Tavern on the Meta

12:11 AM

@AmalMurali Query done. (The blank row at the top is a grand total.)

12:58 AM

@shog another history about tags: you think dependency is a good tag when, "apt dependency problem" is the question, where apt tag already exist?

and you can have others package manager with similar dependencies problems

Louis

1:16 AM

spam stackoverflow.com/questions/2326887/…

Amal Murali

3:27 AM

@michaelb958 AWESOMESAUCE!

@AnnaLear: Are you still around? (sorry for the ping)

Anna Lear

@AmalMurali what's up?

Amal Murali

@AnnaLear Any idea why this happens?

Anna Lear

@AmalMurali somebody flagged it for closure as duplicate of another question. since you're the author, you see the banner on the assumption that it's a new question and you're looking for an answer.

Amal Murali

I see. So that will remain until that flag is disputed/declined, right?

Anna Lear

However... now it looks like we have an orphaned flag in the system, since the post it pointed to was closed as a dupe of yours... Circular dupes are fun!

Amal Murali

3:35 AM

I guess the author of the closed question flagged this one as some sort of "revenge" :-P

Anna Lear

I'll make myself a note to look into this. Certainly looks like a bug, but I might be missing something; it's pretty late here :)

Amal Murali

@AnnaLear Cool, thanks!

Anna Lear

np :)

Amal Murali

3:54 AM

Any good Linux tool that supports taking screenshots and drawing awesome red freehand circles?

Braiam

4:09 AM

@AmalMurali shutter?

GnomeSlice

@AmalMurali awesomescreenshot.com

only for browsers though

Amal Murali

4:27 AM

@Braiam Can it be integrated with imgur?

@GnomeSlice Yep, that's what I've been using until now. But they remove the images after 3 days (unless you upload it to Google Drive, which I don't want to)

Also, their direct image URL looks crappy and is too long. I want something like imgur's.

rene

6:22 AM

Wake up everybody! It is...

Morning!

michaelb958

Afternoon!

rene

You are such a killjoy :-)

Is this day going to be like this:

This is a link only answer to a very broad and/or opinion based question... — rene 48 secs ago

rene

7:17 AM

SPAM meta.stackexchange.com/questions/231152/…

Shadow Wizard

7:54 AM

So quiet here

rene

YES IT IS QUIET HERE

Shadow Wizard

I saw Anna was awake in late hour

rene

Oops, did I woke her up with my yelling?

Shadow Wizard

No rene, it was @AmalMurali fault

he directly PINGED her

;)

Amal Murali

Oh... I'm sorry :-(

Just kidding. I'm evil :->

rene

8:00 AM

You are suspended for waking up an SE Dev. Your suspension will end in 2032

Shadow Wizard

Amal waking Anna up in late hour

5 hours ago, 12 minutes total – 10 messages, 2 users, 0 stars

Bookmarked 11 secs ago by Shadow Wizard

rene

:)

Shadow Wizard

:)

Amal Murali

EVIL!

@rene Please, at least make it 2042. :-P

rene

too late...

Shadow Wizard

8:03 AM

Now THIS is evil

:P

Amal Murali

/me scareds away

Shadow Wizard

I killed so many of them as teenager, amazing

Amal Murali

Sigh.

Shadow Wizard

Who called Bart?! :)

Amal Murali

'Twas me. It was all me!

Seriously, what is wrong with all these people.

@AnnaLear: What grates against me isn't the rep, or the attempt to contribute a canonical reference post (indeed, the former is designed to encourage the latter and so both should be welcomed in this case). What grates against me is the way in which this has been done. To put at the top of the question "this is the canonical reference, close everything else against this one" and then to post on Meta to get everyone's attention... it's just... well, uncouth. — eggyal 13 mins ago

Bart

8:05 AM

Who dare summon me!!!

Amal Murali

At this point, I'll just convert it to CW. :-P

Shadow Wizard

@Bart it wasn't me, it was the Beholder ^^^^^^^

SPArchaeologist

in that case....

Amal Murali

So what's the proper procedure for converting a question into CW?

Bart

@AmalMurali Boo-freaking-hoo.

Flag for mod attention @AmalMurali

SPArchaeologist

8:08 AM

Amal Murali

@Bart I'd like to also have the ownership transferred to Community. And not receive any updates/notifications for comments on the post. Is that somehow possible as well?

SPArchaeologist

can't leave him out of the discussion, can we?

Bart

@AmalMurali Then just have it disassociated from you?

Amal Murali

@Bart Hmm. What would be the best thing to do? In your opinion?

Bart

I already told you before @AmalMurali. Ignore all the whining from others and let it be as is.

"Boohoo, someone gets reputation because he finally took action on an issue"

Amal Murali

8:11 AM

A @Bart is never wrong.

:-P

Bart

If only that were fact

SPArchaeologist

@AmalMurali I had heard the word "uncouth" only one other time in my whole life and it was in a discussion between Rarity and ~~Alul~~ her sister. I am seriously worried - now thank to you I will always imagine Anna as a white unicorn...

Amal Murali

lrn2formattxtplz

:-P just kidding

SPArchaeologist

@AmalMurali Say that to this keyboard - not to me. ^_^

Shadow Wizard

8:32 AM

@SPArchaeologist nah, too easy. He's cute!

I guess everyone here already saw this by now? :)

rene

Closing voting as a duplicate requires an answer on the duplicate target but not an accepted answer right?

Bart

And the answer needs a positive score I think?

R.J

@ShadowWizard - That's nice :) But has it been rolled out officially yet?

rene

It doesn't really tell here or here

Shadow Wizard

@R.J it's available only on Stack Overflow and only by manually changing the URL so no, not officially yet

@rene this applies for all sites except MSE

In there we can close as dupe of everything

R.J

8:38 AM

@ShadowWizard - Can you give me the link to the relevant meta post? I'd like to keep track of when this goes live.

Bart

-12

Q: Changes to "close as duplicate"

As you may have noticed, Jarrod's been hacking away at some design changes to the "close as duplicate" UI. These are the first fruits of some discussions we've been having internally regarding the "close" UI as a whole, with the goal being a smoother, easier-to-understand experience for all invol...

Shadow Wizard

35

Q: Profile Page Makeover, Part 2: the Prototype

Wow, that took longer than expected (though right around the 6-8 week mark), but we finally have a semi-working prototype of the new profile page. Recap There’s a longer explanation on part 1 but the gist of it is this: we’re splitting the profile into two pages: An “About Me” page which is w...

discussion featured profile-page feedback

Bart

From there "close targets are restricted to answered questions", and that's the SE definition of answered. An accepted or upvoted answer. @rene

rene

@Bart Tnx!

SPArchaeologist

@ShadowWizard you want something un-cute or just evil? :P

Shadow Wizard

8:43 AM

@SPArchaeologist oh, good point. Can't have them both, I guess!

rene

I'm beaten by the Oxford dictionary meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/253824/…

Bart

Myeah, it is a forum. But it's not a forum.

rene

sure...I'll refrain from further comments...better for all of us

Shadow Wizard

@Bart yeah, reminds me of a soapless soap.

rene

Is this a Please merge my sock-puppets?

SPArchaeologist

8:56 AM

@rene FU-SIO-HAAAAA! (Reputation level increased over nine thousand!!!!!)

Shadow Wizard

@rene not sure yet, this would be ultra silly

rene

I assume ChrisF keeps his eyes open :-)

Shadow Wizard

9:12 AM

@rene and a finger on the trigger :-D

@AnnaLear please let me know when you're around - if you got few seconds to spare :)

rene

9:34 AM

Do you get extra points for freehand crosses and tickmarks?

Bart

With enough freehand you do at some point get full mod privileges @rene

rene

SPAM stackoverflow.com/questions/23514010/…

Bart

WTF is that?

rene

I dunno but it has to go, quickly...

Bart

Dunno, sexy avatar makes me hesitate

rene

9:39 AM

You're easily distracted?

Bart

Nah, I'm pretty well focsquirrel

SPArchaeologist

@ShadowWizard evil enough?

rene

9:56 AM

Oh boy ...

0

Q: REWRITE MY PROOF!!!!!! (I know its right) :)

Okay guys so Ive been working very hard at some of the questions that my lecturer gave me last weekend to do, its due TOMORROW so I need you to write this proof up for me neatly in nice "Mathematical" langauge, or so my profesor says hahaha So he wanted us to prove that P=NP, firstly I assumed ...

integration

Can you please hurry up answering that...

Bart

Hahahaha.

Mat

Not sure if trolling...

Bart

And the whole academic world now thinks: "wait ... oh my god .... it was right in front of us all this time"

SPArchaeologist

@Mat It is trolling. He must be trolling. He cannot be serious. And if he his, please check his belongings.... he must have found the Necronomicon - having seen the horror that lingers between is the only plausible explanation for such behaviour.

rene

Love the comment @Bart

Bart

10:01 AM

Just trying to be practical here @rene. Keep the question on-topic.

rene

hehehe

SPArchaeologist

From his other question: demonstrate that "n*(n+1) divided by 3 is a triangular number". " I was trying brute force but I can't finish"......

Bart

People are very serious on this site. You may not be, but if u do this kind of bullshit one more time, I swear I'll kick you out of this site personally — user34304 2 mins ago

Mat

10

Q: Example "bad proofs"?

As a sidetrack in this question it came up that it is important to have students read texts (in particular proofs) critically. As examples it is nice to have correct proofs at hand (presumably in the textbook/lecture notes), but also a variety of others: Proofs that are just plain wrong, like t...

pedagogy proofs

I think we got a winner for that one :)

Shadow Wizard

10:45 AM

@Bart isn't is obvious? Someone rage quitting in a very peculiar way.

Sad thing is that looks like many missed the offensive part thus is wasn't flagged as such.

@SPArchaeologist Too evil actually so it overflows and becomes good. ;-D

Louis

11:07 AM

cv-pls-opinion-based stackoverflow.com/questions/23513058/…

GnomeSlice

@AmalMurali app.prntscr.com

rene

Your problem is probably on line 42. — Soner Gönül 43 secs ago

Bart

Oh, I'd love for the reply to be "That was it. Thanks!"

rene

lol

SPArchaeologist

11:32 AM

@ShadowWizard forgive me for asking - So you did actually knew where that wallpaper is taken from?

rene

An new OP to Tim Schmelter (151K)

if remove the other it will not work and you will not understand it — user3611922 6 mins ago

Shadow Wizard

@SPArchaeologist no, Google did :)

@rene it wasn't aimed personally at him, the OP just said that if he will remove code, it will make the rest impossible to understand

And yes, he want us to write it for him.

rene

sure

Can somebody explain to me what enounced means: stackoverflow.com/questions/23515795/…

Google translates gives me in dutch something related to a dentist

Mat

en.wiktionary.org/wiki/enounce#English

i.e. "it may solve his actual problem, but it won't solve the problem he describes above"

rene

Ok, then I should alter my comment because I really think it does solve it...

Bart

11:49 AM

@rene "uitspreken" is the closest I can think of

rene

Ah, thanks Bart

Stijn

12:29 PM

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/23450641/updating-quiz-results-php OP hasn't responded to my comment after 4 days.

Bart

Haha "Your sample code looks pretty broken" ... I'm sure it was just a typo.

Shadow Wizard

@Stijn done. User can't be bothered to clarify, we can't be bothered to try and help. :)

GnomeSlice

Today's Listening: Electronic

Amal Murali

1:11 PM

@GnomeSlice i'm on xubuntu, that's only for win/mac :(

Braiam

1:22 PM

@AmalMurali I think they have a plugin...

The Guy with The Hat

1:45 PM

lol

-4

A: Why did we bother with line numbers at all?

░░░░░░░░░░░░▄▐.................................................................................................................................. ░░░░░░▄▄▄░░▄██▄............................................................................................................................... ░░░░░▐▀█▀...

Mat

SPOOKY SKILETON is spooky.

Jan Dvorak

@TheGuywithTheHat luckily, we are not vulnerable to ASCII art

Amal Murali

2:06 PM

@TheGuywithTheHat lol

Amal Murali

2:33 PM

Okay @AmalMurali - I'll pastebin ALL the code and you can wade through the differences and tell me if you can see a solution :D I'll update the Post in a moment. — theclueless1 7 mins ago

facepalm

Bart

/me points at OP's username

Amal Murali

I think he's just being sarcastic.

Bart

But spot on

Amal Murali

At least, that's the impression I get from this previous comment:

You know what, SO really does deserve the "£narky" rep due to it's "policing" - IF YOU DOWN VOTE, have the flamming guts to post a comment "why" (F* cowards). — theclueless1 10 mins ago

Shadow Wizard

Oh no, Jeremy has quit Stack Exchange :(

Bart

2:56 PM

?

Hmm yeah, no shiny shiny

Shadow Wizard

Jeremy T, New York, United States

7.5k 3 26 41

feature-request discussion status-completed top-bar status-declined bug user-interface

He was so kind, wonder who replaced him ):

Goodbye Jeremy Tunnel, and thanks for all the fish!

Bart

Reverse engineering proprietary file formats is just so much fun and such a good way to spend my time

jadarnel27

Wow, yeah. That sounds like a blast, @Bart.

Bart

Luckily is seems to be fairly well structured binary data, and part of the import works. But it's an exporter we need, so that will take some doing. Gah.

Tim Stone

@Bart Oooh, what kind of file?

Bart

3:07 PM

Mainly animated mesh data out of a proprietary garment simulator @TimStone.

Tim Stone

Huh, interesting.

Bart

I'm writing an exporter to that format for Maya. Or at least that's the goal

jadarnel27

3:23 PM

@Bart Well...that sounds more interesting than I expected it to be =)

Bart

Once I get it to work I might agree. But yeah, nice puzzle to solve

Amal Murali

If you're looking for puzzles to solve, you might like this game: Hash Guesser.

Jan Dvorak

@AmalMurali I expect myself to fail miserably

Bart

Oh boy, I'm going to waste far too much time on that @AmalMurali.

Amal Murali

3:39 PM

I've already spent a lot (read: several days) of time on it.

Some of them are pretty easy. I got 7/15, but no idea about the rest. :-(

Jan Dvorak

Algorithm 13 looks very easy to crack

Bart

That's because it is

Amal Murali

@JanDvorak Yeah, indeed :-D

Jan Dvorak

cracked :-)

now for the rest :-)

Bart

Algorithm 13 was sponsored by the Swiss Train Services

Amal Murali

3:45 PM

Ha, SBB :-D

Anna Lear

3:55 PM

@ShadowWizard Around now; what's up?

Louis

cv-pls-opinion-based stackoverflow.com/questions/23521981/…

Amal Murali

@ShadowWizard: How do you make such freehand circles? o.O

@AmalMurali Where?

@3ventic Everywhere.

hm

4:08 PM

cv-pls-opinion-based stackoverflow.com/questions/23520039/…

Different from the first.

Shadow Wizard

4:36 PM

@AnnaLear hey, just wanted to ask if this bug is known to you? (the team :-))

9

Q: Tags feeling a little shy again

When editing a question the tags are feeling a little shy and aren't displaying themselves fully. The inline tag editing does not have the same problem but the tags jump around a little as well. I'm fairly sure that this has happened before but it was fixed and I can't find the bug report. Th...

bug tags design meta

Looks minor but more and more people are noticing it

@AmalMurali Paint.NET "Paint Brush" tool, brush width of 2 ;)

The rest is probably artistic instinct

ThiefMaster

@ShadowWizard "Hey, I'm a [T]ag. I'm a bit shy but here's a picture of my junk"

3

Bart

@ThiefMaster So many replies to that are running through my mind, but none make it through my filter

jadarnel27

5:16 PM

@HansPassant Nobody is explaining anything away, in fact there's a whole spec written to send over to the developers to implement next week. I'm not giving back your 500 gallon buckets, I'm going to turn the tide back instead. Getting in front of the problem is not explaining it away, I'm honestly baffled as to how you arrived at such. — Tim Post ♦ May 1 at 6:16

I'm intrigued by that comment.

demongolem

I am in the close review queue and 2 consecuctive questions I have come across had comments by dejchlin "This question appears to be off-topic because it is not useful to anyone but the OP". The questions are poor, but that is not a legitimate close reason any more. Any comments on this?

Worse yet, some people upvote that comment

Bart

There are users who find it necessary to create their own close rules or manually reinstate long since removed ones @demongolem. It's annoying.

jadarnel27

Wow. That guy is developing quite a habit of pointlessly using custom close reasons.

"This question appears to be off-topic because it is not a good question."

Amal Murali

I've seen this once:

> This question appears to be off-topic because it's not a question

Anna Lear

@ShadowWizard I passed it on to Jin

jadarnel27

5:28 PM

This question appears to be off-topic because there are already a million questions asking how to debug a NullPointerException. Go read them. — djechlin yesterday

This question appears to be off-topic because it is not a good question. — djechlin May 2 at 21:47

Bart

@AnnaLear ^^^ flagable?

jadarnel27

You didn't read the documentation, go away. — djechlin Apr 24 at 2:38

Bart

For explicit moderator attention I mean

jadarnel27

This gentleman has apparently reached his breaking point, as far as SO question quality goes.

Amal Murali

Yes, this answer is not useful. It encourages bad questions which leads to answerers abandoning the site as a hobby entirely. So don't answer bad questions. — djechlin May 2 at 21:45

Bart

5:32 PM

Then he should get out @jadarnel27.

"Step away from the keyboard good Sir"

Anna Lear

@Bart Sure. I'd flag a post rather than a comment, though.

Bart

Okay, will do @AnnaLear. Thanks

jadarnel27

Agreed, @Bart. He should take a break - and possibly a high-dosage chill pill.

GnomeSlice

Why your code is broken on production

Amal Murali

A comment from 2010, but I somehow find it funny.

A Col. Shrapnel answer by any chance? — meagar Dec 11 '10 at 5:56

GnomeSlice

6:10 PM

GUYS

ramesesb.bandcamp.com/album/reborn

Bart

2 Listenings? One 1 day? What are you trying to do here?

jadarnel27

2 listenings, 1 cup.

2

Also no results: 1girl10000cups, 2girls(5+3i)cups, 65536girls65536cups, or 3frenchhens2turtledoves1cup.

2

Bart

:D

jadarnel27

Https xkcd not oneboxing is a major problem, and should be given the highest priority by the dev team.

Bart

Please start a request for that on Meta starting with "Community demands ..."

Wait ... Wooble is quitting and moving to Yahoo Answers? ...

Honestly I'd rather just go answer questions on Yahoo Answers at this point. Bye. — Wooble 1 hour ago

TGMCians

6:33 PM

Hey everyone !

\o

Braiam

@Bart I think he's giving selfpunishment

TGMCians

Here cv-pls-too-broad stackoverflow.com/questions/23525206/…

cv-pls-off-topic stackoverflow.com/questions/23524995/…

Shadow Wizard

6:47 PM

@AnnaLear thanks!

jadarnel27

7:03 PM

That is unfortunate that Wooble is bailing, @Bart.

Braiam

@jadarnel27 lets just not google that ;)

jadarnel27

I've not interacted with him much, but he's a 30k user on SO.

IQAndreas

The Puzzling proposal on Area 51 is only 5 committers away from beta! area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/45128/…

Is it considered spamming if I advertise Area 51 proposals that I want completed? :P

Braiam

@IQAndreas no if you are not as annoying as real spam

IQAndreas

@Braiam Good to know.

Braiam

7:11 PM

¬_¬

Andy

Anyone know why this user is removing apple from posts?

stackoverflow.com/users/3532040/…

Braiam

> Apple is the company that manufactures Macs and iOS devices. DO NOT USE THIS TAG!!! Use tags more relevant to the OS and device/computer you're targeting.

so, yeah, he's doing fine @Andy, through you may want to check that he really fix all the issues with the post

ie. "thanks" at the end removed, etc

rene

8:16 PM

Thursday and friday we have close vote events but....

in SO Close Vote Reviewers on Stack Overflow Chat, 7 mins ago, by rene

2

A: Enough fuzzying: let's let everything into the close queue and age out questions that don't reach a threshold

Implemented and going live in build rev 2014.5.7.2223 on meta and 2014.5.7.1592 on sites. Expect the number of items in the close queue to drop a bit.

jadarnel27

Maybe I should come back to the close queue. I haven't used it in weeks.

rene

@Bart He left a message in the Close Voters room as well...

@jadarnel27 You're welcome anytime...

jadarnel27

Almost a month, actually.

Haha, thanks, @rene.

Braiam

9:05 PM

@Shog9 this is the conclusion I reached, does it need tweaks?

Bart

Any mod who can have a look at meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/253933/… ? If this hasn't already raised all sorts of flags and alarmbells. :)

Anna Lear

@Bart Not much to do there.

Bart

Okay, good @AnnaLear. Just wanted to make sure. Thanks.

The Guy with The Hat

9:26 PM

Should there be minor-suggested-edits on MSO?

Braiam

wut stackoverflow.com/q/21453462/792066

@TheGuywithTheHat nah, suggested edits works fine

Bart

If anything it should be too-mi

2

Q: Spam from "Jamby"

Has anyone else received an email from some site called Jamby? They reference my StackOverflow reputation. I assume they're not actually associated with SO, but I don't know how they got my email address, as that should be private to my user, right? Hi, I’m Gary, co-founder of Jamby. I saw yo...

discussion spam

If those people want to contact all users with positive reputation ....

Bart

9:52 PM

Hehe, dammit. There goes my MSO answer.

Shog9

@Braiam you're kinda putting the cart before the horse, I think. My point was that tags can be related (in some cases strongly related) but can't be dependent on each other. dpkg may be related to 14.04, but they're not dependent on one another (as tags) - so don't worry about creating or enforcing such restrictions.

(If I'm misinterpreting what you were trying to say in that post, then take that as an indicator that you're not really being clear)

Braiam

@Shog9 yeah, that's my point actually, that because a tag is present on the question doesn't mean that I will start adding the subsets tags for it, case: a question about "flash-player", adding the "adobe" tag.

the reason to add the tag: well, that adobe is the maker of flash player (this is the conduct I want to address)

the same can apply to apt/dpkg as package managers: because "apt" is a package manager, doesn't mean that I will add the "package manager" tag when the question is solely about "apt"

if that doesn't appear in the question, I really don't know how to phrase it

Louis

cv-pls-duplicate stackoverflow.com/questions/23528330/…

Shog9

10:12 PM

@Braiam start with a problem statement, follow with examples, end with guidance

Braiam

@Shog9 that will not work... I prefer that you add an answer instead then.

the "problem statement" can be dismissed as "not a problem", the "examples" can be argued or twisted, the "guidance" will be challenged, if I find a way where my words holds 1 interpretation, and just one that's the way I need to use

Shog9

10:29 PM

@Braiam this is always true

It's still necessary.

Braiam

btw @Shog9 can this be implemented

Shog9

11:09 PM

@Braiam don't think so; not yet. Fair number of useful tags still being created by folks below 1500 - heck, [14.04] was created by someone with ~1200.

I tend to think the tagging situation on AU needs some more work before you have your bases covered there.

Braiam

do you get data on the tags deleted?

the new born tags I tend to kill are created by >500ers

Shog9

@Braiam eh; some. Not enough. Hard to say how many destroyed tags are created by low-rep / high-rep users.

I can do a full analysis on this at some point, but right now it's failing my sanity-check (there are 48 tags created by low-rep users in the past year still in use, some of them with hundreds of uses)

Braiam

11:26 PM

is there a query available that I can check?

Louis

11:48 PM

4 out of 5 of this user's answers are pushing an open source tool for combining jars. He does not explain how to use it, just sings its praises. Is this something I should be reporting? Here's the user: stackoverflow.com/users/3014673/dobby

Stilly.stack

@Louis It definitely seems like spam to me. Maybe just flag one of those answers , and leave a custom message explaining the issue, and have a mod deal with it.

Louis

@Stilly.stack Sounds good.

Amal waking Anna up in late hour

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