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12:04 PM

Is there a particular reason why this should not be migrated to MSO? meta.stackexchange.com/questions/211565/… To clarify, I requested that and it was dismissed as "helpful" but then simply closed ...

Jan Dvorak

SPAM meta.stackexchange.com/questions/238719/…

Bart

Nah, baby wraps are for the Cooking SE @JanDvorak

Infinite Recursion

@Bart Why did you post it on MSE instead of posting on MSO?

Bart

@InfiniteRecursion I didn't. That was the old MSO

Infinite Recursion

@JanDvorak Gone too fast, couldn't flag :(

Jan Dvorak

12:07 PM

@InfiniteRecursion there was plenty of time...

@Bart nah, "baby carrier" sounds a bit like from the realm of GSM networking

Stijn

4

Q: Will the remaining questions here that belong on MSO, eventually get migrated?

The last couple of weeks I've been closing some questions in the review queue that were asked before the split but currently belong on MSO. From what I understand, the point of that is to eventually migrate them to MSO. A couple people in chat confirmed this, but I'd like to get an official answ...

Bart

:D

Stijn

> If it's important, and still relevant - then go ahead and write a new post on MSO. Put the reinvigorated passion into the discussion that it deserves, if it's important to you. Let the conversation play out again, but this time, just for Stack Overflow.

Bart

Sigh, not going to do that again. I spent way too much on that post already.

Stijn

@Bart you can just copy paste the post and answer to MSO if you'd like.

I'd prefer that they migrate all those stackoverflow questions, but well, that's not what the mods want to do.

Bart

12:12 PM

The person who's paying to mods should really have a word with them ....

Infinite Recursion

@Stijn Was there any discussion on that? Question, answer, and most of the comments are by Bart, it looks like he was the dominant participant in that discussion.

Bart

@InfiniteRecursion I'm the dominant participant in any discussion. ;)

Stijn

There, let's see if this sparks some discussion. Two bounties don't seem to do it, so there you go. :) — Bart Jan 23 at 22:50

Infinite Recursion

remembers her mental note and doesn't comment

Hi @Krumia

Unihedron

Hiya @Inf, @Kru!

Infinite Recursion

12:16 PM

Hiya @Unihedron

Krumia

Hi @InfiniteRecursion, I met @Unihedron in another chat already. He knows that I'm about to spam you. :)

Bart

hovers over flag button

Unihedron

(silently walks away)

Bart

Your avatar suggests that that's only so you can shoot me from a distance with your bow ...

Infinite Recursion

(follows Uni)

Unihedron

12:21 PM

But I don't have a bow!

Jan Dvorak

@Unihedron crossbows are even scarier

Bart

luckily there's no such thing in Minecraft @JanDvorak

Jan Dvorak

@Bart which modpack?

Bart

Oh, I'm sure there are mods for it

Infinite Recursion

12:34 PM

gifts a bow to @Uni

Krumia

So since nothing so special is not being discussed, if any of you are geeks who are really interested in science as a whole, check out this new Area51 proposal Scientific Imagination, and how it is supposed to be like.

Infinite Recursion

waits for the shot and the scream

Unihedron

in Java on Stack Overflow Chat, 1 hour ago, by Unihedron

@Krumia Great proposal, followed.

Jan Dvorak

also hello from the javascript room where you already posted it too

Krumia

Yes I recognized you two. That's why I lurked for some time before posting.

Infinite Recursion

12:40 PM

I didn't find it interesting, sorry. I expected Schrödinger's cat kind of thought experiments, it turned out to be star-trek kind of sci-fi

Jan Dvorak

@InfiniteRecursion try to suggest it

Krumia

@InfiniteRecursion: You are welcome to post some thought experiments their. I guess it's on-topic for the proposal.

Unihedron

@InfiniteRecursion Schrodinger's cat explained by Uni: 1. The theory is true. 2. The theory is false.

2

Bart

@Krumia reads a bit like XKCD's "What If".

Infinite Recursion

@Jan: will wait and see how it develops.

Krumia

12:45 PM

@Bart: Well it is intended to be like what-if xkcd. discuss.area51.stackexchange.com/a/17667/115322

Bart

Hah

Infinite Recursion

@Uni: You are the geek! Please commit to the proposal.

Krumia

@Inf: He has already.

Infinite Recursion

Nice

@Bart: Did you get shot? wonders when Uni will use the bow

Bart

@InfiniteRecursion my diamond enchanted armour will keep me safe for a while

Jan Dvorak

12:52 PM

@Bart against a bow? Maybe. Against a bound blade? Forgett.

Infinite Recursion

:(

Unihedron

(attempts to enchant the bow while no one is noticing)

Jan Dvorak

slays @Unihedron while he isn't watching

Infinite Recursion

wonders 'what if' Bart gets shot...and she gets the diamond armour

Unihedron

(respawns and cheats in ultimate weapons)

Jan Dvorak

12:55 PM

@Unihedron creative mode is disabled on this server

Unihedron

noooOOOooooOo!

Jan Dvorak

did I mention it's a hardcore map?

Infinite Recursion

stealth mode activated

Unihedron

(crashes the server with a null ping packet)

Bart

This is why we can't have anything nice.

Jan Dvorak

12:56 PM

@Unihedron aw c'mon, the server isn't that stupid...

Infinite Recursion

remembers feeds

Unihedron

:..(...

Braiam

@JanDvorak wait, really?

Jan Dvorak

I hope

SPAM drupal.stackexchange.com/questions/128082/body-fitness-gym

gone

Braiam

1:10 PM

Yes, yes and yes. There, now the "Is it possible" part is answered. How is another beast altogether. — Braiam 1 min ago

Unihedron

I don't like answering "Is it possible to ..." questions because most of the times in these cases OP isn't interested in learning, and they neglect the effort you spend writing the post.

Infinite Recursion

Too broad/homework question

Braiam

you didn't see the question header: Is it possible and if so how do I

bjb568

1:31 PM

Why not just "How can I foo?"?

Unihedron

^^^ Straightforward and easier to answer...

"How you ask questions can determine your personality"

SilentKiller

leaving time.. Cya mates.. :)

Bart

cya

2

Infinite Recursion

1:51 PM

cya

2

Jan Dvorak

cya

2

Unihedron

cya

2

bjb568

cya

2

Infinite Recursion

Friends :D

bjb568

...

Jan Dvorak

1:58 PM

@InfiniteRecursion c-c-combo breaker

Unihedron

+1 for credible and/or official sources.

Carrie Kendall

@AnnaLear i had an on-topic question for meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/269992/… :( should i ask here?

SPArchaeologist

@Unihedron was the "noooOooOOOoOOoo" an attempt to check if anyone has the spirit speak skill?

Infinite Recursion

Friends on the star wall today...old man to school teens

bjb568

I was going to comment on this same thing. Its like they are using this new fashion of women in tech to get some free mentorship for their members, who have already paid a pretty penny. Next thing, they will start advertising "Free mentorship with StackOverflow members" as part of their package. If they were to donate funds towards education or a charity, it would be more appealing - at least to me. — Burhan Khalid 6 hours ago

Infinite Recursion

2:08 PM

@Spa: We wanted to shoot Bart, didn't work out.

3

Stijn

In regards to the mentoring program, I recall reading a while back that the first programmers "back in the day" where mainly women, programming on huge room-sized systems. Does anyone know how that changed to mainly men over the years? Or is what I read false?

Jan Dvorak

I might be guessing, but women usually don't like surviving on ramen and pizza

Infinite Recursion

Ada Lovelace was the first programmer, she was a woman programmer on Charles Babbage's computer, I know that much. No idea how it became male dominated. Ada language was named in her honor.

SPArchaeologist

@Stijn After the first computer bug turned out to be a REAL bug, women escaped, fearing to be confronted by the "computer rat / computer snake"

Infinite Recursion

Ramen and pizza are high calorie @Jan, I personally avoid them for that. Unless someone wants to be fat....

Stijn

2:20 PM

I've never eaten ramen before. Is it good?

@InfiniteRecursion I've the privilige of being able to eat whatever I want and not gain weight. Then again at times I have to do my best to not lose weight.

Infinite Recursion

Then you should try ramen @Stijn, it's yummy. I avoid calories. I have too many dresses which inspire me to stay away from calories.

Anna Lear

@carrie I had locked it overnight because things we're getting a bit dire. Unlocked now. Ask away!

Carrie Kendall

\o/ thanks!

Jan Dvorak

do I get banned if I correct a mod's grammar?

SPArchaeologist

@JanDvorak nope, you just get an arrow piercing. If you're lucky, it will hit your knee and not the head.

Infinite Recursion

2:29 PM

No, I corrected Bill the Lizard's grammar and got a threat in the OP's "about me". No bans :)

Unihedron

@JanDvorak Go for it! (ducks)

Jan Dvorak

*were

Unihedron

waits for the hammer and the scream

SPArchaeologist

@InfiniteRecursion that's is only your belief. This is actually a fake replica of the network to give to dangerous users the impression they are still active...

Jan Dvorak

@SPArchaeologist AKA hellban?

Unihedron

2:31 PM

@SPArchaeologist You mean the treatment-which-shall-not-be-named?

Infinite Recursion

Harry Potter joke :)

Unihedron

^_^

SPArchaeologist

@Unihedron you cannot tell me that you actually though that a board like this could exist in the real world?

you were "taken to a short voyage" about one month ago. Your real "you" now should be floating in a suspended life state in a capsule somewhere under Stack servers room....

Unihedron

o_o

Infinite Recursion

completely lost

SPArchaeologist

2:35 PM

don't worry. Let me just restore the pre-conversation snapshot of the simulation and you won't remember anything about this little incident. Enjoy your stay ^_^

Unihedron

So we're all hllbnnd and are in the board for "inactive users"? :O

SPArchaeologist

@TìmPost - when you have time, there are two new "users" here for the memory reset program testing. They have started making dangerous question about "the system"

Unihedron

Only one way to find out if it's true...

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/q/25336003

Infinite Recursion

2 hours ago, by Krumia

So since nothing so special is not being discussed, if any of you are geeks who are really interested in science as a whole, check out this new Area51 proposal Scientific Imagination, and how it is supposed to be like.

▲For you @Spa

Unihedron

Oh that's golden...

SPArchaeologist

2:48 PM

@InfiniteRecursion Evil mode: what is the difference with philosophy.stackexchange.com ? Just that the later requires LESS realism in your assumptions?

Infinite Recursion

No, the former requires a rare gift of imagination which you seem to be blessed with.

You are more matrix triology inspired, which fits the former, not the latter.

SPArchaeologist

@InfiniteRecursion Pinkie was a good teacher.

Braiam

anyone can feel "rant" here? meta.askubuntu.com/a/11865/169736

Infinite Recursion

A teacher's greatest asset is a student who can learn, for teaching is not the quality of the teacher, but the ability of a student. For those willing to learn, life is indeed the "best" teacher.

Bart

@Braiam no, why?

Unihedron

2:59 PM

@Braiam It's a critical statement, well done

Jan Dvorak

@InfiniteRecursion a bad teacher teaches nothing to even the best students

case in point: w3schools

Braiam

@Bart I'm not a natural speaker, and somehow people always read me as either pedantic or rantic

Bart

Okay, no such problem for me there @Braiam.

Unihedron

@InfiniteRecursion I'm self-taught programming since I was 8, I shall feel proud!

Infinite Recursion

No @Braiam, I didn't see any rant in it either. Nice answer.

Stijn

3:04 PM

@Braiam I don't see the point of the question under discussion, to be honest. Like you kind of said, the answer is "when it's the only editor that is installed and you don't have permissions to install another editor". I don't understand why OP is asking that question.

Infinite Recursion

@Jan: I said that in a context (as a reply to @Spa's comment). And w3schools isn't a bad teacher, it's a bad site.

Stijn

It's like asking, when is bread the only thing I can eat, where the answer is "when bread is the only food you have access to".

Braiam

@Stijn exactly

Infinite Recursion

Great achievement @Uni. Well done. You have very good reason to be proud of yourself :)

Tim Post

@SPArchaeologist black helicopters dispatched, roger.

Unihedron

3:07 PM

Hia @Tim!

Infinite Recursion

Tim sent those helicopters for you and me @Uni. Hide!!

Unihedron

(Drinks potion of invisibility)

Infinite Recursion

(Wears invisibility cloak)

Braiam

(becomes undefeatable)

SPArchaeologist

@Unihedron (patiently waits for the two victims to discover that stack staff is entirely composed by Nazgûl, so invisibility will only allow them to see their prey better)

Infinite Recursion

3:21 PM

1

A: Volunteer to help mentor one of 16 women starting a career in programming

This post went on Stack Overflow because we wanted to give Stack Overflow community members the opportunity to give back in a different way. If that's not interesting to you, that's okay. We're also probably not all going to agree on issues of gender in technology. That's fine. My employer, St...

Unihedron

The main post is on 69 score. (facepalm)

Infinite Recursion

It's still being downvoted...at 67 now.

SPArchaeologist

and the flames goes on. And I am still offended that they discriminate by chosing only human mentors. My pet monkey can work with SharePoint better than any "human" I saw in my life.

Unihedron

And kittens...

Infinite Recursion

And ducks....

SPArchaeologist

3:29 PM

Seriously, they are still keeping on the whole "this is discrimination" war?

bluefeet

I'm a booby and I volunteered

Stijn

> Should this question be closed as: off-topic?

Unihedron

@SPArchaeologist Let's ask that on Scientific Imagination!

Stijn

on the mentor question

it's been unlocked for what, half an hour?

Unihedron

If someone here says it should be closed, I will vtc it...

Jan Dvorak

3:30 PM

srsly... the first word gipsy kids learn isn't "mum", but "discrimination"

Unihedron

that's so deep, i'm lost...

Infinite Recursion

That's very nice of you @Bluefeet. I am sure your mentee will immensely benefit from having you as a mentor. Good luck. Hope you enjoy the experience.

SPArchaeologist

@Unihedron My kind side tell me the question deserver to live. That said, there is that little Discord inside me that keeps yelling "do it! enjoy the chaos! have fun for hours watching the flames flying"

Unihedron

o/

TGMCians

\o

ProgramFOX

3:37 PM

\o/

Stijn

Infinite Recursion

It's funny @TGMC, everytime Uni uses that smiley, you and ProgramFox appear out of nowhere - like magic. You three always do it in a row!!

TGMCians

yeah :)

ProgramFOX

If I'm online, I always have this tab open :D

Bart

SOCKPUPPETS!

ProgramFOX

3:39 PM

Actually I should write a bot that automatically responds to smileys :D

Unihedron

@Bart No, it's called friendship :P

Jan Dvorak

@ProgramFOX :D

@Unihedron :P

Bart

friendwhatnow @Unihedron? Does not compute.

Unihedron

@Bart 1 / 0

Infinite Recursion

thinks the old man may be right for once

SPArchaeologist

3:40 PM

@Unihedron Is Magic

Unihedron

@SPArchaeologist OH GOD NO

Bart

Unihedron

To think after all this time and there's still no spam posts or smoke... Is it weekend already?

Infinite Recursion

No, Jan became friendly and lost focus.

Jan Dvorak

I guess I should restart my browser; notifications stopped working again

no, wait, they haven't

Infinite Recursion

3:47 PM

No spam? o_O

Jan Dvorak

there just isn't enough spam in the afternoon GMT

ProgramFOX

@JanDvorak Errmmm...

Jan Dvorak

17:47 here

ProgramFOX

^ That's the activity chart of SmokeDetector, current time highlighted.

Unihedron

23:48 here

well... I guess the spammers retired?

ProgramFOX

3:49 PM

As you can see, the spam/crap peak is usually right now.

Jan Dvorak

Smoke detector isn't very accurate; all he detects is shouting, and spammers don't shout anymore

I could announce shouting if you want, though

ProgramFOX

@JanDvorak It also detects spam; there is a spam regex in the source.

Unihedron

We should go hunt for bad posts... they might be getting around smokedetector now

ProgramFOX

github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector/blob/master/findspam.py

Jan Dvorak

@ProgramFOX it has a regex for spam, but it's rarely ever triggered

Unihedron

3:51 PM

I have a question

Why does it use the case-insensitivity flag ((?i)), and then list all caps-lowercase alternatives?

(?i)\\b(baba(ji)?|nike|[Vv]ashikaran|[Ss]umer|[Kk]o
                       ^^^^          ^^^^     ^^^^ ???

ProgramFOX

@JanDvorak Yes, that's true, perhaps we should refine the regex a bit.

@Unihedron I... have no idea. looks at commits

Unihedron

Trust me, I have a bronze regex badge...

Jan Dvorak

@Unihedron I don't believe I am at fault here. I could me mistaken, however.

Stijn

@Unihedron I admire your courage.

Braiam

@Unihedron I was the one that pointed out to use the ?i, it was originally case sensitive

Unihedron

3:53 PM

@Braiam oh

To consult Wheel of Blame!

ProgramFOX

Perhaps there was an update at some time, but the previous code was kept. Checking...

Jan Dvorak

"Sumer"? Why?

Braiam

@JanDvorak sumer is bad... and hot

ProgramFOX

@JanDvorak There was an offensive post containing that word once.

Jan Dvorak

he was a dick, but he never included his name in the question title

@ProgramFOX once

Braiam

3:55 PM

once

Infinite Recursion

@Unihedron I admire your courage too.

ProgramFOX

Perhaps there were more reasons that I don't know of.

Braiam

in Unix and Linux on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 1 min ago, by casey

Charter was a bit more helpful this time. They gave me a time and date that caused the flag and in my logs I found a massive brute force attempt at my mail server and via ssh (nothing successful of course) so I told them their "portscan" detection was me being attacked and they closed the ticket.

fail...

ProgramFOX

@Unihedron The v got replaced by [Vv] here while the ?i flag was already added (don't know the reason though).

Unihedron

github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector/pull/10/files

ProgramFOX

3:59 PM

@Unihedron Why that question mark that you have added at line 10?

Infinite Recursion

@Jan: Sumer has gone through smokey's code, he mentioned the regex changes on the day when he was shouting in the Tavern using smokey. So that might be a reason why he skips his name in his spam.

Braiam

@ProgramFOX the i is older github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector/commit/…

Unihedron

@ProgramFOX optional char

ProgramFOX

@Unihedron You might want to do the same for the second word too, then.

Braiam

@Unihedron niga and nigga match, right?

Unihedron

4:01 PM

github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector/pull/10/…

ProgramFOX

@Braiam Ah, I was looking for that commit, thanks!

Braiam

@Unihedron regex101 is trolling me, or I don't know py regexes

Unihedron

I'm using regex101 too!

regex101.com/r/iE8cM5/1

Braiam

I was using the complete regex... why the heck do they need to match \bnigga\b

Unihedron

word boundaries?

here: regex101.com/r/iE8cM5/2

Braiam

4:06 PM

oh, why they escape \ twice? here "\\b"

Jan Dvorak

@Braiam "snigafication" isn't offensive

@Braiam string escaping

Braiam

is quoted!

Unihedron

@Braiam literal escaping

Braiam

python regexes are weird...

Unihedron

programming is hard.

Jan Dvorak

4:12 PM

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/25553385/…

TGMCians

@JanDvorak done

Jan Dvorak

three more votes needed

rene

2

Braiam

1

rene

Looking at the starboard: I missed a train?

Jan Dvorak

4:16 PM

@rene yes

@rene yes

@rene yes

yes

The fact that I'm home now makes all above comments obsolete. If I missed a train I would be in Eindhoven....

TGMCians

status-closed

Jan Dvorak

4:22 PM

translate: eindhoven

Infinite Recursion

Feeds is dead

ProgramFOX

@JanDvorak Feeds doesn't respond anymore; use my bot in Shadow's Den.

in Shadow's Den, 10 secs ago, by ProgramFOX

>>translate auto en Eindhoven

Infinite Recursion

Feeds died doing Santa's spanish homework

Bart

@JanDvorak "de gakste"

ProgramFOX

First argument is the input language, second argument is the output language and everything after those arguments is the input. My bot will post the output.

rene

4:25 PM

@JanDvorak look at the map

Jan Dvorak

If you happen to visit Prague soon, would you like some beer?

rene

sure

Infinite Recursion

It's friendship day in the tavern today :)

Unihedron

:D !

Infinite Recursion

★_★

ProgramFOX

4:29 PM

♦_♦

●_●

♣_♣

._.+

■_■

♠_♠

4:31 PM

◇_◇

☼_☼

◀▶

∞_∞

ಠ_ಠ

☺_☺

4:33 PM

º▼º

Braiam

36 secs ago, by Braiam

ಠ_ಠ

Jan Dvorak

staph already

Infinite Recursion

Halp..Jan broke our train

Jan Dvorak

I'm tempted to post a non-spam link as spam just to make @InfiniteRecursion happy... everyone else, tread carefully

rene

silver review badge on MSE!

Unihedron

4:47 PM

@rene gZ!

Jan Dvorak

SPAM mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?ui=2&pli=1#spam

(cc @InfiniteRecursion)

Infinite Recursion

Am an eternally happy person @Jan :) Thanks for your efforts though, I appreciate it.

thinks about changing her profile name to Sunshine

Jan Dvorak

her? TIL...

Is it possible the server-side spam filter does hit harder now?

Infinite Recursion

Yes, I am thinking the same. The server side filters might have been reinforced after the recent spam surges.

Jan Dvorak

should I go and start saving another website now?

Infinite Recursion

4:59 PM

Any other site worth saving?

Good sites are hard to find.

Jan Dvorak

MSDN?

Infinite Recursion

Never saw spam there. Maybe it has it's saviour.

Jan Dvorak

*its

no spam. I'm bored.

Unihedron

Let's play chess.

Infinite Recursion

I wanted to say thank you to you Jan, for fighting spam so sincerely and making SE sites so clean. Before I signed up for SO, I never knew so many people were working so hard to keep it clean. I never saw spam as a regular user. Now I know a large share of the credit goes to you. A big thank you to you.

TGMCians

5:08 PM

yeah so many people like me working so hard to keep it clean ... :p

Unihedron

You all make this a beautiful place!

:)

Infinite Recursion

5:25 PM

@Jan: A post I once wrote and deleted meta.stackoverflow.com/a/265538/2982225

TGMCians

I was reading your deleted answer yesterday

Jan Dvorak

why did you delete it?

Infinite Recursion

How did you come across it? It was a pretty old post.

TGMCians

someone posted link of that question here yesterday meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/269992/…

2 mins ago, by Jan Dvorak

why did you delete it?

Infinite Recursion

@Jan: Because there were other answers which were better. I liked Anna's answer a lot. So after reading her answer, I deleted my answer.

Bart

5:34 PM

I was going to ask the same thing @InfiniteRecursion. No harm done by leaving it in place.

In fact, plenty of users found it to be of value

Infinite Recursion

No. It doesn't add any value to that post. Am happy about my decision to delete it. I remembered it today when Jan mentioned the "her".

Bart

Fair enough, your choice.

Unihedron

Still no spam? Go have a rest... :)

A well, long-deserved rest!

Bart

@Unihedron I could post some if you'd like

Infinite Recursion

The spammers will soon find a way around the filter, SE will need its savior again.

Unihedron

5:42 PM

Until then, time is short, enjoy it :P

Infinite Recursion

What will you sell @Bart?

Bart

Why, glasses of course @InfiniteRecursion

Infinite Recursion

Ohh! I thought you would sell star tricks. You already sold a lot of glasses on SE. Every now and then a see empty glasses on profiles.

3

Upgrade to contact lenses!

4

Bart

That's not an upgrade. Glasses are awesome!

Infinite Recursion

Optical illusion.

Bart

5:52 PM

Believe me, I need all the help I can get to distract people from my face.

Jan Dvorak

@Bart lies. You don't have a face.

Bart

distraction accomplished

Infinite Recursion

The best jokes are often the closest to the truth @Bart.

Bart

/me looks through past jokes .... sigh ....

Infinite Recursion

/me steals your stars

5

Infinite Recursion

6:58 PM

@Bart:

Thanks all for the help. I don't appreciate Bart's downvote or any of the other 11 members who downvoted, but that's besides the point. — user3605366 35 mins ago

Unihedron

16

Q: Is there anyway to further improve my bad question?

My question what do the characters used regexp command mean? {^([^=]*)=(.*)$} received a few downvotes, for reasons I mostly understand. I didn't read the guidelines clearly enough, and asked for resources and recommendations, but I've now taken the steps to edit those out. I'd like to seek hel...