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Ahmad

I mean just answerers pay attentions to the votes of questions, not askers and goggleres

Unihedron

11:07 AM

You mean contributors? There are askers who care, so your stance doesn't really stand.

vba4all

anyone in a bad mood today?

0

Q: How to turn off Overflow Check in VBA for MS Access?

I am writting a CRC8 function in VBA which results in error: Overflow ! Since I cannot fix it and there are no sample code solutions on how to fix the overflow error with left shifting, I`d like to try and turn it off to see the result I get. I cannot find it in options. Thanks

vba ms-access access-vba microsoft

Andrew T.

And also, question ban

cVplZ

@vba4all @inf is

Infinite Recursion

how to search with score?

Unihedron

@InfiniteRecursion score:...-10

But I'm writing a SEDE

Infinite Recursion

11:09 AM

@cVplZ i said sorry

@Unihedron Thanks

@Ahmad can you understand this question? stackoverflow.com/questions/19574141/…

cVplZ

@Unihedron Why not just use the SEDE that's already there?

lol

:D

reinvents the wheel

What is <t>?

11:11 AM

@AndrewT. lang-pls

Ahmad

lol, but you think who will search that question?

Infinite Recursion

@Ahmad which language do you code in? I will find questions in that language as example for you

Ahmad

it was not that bad question, he said his best effort

Andrew T.

facepalm

Unihedron

I'm done.

Ahmad

11:13 AM

lol, the title of question is good and also the asker says his best to solve the problem ;)

Infinite Recursion

I also give up.

Ahmad

if no one in the world, lookfor it it s just in the corner of the server and if one have the same question the answer is beneficial for him

Unihedron

@Ahmad I tried my best to educate you.

Chess anyone?

Ahmad

I was kidding but there is a point

why you bother about the quality of the questions of the site? you just bother the quality of the answers

no one browse the questions , they search, its my point

vba4all

putting the cart before the horse, lol

Andrew T.

11:16 AM

We browse the question to answer it

Unihedron

@Ahmad I do, I have a email subscription filter to minecraft, bukkit, minecraft-forge and regex.

cVplZ

@Ahmad false

Andrew T.

Anyway, gtg

Unihedron

@Ahmad And I sift through every single post every day I get it, so you're taking it wrong.

Ahmad

really?

Andrew T.

11:17 AM

Cya

Unihedron

Bye!

@Ahmad Do you need proof?

Infinite Recursion

@Ahmad If you search and don't judge questions by votes, then why are you concerned about the votes of the question?

vba4all

entertained ^^

Ahmad

I worry about votes of my own questions

Infinite Recursion

it's like saying I don't care if you are wearing black or white, don't wear black!

Ahmad

11:18 AM

because they upset me if i found no reason for them

Jan Dvorak

SPAM webapps.stackexchange.com/questions/69558/…

Infinite Recursion

@Ahmad give example

Unihedron

Uni Rants

Oct 24 at 16:37, 20 minutes total – 41 messages, 3 users, 0 stars

Bookmarked 8 secs ago by Unihedron

cVplZ

@JanDvorak true

Jan Dvorak

@cVplZ IKR

Unihedron

11:18 AM

@JanDvorak yw

Ahmad

this is example stackoverflow.com/questions/26653838/…

Unihedron

@Ahmad Yeah, no research effort.

Or attemptive effort.

Ahmad

I googled it and the answer is not that easy

its not duplicate too, and its very useful and common

@Unihedron and I wrote what I have tried

Unihedron

@Ahmad The way you wrote it expressed your attempt as the problem itself.

Ahmad

but sometimes there is no obvious attempt to do

you mean the writing of it has problem, and it could be written better?

Infinite Recursion

11:22 AM

@Ahmad You got 2 upvotes and 4 downvotes, total score -2, you gained rep 12 from that question, am I correct?

Unihedron

Study this and this (disclosure: my questions), include what you researched.

Ahmad

you mean up and down vote scores are not equal in points?

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: PRESENT SIMPLE AND PAST SIMPLE by user5577 on ell.stackexchange.com

Unihedron

@Ahmad Upvotes on questions are +5, downvotes on questions are -2.

Infinite Recursion

no, downvotes only take away 2 points from you, one upvote covers far more than 2 downvotes

Unihedron

11:24 AM

It's so overpowered. I really want them to change it where downvotes are -6. But if I make a meta post about it, people would murder meh.

Ahmad

but anyway I got 4 downvotes from people who I dont know and their reasons,

Infinite Recursion

also, it is less than 24 hours, and 2 people found it useful, if it is a good question, many users will find it through google and they will upvote it

Ahmad

when a question has an answer then what downvotes means?

hichris123

[ SmokeDetector ] Score of 72.5859: How to cdr repair corrupted image? on superuser.com

Ahmad

I mean an accepted answer, if we suppose the downvotes are more for the answerers

Unihedron

11:26 AM

@hichris123 Out of beta?

Infinite Recursion

it's a slow process, it takes time....nothing changes in a day. I will say you gained a lot in a day, you had a problem you got a perfect answer + you got some rep + your question is still open, so many more answers may come in future

Unihedron

@Ahmad There's a reversal badge, so if you're conveying that downvotes are bad for where the thread includes good answers, Nope.

Ahmad

I didn't got, I think I should that idea to my proposal too

Unihedron

Hmm, +0/-4...

Ahmad

@InfiniteRecursion are you with me

user259867

11:30 AM

Still undecided on a new avatar. What do you think baba ji looks like?

Infinite Recursion

@Ahmad I am not with anybody

@babaji Poke Tim and ask him :P

also, protip, if you ask a question, add a "question mark"

Ahmad

OK folks, you have a great job by helping people, something that not any person volunteer then I leave the decisions to yourselves, but think on it.

Infinite Recursion

correct question: are you with me?

Ahmad

with all here, answerers

Infinite Recursion

@Ahmad sure, thanks for your suggestions :)

Unihedron

11:33 AM

@Ahmad I don't answer.

Patrick Hofman

Bad Tag Used: [crash] | IOS 8.x homescreen webapp crash at window.location, by Dennis, on stackoverflow.com.

Ahmad

:) yeah I have a good faith, and now I also got more familiar with the down votes system, but I tell you its unclear for new users

Unihedron

@Ahmad New users don't like downvoting for the same reason as you don't. As any user sticks around and gets a better view of the site, they will.

Infinite Recursion

@Ahmad if you use a new software/site, it takes some time to learn about it's usage :)

Ahmad

I didn't give up for my proposal yet, I hope my questions get some up votes, cause still see less meaning in its current status

Infinite Recursion

11:35 AM

Everybody falls a few times before they learn to walk, we all felt the same on our first few downvotes, now we don't mind them

Patrick Hofman

Bad Tag Used: [syntax-error] | syntax error in php while displaying data from database, by nido, on stackoverflow.com.

Ahmad

you don't mind them? lol, it's what you learned?

Unihedron

@Ahmad Hope to see you back here in the Tavern in a few days when you earn the afflication rep bonus.

Ahmad

it more like ignoring...

Infinite Recursion

@Ahmad I learned a lot, I write a lot better now

Ahmad

11:37 AM

I mean learning from down votes, you conclude that its better not bother them, ;)

Infinite Recursion

@Ahmad It's called learning, not ignoring. Now the downvotes I get teach me that I have written something wrong

Ahmad

note I am joking meanwhile

Unihedron

Please don't joke when Inf is being serious. It confuses me.

I almost rushed to hit the "I'm confused!" lever..

Ahmad

I put a lol

Unihedron

(intermission: how inf used to talk)

in The SO Tavern (Free Snacks) on Stack Overflow Chat, Jul 28 at 10:36, by Infinite Recursion

Thanks :-) wats with coffee and cupcakes here? I don't see those 2 users here (am confused now)

Ahmad

11:38 AM

I didn't joke I misunderstood you and then jokes, I thought you mean by learning ignoring

Infinite Recursion

@Ahmad understanding people also takes some time :)

Ahmad

yeah specially cultures

Infinite Recursion

@Ahmad so, today you learnt how to chat. Next time don't say that you don't know how to chat...

Ahmad

I am Persian

Infinite Recursion

@Ahmad I am a duck

Unihedron

11:39 AM

I am on Earth! Beautiful planet!

Ahmad

yeah I mean cultural difference on understanding people

you westerns are more deciplined and one and zero

Unihedron

People? Where? looks around frantically

Ahmad

people of here, of everywhere

Jan Dvorak

there's music to share

only if you dare

Infinite Recursion

@Ahmad who told you we are westerners? Persia is to the west of the countries of many users in here who are talking with you

Ahmad

11:42 AM

for example kidding could be more in some cultures

Oh right, sorry where are you from?

Unihedron

I'm not a westerner. I live in HKSAR.

Infinite Recursion

@Ahmad would your jokes remain the same if I told you am female?

Ahmad

you mean me or Persians? I am a bit different I think

they are more polite with females

but being joking there is no difference

Persians are warm with men and women

Ok seems you are busy, see you later

Infinite Recursion

cya

Unihedron

cya

Ahmad

11:46 AM

nice to meet you

Unihedron

I'm just this other guy, you know?

Infinite Recursion

nice to meet you too, now I will go and close questions :)

Unihedron

follows

Ahmad

yeah do your nasty jobs :)

Infinite Recursion

:D

Ahmad

11:48 AM

;) bye

user259867

Infinite Recursion

what is that ugly thing?^

Jan Dvorak

should I flag that^^?

user259867

I decided this is how baba ji looks like.

Infinite Recursion

Eeek! Don't make that your avatar, it's horrendous

user259867

11:49 AM

Just testing how the new "report this profile" feature works.

user259867

It's a little oversized here, the actual image is not as in-your-face.

Infinite Recursion

still, extremely ugly

use altair's image

vba4all

cv-pls too-broad or no code shown stackoverflow.com/questions/26673792/…

thanks

it sucks that Siddharth who is VBA number 1 on site can't close the question by himself

i know some may take too much advantage of their powers but ... hey ain't they already highly trusted users ?

Infinite Recursion

@vba4all Don't think about what others do, everybody is different.

vba4all

i remember someone has proposed something similar like people with gold badge in tags should have give 1 vote that would cast as 3 cvs or something like that

Unihedron

11:58 AM

36

Q: Empowering tag-badge holders part II - let's look at silver?

Not long ago, we gave folks that have a gold tag badge the ability to instantly mark a question as a duplicate of another. This has worked out exceptionally well in practice. While there have been some disputed closings, the process is completely transparent and community oversight has worked jus...

discussion badges privileges

vba4all

beautiful

dang

reopen this one please

Unihedron

which?

vba4all

and close this NEW one as exact duplicate

-3

Q: Combining two tables in Excel using VBA

Using Excel VBA I would like to be able to combine two tables in excel with a common key. Please see below for a minimal example: I have the below to start with... Sheet1 A B C 1 type year1 year2 2 aaa 100 110 3 bbb 220 240 4 ccc 304 200 5 ddd 20 30 6...

excel vba excel-vba

Unihedron

Can't you just link it in comments or something?..

Oh. :P

vba4all

such a mess

Infinite Recursion

12:03 PM

Ahmad's conversation reset the star wall :D

Unihedron

What good is that? Don't you miss Bart's starred messages? :P

Infinite Recursion

1 hour ago, by Infinite Recursion

@JanDvorak Why do you ask me so many questions?

Unihedron

Hehe. :P

Infinite Recursion

Sep 12 at 8:22, by Bart

@InfiniteRecursion how could we not

How can we not miss him?

SmokeDetector

12:21 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: RANK OF PRODUCT OF TWO FULL RANK MATRICES by Tarik on math.stackexchange.com

vba4all

12:33 PM

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/26674689/…

too broad

um... disputed flag on NAA -> stackoverflow.com/a/9741069/2140173

what do you think

ProgramFOX

@vba4all Well, it is an answer.

vba4all

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/4379213/…

too broad.. no code included

just a dump of a requirement

Qantas 94 Heavy

12:49 PM

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/26675082/…

plz gimme teh codez

user259867

On second thought, including full phone number wasn't appropriate. Baba's privacy should be protected. New version:

user259867

Jan Dvorak

VLQ math.stackexchange.com/questions/999842/…

Qantas 94 Heavy

1:04 PM

@JanDvorak: it appears math.SE doesn't like VLQ flags like that, even for complete copy-paste homework question they declined my flag there.

Jan Dvorak

not observed yet. Thanks for the warning

ProgramFOX

My VLQ flag for that question was marked helpful.

Qantas 94 Heavy

> 1. Assume that books from a certain publisher have an average of one misprint every 20 pages. (a) What is the probability that a given page has two or more misprints? (b) What is the probability that a book of 200 pages has at least one page with two or more misprints? Thanks in advance : )

Jan Dvorak

@Qantas94Heavy when was that?

Qantas 94 Heavy

@JanDvorak: I think it was a few months ago.

Unihedron

1:06 PM

@ProgramFOX mine too, along with the OT, so either dismissed by a mod or someone vtc'd

Qantas 94 Heavy

@Unihedron: the edit auto-dismissed it.

Unihedron

@Qantas94Heavy I know how VLQ works. ;)

Qantas 94 Heavy

:)

user259867

@Qantas94Heavy Depends on who's handling it. If it's a mod, they will likely decline. If it's reviewers in close queue, you'll probably get it marked helpful.

user259867

The culture of Math.SE is that apart from spam-type things, mods almost never close questions using binding vote, let alone delete them. (I'm not fond of this personally, but that's what it is.)

user259867

1:09 PM

A mod voted to close the question ^^ when it was the fifth vote, thus acting as a regular user.

ProgramFOX

1:40 PM

!!/rev

SmokeDetector

@ProgramFOX ef2a2aa (ProgramFOX: Use class for global variables)

Undo

@babaji it's still not quite acting as a regular user.

Braiam

@Undo still, it isn't using its binding vote at it fullest

Undo

It isn't, but having a diamond in the close vote list looks a whole lot more official.

Andy

cough

15

Q: As a Stack Exchange moderator how should I share a close vote opinion without using my Moderator powers?

On Stack Exchange sites, there is a no way for moderators to cast a normal, non binding vote, If I have an opinion but I am not sure it represents the community response how can I best share my opinion with the community? Example: On a site where I am a Moderator Pro-Tem, my personal opinion was...

stack-exchange

I should get that cough checked.

Anna Lear

1:58 PM

@Andy Now there's a question that belongs on meta, not on Mods.SE...

Andy

@AnnaLear I can't migrate it. It's older than 60 days. I will make a note to the OP though

Anna Lear

@Andy I can. But I don't want to swoop in to migrate. Will ping the community team. :)

Andy

@AnnaLear Sounds good to me.

Braiam

mm... Pops already managed that post

2

Andy

offensive: stackoverflow.com/questions/3075147/…

2

Lynn Crumbling

2:13 PM

^gone

2

ProgramFOX

gone

2

Jan Dvorak

nice language indeed

2

Andy

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/q/26676785/189134

2

Braiam

this sounds reasonable meta.stackoverflow.com/q/275705/792066

2

Infinite Recursion

naa by ~2k user stackoverflow.com/a/26676889/2982225

2

@babaji please revert back your avatar, the experiment with Smokey is over, isn't it?

2

and the star wall is still Bart-less, who stared all those things about me being the one who closes posts aka the police :/

5

user259867

2:34 PM

@InfiniteRecursion It's not over; I still have to post a questions somewhere. (Since answers are not detected).

2

Unihedron

not meh

2

hichris123

[ SmokeDetector ] Score of 99.9998: +91-9950211818 v ashikaran specialist aghori baba ji on english.stackexchange.com

2

user259867

... so call me maybe. ^^

2

ProgramFOX

DO NOT STAR SPAM PHONE NUMBERS!!!

4

@Unihedron delete doesn't work on the version he runs :(

2

bjb568

STARY STARY NIIIIGHT!

2

Unihedron

2:36 PM

@hichris123 DELETE PLS HELP HICHRIS HELP US

2

user259867

So... I did not star the phone number thing, but what's the big deal? There are several copies of it in the transcript already.

2

bjb568

WHY ARE WE SHOUTING?

2

ProgramFOX

@babaji True, but I'd prefer to not have it also copied on the 'starred' tab in the room info.

Braiam

@Unihedron should I give the obvious answer?

Unihedron

@Braiam dunno but the naas are gone

Infinite Recursion

2:42 PM

@babaji OK, atleast keep a nice avatar image, we don't want/need to see such a amazing baba clone for Smokey's experiment, do we? Please ?!?

Something is wrong with the tavern now :(

Braiam

Something is wrong in The Tavern

Infinite Recursion

No Bart, weird self-evaluation questions, spam on the star wall weeps

user259867

Changed avatar on meta.SE only, presumably it will propagate to chat here.

user259867

Don't like the UI for doing this, btw.

Infinite Recursion

Also, @uni don't keep closing and reopening questions within minutes just because a high rep user asks you to do so, same for marking dupes, unless you are absolutely certain about the vote, don't cast it. If someone has left a comment asking OP to add code, it's appropiate to wait for a few minutes. I have seen this pattern a couple of times, so I thought I should tell you

Unihedron

2:51 PM

@InfiniteRecursion Ok!

Infinite Recursion

@Unihedron Thanks :)

Unihedron

Thanks for telling me :)

Infinite Recursion

@babaji Yay! Thank you

It's caching, it will reflect after some time in chat

Infinite Recursion

3:05 PM

Thank you dev team, the new contact us option to delete accounts is nice and very easy to use. Used it for my AU profile deletion, very easy and convenient.

user259867

A++, would delete again

nicael

STOP STAR TROLLING!!

Infinite Recursion

Stop shouting nic

They did it for me

Patrick Hofman

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/26677812/…

Which to close as duplicate? stackoverflow.com/questions/4558754/define-what-is-a-hashset or stackoverflow.com/questions/1247442/…?

Infinite Recursion

3:26 PM

@PatrickHofman imho first can be closed as dupe of second, second has better answers and more information

Unihedron

How about recommending a merge instead?

Patrick Hofman

@Unihedron Possible too

Flagged one to merge.

Infinite Recursion

@PatrickHofman The OP of that post is showing good progress

Patrick Hofman

@InfiniteRecursion Sarcasm mode on or off? ;)

Infinite Recursion

3:42 PM

@PatrickHofman Off. I don't use sarcasm. I like the fact that OP is online, edited his question to add information, and is using comments for clarifying meanings, instead of lamenting about downvotes in comments. I see a lot of honesty there.

Patrick Hofman

@InfiniteRecursion Okay. That progress is clear indeed. The progress in the question isn't going that fast. I am still in though, so I monitor the question.

Infinite Recursion

@PatrickHofman he wants to know why you wrote this:

Where do you see one class as a property? — Patrick Hofman 38 mins ago

Since it's upvoted, he knows it's valuable, so he is asking you

*upvoted thrice

Patrick Hofman

@InfiniteRecursion: for you: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/275825/…

Infinite Recursion

Alas, coffee drinks too much coffee every friday and rants on MSO :/

With a name of "Patrick" I would have assumed you to be male, which means you either watch porn, or you lie about it :P — James 43 secs ago

^he forgot to @ you @PatrickHofman

Patrick Hofman

3:59 PM

@InfiniteRecursion Thnx

Unihedron

:..(

Poor user in the SQL room:

Infinite Recursion

Ok, I will use it, let's see if it distracts you when I use your avatar :) — Infinite Recursion 5 mins ago

I changed my chat avatar to Shog's avatar to check that^

Patrick Hofman

You changed your meta picture, not chat.

Infinite Recursion

Yes, it takes that one in chat, reflects a bit later in chat due to caching

Unihedron

4:14 PM

night!

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: HOW TO INSTALL JELLY BEAN ON SANSUI E-TAB by ALEX on android.stackexchange.com

ProgramFOX

Night!

Infinite Recursion

night!

@Will And I hate coffee so this is question is really making me angry. — bluefeet ♦ 4 mins ago

@bluefeet delete this question before you get too angry and become redfeet — Infinite Recursion 40 secs ago

@InfiniteRecursion That would never happen, my bluefeet are permanent. ;) — bluefeet ♦ 1 min ago

ɥʇǝS

approve please: meta.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/32254

ProgramFOX

@ɥʇǝS done

ɥʇǝS

4:26 PM

Ooh, Infinite has some snazzy sunglasses.

Lynn Crumbling

@ɥʇǝS But then there will be no badgers ... :)

ɥʇǝS

I need to find my other picture..

@ProgramFOX thanks.

@LynnCrumbling Are you accusing me of killing all the badgers? :P

Infinite Recursion

Thanks Seth, soon I will look like Shog, am trying to check if it distracts him :)

Lynn Crumbling

@ɥʇǝS Just sayin' ... :)

Infinite Recursion

Ok, I will use it, let's see if it distracts you when I use your avatar :) — Infinite Recursion 27 mins ago

ɥʇǝS

4:29 PM

@InfiniteRecursion I saw that!

Infinite Recursion

ok

Braiam

next tavern trolling task: that all users use Shog avatar

9

ɥʇǝS

@LynnCrumbling Hey, I didn't want roadkill smelling up the site ;)

Lynn Crumbling

@InfiniteRecursion are you photoshopping that hat of his onto your current avatar, or changing yours completely?

@ɥʇǝS So you think you know better than Peterborough City Council?

Infinite Recursion

Changing completely @LynnCrumbling

Lynn Crumbling

4:31 PM

@InfiniteRecursion Too bad.. I felt like the James Spader "Blacklist" look would have really been a hit.

@InfiniteRecursion Oh my. Yes, your meta profile page has changed.

Infinite Recursion

:D

Lynn Crumbling

@InfiniteRecursion Your rep seems to be slightly lower than Shog's however.

jadarnel27

@Braiam That joke has been done before =)

Of course, that doesn't mean it can't be done again ;-)

Infinite Recursion

Yeah, I need to work on that @LynnCrumbling, however the difference is minor, easy to cover.

I am just going to feel very odd using a male avatar, don't know how long I will keep it.

Lynn Crumbling

@InfiniteRecursion Well, FWIW, consider keeping the hat, when you do switch back :)

<--- after all, every "good" avatar has a hat.

Infinite Recursion

4:43 PM

No, hats are too boyish

ɥʇǝS

Infinite puts on sun glasses

Infinite Recursion

Your choice of avatar is excellent @LynnCrumbling

Those glasses are a gift @ɥʇǝS, and I love gifts. If Shog gifts me a profile image with a hat, I won't decline it :)

ɥʇǝS

btw <-- WANT

Infinite Recursion

Eeek, no thanks!

Lynn Crumbling

I don't fully understand what dsc is. Is this ot? stackoverflow.com/q/26679267/656243

Shog9

4:50 PM

@LynnCrumbling if only there was a place where you could look up the definition for such things

ɥʇǝS

> Desired State Configuration (DSC) is a feature in Windows Powershell that enables deployment and management of configuration data for software services and management of the environment in which these services run.

oh, Shog beat me.

Shog9

And no, not strictly OT

though no idea wtf he's asking

Infinite Recursion

Hi @Shog9, are you distracted?

Shog9

I'm always distracted

by meta

Infinite Recursion

Not distracted by my avatar?

I feel like @Jan now, asking questions :/