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12:08 AM

@animuson only those with brackets?! darn

I'd think it'd be easy to strip tags already provided in the tag field from the front and end of titles without brackets.

animuson

If they're not surrounded in brackets then you can't accurately determine if it's organically integrated into a sentence or not.

Braiam

8

Q: Automatically remove the patterns "tag :" and "tag -" from titles

My feature-request is a, slightly, stricter version of this, un-actioned one. If the following conditions are true, can the patterns be automatically be removed from the question title: Where the pattern ^<tag>\s?(-|:)\s? is matched. The question has actually been tagged with the <tag> matched...

^ found the one I want

bjb568

@animuson jQuery adding two numbers - How is it possible that "jQuery" in the start or "in jQuery" on the end of the string is organic?

Obviously use your brain to make fancy rejex, but it's not the hard to parse simple english.

animuson

But take an example like "jQuery does not want to work" - should that just be stripped down to "does not want to work"?

Braiam

12:14 AM

@animuson well, worry not, I'm asking about the "jquery - adding two numbers" where is obvious is not an organic part of a sentence

Vote to Close

I don't see why not. jQuery does not want to work doesn't tell us any more than does not want to work

animuson

@VotetoClose It was an example. What I'm saying is that you can't say all titles that start or end with a tag don't need that tag in the title.

Braiam

@VotetoClose that title has a fundamental problem...

@animuson do you have a problem with "tag - title"?

animuson

I can't really imagine a scenario where a dash in there could be part of an organic sentence.

Braiam

then you agree with the above presented proposal? this: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/138321/…

hichris123

12:27 AM

@BenCollins around?

Wanted to talk to you about some of the ML stuff you're doing.

bjb568

@animuson "jQuery does not work" is a horrible title, it should be blocked.

(btw, root bear floats are good)

hichris123

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/24966336/… (too broad or POB, take your pick)

Ben Collins

@hichris123 here now

what's up?

Braiam

@hichris123 the question was fine until he said "my question is firstly"

if it was a question about what I was thinking he was talking about at the beginning it would be a fine Q

bjb568

Well the appropriate action is firstly downvote twostly closevote threestly VLQ.

Jamal

12:43 AM

-1

A: Bootstrap animate progress bar when scrolled

Still no body ? Pretty please ?

hichris123

@BenCollins ugh, computer crashes kill me. Anyway, I was wondering how you were harvesting post bodies, as there's really no good way to do that via the websockets. I'm assuming internal-only? Also, anything for answers?

bjb568

@hichris123 s/post/

Ben Collins

@hichris123 I created a DB subset to train on, so it's completely offline

@hichris123 you can get the body through the API, though, if you were interested in that

you just need a filter that allows it

I would caution you, though, that the API is rate-limited and it would probably be hard to train anything useful on data obtained via the API

hichris123

Yeah, that's the problem. :/

The recently active question titles is half-decent for spam, but for anything else...

Ben Collins

you'd be better off using a data dump (archive.org/details/stackexchange)

the StackOverflow Posts dump is 5.2 GB compressed

start downloading now and you'll have it before Monday

hichris123

12:54 AM

@BenCollins but then how would you actually use the filter? You could train it, sure, but actually using it?

@BenCollins I have one of them... (I think February?)

Ben Collins

@hichris123 how would I, or how would a user?

hichris123

@BenCollins How would a person without dev access? ;)

i.e. me.

Ben Collins

You could use it to identify questions you were interested in, I suppose

or if you're a really active user in a tag and you help moderate, then you could write an app to flag things

there are a number of things you can do - it's just going to all be offline (from our perspective)

hichris123

Huh, okay.

Ben Collins

let me try to answer a different way, more clearly:

hichris123

12:57 AM

But nothing realtime, I'm assuming?

Ben Collins

you could use the API to get near-realtime questions as they come in and then your app can do something with that

(i.e., use the API to get your test set as you go)

bjb568

@BenCollins Poor beer meta...

Ben Collins

joomla is way sadder

hichris123

@BenCollins Though ratelimiting + limits. Though I guess fetching every 5 minutes might work...

Ben Collins

beer is pretty new (a few weeks, iirc), joomla has been around

@hichris123 oh, you can go faster than that. if you have an access token, you can do up to 30 requests per second, for a total of 10k per day

that should be plenty to catch every question coming in, even on SO

hichris123

1:00 AM

huh, wow.

That's... actually a lot more than I thought.

(thought limit was like once per half minute, 4k requests/day)

bjb568

@BenCollins Wow. I don't get why we need crappy CMS, let alone a dedicated Q&A site to them.

Ben Collins

@hichris123 if you don't have an access token, it's a lot lower

hichris123

Ah, okay.

Ben Collins

@hichris123 well, to clarify: it could be potentially a lot lower. Depends somewhat on how you deploy your app because the limits are IP-based when there's no access token

bjb568

@BenCollins Why IP?

hichris123

1:03 AM

@BenCollins So if I have an access token, everything should be golden for me? (even if I use API requests on my IP but not from the access token, I should get still 10k requests/day?)

Ben Collins

@bjb568 because that's the only thing that identifies a requesting application when they don't provide an access token that can't be easily faked

@hichris123 there are some other caveats: read the last two paragraphs carefully. api.stackexchange.com/docs/throttle

bjb568

@BenCollins Proxy? Head over to a couple local libraries to distribute it?

hichris123

ok, sounds good.

Ben Collins

@bjb568 it's not a question of whether it's fair for the individual app - it's a question of preventing abuse. If you're behind a proxy and http headers get stripped so that all requests look like they're coming from the proxy, then we don't have a reliable way to count how many applications are there

if getting more requests is important, then it's easy to get an access token and avoid the IP throttling issue altogether

bjb568

Sounds like you have a huge strong metal gate triggered by untrained dogs barking.

Ben Collins

1:18 AM

@bjb568 oh, nos. They're trained.

Doorknob

2:27 AM

SPAM meta.stackexchange.com/q/237151/180276

bjb568

I'll make it my mission to add funny comments to spam before deletion.

Doorknob

Please don't comment on spam. -_-

bjb568

Why? It doesn't do any harm.

Doorknob

Being nuked within a few minutes with seemingly nobody noticing is less encouraging than making it seem like people are actually seeing your spam.

bjb568

@Doorknob If spammers bothered to look at their spam, the world would be a nice place.

Wut? meta.stackexchange.com/q/237152/237813 Spam?

Flagged it anyway...

Doorknob

2:33 AM

spam

@bjb568 Well, in any case, by the same logic, it doesn't do any good either.

bjb568

@Doorknob If it does nothing, and I feel like it, why not?

Doorknob

@bjb568 That's like saying "If yelling 'I AM A DOORKNOB' in an empty room doesn't do anything, why shouldn't I?" It's just better in general to let spam die without a trace.

bjb568

@Doorknob If I like yelling, it'll be fun. Spam doesn't die without a trace anyway, it's soft deleted.

Braiam

I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS @DOORKNOB DOING IN KOREA, THEY DON'T HAVE USE FOR HIM

bjb568

Korea?

Weird, a mod cleared the flags.

Doorknob

2:44 AM

@bjb568 It got owner-deleted and then undeleted again

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: DFSA’S AND REGULAR LANGUAGES on math.stackexchange.com

Doorknob

... and deleted by owner again.

bjb568

@SmokeDetector ARGH! Can't create account because borking.

Cole Johnson

Ok, so I just earned the Necromancer badge for having my answer merged with another question? stackoverflow.com/questions/6048913/…

bjb568

@ColeJohnson Why don't they merge more often?

Cole Johnson

2:51 AM

@bjb568 ?

bjb568

Merge answers of questions.

Oh yeah, I found my meta post:

5

Q: Handling the answers of Duplicates

This got me thinking. There are problems with the way answers to duplicate questions are handled currently. Low quality There are far too many of these: See [here](dup) You can foo the bar. More info here: [here](answer to dup, maybe by the same person) See the [manual](manual) ...

feature-request duplicate-questions

Cole Johnson

But what if I want to fizz the buzz?

user163250

A bunch of really low-rep users just joined the Area 51 proposal for Stack Overflow Academy within the last 4 hours:

user163250

68

Stack Overflow Academy

Proposed Q&A site for programmers who want to learn how to ask good questions on Stack Overflow

Currently in definition.

user163250

As in, they all joined 4 hours ago.

user163250

3:03 AM

Simultaneously.

user163250

It's kind of...weird...

bjb568

Somebody advertising it probably.

Cole Johnson

Could we get a mod to check the timestamps? See how close they registered?

animuson

I have a feeling they wouldn't actually launch that site if it made it to 100% commitment, considering there is a bit of disagreement internally.

user163250

Hmm, interesting.

user163250

3:06 AM

@ColeJohnson the top 3-4 accounts were all created 40 days ago.

user163250

Most of those users I've checked don't have Stack Exchange user profiles.

user163250

Is that normal?

user163250

Do you only get a Stack Exchange profile is you actually visit Stack Exchange?

user163250

Okay, I just checked the profiles for all those accounts.

animuson

shrugs Does it matter? Those 51 rep users won't count towards anything in the commitment phase. All they're doing is dooming the proposal by giving it a prematurely high number of people interested.

user163250

3:10 AM

It just looks really suspicious.

user163250

All of them except for one were created 40 days ago.

user163250

Like...sock suspicious.

user163250

Or maybe I'm just imagining things.

bjb568

Socks, you say? Maybe check votes.

animuson

@Dan Most of the users that hate Stack Exchange are the ones that are too lazy to formulate good questions and answers and then don't care enough to understand why those questions and answers weren't good, kind of like the person in that blog. The entire thing is based on a question which is terrible by Stack Overflow's standards. But your strategy is good. Going around calling people stupid Nazi a**h*les is definitely the best way to go about getting questions reopened. — animuson ♦ 35 secs ago

user163250

3:13 AM

...

user163250

Are we talking about that Sergey blog or whatever his name is?

animuson

The "Why StackOverflow sucks" blog, that doesn't even type the site name correctly.

user163250

That post, along with that other one, are just cesspools of ranting.

user163250

This one: michael.richter.name/blogs/…

bjb568

@animuson VLQ - it's not constructive and borderline offensive.

user163250

3:16 AM

Every time some user becomes disgruntled with SO, they go and post a new comment on at least one of those, guaranteed.

bjb568

@Cupcake Not me.

animuson

Because the best thing to do when you're disgruntled with something is to go to Google and type in "such-and-such sucks amirite?"

bjb568

^ Huh.

user163250

I don't understand why Lance got worked up over deleting this: stackoverflow.com/questions/12498308/…

user163250

It's not even that old.

Cole Johnson

3:20 AM

> Still think Internet Explorer sucks? Microsoft wants you to know it sucks.

2

hichris123

@animuson I really want to correct him on the name, but I'll hold off.. ;)

user163250

3:46 AM

Seems like MSO was really active with popular questions this week.

user163250

I don't know, maybe it's just me.

Cole Johnson

@Cupcake it's just you. It's always just you.

user163250

@ColeJohnson meta.stackoverflow.com/…..

user163250

There. Proof :P

user163250

Oh wait, the query is wrong.

user163250

3:51 AM

Oh wait, it's not wrong.

user163250

Maybe it needs url encoding...

user163250

Hmm..

user163250

Screw it, just use this:

user163250

is:question score:40.. created:2014-07-18..

Braiam

brb, eating muffing

cupcakes are safe... for now

animuson

3:58 AM

Cupcakes are never safe!

Jamal

Cupcakes are ~~delicious~~ our friends.

bjb568

4:25 AM

Cupcakes are our friends because they are delicious.

GTG - I'll eat some in my dreams.

Jan Dvorak

4:48 AM

SPAM meta.stackexchange.com/questions/237153/…

Jamal

Love the username

(the spammer's username)

animuson

I feel like there should be a Captain in front of that.

Jamal

Seems short for "longnight of spamming"

Jan Dvorak

Mt. 5:44 - Love thy enemy['s username]

Jamal

5:15 AM

1

Losers

Proposed Q&A site for who are failures in life.

Currently in definition.

Jan Dvorak

SPAM meta.stackexchange.com/questions/237155/weight-loss-meta

animuson

I'm hungry but we have no real food in the house. Only gummy bears and Mike & Ikes.

Jamal

@JanDvorak This username looks strangely similar to animuson's...

Jan Dvorak

5:47 AM

SPAM serverfault.com/questions/615656/…

SPAM superuser.com/questions/788335/…

SPAM meta.stackexchange.com/questions/237157/try-to-skin-care-carem

The server-side spam filter seems to be tired in the mornings

TGMCians

morning

Jan Dvorak

morning

animuson

abstract class File extends Magic { ... }

Jan Dvorak

function(){[native code]}

TGMCians

6:05 AM

Jan : do you work in mobile hybrid framework as like phonegap etc ?

Jan Dvorak

no

TGMCians

ok

animuson

6:29 AM

> You're not a loser. Think how pretty you make people look by contrast. That's a gift.

SmokeDetector

7:05 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: MEDICINE FOR BLOOMING FACE on meta.stackexchange.com

Jan Dvorak

also, SPAM

Jan Dvorak

7:24 AM

unclear, or worse? workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/31319/…

animuson

Blatantly off-topic. I don't know what railways in South Africa has to do with the workplace...

rene

8:03 AM

missed the early train...

Jan Dvorak

8:34 AM

SPAM meta.stackexchange.com/questions/237162/…

ProgramFOX

If there is a new message in the Tavern at the same time there is a new question on MSE, it is in almost all cases spam...

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: GCM RETURNS 404 ERROR on stackoverflow.com

Jan Dvorak

SPAM meta.stackexchange.com/questions/237163/…

Doorknob

9:28 AM

stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/5395758

^ wat?

@animuson class Magic implements Skynet...

Jan Dvorak

@Doorknob crappy OP-approves do happen. If you think it should be rolled back, do.

Doorknob

class Community♦ implements Skynet

@JanDvorak No, I mean the edit comment.

"my" question. Yet the OP edits it as his own account again later.

Jan Dvorak

yeah. Weird.

Vote to Close

didn't it use to be at 8MILLION and some questions? now it only show 7MILLION and some? stackoverflow.com/questions

Doorknob

naa apple.stackexchange.com/a/140000/55553

Doorknob

9:50 AM

naa askubuntu.com/a/502908/186076

SPAM superuser.com/a/788381/218034

SmokeDetector

10:33 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: CITY BUS ROUTE FINDING : WHAT TO DO WHEN I NEED TO SWITCH THE MORE THAN 1 TIME on stackoverflow.com

Jan Dvorak

11:16 AM

SPAM askubuntu.com/questions/502947/…

Sumurai8

11:30 AM

Hello everyone

Hello @Sumurai8!

o/

\o

\o/

/o\

11:39 AM

/o/

\o\

_o_

----.----

ProgramFOX is now a plane

3

Jan Dvorak

1:41 PM

SPAM english.stackexchange.com/questions/187234/…

Sumurai8

But...

It was in English :P

Jan Dvorak

Not really

Sumurai8

It pretended to be in English

Jan Dvorak

Not really

Sumurai8

It might possibly been slightly English-ish.

Jan Dvorak

1:49 PM

Pure coincidence

Sumurai8

:P

GnomeSlice

2:19 PM

Today's Listening | Electronic / Psychedelic / Glitch Hop / Dubstep

Oh hey, that includes remixes too.

I gotta redownload that.

GnomeSlice

2:39 PM

@Bart

Bart

Thanks @GnomeSlice :)

Sumurai8

3:03 PM

Ugh; I am too grumpy today :S

bjb568

3:42 PM

@GnomeSlice Whoa! A GnomeSlice music recommendation that doesn't suck?

Jan Dvorak

@bjb568 that wouldn't be unusual

bjb568

@JanDvorak Really?

Jan Dvorak

I don't know what glitch pop is, but I like instrumental music

Jamal

-2

A: How can validate, so that the user can enter only positive integers

Declare int as unsigned int. If negative number is entered it is converted to positive

rene

Nice answer, upvoted....

Jamal

3:47 PM

I suppose that's more of a dream than a fact. Why else would people do actual input validation?

Vote to Close

►

Jamal

4:00 PM

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/24972647/android-usb-driver-prolbem

TGMCians

o/

Jamal : done

\o

\\//

>-<o

[-|-]

4:06 PM

Someone went on a starring frenzy O_o

Vote to Close

@Sumurai8 wasn't me

Braiam

@Sumurai8 if was @VotetoClose

Sumurai8

Well, to be fair, that was the most important thing that happened in the chat in the last few hours

And it is important that no-one will miss out on it

Vote to Close

i'm just surprised that not everyone starred them.. stingy tight wads

Sumurai8

I am just waiting for that single smart comment and dump all my stars into it.

Bart

4:11 PM

7

Sumurai8

now is out of stars

Bart

You're welcome

bjb568

Vote to Close

0

A: Announcement: Keyboard shortcuts are now integrated into the site

Will these keyboard shortcuts help me robo-review faster?

bug... the <s>strike</s> does not get implemented in chat

ProgramFOX

~~It does.~~

bjb568

4:14 PM

~~What?~~

Sumurai8

@bjb568 You are too late. I am out of stars :(

Vote to Close

ProgramFOX

---like this---

Bart

~~don't know what you're talking about~~

bjb568

@Sumurai8 Unstar something!

Vote to Close

4:16 PM

~~strike3~~

@ProgramFOX got it , thanks

ProgramFOX

You're welcome!

bjb568

̶Y̶o̶u̶ ̶c̶a̶n̶ ̶a̶l̶s̶o̶ ̶d̶o̶ ̶t̶h̶i̶s̶

̷A̷n̷d̷ ̷t̷h̷i̷s̷

bjb568

4:32 PM

0

A: Announcement: Keyboard shortcuts are now integrated into the site

Great, now I'll just go check that box on 125 sites and their meta sites...

Sumurai8

Ugh; I can't stand it when people use the term "forum" to address SO.

Bart

1. people are used to "forums" 2. "forum" is a fair enough word to use in plenty of occasions when you don't necessarily mean "internet-forum".

TGMCians

> This is an ultimate link, which will help you in solving your problem.

3

ultimate link or any other link ? any diff in those ?

0

A: Download file to phone with and without sdcard

When there is no SDCard, you can store files in Internal Storage. For same check - http://developer.android.com/reference/android/os/Environment.html This is an ultimate link, which will help you in solving your problem. http://developer.android.com/training/basics/data-storage/files.html#Wri...

Santa Claus

4:49 PM

ping

Jamal

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/24973150/…

Sumurai8

@SantaClaus pong

TGMCians

status-closed

Jamal

For the record, I blame the one who upvoted the answer. There are still users out there who are okay with these kinds of questions.

Braiam

@Sumurai8 he has less than 15 rep, he can't flag

Sumurai8

4:53 PM

Oh

Braiam

@bjb568 there meta.stackexchange.com/q/237172/213575

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: GOING TO CHURCH? on christianity.stackexchange.com

bjb568

@Braiam It was fine as an answer, wasn't it? Ah well, have some rep +1.

ɥʇǝS

cls-votes: stackoverflow.com/questions/18071776/…

TGMCians

3 more need...

Jon Ericson

5:19 PM

@SmokeDetector NOT TODAY. IT'S A SATURDAY!

Braiam

@SmokeDetector Y U SO BIG FONTS?

Jamal

@JonEricson THAT SHOULD'VE BEEN AN ANSWER.

rene

5:53 PM

@ɥʇǝS close...

user163250

6:26 PM

Wonder Woman in the Batman v Superman movie:

user163250

The boob armor makes me sad.

user163250

"Corset" armor :P

SmokeDetector

7:02 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: WHAT IS INPUT HIGH VOLTAGE COMMON MODE RANGE on electronics.stackexchange.com

animuson

7:52 PM

Eeeek! My dad replaced the yellow light bulbs in the bathroom with bright white light bulbs. Now it looks like the closet out of Poltergeist.

Stijn

8:15 PM

Should there be tags for specific methods? stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/downloadstring

Nevermind, found an answer: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/260664/…

bjb568

10:46 PM

Lol, from youtube:
"That is kinda why it's called \"faith,\" just sayin'."
"Remind me, who here before you was talking about semantics that justified your comment?"
"I'm sorry, I wasn't aware that I needed justification in the eyes of the almighty <username is="me" />. I decided to share my opinion, instead of just replying to various other replies without actually sharing your thoughts."
"I'm sorry you did not get the proper education to know that it is unsociable to change the subject in the middle of an active conversation. Remind me, where did you share your personal opinion on the su…

Braiam

@bjb568 just me or that's html?

bjb568

@Braiam I have an HTML censorer and JSON escaper built into my brain.

Braiam

starts moving away from @bjb568, and then runs for it

ɥʇǝS

@rene uuh, yeah. Those things.

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