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12:44 AM

That almost deserves a historical lock. There's some potentially valuable information in there, not sure we should delete it.

12:58 AM

dunno, like the Q has several more votes that any of the A's

that and that barely only 1 answer has more than 3 lines

Q: Websockets are borked on the realtime question page

1:18 AM

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When I load the realtime question page, this happens in my console: And the list doesn't update in real time. This makes me sad. Please fix it.

bug web-sockets realtime-questions

1:30 AM

@Undo This makes me a sad ~~panda~~ doorknob.

1:58 AM

Poor @Doorknob

I should make an account named @Doorhandle just to mess with you

@Undo Ha, @TheWobbuffet used to be called that

I thought someone had done that in the past.

couldn't remember who

Hey, could I get you and other Taverners to quickly review my new homepage design? :P

sure

linky?

hang on, uploading stuff

keyboardfire.com

the images aren't showing yet :P

ok done

2:02 AM

@Doorknob mm... that reference to the sad panda... kind of kinky

likey, @Doorknob

might want to tone down the drop shadows

@Braiam heh ;)

@Undo Yeah, I was thinking of that

and there's a bug in that table

alright, updated

there is?

I'll leave it to you to figure that one out

2:04 AM

searches

and those blocks at the bottom, it wouldn't hurt to make them all the same height.

dang it, forgot to close a tr :P

Yeah, fixed height for that would be fancy, but I'm not sure exactly how I'd do that without hardcoding a pixel value. :/

just hardcode a pixel value then :P

But... meh! :P How would I get that value?

wow! @Doorknob passed the html validator

2:06 AM

@Doorknob guess

I could possibly use JS, and just leave it like that for people without it

Just throw one in. Call it 200 px and change it from there.

@Braiam Hrm, good habits? ;) I didn't check there beforehand

A: Checking if a string is a valid URI

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Possible duplicate of Check if url is valid ruby require 'uri' if url =~ /^#{URI::regexp}$/ # Valid URL

@Doorknob LIAR!

2:07 AM

What should I do about answers which are just "possible duplicate of [link]" with a copy of the answer?

meh, failed css one jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/… :(

@Braiam Heh, how do you know? :P If I did, I would have noticed the missing tr

@Braiam I know, had to use * hack for IE <=7

Blaze doesn't pass the html validator :P

I could use a conditional comment but meh too lazy :D

> Attribute tagert not allowed on element a at this point.

Ahahahaha

2:08 AM

Heh

hides in shame

Ummm, is this supposed to happen?

uh no

Nvm, fixed with vertical-align: bottom;

@Doorknob Still looks odd to me

2:12 AM

@Qantas94Heavy I know, was testing locally. Updated now (shift+f5)

It also looks nicer on small width screens now.

:)

Now WHY is meta an anagram of meat?

I have typed meat SO many times accidentally! "meat name" Argh "meat stack overflow" Argh!

Okay, I think I've found an IP address I particulary hate that keep trying to setup PHPMyAdmin on my server. What evil things can I do to it?

this doesn't have any delete vote, right? stackoverflow.com/questions/8867695/…

@Undo Heh, why in the world would it be doing that?

2:22 AM

I have no idea

Maybe ask Security.SE? :P

173.208.185.66 - - [06/Apr/2014:10:54:17 +0000] "GET /w00tw00t.at.blackhats.romanian.anti-sec:) HTTP/1.1" 404 488 "-" "ZmEu"
173.208.185.66 - - [06/Apr/2014:10:54:18 +0000] "GET /phpMyAdmin/scripts/setup.php HTTP/1.1" 404 478 "-" "ZmEu"
173.208.185.66 - - [06/Apr/2014:10:54:18 +0000] "GET /phpmyadmin/scripts/setup.php HTTP/1.1" 404 478 "-" "ZmEu"
173.208.185.66 - - [06/Apr/2014:10:54:18 +0000] "GET /pma/scripts/setup.php HTTP/1.1" 404 473 "-" "ZmEu"

^ A small sampling

Lol

@Undo sudo iptables -A INPUT -s 173.208.185.66 -j REJECT

A: Websockets are borked on the realtime question page

Too easy

hmmm

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Hmmm, so that DNS was used after all! We did some cleanup yesterday on the stackexchange.com zone. A build updating it to the correct qa.sockets.stackexchange.com is going out now, should be working shortly.

^ rofl

2:28 AM

@Undo meh, why wasting ur time on him, anyways

@Braiam because I don't have much else to do.

appoints @Undo as his permanent slave

:(

The DMZ

A serious place where infosec is discussed PS we don't do hard...

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@Undo Maybe ask in there ^? :P

okay

2:31 AM

hrm, for an official Sec.SE chatroom they don't seem very active

@Doorknob they are mostly europeans

Ah, that makes sense

or chat at works hours

Jason C

4:42 AM

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Q: Am I being hacked?

Here are just a few lines from my Apache 2.0 error_log: [Sun Nov 25 08:22:04 2012] [error] [client 64.34.195.190] File does not exist: /var/www/vhosts/default/htdocs/admin [Sun Nov 25 14:14:32 2012] [error] [client 96.254.171.2] File does not exist: /var/www/vhosts/default/htdocs/azenv.php [Wed ...

apache

@Undo ^

5:32 AM

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/23039288/…

2 more votes to go...

6:47 AM

Guys? What happened to Stack Overflow?!

Quite a few sites seem down for me

META IS DOWN! THIS IS HORRIBLE!

Nothing on twitter.com/StackStatus

Maybe they're upgrading from XP finally? ;)

WinXP Datacenter Edition. Yikes.

6:59 AM

Yeah

All seems down to me

Hey @ShadowWizard

askubuntu.com is up

hmm

this is a sign to become less addictive!

:-)

All down too @TGMCians, me too! :-(

:D

7:12 AM

Wow :D

/me also

Maybe the Indian Hacker Team took over? )-;

mwahahaha

bad I'm also Indian , wrong don't guess until you are sure :P

Oh wow, worse than I thought

isitdownrightnow.com/stackoverflow.com.html

> Down for ~1 hour 49 mins

oh

7:17 AM

ruined my SO morning dosage. Maybe I should go train?

@HamZa train the brain ;)

@ShadowWizard so you are idle for last two hours :P, no work :

Someone should really write a list of 10 things to do when Stack Overflow is down

@TGMCians we just had a pre-passover toast at work

No work from tomorrow until next Tuesday :-)

:)

@ShadowWizard Might be a good meta question...

Lix

7:23 AM

Phew... It's not only me...

up meta

up SO

oops, just sent an email

Oh :)

@ShadowWizard #1: remember the posts you want to flag when SO is up

@JanDvorak no posts, it was down when I first tried to view it :(

7:27 AM

it was up when my spamfilter was running overnight

7:45 AM

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A: All sites were down

We are working on mitigating a DDoS Attack: https://twitter.com/StackStatus/status/455249315112701953

@ShadowWizard thanks for the quote; metaso is dead for me

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/23040090/…

@LaszloPapp I can't

oh?

I did

7:48 AM

but I'll add it to my queue of stuff that I want to do when SO is up for me

oh, it is not up for you?

no

@TGMCians: thanks, appreciated.

closed

@ShadowWizard That's right, it's Passover this week!

7:49 AM

No problem

Ok, I'm going to bed. It's two in the morning here :)

@BlueIce Seder is tomorrow, yep. You know from experience, or friends?

good night.

@ShadowWizard I'm a little Jewish :)

@BlueIce lol! Night! :)

7:52 AM

@LaszloPapp And a good <insert time of day> to you too :P

@ShadowWizard yup! See ya tomorrow!

@BlueIce or when you wake up and get back! :D

(you can also visit my den ;))

cv-pls meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/229311/…

Wow, deleted by author

@TGMCians too late, OP deleted it.

yes

what to do with revealed interview questions on Stack Overflow? It should not have been disclosed in the first place in certain cases that I am aware of because I got into the same situation, and I can say this for sure.

I am leaning towards reporting it.

7:56 AM

The fact that a question comes from an interview is irrelevant. If it's a good question, it's a good question.

(And most on SO are bad, zero-effort questions.)

unless the interview is still running, in which case you should defer answering it

well, there are very specific questions for which the chance is close to zero percent to come from elsewhere.

I am not sure Stack Overflow wants to get into trouble due to those.

@LaszloPapp the world is big, how can you be so sure?

@LaszloPapp it won't

@HamZa: read again, I said close to zero, not zero.

7:59 AM

the poster might, but that's none of our business

there is 1:100000000 change to have the same question elsewhere sometimes, but it is very low.

@JanDvorak: no, what I mean is the communication overhead, not law trouble. That is not the only one.

and possibly bad reputation for not acting when it is reported.

Yeah, I'm talking about the fact that you're suggesting that the chance is so small
But I think you would know better...

@LaszloPapp: why would SO get in trouble? What "communication overhead"?

@HamZa: it is not a question about what a constructor is. It is about solving a very specific academic problem.

how does it pose any trouble for us? Well we won't delete it on demand, but they run that risk everywhere.

@LaszloPapp quote?

8:01 AM

quote what?

well, this is already a communication overhead here.

plus, it is possible the company doing the interviews would contact Stack Overflow, etc.

quote an example, please

sorry, what do you mean?

@LaszloPapp we hold no liability

@LaszloPapp I mean, what specific question are you talking about?

do you really think I would reveal it to users when I am constrained by NDA? :)

possible answer spam, maybe already deleted: math.stackexchange.com/questions/260336/…

8:03 AM

apparently, it is just me taking this seriously.

should this be closed? stackoverflow.com/questions/23038230/…

@JanDvorak yep, of course.

one possible outcome is also that the company does not come to the career site on SE to advertise job, and that is a loss.

@ShadowWizard thanks; I wasn't sure I remembered the body correctly

but it could end up with other kind of bad reputation when such an incident is reported and SE does not do anything about it.

8:05 AM

@LaszloPapp doubtful

I do not think so. It would be bad reputation in front of my eyes, for instance, and I am likely not alone with that.

oookay. SO is up and running for me now.

Q: Starting a career in development? -Without a Degree

you can close stuff now :)

the tricky part is reporting an accident like that however... you cannot reveal the question, but on the other hand you would - at least partially - confirm to the SE team, it is, even if you do not mention the client.

that kind of enforces me not to even report it, and leave the responsibility with the author.

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Im 17 and my goal is to work my way up to becoming a software engineer. I completed an apprenticeship in IT Support and now work full time as IT Engineer for a software company. My question consists of a few parts: a)What Language?! -I'm stuck between Java, C++ and C#. I first started learnin...

c# java c++ microsoft-certifications

perhaps it could be migrated to productivity.stackexchange.com?

cv-pls meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/229312/…

@JanDvorak great !

so the best way to handle migration after the closure is a custom moderator attention flag requesting it?

8:17 AM

@LaszloPapp only if the question is obviously worth migrating

most likely it isn't

Why? productivity is about such questions.

the only problem I see is that he has more than one question for one question, but that could be fixed easily.

@LaszloPapp or used as an excuse for closure

Rule of thumb: if you're not active in the target site, don't suggest migration there.

I wrote to him to modify his question into one on-topic question, and then it could be a good question on productivity.

hmm... down again

8:24 AM

good good, the constant unexplained daily downvotes are coming.

Not for me

@JanDvorak: down or just slow?

down

@rene: OH NOOOOOOOOES! stackoverflow.com/questions/23040475/…

hmm... api.se seems still up

8:25 AM

@rene: I think this is the time to tell him politely to read a beginner introduction book about the topic IMHO...

but I don't have nearly enough requests to poll it for questions

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/23040475/…

10:50 AM

ssshhh !

One more close vote to get this tool request closed cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/23038476/auto-discover-ip-webcam-in

done

thanks

cv-pls-off-topic-lack-of-info... stackoverflow.com/questions/23041523/…

Gah, why does that guy need to make up his own deprecated close reason when a default one works just fine. Grr

10:55 AM

^, I don't know why

Annoying

I was first there

> This question appears to be off-topic because it lacks sufficient information to diagnose the problem. Describe your problem in more detail or include a minimal example in the question itself." – TGMCians, nKn, Bart

and first two votes were reason

This question appears to be off-topic because it shows no prior research nor minimal understanding of the problem being solved — Marcin Orlowski 18 mins ago

Yeah, luckily you were.

hmm

@JanDvorak has been busted :(

@JanDvorak let me step back, why is your user script trying to access websockets in the first place? They have a very specific purpose which is already in those pages — Nick Craver ♦ 5 mins ago

11:04 AM

I'm composing a reply

:)

Well, as long as what you're doing doesn't put extra load on the server, can't see any real reason Nick will object.

@MarcinOrlowski There is no need to write your custom message to close this question because it is already comes in this category This question appears to be off-topic because it lacks sufficient information to diagnose the problem. — TGMCians 2 mins ago

Upvoted

Yeah

@TGMCians it's not his own reason, I guess he did not agree with the decision to remove that reason so he keeps using it on his own. Legal, but smelly. I say let him, if that's what makes him feel good and keep closing what needs to be closed.

11:14 AM

Problem is that if that becomes the majority choice (afaik) the close reason becomes a generic one without clear and specific information.

@Bart true, and then we should ask the team for help e.g. black listing such comments same way "What have you tried" is banned.

But as long it's only few, the impact isn't big enough to make a change

Here is said userscript: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/193646. I chose websockets over scraping the page for variety of reasons. One is that I thought it would hold more information than the page (say, a longer snippet). The other was of performance: MutationObservers were not well supported in web browsers back then, nor were mutation events (they also killed performance. the the MO support is better now, but I don't want to rewrite this part just because I can), and polling the page for changes felt conceptuallly wrong. Also related: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/218343 — Jan Dvorak 11 secs ago

feedback?

@JanDvorak well said, I hope you didn't open a Pandora box :)

Meh, I think Nick's comment is more out of curiosity rather than to indicate any problem.

if he dismantles the dam I've built over the village he has helped build, well, let the flood come.

@Bart I certainly hope so

11:19 AM

It's obvious to us now that there is some spam fighting going on by the community. But if you just implemented the site, you might not have thought of that application.

@JanDvorak I drowned in the depths of this... you mean if he'll ask us not to use the websockets to detect spam, let the spam remain unreported? :)

@ShadowWizard yep. If I can't, I won't.

He'll join Baba then @ShadowWizard.

@JanDvorak fair enough, and poor Smoke Detector will also go down I guess

@JanDvorak we have greatly improved the spam blocking since then, and are about to do another round of improvements, is this an issue anymore? Obviously from my side you can see the concern: I want to fix spam appearing for all users rather than fix a script made to hide it for a few. — Nick Craver ♦ 43 secs ago

11:21 AM

@LaszloPapp it is indeed time to ask Santa to give him a Qt/OpenGL for Dummies edition this Christmas

1:20 PM

@Doorknob, I know exactly what "help" means in this cummunity. "just trying to help", gee. Just trying to mob and act stupid. — davidkonrad 4 mins ago

Well, that escalated quickly.

@davidkonrad You realize that insulting the people who are volunteering their time to try to help you understand isn't the best strategy for getting an answer? Show me one specific comment that you think is "mobbing" or "stupid." — Doorknob 1 min ago

@davidkonrad I've added my downvote just for your attitude in the comments (on the answer below). Others may have downvoted because they disagree with your statement - that's how votes on meta work. — Doorknob 48 secs ago

1:37 PM

@Doorknob I don't agree with all the comments left by David but voting as a kind of punishment? You don't need that.

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@rene Really, you wouldn't downvote a rant or a post full of insults?

I would downvote based on the post, not on the behaviour of the OP, that is all.

The comments are kind of part of the post, I guess, but meh

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/3529738/website-availability-api

@rene Sometimes behavior indicates the way in which the original post was meant. I mean if someone comes to meta and makes a post which is all "why did this happen?" and then all the comments are "It SHOULD not have HAPPENED. You're morons!" then it reveals what the original post actually meant to state. I'm not going to edit the post to make it reflect that the OP actually meant but I'm going to read it in that light and vote accordingly.

As I see it, it is not "punishment". I'm just voting in the same way as if the OP had put their entire thought in their post in the first place.

1:53 PM

I agree with that. Leaving comment though that addresses the behaviour of the OP as a reason for a downvote feels wrong for me. Leaving a comment like 'reading the post and all your comments justifies a downvote' or something like that....

@rene: Santa is far, maybe the easter bunny ? :)

@Louis Maybe the language barrier is a problem here for me....

@rene In what way is the language barrier a problem? (I'm confused.)

for me it maybe is?

I see. It's too bad I don't speak Dutch. :)

1:58 PM

Dijkstra was also Dutch, right?

Yep

@Doorknob I agree with @rene on this one, we should not downvote a question just because the OP insulted us in comments. That's NOT the purpose of downvotes. If the insults are in the question/answer itself then we should edit them out. In comments, flag and move on.

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icecream?

There is a saying too "smart person won't get himself into a trouble that intelligent person can solve" so sometimes better be smart and not be lured into a fight. :)

@rene think we need a beer (or coffee!) when we agree, icecream is reserved when we disagree :D

I am getting downvoted because I constantly "insult" others with technical feedback and downvotes. Only a very few keep improving their posts, and get +1 from me after that. It is mostly up to them. Anyway, this is implicitly encouraged by the Stack Overflow policies.

2:03 PM

@ShadowWizard I settle for a coffee, although it is great weather here for a beer....

@rene instant coffee, with milk, two sugar then. Cheers!

woohoo more Indian Hacker Team :D :D :D meta.stackoverflow.com/q/229332/180276

Instant coffee? Have you no standards Sir?

Q: Meta is randomly down in Holland (Roosendaal)

Please downvote, vote to close, then delete

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It's about 2 weeks that StackOverflow goes down and can't access it consistently. Are you aware and working on this? Thanks, Ron Van Wegenstraat

support

(see the spoiler in there)

@ShadowWizard ha. I beat you

:P

Don't comment - that just encourages them

2:05 PM

@Doorknob not fair, you're younger thus faster instincts :(

Heh >:D

Actually you're about 1/3 my age ;-)

I'm a modern doorknob with all the latest technology! Complete even with voice unlock!

don't worry, we have learned your blank message secret code you use on chat :) — user258600 36 secs ago

@ShadowWizard ewww, you're soooo old

haha what?

2:06 PM

@Doorknob -1, too easy to hack!

@Bart but not bold!

@random Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant!

> You already are mods – random♦ 50 secs ago

They should just get a diamond their usernames, just to confuse them.

@Bart that would be hillarious

And fake moderator powers, like the Unicoins powers

Just give them tons of flags to handle

Lol, yeah, give them only the mod queue and say "What? You thought mods had more powers?"

2:10 PM

@Bart indeed, this would keep him (think it's a single teenager so far) silent for a while :D

> You must handle at least 128 flags per day in order to remain a moderator.

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Is this profile picture offensive? Or is it a common gesture in Asia?

Probably both.

michaelb958

Nothing good can come of that account.

Sometimes I think I should reframe my profile picture because people who look at it quickly might think erroneously that it is my middle finger which is up in the air.

2:20 PM

It isn't?

michaelb958

> BlogMaster of Infographic BLÓG, League of Legends.
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@rene no, not offensive in my opinion.

It's just a drawing, and in some places that's a common gesture as far as I know.

OK, we have to wait and see the high quality contributions that user is about to post

@rene probably spam(ish) but let's give him the benefit of the doubt :)

OK...

A: jTextField font is devanagri but after getText it gives me a plain text

2:24 PM

Review is slow for the third time today, my theory it's a per-user cache is busted :(

oh my.

-1

Watch this video. Hope so this may help you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGQAg6nRvWc

cv meta.stackoverflow.com/q/229333/180276

2:39 PM

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/23044052/…

typo