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Lynn Crumbling

4:00 PM

@Mooseman Are you sure that shouldn't be closed as can't repro/typo?

Mooseman

@LynnCrumbling Perhaps, but I left a comment.

Infinite Recursion

Anything still open which needs cv?

Andrew T.

Doesn't seem so...

Unihedron

Of course!

CVQ

Pham

Low Quality A (100%): Thanks! It realy worked... Thank you so matc..., by BF4 PLAYER, on gaming.stackexchange.com.

Infinite Recursion

4:05 PM

What? Linkey

Unihedron

Or you can use sede: data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/224113/…

@InfiniteRecursion stackoverflow.com/review/close

Infinite Recursion

Thanks who-should-not-be-pinged

Unihedron

Welcome

Actually, the owl is not around :P

jadarnel27

The close vote queue depresses me immensely whenever I try to use it.

Andrew T.

I thought there was a good progress on that queue?

Unihedron

4:07 PM

@jadarnel27 the moments when you pass an audit makes it worthwhile

Infinite Recursion

Depresses me too, it's full of misery

Unihedron

@AndrewT. Yeah, it was at 115K

Andrew T.

:(

jadarnel27

@AndrewT. The total amount isn't really the thing that depresses me. It's all the awful questions, in such a high concentration.

Unihedron

Closed, downvotes welcome stackoverflow.com/q/26759829/3622940

and flags on the answer ^ (Don't click on the two links, they both are bad)

@jadarnel27 Quick! Become a mod!

jadarnel27

4:10 PM

There was some kind of filter that was keeping us from seeing the true number of questions in the close vote queue on SO. Is that still in place?

Unihedron

@jadarnel27 Maybe. I think you don't see the tasks where you've already acted on.

jadarnel27

I was thinking of this:

77

A: Fuzzy the number of questions in the close review queue, a dopamine for the shutterers

This is now implemented (build rev 2014.2.27.1403 on sites) as lined out in Shog's answer. We now have a per-site configurable close vote threshold for questions to be enqueued in the close vote review queue. Review tasks with fewer close votes and no do not close review results will be gradually...

Mooseman

0

Q: Burninate [replace]

Is it possible to be an expert in replace? The newest page of the 10.6k tagged questions contains javascript, php, ant, shell, and more. Additionally, replace is vague: although most questions are related to regex, and are commonly tagged, some questions like these are unrelated. On a side note...

Unihedron

@Mooseman Hmm, haven't showed up in our room yet...

Oh, it's a new post.

Infinite Recursion

Its closed as dupe already

Unihedron

4:13 PM

Mooseman

reopen-pls meta.stackoverflow.com/q/276129/1234256

Unihedron

^ How I think bluefeet has been for the previous hours waiting for @Mooseman to post it

Sam

^ Jan looking for spammers

Mooseman

@Unihedron Quite possibly...

Unihedron

^ (insert witty caption here)

jadarnel27

4:15 PM

^ Josh looking for people that don't like the color brown

Speaking of which.

BROWN

Infinite Recursion

^ @Rafflesiaarnoldii your flower after being blurred is too convincing

I miss trains a lot

Unihedron

@InfiniteRecursion There was one in The SO Tavern :D

YELLOW

HELLO

WORLD

4:17 PM

@InfiniteRecursion I get to take a train trip tomorrow (yay!)

Sam

@Unihedron Yeah, a really long one.

Unihedron

in Tag Burnination on Stack Overflow Chat, 13 secs ago, by Feeds

0

Q: Burninate [replace]

Is it possible to be an expert in replace? The newest page of the 10.6k tagged questions contains javascript, php, ant, shell, and more. Additionally, replace is vague: although most questions are related to regex, and are commonly tagged, some questions like these are unrelated. On a side note...

discussion burninate-request

jadarnel27

Oh, I guess this is the more-current state of things with the close vote queue on SO:

12

A: Enough fuzzying: let's let everything into the close queue and age out questions that don't reach a threshold

Implemented and going live in build rev 2014.5.7.2223 on meta and 2014.5.7.1592 on sites. Expect the number of items in the close queue to drop a bit.

Lynn Crumbling

cv-pls typo stackoverflow.com/q/26755488/656243

Unihedron

cv-pls dropbox stackoverflow.com/q/25849077/3622940

Infinite Recursion

4:27 PM

@Rafflesiaarnoldii really? Ok then, I will stop protesting and see how it goes :)

But I won't answer, I will give them an ugly flower called Rafflesia arnoldii

@ShadowWizard I agree, it isn't OT, read it again. Unsubscribe from what?

rene

@ShadowWizard I answered now here and maybe it was not too broad but I still feel it is a better fit for SU or SF. If you see my answer don't you agree?

Unihedron

27

Q: Dealing with a claim that a post on SO is using copyrighted content without permission

This (a bit surprising) answer to this question has just poped in my review queue. How should I react on similar claims, that question is using a copyrighted content as example to picture problem being asked? Should I: recommend deletion and do nothing more, recommend deletion, but leave comme...

discussion not-an-answer copyright

@AndrewT.^

Andrew T.

@Unihedron yeah, he already notified me. I didn't though it's that serious, though I should have thought about it

Unihedron

ok, I wasn't sure if you've seen the meta post, so I linked it

Pham

Spam A (83.9%): Go into adobe type manager and deactivate al..., by PepijndeWit, on superuser.com.

Unihedron

4:40 PM

Filerepair forum^

Infinite Recursion

@AndrewT. Never edit to make any drastic changes, clean up grammar and typos and fix tags, fix sentence structure if it's a non-native speaker and add image if it's a low rep user < 10 rep who can't upload images. That's a good way to avoid trouble.

Sam

@Pham del

Andrew T.

@InfiniteRecursion thanks, and welcome back, Inf :)

4

Unihedron

Don't make Inf mad again :I

Infinite Recursion

@AndrewT. When he said cv-queue is depressing, I remembered that my avatar is more depressing

rene

4:44 PM

@Unihedron do we flag that as spam?

Unihedron

@rene yeppers

Sam

@rene yes

Unihedron

and burn it with FIRE

rene

The Q as well? Because that LeoVanDoorn use is in that same forum thread

jadarnel27

Oh, is that a known spammy website? Because that answer looked like it was trying to answer the question (just glanced at it).

Unihedron

4:46 PM

@rene Yes! If you know they're a spammer, flag it as spam. The mods will also be able to revise and nuke the accounts.

Use a custom flag if you want extra safety.

Infinite Recursion

Yup, it's part of a coordinated campaign to spam file recovery tools to Stack Overflow, Super User, Server Fault, and other sites on the network: meta.stackoverflow.com/a/269868/19679 . They've been getting progressively more creative with their spam, now seeding questions with one account and answering with another. The real problem is that reviewers are usually approving their spam now, so I have to sweep through every few days and remove the spam that made it through. — Brad Larson Oct 4 at 21:34

15

Q: Suspicious pattern of questions/replies

I've noticed a pattern in StackOverflow and on another forum I participate on ... a user asks a question, always related to difficulties with corrupted PPT files, and within a short time, gets an answer with vague suggestions, some of them incorrect or irrelevant, and a link to the same site or f...

support spam

^ documentation

Unihedron

> Flag the question and answer as spam. If you think that it might not be obvious that they are trying to seed questions then use a custom flag to explain.

rene

@Unihedron safety? I'm grown-up now... I live life on the edge...

Unihedron

Then flag as SPAM! :D

Sam

in The SO Tavern (Free Snacks) on Stack Overflow Chat, Nov 2 at 11:30, by rene

@TGMCians it is great to buy the stuff at the grocery, chop the stuff and your finger, lovely smells of fresh herbs, burned potatoes and in the end a kitchen that looks like a bomb went off. And I do that every day...

2

^ I guess that's you "living on the edge" ;)

rene

4:51 PM

tnx for bringing that up again....

Unihedron

38 mins ago, by Unihedron

^ rene living on the edge

(The more I think about it, you can really caption everything with that pic)

Pham

Low Quality A (100%): noodles are good! and im dumb!, by user29100, on cooking.stackexchange.com.

Unihedron

vlq or off ^

dupe meta.stackoverflow.com/q/276133/3622940

Lynn Crumbling

needs-one-more stackoverflow.com/q/26760228/656243

Infinite Recursion

5:12 PM

Moderator Note: I purged comments because it turned into "You ought to do this, you ought to do that". If you have an answer for how it should be handled, post an answer so that the community can vote on it. By having the argument in the comments, it appears that you're dumping on the moderator just to dump on the moderator. That's not acceptable here. If you have a comment seeking clarification, post that comment. Once that's done, there's no need for back and forth. — George Stocker ♦ yesterday

Post became a debate now :/

@bluefeet my point is, SO moderators still seem to be having difficulties recognising cases that fall under another castle guidance, even when flaggers try to help them by referring to it: 'I run an experiment, flagged it NAA and got decline: "a moderator reviewed your flag, but found no evidence to support it". Wonder how hard is to not find evidence when post has comment referring to guidance...' — gnat 2 hours ago

Shog9

oh hey, the duck is back

14

Braiam

@Shog9 shhh, is a surprise ;)

Shog9

I wasn't sure how I was gonna get any debugging done

Infinite Recursion

yeah, ducks are important for debugging!

5

Unihedron

:D

goes to propose ducks.SE

Sam

5:22 PM

Sterling Archer

> I have no idea what the quack I'm doing

Lynn Crumbling

^ this duck looks confused.

^^ Perhaps it'll post a new well-worded question on SO to request guidance.

Infinite Recursion

thanks for your advice, now I know how to deal with the situation, it really helped

23 hours ago, by Shog9

Especially if you periodically kick people who ping you

Shog9

Mar 17 '11 at 14:43, by Shog9

kicks @badp once more for good luck

that... may have backfired

Lynn Crumbling

@InfiniteRecursion So is the mod's position effectively that all link-only answers should first have a comment placed on the answer, then wait a few [minutes/hours/days?], then flag for naa?

Infinite Recursion

5:29 PM

Kinda sorta, I had a lot of such naa's declined and saw mod leave a comment on the post, that's why I finally asked on MSO to get clarity

Lynn Crumbling

@Shog9 feel free to throw in your $0.02 on that, too; she may have me ignored atm

Ahh, ok - wasn't sure if you'd muted me ;)

It seems like most mods will just happily remove a link-only. I've only seen one declined once.

Infinite Recursion

In practice, yes, they decline it. But commenting fails the purpose of flagging, flagger is no longer anonymous, and gets targetted

Lynn Crumbling

At least the mod admitted that they should have at least marked helpful instead of declined.

re: targetted - You mean for revenge-dv'ing?

Jason C

@Shog9 Question: I'm receiving occasional stackexchange inbox emails; which is fine in itself except I thought I changed my email address on all my profile pages. Do you have a way of finding out which of my profiles has my @gmail.com address still?

(The emails themselves are fairly inconsistent as well, it's weird.)

Infinite Recursion

yes, they argue in comments, and you receive a few downvotes @LynnCrumbling

SmokeDetector

5:37 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title: Can you build muscles from watching point of view videos of people weightlifting? by TK-421 on biology.stackexchange.com

Jason C

^ false positive

But kind of a goofy question.

Hm; can I use the commands?

@SmokeDetector false

Just the cool people.

Infinite Recursion

@SmokeDetector false

SmokeDetector

@InfiniteRecursion Registered as false positive and added title to Bayesian doctype 'good'.

Infinite Recursion

Poke Undo if you want access, @JasonC. It's restricted to prevent abuse

@Undo, can you please provide Smokey's command access for @JasonC? ^^

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Phone number detected, All-caps title: +91-9950211818 L O V E MARRIAGE SPECIALIST by m_maa32 on english.stackexchange.com

hichris123

5:46 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] Score of 95.4565: +91-9950211818 L O V E MARRIAGE SPECIALIST on english.stackexchange.com

rene

@hichris123 true

@SmokeDetector true

Infinite Recursion

@SmokeDetector true

SmokeDetector

@rene Registered as true positive: added title to Bayesian doctype 'bad'.

@InfiniteRecursion Registered as true positive: added title to Bayesian doctype 'bad'.

Infinite Recursion

Gone

Jason C

@InfiniteRecursion Oh; thanks.

user259867

5:51 PM

@hichris123 "This post was arbitrarily awarded 95.4565 spamness points"... Maybe round() the output?

user259867

Or maybe we are hosting spammers Olympics, and it requires photo-finish.

Infinite Recursion

The score can't be rounded, filter loses precision

Shog9

@JasonC go here & look at the email address: meta.stackexchange.com/users/preferences/current

Sam

@Inf I think Rafflesia means round the number on display.

user259867

Yes ^ I mean the output here, for human consumption

user259867

5:56 PM

Infinite Recursion

You, of all the humans here, are supposed to prefer numbers, you are a maths expert!

user259867

^^ SE Hot List also shows ridiculous precision, but I understand this is just to troll gnat.

user259867

Common misconception. I hate messy decimals, and this is not atypical for a mathematician.

Jason C

@Shog9 Ah; thanks, I missed the obvious one. Is the meta user profile email tied to gravatar?

@Shog9 Also why does my meta profile page (meta.stackexchange.com/users/230261/jason-c) show a different email address than the preferences there?

And all of them for that matter.

Whoa no wonder I've been getting these emails...

Infinite Recursion

Ok, that makes sense..programmers don't mind/notice messy decimals, we like to see non-refined output with as much info as possible, helps debug ;)

Else hichris has to check the log of that message to see the real value, if he filters the output here for human consumption

Pham

6:01 PM

Low Quality Q (36.1%): how to flash a new firmware to an android phone using your pc?, by fuad haneef, on stackoverflow.com.

Sam

Body: "....kkkkykykykykkykykyyyyyyykkyky".

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: WHAT ABOUT THİNK YOU by Kardelen Guler on askubuntu.com

user259867

^^ SPAM

Infinite Recursion

^^TROLL

user259867

The one posted by Pham is an interesting case. The body qualifies for "abusive" flag. Yet there is a somewhat sensible title. I still flagged as abusive.

ɥʇǝS

6:03 PM

Wanna mark that vaild/good/whatever @InfiniteRecursion?

Sam

Side note: Pham rounded the decimal.

Jason C

@Shog9 Actually, better question now that I've made sense of it: On all sites, are the notification emails tied to gravatar or just the profile emails?

user259867

Appreciated!

Infinite Recursion

@SmokeDetector true

@SmokeDetector tpu

Shog9

@JasonC notifications / newsletters are tied to the email in preferences.

Which is the same across the network

Your profile email can be different per-site.

Infinite Recursion

6:06 PM

!!/alive?

Shog9

It's generally unused.

Infinite Recursion

!!/reboot

Nope, dead :/

Jason C

@Shog9 Ah, thanks.

ɥʇǝS

@InfiniteRecursion :/

Pham

Low Quality Q (23.4%): some serious error getting, by oneplace Java Developer, on dba.stackexchange.com.

Jason C

6:08 PM

^ Lol

We got some serious error getting in here, guys.

hichris123

[ SmokeDetector ] Score of 81.4673: I want to learn to make android games and i need your advice on stackoverflow.com

Andy

cv-pls pob stackoverflow.com/q/26764115/189134

rene

@JasonC I clicked edit but left it alone...

Andy

Oh. Dang it. Smokey2 beat me

shakes fist in the air

user259867

What does pob stand for?

rene

6:11 PM

/me waves friendly back to Andy

@Rafflesiaarnoldii primarily opinion based

Infinite Recursion

It's not Smokey2, it's hiSmokey123

Andy

But that's soooooo many more numbers. Let's take a vote. More stars is the winner. Should @hichris123's bot be:

Smokey2

hiSmokey123

user259867

Tavern is getting flowerful.

2

Undo

@InfiniteRecursion can't right now, busy ;)

Infinite Recursion

6:18 PM

Ok @Undo :)

At this hour, everyday we reply the same questionaire: do you get paid? are you with me? why downvote questions? Feels odd today coz no one is asking...

Andy

spam stackoverflow.com/a/26764150/189134

Sam

@Undo Awww, and you don't have a command for adding users, what a shame ;D

Infinite Recursion

^^

Shadow Wizard

@rene cheers, IIS is tightly related with ASP.NET so think it's fine to have it on SO.

@InfiniteRecursion unsubscribe from "ask Inf about stuff" :)

Infinite Recursion

note to self: unsubscribe today

rene

6:31 PM

@ShadowWizard OK, if you say so...

morning!

Hi Kitten

Hi duck!

Wondering if @balpha is around.

Infinite Recursion

Hi kewl kitten!

SomeKittens

6:35 PM

Or, really anyone who knows the chat rules well.

wondering if discussion related to whispers (gamergate) is allowed on the chats.

Infinite Recursion

Flag any of JasonC's messages, the entire dev team will come here and help you (joking) ;P

SomeKittens

I know at least some of the mods are anti-gg, so I don't want to get banned for talking about it.

Andy

@SomeKittens Depends. Which room are you in and what are you proposing you discuss. There was a room earlier today that was reprimanded for discussing inappropriate things related to gg

SomeKittens

@Andy Yeah, I want to get a better definition of "inappropriate"

Andy

:2615136 Very quick summary: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamergate_controversy

SomeKittens

6:37 PM

/me wants to avoid mod-wrath

I don't know much about it myself, so I'd like to not get banned for asking about it.

Infinite Recursion

Thanks Andy

SomeKittens

(I'm at least hoping that meta-asking is ok)

Nick Dugger

I eat gamergate for breakfast

Andy

in JavaScript on Stack Overflow Chat, 9 hours ago, by Tim Post

If you coordinate the spamming of a users inbox using our chat system, you will be suspended for a year, no questions asked. - I don't want to see that crap in our chat ever again.

If it has anything to do with that...don't.

SomeKittens

@Andy huh?

jadarnel27

6:39 PM

@SomeKittens The mods are generally pretty reasonable. Having a *constructive" discussion about a topic would be okay. Even about "gamergate." The point is to be constructive about it.

SomeKittens

Not sure what that has to do with the gg thing.

jadarnel27

Check out this chat for some examples on how to not be constructive.

SomeKittens

@jadarnel27 Again, no complaint here. I'm just looking for official guidelines about being "constructive"

jadarnel27

What would be the point of such "official guidelines?" People should be capable of having reasonable, mature conversations without needing an instruction manual.

SomeKittens

@jadarnel27 It keeps both us and the mods accountable

Andy

6:42 PM

Go to the transcript and read part of that conversation. That has everything to do with it. If you are going to discuss it without it becoming a bash the (fe)male gender and can do so without it becoming a flame war, have at it.

SomeKittens

@Andy The one with the Jhawnis dude?

jadarnel27

@SomeKittens I'd expect it to more likely be a source of endless whining and loopholes.

Andy

@jadarnel27 as would I.

jadarnel27

"But the guidelines don't say anything about X, so you can't ban me!"

SomeKittens

@Andy I can see why his mouthing off to the mods would be a problem - but I don't see where he was bashing genders.

enlighten me?

Andy

6:44 PM

@SomeKittens The entire gamergate thing in general.

Nick Dugger

@jadarnel27 Culturally and personally, constructive could mean [slightly] various things. I guess what somekittens is asking, is, What does SO's culture mandate as constructive?

SomeKittens

@Andy Sorry, I don't understand. Discussion of GG is ok so long as it's not bashing genders, but discussing GG is bashing genders?

Text can be hard to communicate with, so I'm trying to not make assumptions

rene

in The SO Tavern (Free Snacks) on Stack Overflow Chat, Jul 28 at 15:43, by rene

If you want so desperately an unmoderated chatroom why don't you use freenode?

SomeKittens

@NickDugger Exactly. While this is an extreme example, I know people who think using racial epithets to describe the benefits of genocide is "constructive". Obviously SO is not like that, but something beyond "Constructive" would help.

Andy

I think all of this is going to fall under the "Be Nice" policy. SE doesn't have firm rules on a lot of things

ɥʇǝS

6:47 PM

I thought Shog was quite clear.

SomeKittens

@ɥʇǝS Yeah. Dude shot his mouth off to the mods - bad idea. Totally understand the ban there.

Andy

You can certainly have a discussion on GamerGate. I'd love to see you keep it constructive. It is surrounded by so much baggage at this point, though.

Cerbrus

@SomeKittens: Afaik, he shot his mouth off after the ban

jadarnel27

@NickDugger I think there's a certain amount of common sense that can be applied without the need to nail down specific guidelines. Beyond that, most mods would just warn you if you're getting out of line. If someone belligerently harps on about whatever it is after that, that's there fault.

SomeKittens

@Andy Yeah, you're telling me.

Cerbrus

6:49 PM

But then again, I'm barely following this mess

jadarnel27

@Andy Strongly agree.

SomeKittens

@Cerbrus huh? Wouldn't he not be able to chat post-ban?

ɥʇǝS

@SomeKittens Uh no, I meant what he considered a constructive conversation.

SomeKittens

I can understand it taking a sec for changes to propagate.

Cerbrus

@SomeKittens: He was banned from a room, then in a private room, had that "discussion"

SomeKittens

6:50 PM

@ɥʇǝS sorry, I misunderstood. rereads

ɥʇǝS

Start here:

SomeKittens

@Cerbrus Ah! Thank you.

Cerbrus

From what I understood of it

ɥʇǝS

in Room for jhawins and balpha, 2 hours ago, by Shog9

That. That's causing problems. You wanna debate something you disagree with? Do it politely, do it constructively, do it like you some day aspire to be A REASONABLE HUMAN BEING WITH OPINIONS THAT MATTER.

jadarnel27

@SomeKittens "I know people who think using racial epithets to describe the benefits of genocide is "constructive"" - I don't think any reasonable person would consider that constructive. And I'm sure those people that you know are aware that their perspective is out of the norm.

rlemon

6:50 PM

@Cerbrus he as banned from chat.so, not chat.se//cc @SomeKittens

Cerbrus

Ah

ɥʇǝS

well he's banned everywhere now..

Cerbrus

So, ignore what I said

rlemon

> do it like you some day aspire to be A REASONABLE HUMAN BEING WITH OPINIONS THAT MATTER.

is a bit rude imo

SomeKittens

@jadarnel27 That would be wonderful if true, but these people considered themselves perfectly normal. After all, all their friends agreed with them! There's a reason I moved...

rlemon

6:51 PM

but as one of the people in question here, I'm backing out now.

SomeKittens

@ɥʇǝS I guess that's fair, do it without calling people names.

ɥʇǝS

hm, ok, I take that back. He isn't suspended on chat.se.

@SomeKittens basically does your conversation fall under the "be nice" policy? Then you're probably ok.

and unless you're really going over the top you'll usually get a nicer warning than a CM suddenly entering with bold type.

Use common sense, be nice, etc, etc. It isn't that hard, just use respect to the person you're talking to and remember you are talking in a public chat that anyone could find and read at any moment. They probably already are.

SomeKittens

@ɥʇǝS Right, so "I feel that what this woman is doing here is not beneficial to effective discourse and, as a whole muddies the waters instead of moving things to a reasonable conculsion. As such, I feel that her continued employment should be called into question." is appropriate?

Nick Dugger

You can't take back what you said, lol

SomeKittens

Seth: edited.

ɥʇǝS

6:56 PM

The first revision was fine, but dunno about the second. At least you worded it nice.

SomeKittens

Yeah, that's kinda my question.

ɥʇǝS

I'm not really up to speed about this whole GG thing, but if I've learned anything from participating on SE (and chat.se) it is this: If you have any doubts, don't say it. Just don't. It will save you eons of confusion and trouble. Everything you think is not necessarily appropriate for the Stack Exchange network.

jadarnel27

@SomeKittens Heh, I can't say I blame you for getting away from folks like that =)

@ɥʇǝS Awesomely said.

Shog9

@ɥʇǝS he will be if he actually tries to use it / someone forces chat to sync with main-site accounts. The whole point was "leave and think about what has been said, stop trying to use your own bad behavior to segue into some overwrought offsite discussion" - and since the point wasn't taken, that's now enforced.

That being said, you're talking about someone who isn't here to defend himself - a bit of courtesy, please.

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SomeKittens

@Shog9 ah, good!

you're here.

Mind commenting on my above question?

Shog9

6:58 PM

in a manner of speaking

ɥʇǝS

So I, personally, would leave the employment part out because it is very likely to cause problems.

Jason C