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animuson

00:00

I ordered pizza. (:

Undo

Stop it!

):<

Ohai @hichris123!

hichris123

Hi people!

Undo

@hichris123 I got my hands on the iOS app :D

hichris123

Yay!

Anything else important?

Undo

Uhmm... let's see...

There's a guy on Meta claiming he's Jeff Atwood.

hichris123

00:04

Me sees... reads transcript

michaelb958

@Szabolcs Only on that site. Trust me, I've done it.

hichris123

@Undo I'm going to have to find a network connections Android thingy... :P

Undo

@hichris123 Remember: iOS > Android :D

hichris123

WRONG!!!

Undo

But... Xcode comes with a network thing!

hichris123

00:10

developer.android.com/tools/debugging/ddms.html#network

Aha!

Aww... doesn't do as much as I want it to...

Undo

>:D

hichris123

opens Eclipse

Undo

Good luck getting out of there alive.

hichris123

@Undo It's not the same as the Emulator... :P

animuson

I don't understand why this guy is making such a big deal of a couple self-deleted comments...

hichris123

00:14

@animuson ?

Undo

-6

Q: Is it OK a "trusted user" deletes comments not to look like stupid?

There was, or was, a discussion on this question : How do I make all rows (arrays) include the same set of keys? A "Jon", certainly over my league, suggested another approach, in comments. But this approach was false. I corrected him, and then he responded : <answer>;;;;;;; I was curious, an...

animuson

Wait, wth? Since when does editing dismiss a VLQ flag as helpful???

hichris123

It should be disputed...

@Undo Okay then...

animuson

It got marked as helpful... Lol

And left the "invalid flags" flag pending, even though there was now not a flag corresponding to it.

Undo

is proud of his courageous little invalid flags flag.

Wait, so... if I made something that would make a little minor edit to every post on SO, I would mark every VLQ flag as helpful?

>:D

animuson

00:20

Apparently.

michaelb958

@Undo Problems: (1) rate limits (2) mass bumps (3) angry moderators.

animuson

That makes no sense, because an edit is meant to say "I've improved it so the VLQ flag is no longer valid" - yet it gets dismissed as helpful, which also causes an implicit downvote on the post per VLQ flag...

Like "hey I improved it but you get downvote anyways"

Undo

00:42

@michaelb958 Angry moderators? That's not a problem, that's a feature!

animuson

You still miss the point. Jon deleted my comments!!!! — davidkonrad 1 min ago

Lol... Just... Lol...

Undo

rofl

hichris123

Yeah... :P

@davidkonrad It says on the screenshot she posted... — hichris123 16 secs ago

Do people ever learn?

Undo

@hichris123 They learn some things. But almost never the things you want them to learn.

hichris123

Gee. Give me a break. I awaited Jon's answer. So it was a surprise to me to see the comments were gone. And thats why I was asking the previous question. So, there IS a serious break. — davidkonrad 52 secs ago

What?

@Undo Heh. True.

animuson

00:48

> Listen to me! I'm right because I'm waving my hands in the air like a crazy man!

hichris123

Basically. :)

michaelb958

Gah, my connection died.

Undo

> Everyone panic! A high rep user can delete comments, because looky! Oh the mod view must be wrong, because I didn't delete mine!!! WHERE'S MY BEER?!? WHO HID IT?

hichris123

Why didn't I get popcorn earlier?

gets popcorn

Undo

gets popcorn at a discount

hichris123

00:50

@Undo From whom?

Undo

@hichris123 Discount means I stole it from you.

You are now without popcorn.

hichris123

So "discount".

Wow, thanks. :P

Undo

You're welcome!

animuson

A 100% discount is still a discount.

Undo

@hichris123 You should be happy I didn't buy it from you at a 105% discount, which would mean I steal your popcorn and some of your money.

@AndrewBarber, why should I? I was curious about why Jon was answering as he did. Maybe there was something to learn. — davidkonrad 32 secs ago

hichris123

00:52

@Undo No no no. It's not stealing. It's "borrowing" or "getting at a discount".

Undo

Ah yes.

Uhmm...

hichris123

@Undo Um... it says you deleted it.

And your like why should I have?

Undo

My neighbor is outside in the 32-degree weather with a garden hose washing his bicycle.

animuson

doesn't want to learn about OpenID implementation

hichris123

I don't know why you deleted your comment, but you did. At this point... not sure if language barrier or troll. — Anna Lear 35 secs ago

animuson

00:54

@Undo Maybe he wants a bicicle.

hichris123

Good one. :P

Undo

I swear he's washing the individual spokes :P

hichris123

I am not a troll. Do you save IP-adresses? — davidkonrad 27 secs ago

Huh?

animuson

Maybe he thinks we have a "Known Troll IP Blacklist" or something...

Undo

He's made a nice big puddle right on the sidewalk, presumably so that it can freeze tonight and become fun for pedestrians.

hichris123

00:55

It's probably hidden in the milk menu.

@Undo You haven't seen how cold it is when it's negative out. :P

Undo

I have. But not often.

hichris123

I've seen it too much this year...

Undo

I'm more concerned about remembering where that puddle is, because it's my turn to walk the dog tomorrow.

animuson

@Undo Report him to code enforcement?

Undo

He's... walking up and down the sidewalk, evenly coating it with water.

@animuson I'm 14. Remember?

animuson

00:58

So? There's not an age restriction on reporting violations.

Undo

I suppose...

I don't feel like it right now.

No reason to cause trouble.

And anyway, this might be funny.

animuson

It does kind of require that you live inside a city, and one that actually has ordinances against ice on sidewalks.

Omaha has laws about it, but they don't ever enforce them.

Undo

@animuson Oooh, we had freezing rain a few weeks ago and it left a perfect layer of ice on everything. Does that mean I could report the sky for a violation?

hichris123

Hmm... I wonder if that would be a code violation here...

animuson

@Undo Most cities have ordinances that require property owners to clear sidewalks of snow and ice within 24 or 48 hours of precipitation.

hichris123

01:02

@animuson I have a question for you to delete which has a deleted dupe. :P stackoverflow.com/questions/3482691/php-book-recommendation

Undo

@animuson But what if the neigher causes the precipitation?

Can he clear it after 48 hours then spray it again?

animuson

Well, technically it's been more than 48 hours since the last precipitation. Whether he put it there himself or not isn't exactly relevant.

Undo

I suppose :P

animuson

I doubt the code enforcement officer is going to give a crap he did it himself, or even ask.

Someone explain everything i need to know about OpenId. Kgo.

Undo

@animuson it works, mostly.

There

hichris123

01:09

@animuson Couldn't you use OAuth?

Undo

@animuson Everything You Need To Know About OpenId: Use OAuth.

hichris123

01:22

Well, there went those two rant questions...

Undo

Yup, they are 100% gone.

Uhmm... he hasn't given up :P

-2

Q: Chicken, bad habit - so what are my IP-address for those comments I supposedly should have deleted?

You ran away again. Proof it. I have a range of IP-adresses I use at the university to different things. And I have a range of IP-adresses I use privately to other things. Prove me wrong.

discussion

michaelb958

Well, here's another.

Darn it @Undo, beat me by seconds...

Undo

>:D

michaelb958

And there it went.

hichris123

Already self-deleted.

Undo

01:25

self-deleted

hichris123

Darn it, now you beat me @michaelb958.

Undo

Oddd...

michaelb958

@hichris123 Now you beat Undo on the next one.

Undo

opens realtime tab

hichris123

opens up meta.stackoverflow.com/questions

Undeleted!

-5

Q: Chicken, bad habit - so what are my IP-address for those comments I supposedly should have deleted?

You ran away again. Proof it. I have a range of IP-adresses I use at the university to different things. And I have a range of IP-adresses I use privately to other things. Prove me wrong.

discussion

Already mod-deleted. :P

Undo

01:29

animuson thumped it.

hichris123

Yayz!

michaelb958

@hichris123 You beat Undo. The cycle is complete.

hichris123

@michaelb958 Um... you beat me, Undo beat you, I beat Undo... did I beat you?

animuson

And the OP is beating the dead horse.

Undo

OPs can't undelete after a severe mod-hammering, right?

michaelb958

01:33

@hichris123 You beat me, and I beat you. Stack overflow!!!

hichris123

:D

animuson

01:44

This is what happens when I'm bored.

hichris123

@animuson That's your website, right?

animuson

Yeah.

hichris123

reminds self not to use Animuson's website...

@Undo Find out anything new from iOS app?

Undo

02:04

@animuson Plz give me diamond on your website :D

hichris123

plzsendmetehdiamondz

animuson

02:18

Nevar!

hichris123

@animuson Plz?

hichris123

03:22

-1

Q: Impossible to post this question on your website. I keep getting flagged saying my post contains codes

This little code works locally but does not work on a webpage when uploaded. Can anyone figure out what is wrong. <title> Line Color Changing</title> <script src="http://ajax.googleapis.com/ajax/libs/jquery/1.9.1/jquery.min.js"> </script> <script> $(document).ready(functio...

support

Um... what?

It's supposed to have code.

michaelb958

The problem is he needs to add four spaces before each code line.

michaelb958

04:22

Meta just told me my comment wasn't submitted because error. When I tried again, it appeared twice. Obviously the error popup lies over crap connections.

animuson

@michaelb958 Your last chat message wasn't submitted because of an error.

michaelb958

@animuson Can't fool me, I'm afraid. I see enough errors to tell the real from the fake.

animuson

04:40

resists urge to just delete those piles of crap so people don't complain about deleting questions in active Meta discussions

Dennis Meng

05:30

Just got a bunch of link only answers in the low quality queue again

did undo do his cleaning again?

Undo

waves

@DennisMeng yes, but I only chewed through half my flags before I got tired and decided to take a break.

Dennis Meng

part of me wonders if i don't flag enough

Undo

I'm not sure it's a good thing to be the first person to come to people's minds when the low-quality queue jumps :P

Dennis Meng

looking at the moderator candidates' vote counts make me feel inadequate

Undo

note to future self: stackoverflow.com/users/2499943/charles-Stevens has a spotty suggestion record.

Dennis Meng

05:36

@Undo well, was it your doing?

Undo

@DennisMeng you can never flag enough. We must flag until all the link-only answers and obsolete comments and please-accept comments and bad questions are gone.

@DennisMeng yes. I just ten minutes ago did a mass-VLQ flagging.

Dennis Meng

that actually got me my only disputed flags

Undo

Yeah, some LQP reviewers apparently don't know that LLA is bad.

Dennis Meng

bbl

Undo

Cya, I'm going to bed. The LQP queue will jump when I wake up.

Flyk

08:37

morning

rene

morning

SPArchaeologist

08:54

morning

-1

Q: Why should I use blade tempating for Laravel?

What I fail to understand is that, why should I use Blade templating language instead of standard php in Laravel 4. What I could see was that it just substitutes, {{}} for <?php ?> Am I wrong? Wont there be more delay in using using a template when all the {{}} tags would have to be retransfor...

discussion

attack!

michaelb958

Evening.

Jeroen Vannevel

09:54

stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/4012831

Am I missing something?

Why did 3 experienced reviewers approve a code markup removal?

He suggested 3 edits on that answer. The first being the one that actually (validly) added that markup).. stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/4012724

Bart

"undo changes i had done to this post" @JeroenVannevel

Jeroen Vannevel

Oh.

The changes were valid, wouldn't a rollback be appropriate? Why would someone remove that?

Bart

Who knows. Perhaps he got worried about making those changes.

SPArchaeologist

10:12

wondering. In this question about facebook

580

Q: How does Facebook disable browser's integrated Developer Tools?

So apparently because of the recent scams, the developer tools is exploited by people to post spams and even used to "hack" accounts. Facebook has blocked the developer tools and I can't even use the console. How did they do that?? One StackOverflow post claimed that it is not possible, but Fa...

javascript facebook developer-tools

one user commented "Also, mdn does something a lot cooler with the dragon :D "

anyone care to explain what he was referencing to?

don't really want to add noise to the question by asking there

Jeroen Vannevel

developer.mozilla.org/nl

It's the Mozilla Developer Network

There's a dragon if you look at the dev console

Manishearth

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: MYSQL QUERY SHOW COLUMNS LIMIT on stackoverflow.com

SPArchaeologist

@JeroenVannevel nice. My brain interpolated mdn==m s dn, so I didn't quite get it. Thanks for the info

Jeroen Vannevel

Yeah, I had to google it too when I saw it. Made the MSDN connection as well

Finally 100 flags daily!

Not that I ever reach it, but still

Manishearth

10:49

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: HIVE INSERT OVERWRITE LOCAL DIRECTORY LAUNCHING MAP REDUCE JOBS FOR SIMPLE QUERY on stackoverflow.com

rene

@3ventic tnx for the edit :-) approved!

3ventic

np

michaelb958

12:39

There seems to have been a significant wave of programming questions.

And here's another.

Flyk

@JeroenVannevel I've used all 100 flags 3 times in the year I've had 100 flags

Manishearth

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: EXTERNAL TABLE FETCHING ZERO RESULT THROUGH PRESTO on stackoverflow.com

Manishearth

13:26

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: SUBEXPONENTIAL TIME PARITY GAME on cs.stackexchange.com

Manishearth

13:54

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: IOS WEB SERVICE JSON XML MYSQL PHP on pt.stackoverflow.com

Stijn

15:26

I wanted to give a bounty to an existing answer. The bounty's set, but now it's telling me to wait 23 hours, why?

Raghav Sood

Just in case someone wants to provide an even better answer

Bounties are meant to draw attention to the question, or in this case, the exemplary answer

That won't happen if it's instantly rewarded.

The 24 hour minimum means that it'll be on the featured page, and get more views

Bounties reward with reputation and more attention

Stijn

@RaghavSood OK, thanks.

It looks a bit silly now though, with my reason "Here's an extra 50 for saving my ass."

Undo

15:43

Flyk is awesome ;)

in Software Recommendations on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 46 secs ago, by kalina

and if you are actually being treated unfairly, I will make a lot of noise until people focus on treating me unfairly instead of you

2

ProgramFOX

16:58

This is strange: I have approved 400 edits, rejected 620, but the badge process says that I have reviewed 1053 edits. Why is that?

animuson

@ProgramFOX You improved some, which are not included in either of those counts.

ProgramFOX

OK, thanks!

Flyk

17:21

@Undo I know, thanks :P

you should totally suggest me as a temp mod

anyway

today is my birthday and therefore I'm obliged to go and make a mess out of myself

Undo

18:13

@TimPost Who do I poke to suggest a sponsorship opportunity?

animuson

):

Undo

@animuson Think about it this way: There are 1497 chances to save a post from an unjust end!

Anyway, for community review, I'd like to suggest boisecodecamp.com for sponsorship. I'm going to be there, and I can do whatever SE asks.

animuson

Hop up and down on one foot.

LowerClassOverflowian

@Undo Will you still do it if you don't make mod?

Undo

@LowerClassOverflowian Uhmm... yes.

I don't expect a diamond on SO, and I don't really want a diamond on SR.

@animuson migrate plz

LowerClassOverflowian

18:30

@Undo What is SR? Do you mean SE?

Or meta?

Undo

LowerClassOverflowian

@Undo To be honest, you have a great chance of getting some of my vote since you have a good upvote/downvote ratio.

Undo

Thanks ;)

Undo

18:46

Oooh my dad just gave me a new bluetooth headset thingy :D

plantronics.com/us/product/savi-700

^ One of those :D

rene

Cool!

Undo

It has a little base thing and you can connect it to your computer and landline and cell phone at the same time.

Not sure what happens if all of those things try to make sound at the same time.

rene

300% connected

animuson

Oh, I lost the ability to flag on SR. Lol

Undo

rofl

I've been banging my head on this one for the past hour:

0

Q: Why is getMetricStatistics in the iOS AWS SDK not returning any data?

I'm trying to get CPU statistics for an EC2 instance using the AWS iOS SDK: dispatch_async(dispatch_queue_create("cloudwatch stats fetch", NULL), ^{ AmazonCloudWatchClient *cloudwatch = [[AmazonCloudWatchClient alloc] initWithAccessKey:[ESCredentialsManager accessKey] withSecretKey:[ESCreden...

ios amazon-web-services amazon-ec2 amazon-cloudwatch

Bart

19:02

Now I want cheesecake

Undo

MMMMM CHEESECAKE!

3ventic

SteamOS time http://t.co/0AFTS9kyaR

Tweeted by 3ventic on February 14, 2014 at 6:57 PM

Yay for operating system installations..

Jeroen Vannevel

19:21

I have flagged two posts as 'invalid flags', both posts were deleted and both counted as 'helpful' instead of disputed

you can't explain that

Undo

@JeroenVannevel From the NAA flags at Meta yesterday? I got the same thing.

Jeroen Vannevel

@Undo No, NAA on SO earlier today

Undo

Oh

Jeroen Vannevel

stackoverflow.com/a/21731028/1864167

stackoverflow.com/a/21742721/1864167

animuson

@Jeroen It's a long-standing bug. If a moderator just deletes the post, it still marks everything as helpful. It only marks everything as disputed if they select no further action, whether they choose helpful or declined.

Jeroen Vannevel

19:22

Both questions really look just fine to me though

@animuson Oh. Well I guess you could explain it after all then

Can you tell me why they were deleted though? These seem like perfectly reasonable answers

Undo

sigh

Undo, posting off-topic questions on meta is a surefire way to sink your results in the upcoming mod election. — mikeTheLiar 1 min ago

It's borderline :P

Undo

19:37

Oh, it was a joke :D

Yay!

rene

20:26

I got this in the CV queue. I rolledback to a revision that makes sense given the answers. I voted to close. anyone who wants to follow that?

animuson

The EPS file of the Stack Exchange logo doesn't use the same colors as the one that's shown on the page. o.o

It's like a purplish blue color.

hichris123

Hiya people!

rene

20:41

Hello

hichris123

What's new?

flags one of @Undo's meta comments as obsolete

Undo

@hichris123 :D

Oh, @hichris123 is here :D

hichris123

Yep.

It's this one by the way @Undo:

@hichris123 Done. — Undo 16 hours ago

Undo

deleted ;)

hichris123

Another valid flag. :P

Amaterasu

20:51

hi

Undo

hi

Amaterasu

whats new?

Undo

Hmmm... I'm working on a shiny app.

And that's about it

GnomeSlice

Today's Listening

hichris123

@Undo Which one?

Undo

20:54

@hichris123 EC2 management app.

hichris123

@Undo That's why you had the SO question... :) What all will it do? And iOS only?

Hiya @Gnome!

Undo

@hichris123 Yeah, iPad only.

It's pretty much a native replacement for the EC2 console.

GnomeSlice

@hichris123 Ahoy. =]

hichris123

@Undo Android plz?

@GnomeSlice What's new?

GnomeSlice

@hichris123 Had a job interview today.

Undo

20:56

@hichris123 Uh-uh. Me no do Android.

At least not until someone comes up with an answer for the Android emulator SR question.

hichris123

@GnomeSlice What for?

@Undo Plz plz plz?

GnomeSlice

@hichris123 Print shop. They said it would mostly just be working the counter/cash in non-peak times

hichris123

@Gnome Ooh. Good luck. :D

GnomeSlice

Thanks!

Amaterasu

sorry to have interupted - have a great day and good luck with the app @Undo - am working on one myself

Undo

20:58

@Amaterasu Oooh. What's it gonna do?

hichris123

fires up Eclipse again

Undo

hopes hichris makes it out of eclipse

GnomeSlice

...Huh, when I do a chat reply my cursor starts at the far left now

like this :1827032

wtf

Undo

@GnomeSlice test

not for me

GnomeSlice

Yeah, it's only me...

Undo

21:01

status-norepro

GnomeSlice

If I relaunch chrome, the first reply works fine, and then all subsequent ones do it

hichris123

status-works-on-my-machine

Undo

status-its-raining-really-hard-here

hichris123

status-we-just-got-4-inches-of-snow-and-its-still-snowing

3ventic

status-barely-any-snow-this-winter-and-its-melting-atm

GnomeSlice

21:05

status-hello-my-chat-is-still-borked

Undo

taps at stubbornly unresponsive button in EC2 app

GnomeSlice

Maybe I have some stupid malware thing latched onto my chrome

3ventic

lol

Check shift+esc

rene

Maybe your locale support is now RTL?

GnomeSlice

@3ventic Hrm, doesn't look like it

rikgbyhsgrhsevfb

rene

21:09

shift+esc is start-self-destruct-sequence?

3ventic

shift+esc is chrome's task manager

GnomeSlice

what the hellllll

3ventic

What's wrong?

Undo

Collaborative editing can quickly become a textual rap battle fought with increasingly convoluted invocations of U+202a to U+202e.

3ventic

That's so ‮douchy

rene

21:10

:-)

3ventic

‮ I mean, seriously.

hichris123

@Undo I have a way to get the suggested edit table...

3ventic

I have a replacement script for ‮, ♦, and ಠ_ಠ and it's awesome.

Undo

@hichris123 Oh? Plz tell!

hichris123

@Undo Make many queries on SEDE and download them as CSV's.

Undo

21:12

Why not just one query?

hichris123

I'm just doing SELECT * FROM SuggestedEdits...

3ventic

too big?

Undo

ah

rene

SET ROWCOUNT 50000

hichris123

@Undo Limit 50,000. So I took animuson's method.

Undo

21:15

ah

3ventic

21:44

> Low answer quality score [-76]

Well that's low.

animuson

22:16

My friend pointed out that using SVG loses support for IE8 and below. Oh well.

IE8 and below users do not deserve to see my graphics if they cannot be rendered in full awesomeness.

hichris123

Whacha using SVG for @animuson?

Undo

23:12

@animuson IE8 and below users do not deserve... anything.

hichris123

Ooh... happy hour!

Undo

Yay!

The hour of happiness!

hichris123

I love you Google! :D

I just factory-reset my Nexus 7, and it kept all of my settings, all of my apps (even the ones that weren't up to date). :D

Undo

Uhmmm...

That's... not a factory reset.

Shog9

what good is a factory-reset if it doesn't destroy everything you hold dear?

3

hichris123

23:23

It backed it up to Google's servers @Undo.

@Shog9 Um... it makes it not bootloop? :P

Undo

Oh. You should have said that you offloaded all your private information to Google, then erased all of it from your control, then begged Google to give it back.

hichris123

Heh. Lemme look at my Google dashboard... :P

Shog9

@hichris123 so you think

hichris123

Well, it worked so far...

Shog9

(I've never had a factory reset actually fix a problem like that; it just goes away until I fall asleep)

hichris123

23:26

I didn't think it would either, I thought it would just destroy all of my data and then say no, I still don't like you.

Undo

3

hichris123

@Undo You want that menu. :P

Undo

I do?

hichris123

Yeah...

hichris123

23:40

@Undo What happens to VLQ flagged answers?

Undo

@hichris123 Eventually they end up in the LQP queue.

Where an uneducated reviewer clicks 'looks good' and your flag is marked disputed.

hichris123

Yeah... that made me stop VLQ flagging link-only's...

It's almost better just to other flag it... but then it puts it on mods.

@Undo So after the official SE iOS app comes out of alpha/beta, what are you going to do with Stackboard?

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