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2:41 AM

Is it just me or did webapps go back to its old URL?

nothingtoinstall.com

Q: Webapps.stackexchange.com verus Nothingtoinstall.com

we know.

there, uh, was a discussion.

and then it changed.

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Nothing to Install is a fine name, probably one of the best in the network. Yet, it's confusing to have half the people talking about Webapps and half Nothing To Install. Considering... Naming (domain name selection) is really hard. Not all communities seem able to do it, as in they can't e...

mind describing what happened? Just curious

seo rank and site recognition concerns brought about the team raising a discussion as posted on our meta site, linked above.

i can't speak to why the url was changed 2 hours later.

interesting

I see their point...

It really hurts to agree with it but I kind of do

there are a lot of complications when the site takes its own name/brand

oh i have no issue with raising the point for discussion.

2:46 AM

they may just be reverting back to the old way temporarily until its solved

before it gets too set in place you know?

that's silly.

you can always add it back but its a lot harder to take it away later if we decide it needs to be taken away

then if individual domains are decided on, that's yet another change, bookmark update, and general confusion.

well, the URL still forwards to the correct place

but I understand what you mean

the permanent redirect was in place yesterday too.

2:52 AM

just voted up aeronaught

well said

The Unhandled Exception

Hey I just saw this, don't have time to hang around and chat but wanted ley you know @rchern I agree, this decision to take away your name was made far too hastily!

just along for the ride! heh. (;

The Unhandled Exception

Oh ok :-)

I'm off for the night. Catch you later @rchern!

hopefully we'll learn more soon |:

ah, adios

3:08 AM

i'm playing a little devil's advocate on the topic. It's fun

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3:20 AM

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fruit microwave fire

4:52 AM

So I see the team is screwing up WebApps...

Apparently so. Apparently the internet at large will feel more cozy with the infallibility that is the Stack Exchange monolith...or something like that.

I mean, they have a point..

it is going to be a tuff call..

@Chacha102 Eh?

@GeorgeMarian They can't decide to switch all the branding to NothingToInstall.com

They like the feel of something.stackexchange.com

Ah.

Frankly, I'm not surprised.

4:58 AM

same here

it is a very hard problem

Even if you bought the domain really early

and switched it

at least for WebApps, it has gained a sort of 'feel' to it

Yup.

I'd say it's so for any SE site, though less so for the non-techie sites. I was rather surprised that they were going to go for individual branding with SE2.0 sites.

@Chacha102 It does for the people who are already there, but I'm not convinced that it has that much impact on people who are new to the Stack Exchange community.

@tim but a majority of the community is the people already there...

That said, it could just be the natural resistance to change.

Right, but the issue of branding is certainly not for their benefit.

5:05 AM

@Tim It's not entirely removed, the community had input, right?

@GeorgeMarian Apparently it was "brought up for discussion" while they were in the process of reverting the domain name.

@Tim Ok, I'm a little lost. Did they revert it or just thought about it or were going to do it then didn't?

I'm not active in that community though, @rchern would know better about the details

From what I see

Obviously, I haven't exactly kept up with that site. lol

5:07 AM

They changed it for a little

and then reverted it

and now the domain redirects

@GeorgeMarian They switched over to nothingtoinstall.com, then today they switched back to webapps.stackexchange.com

What annoys me most about that (not being a community member) is now the site is called "webapps" in the footer on the Stack Exchange sites, which is confusing :P

Ah, ok. I noticed the change to the new domain, as I'm still trying for the stupid fanatic badge, for some dumb reason.

I hate Magento..

I've spent a total of 2 hours with it, and I already hate it..

heh

Client has a 1.1.7 version

and the current release is 1.4.x

and it won't upgrade cleanly

5:10 AM

Are they willing to upgrade?

I'm trying to upgrade

but it won't upgrade cleanly

from 1.1 to 1.4

having annoying database issues

so I have to use their database migration tool

which means the client has to give me access to a second database

and I have to install a second copy of magento

and then use the migrator, point it at the new DB

and tell it to fix the old DB

Sounds like a blast. =/

And supposidly when you upgrade from something like 1.3 -> 1.4 it doesn't it automatically

and what I got to think is, they must have gone in and deleted the file that upgrades from 1.1 -> 1.2

and rewrittten with 1.2-> 1.3

when they could have saved the code from 1.1 -> 1.2

and if they detected a 1.1 version

run that

and THEN the 1.2 -> 1.3

and finally the 1.3 -> 1.4

I mean, if you're going to write the code, why not keep it in use? Otherwise you are wasting it..

plus, it might help people

Right. While consolidating the upgrades is nice, keeping the old ones around in case that doesn't work is just a good idea.

plus

I'm a firm believer than as long as the first number is the same

There shouldn't be a giant change

5:15 AM

I tend to keep all sorts of old crap. I may never find it again, but I know I have it somewhere. lol

Like a PHP 5.1 script is roughly compatible with PHP 5.3

Agreed.

Otherwise, you're doing it wrong.

but might not be with PHP 6.2

srsly..

My future co-workers are gonna hate me...

And, if you skip point releases, it should signify a bunch of changes, but not necessarily huge changes.

cause I'm too logical..

5:17 AM

lol

and I'm only 17 lol

Never too early start.

So, I'm trying to find an argument against the following quote:

"The purpose of high school is so you can work as hard as possible for 4 years and then go to a good college"

Because I believe if that quote is 100% true, it is kinda depressing..

Well, personally I loved my college experience. Nevermind the degree. It was the "learning how to learn" that was important.

But I'm not talking about College

I know I'm going to College

But I don't spend almost any time outside of school working on school work/studying for school, etc

5:20 AM

Well, if you slack of in high school and do nothing, how do you end up in a decent college program?

Community College -> Guaranteed UC Spot

@Chacha102 Fair enough. I lived on a farm and worked my ass off.

2 year transfer program

You spend 2 years at a California Community College, and you're are guarenteed a transfer to one of the University of California

Well, that's an acceptable path, as ultimately it's what you make of it. However, it's better if you can get yourself into a decent program from the start.

I mean the biggest argument for it is that in the 4 Year Colleges, you spend your first 1 or two years taking General courses

yet paying the 4yr price tag

5:23 AM

I suppose it depends on the level of flexibility in your program.

Fair enough, but there's more rigor which better prepares you for the advanced courses.

There is also benefit to forming relationships with peers and faculty over that four year period, though it depends on how important that is to you.

High school was a breeze, college kicked my ass.

Granted, I drank like a fish my freshman year.

I dunno, I mean my biggest fear is that I wasted 4 years of my life because I wasn't up till 10pm studying like everyone else..

I mean, considering my school gets out at 3pm

thats 7 hours of studying

with eating/breaks, probably 5

Meh, I graduated a year early and studied like 1hr a day my last year in high school.

That is, 1hr a day outside of school hours. But, my high school wasn't very competitive.

5:27 AM

I mean, in the end I guess it is more about your passion to do things. If you have the passion, you'll find the education and the knowledge wherever you need to

Yup.

My roomate freshmen year had transfered in and did quite well.

and then you can even take a step back from there and go into religious beliefs..

But, he busted his hump before that in order to get in.

@GeorgeMarian I'm not worried about the work. I've done work :)

anyway, I'm going to bed

peace all