that author's answers are ... debatable at best

Vogel612's Shadow

9:39 AM

that's just to make sure you're still good to go

Bart

Well, slight exaggeration perhaps, but the recent ones ...

Infinite Recursion

@Bart yes, I agree, this is also debatable stackoverflow.com/a/18914984/2982225

Bart

How does that get two upvotes ...

Infinite Recursion

am also wondering

Unihedron

@Bart Time.

Bart

9:42 AM

Still @Unihedron ...

Unihedron

> Thank you for reviewing 20 low quality posts today; come back in 14 hours to continue reviewing.

Infinite Recursion

very dubious stackoverflow.com/a/21414471/2982225, stackoverflow.com/a/21414274/2982225, stackoverflow.com/a/19906098/2982225

user273376

@Bart you rang?

Unihedron

This tag is synonym for H2 tag, but I do not have privileges to create synonyms

Jan Dvorak

POB? stackoverflow.com/questions/26776000/…

Infinite Recursion

9:46 AM

same again - possible spammer? stackoverflow.com/a/21414454/2982225

Jan Dvorak

@InfiniteRecursion flag him

Infinite Recursion

@Unihedron thanks, my mistake

Unihedron

@InfiniteRecursion no worries

Infinite Recursion

@JanDvorak nope, I edited out links and salvaged a few of his answers, am done with my cleaning up

Jan Dvorak

nuke-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/26776255/…

Cerbrus

9:50 AM

cv-pls:

stackoverflow.com/questions/26776196/… .

Infinite Recursion

@Cerbrus [tag:cv-pls] link

SilentKiller

both cv at 4

Unihedron

Zephyr? Zephyr??... ZEPHYR?!

Cerbrus

I'm being lazy, rlemon's chat plugin doesn't seem to work here :P

Unihedron

@Cerbrus :laughs:

SilentKiller

9:52 AM

status-closed

Sam

So Smokey, Pham and Zephyr were all down. :O

SilentKiller

status-closed

Cerbrus

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/26776217/…

I forgot I had a cv-pls bookmarklet :P

Jan Dvorak

closed

Unihedron

status-closed

Javascript police at work again..

Cerbrus

9:54 AM

The Mjölnir brigade

Unihedron

@Sam Yes, the chat host was down for a split second

Sam

Oh... blames SE

Infinite Recursion

/me decides to cv after 2 minutes of cv-pls to prevent message deletion

possible naa - stackoverflow.com/a/6614365/2982225

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A: What's your most controversial programming opinion?

JavaScript is a "messy" language but god help me I love it.

possible naa - stackoverflow.com/a/19487702/2982225

I am out of comment flags: please flag to nuke all comments stackoverflow.com/a/10754173/2982225

SilentKiller

17 comments :O

Infinite Recursion

@SilentKiller yes, needs cleaning, please flag

Unihedron

10:06 AM

@InfiniteRecursion Eh, I vlq'd the answer.

@InfiniteRecursion I cv'd the question as solved in a manner unhelpful to future readers.

Infinite Recursion

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/q/19304611/2982225

SilentKiller

@InfiniteRecursion flajjed all... :)

Infinite Recursion

@SilentKiller thanks

SilentKiller

naa stackoverflow.com/a/19487702/1160282

Unihedron

@SilentKiller Eh, it does include a solution "use a debugger".

You should downvote it instead.

Infinite Recursion

10:11 AM

@SilentKiller I have lost faith on naa's, good luck with that one chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/2618332#2618332

I find it frustrating that this is the exact same issue I brought up on meta 6 months ago. The exact same moderator declined the post, citing exactly the same reasons. The discussion that happened in my post proved that the majority of people disagreed with these reasons. I'd have hoped that moderators would adhere to the community consensus in these situations, rather than "going solo" regardless. — Matt 2 mins ago

SilentKiller

@Unihedron using a debugger is not a solution. :/

@InfiniteRecursion no worry and thanks :)

cVplZ

@rene for real? I did not see that anywhere on this wiki

SilentKiller

@InfiniteRecursion 3 naa declined :O Better luck next time /if your flag :)

Unihedron

@SilentKiller May cVplZ's spirit bless your flag being marked as helpful.

Infinite Recursion

@SilentKiller far more than 3, a rant here was declined too, I lost count and stopped after I came to know teh reasons in my meta post

rene

10:15 AM

@cVplZ Bart said slut was a better translation but in Amsterdam when you are called a del you're not happy...

SilentKiller

@Unihedron thanks :)

Infinite Recursion

0

A: Why were my flags on accepted link-only answers declined?

I declined those flags mainly because they are accepted answers on both of those questions. I will agree that these are not the best answers, but someone found them helpful (it was accepted and/or upvoted) so I disagree with removing them and will typically decline these flags. Prior to becomin...

-14

A: Why was this not-an-answer flag declined?

I declined the flag for the following reasons: the OP accepted the answer so they found this link helpful to solve their problem - removing this doesn't make the internet a better place You didn't at all attempt to get the user to expand the answer via a comment, etc before flagging it. I add...

^the first one is the answer matt is referring to in his comment, the lower one is the answer on my MSO post

I gained a lot of knowledge from my meta post, no more naa's ever for me

Unihedron

:(

cVplZ

@InfiniteRecursion :(

at least BJB keeps trying

Maybe you're just bad at it? — Shog9 ♦ 2 days ago

you quit too easily @inf, you are a strong duck, you can do it, I believe in you!

SilentKiller

@InfiniteRecursion why no more. if we are sure that it is naa then we can flag and if we are not sure then we can like if it is accepted or link only then we can flag as vlq

why should we stop our good deeds ?

Infinite Recursion

10:22 AM

@cVplZ I respect rules and my time, if you look at those answers, it's a decisive action made consciously, not a human error, so...

@SilentKiller some things are beyond helping, I can spend my time more constructively helping SO in other ways

vba4all

morning folks

SilentKiller

@InfiniteRecursion agreed :)

vba4all

I don't understand the 2 downvotes on my answer... wtf? can anyone tell me if I am not on the right track or seomthing?

-2

A: Add a Low Quality Posts button to delete answer because it doesn't answer the question

I disagree with the idea to be able to delete posts from a review queue based on the correctness of the answer. THIS ANSWER explains when to use low-quality-flags. While in the Low Quality Review Queue your task is to tell whether the question/answer you are reviewing is This question/answ...

Unihedron

@Vog I was just studying your PR (#4), are you sure MechanizeAgent actually works? I keep getting error pages...

cVplZ

SPAM meta.stackexchange.com/questions/243126/…

SilentKiller

10:25 AM

wow..! instantly you got upvote too and a down too

Braiam

@vba4all you are missing the point: correct answer vs not answering the question

Unihedron

So what if the question asks "how do I split a string by slashes" and an answer instead says "you shouldn't use classes as they do not follow OOP principles"? — Qantas 94 Heavy 1 min ago

vba4all

no? if you are not answering the question then it's a NAA

cVplZ

@SilentKiller you ask for opinion in the tavern, we give you are opinion

Braiam

@vba4all exactly

the problem is: context

I ask how to build a rubber wheel and you answer how to build a space rocket

Unihedron

10:27 AM

hastebin.com/enuwoginog.xml

vba4all

but the OP is in the low quality posts - is that a low quality? NO it ain't. You shouldnt be able to delete a post based on the context - if it's incorrect or wrong DOWNVOTE, if it doesnt answer the question - NAA

Braiam

your answer is fine, just not for that question

vba4all

i may be misunderstanding the OPs question then

SilentKiller

spam gone

vba4all

Q: "I think there should be an option when you select "Recommend Deletion" for "Does not answer the question being asked". - to me that means you are in a low quality queue and want to vote to delete a post based on the corretness of the answer rather than on the actual flag it has received... that's two different worlds aint it?

that's all wrong to start off with...that's missing the point of reviewing the flags...

Jan Dvorak

10:30 AM

answers something else != answers incorrectly

vba4all

that's NAA and that doesn't go to the LOW QUALITY QUEUE...

Unihedron

@vba4all it does

Jan Dvorak

NAA does land in the VLQQ

vba4all

hm... you are missing the point

Jan Dvorak

no

vba4all

10:36 AM

if we allow used to delete posts based on the "answers something else" than we are breaking the entire encapsulation of the voting system

Jan Dvorak

the point of VLQ queue is to decide if a post should be deleted

@vba4all are we? How?

"The sky is blue because of rayleigh scattering. Longer wavelengths reflect less than longer ones." is not useful if the question is "How do I make an iframe resize base on its content?".

Infinite Recursion

is meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/276162/… dupe of meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/270002/… ?

3

A: Low quality review queue - older questions/answers

Sure - there's plenty of cruft that gets missed initially but turns up later for one reason or another. If folks are encountering bad posts, then it's worth taking the time to fix or get rid of them. Of course, occasionally stuff gets flushed into the queue that isn't really problematic at all; ...

vba4all

@JanDvorak that would deserve a downvote and possibly a NAA flag -> This was posted as an answer, but it does not attempt to answer the question. It should possibly be an edit, a comment, another question, or deleted altogether.

Infinite Recursion

^ Shog says get rid of bad stuff

Jan Dvorak

@vba4all that. And thus it should be removed if met in the VLQ queue

Infinite Recursion

10:41 AM

I missed the whole discussion looking for Shog's post! read it please...

Braiam

the solution:

0

A: Add a Low Quality Posts button to delete answer because it doesn't answer the question

I think there should be an option when you select "Recommend Deletion" for "Does not answer the question being asked" The problem with NAA is that through it says "but it does not attempt to answer the question" most people interpret it as "but it does not attempt to answer any question at a...

@Shog9 may be interested ^

Unihedron

@Braiam Name that single flag type?

"It sucks, community should act on deleting it"?

vba4all

oh yeah definitely, but it should be removed because: *This is commentary on another post, not an answer
“This does not provide an answer to the question. To critique or request clarification from an author, leave a comment below their post.”*

Jan Dvorak

@Unihedron AKA VLQ

vba4all

and that's right there in front of you

Braiam

10:42 AM

@Unihedron "delete post flag"

vba4all

so what the question is asking is to add a new reason to say "delete becuase it doesnt answer the question being asked"...

Jan Dvorak

that

Unihedron

@JanDvorak VLQ is for unsalvageable content with severe formatting problems though. Like this:

I like Java, also I suck at Javascript

Duplicate answers, plagarism etc are not really vlq on first sight

Jan Dvorak

plagiarism deserves a mod flag, though

cVplZ

SPAM meta.stackexchange.com/questions/243128/…

Unihedron

10:45 AM

Yeah, they don't go through community queue, my bad..

SilentKiller

spam gone

Jan Dvorak

gone

Braiam

spam superuser.com/a/836605/235569

Vogel612's Shadow

@Unihedron I dont't know about reading, but sending messages definitely works..

You could ask skiwi in CR chat about it

Unihedron

@Vogel612'sShadow Yep, querying events don't work.

Oh?

vba4all

10:49 AM

im waiting for a moderator to come an give his view

Jan Dvorak

flagged spam and amended Pham

vba4all

i think there is a huge misunderstanding by the OP on the purpose of the queues

Vogel612's Shadow

Events should be working fine on my branch

Jan Dvorak

@vba4all why so?

Unihedron

@Vogel612'sShadow want to study the logs I linked?

Vogel612's Shadow

10:50 AM

That said writing while walking is somewhat difficult

Unihedron

hastebin.com/enuwoginog.xml

Vogel612's Shadow

~lunch

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Q: What does Recommend deletion button do in the Low Quality Review Queue ?

What does the Recommend Deletion do in the low quality review queue ? Who does it recommend deletion to ? Do a sufficient number of recommended deletion votes auto delete the post ?