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8:07 AM

@jmac Thanks! It's something that is extremely interesting to me, and will be for quite a while. I've done quite a bit of research but from the outside that is extremely difficult.

rene

Is this feature in build 2014.1.14.1849 (or in other words, is this deployed yet?)

Flyk

29

Q: Can trusted users be trusted to suggest tag synonyms without a score of 5 in a tag? (on smaller sites, not Stack Overflow)

This has been asked before but I feel the original question was more focussed on Stack Overflow than the Stack Exchange network at large. Related: Can we allow 7.5K users to suggest tag synonyms without a score of 5 in the tag? Since there are now a lot of sites in the network and many of the...

Duncan

@Flyk Do you have something to say about your question or are you just fishing for up-votes? :-)

Laszlo Papp

8:25 AM

Can some please advise whether or not it is an answer? stackoverflow.com/questions/21098148/…

rene

looking at it...

Duncan

@LaszloPapp IMO, it's an answer. But an extremely poor one.

Laszlo Papp

yeah, that is why I am in trouble.

I am thinking of invalidating the flags on it, and edit it.

Duncan

It seems a repost of an earlier, much up-voted comment: stackoverflow.com/questions/21098148/…

Laszlo Papp

Yes, but that is IMO fine if it turns out useful which I cannot judge.

rene

8:27 AM

I would only downvote.

Duncan

@LaszloPapp Yes, I agree.

(My comment was more of an FYI)

Laszlo Papp

since the comment is upvoted, I will edit and invalidate the flags, I think.

Duncan

I've removed my down-vote, -4 seems a little harsh. It's a new user, hopefully they'll edit.

jmac

@TimPost Even from the inside it's tough. The hierarchical way that organizations work mean that very few people see what's going on at the various levels, and that means that identifying roadblocks can be near impossible for lots of organizations. In that respect, long-term foreigners tend to get a unique perspective because the skills that we have are needed at various roles in the organization, so we associate with a lot more different people than most.

Laszlo Papp

ok

btw, if I mark a flag as invalid, will it appear as disputed in my flagging history?

rene

8:32 AM

Yes

No

3ventic

Maybe

rene

depends on the descion of the mod handling the flag

Laszlo Papp

I see a few disputed flags appearing in my history (5)

and I marked a few flags invalid, so probably the moderators disagreed?

ThiefMaster

I think once a flag was marked as invalid it will show up as disputed for everyone

Flyk

@Duncan damn, you got me

rene

8:33 AM

I have 147 (over 1300 helpfull)

Flyk

one more upvote and I have >3k rep on mso!

ThiefMaster

(remember, we can only handle all flags on a post at once, so either all of them are valid or all are invalid, so iirc. that's why it will be disputed for eversone in that case)

Flyk

cough

splutter

rene

@Flyk I already upvoted that but you gained another view on it...

Laszlo Papp

@ThiefMaster: yeah, but wouldn't it be declined instead of disputed if a moderator decline it?

3ventic

8:35 AM

feature-request rep from views

ThiefMaster

Why? We cannot decline just your "invalid" flag or just the other flag!

Flyk

now I just need to find the button that turns views into rep

and then I will have over a MILLION REPS on Arqade

ThiefMaster

So we always have two flags where one is valid and one isn't. Something the current flag UI does not support.

Flyk

@ThiefMaster if only there was a site where you could voice your concerns and possibly get them fixed...

ThiefMaster

A better system is already in the making and I think there's a meta post about exactly that thing, too ;)

Laszlo Papp

8:37 AM

@ThiefMaster: no, I mean declining the answer (i.e. removal)

Flyk

apparently there is a big change coming to something on Stack Exchange in 6 days

what is it?

Laszlo Papp

-1

A: Interpreting powers in perl using regex

I would just use the split function (split /:/) here.

for instance, this became disputed in my flagging history.

I marked it as invalid.

Flyk

the disputed flag counter is literally the most useless statistic on Stack Exchange

Laszlo Papp

well, it is good to know what happened, but I am not sure why it is there instead of the final moderator decision stats.

Duncan

135

Q: What is a disputed flag?

In my flagging summary under the statistics, there is 1 flag listed as "disputed". This is the first time I've ever seen a disputed flag in my summary, so I'm just curious, what is a disputed flag? How would you even dispute a flag? Is this the same as voting a flag as invalid? Return to FAQ in...

support faq flags 10k-tools disputed-flags

Laszlo Papp

8:41 AM

any reason for not removing it?

@Duncan: yeah, I read that before. I will double check again.

Duncan

It's a slightly confusing read because it correctly refers to the 10k tools as "access to moderator tools", which makes you think about real moderators if you scan read it.

Laszlo Papp

OK. So 10K+ users need to see the orange notification on the left of the review text in the toolbar all the time since it is never close enough to zero lately?

rene

@LaszloPapp I think I've seen it only be 0 once early this month...

Laszlo Papp

after a moderator weekend party? :D

rene

I remember seen a chat message here by one of the mods

Laszlo Papp

8:47 AM

maybe more mods are needed?

and or a better workflow?

rene

Only when the flag queue becomes like the close vote queue

and not before we have a zillion questions/rants about it on meta

Laszlo Papp

does the 10K+ users work really help the moderators other than boundary decisions?

Flyk

depends on the activity of your mods

deletes cast against stuff on arqade is usually split about 50/50 between our users and mods

Duncan

@LaszloPapp Check this interesting meta post: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/215676/…

Flyk

the 10k mod tools need a redesign tbh

Duncan

8:54 AM

That made me realise some of the things 10k users can do which is actually a waste of time.

Laszlo Papp

@Flyk: hmm, yeah, I was vague, I think. I meant the flags, not delete/close.

Flyk

ugliest part of the site

Duncan

The lack of a delete queue is criminal.

Every now and then I think "Right, I'm going to delete some stuff." Then I end up giving up on the awful interface and moving on.

Laszlo Papp

"Options 4 and 5 are waaay overrated." -> LOL

Flyk

@Duncan totally this

Laszlo Papp

8:55 AM

@Duncan: that is my first impression, too. It took me a short while to figure out the colors, and what I can do, and what not. :)

Flyk

definitely a missed opportunity that one

potentially the same with undeletes, and I don't see a reason why they couldn't implement flags as a review queue either

Tim Post

@jmac Just curious, how long have you been there?

Laszlo Papp

@Duncan: I am not sure I am helpful if I mark a trivially NAA as NAA

what do I help with? A moderator would have the same realization in the first place, and I believe moderators do not act blindly. They still evaluate the post. For decisions where it is 50-50% like above (or maybe a bit more different), it can be helpful to support the majority.

Flyk

are you sure? :p

Duncan

@LaszloPapp If you are browsing questions "in the wild" and flag a valid NAA, that is helpful.

But browsing the list of flagged questions in the 10k tools and re-flagging NAA's that you agree with, doesn't apparently help much.

Laszlo Papp

8:58 AM

@Duncan: yes, but I am talking about already flagged that I see in the moderation tools.

Right.

Flyk

@Duncan maybe, maybe not

Duncan

Better is to browse the 10k flag list and see if there are things you can help with. e.g. look for "Duplicate answer (auto)" flags and see if the questions should be voted to close as duplicates.

Laszlo Papp

I can waste hours with them, but do I help with in the end? The moderator will still do the same as I did, so we just duplicated the effort.

Flyk

if I see something in the 10k tools that has 9 NAA flags, I will go downvote it and cast a delete vote

Laszlo Papp

Flyk: without reading, really? What if the answer was improved, etc? I would personally still think that I would need to read the post anyway (as a moderator).

Flyk

9:00 AM

@LaszloPapp then at the point I go to downvote it, I see the edit notification, check to see what is going on, etc

if you really want me to be super verbose when telling you how I do things PREPARE FOR EACH SENTENCE TO BE A PARAGRAPH

!

Laszlo Papp

I only see it useful to deal with uncertain posts as a 10K+ user currently. Trivial stuff is already done by 10K- users.

IMO whether it is 5 NAA flag or 15, does not weight much more for the decision. IMO, even 5 does not weight much if it is clearly NAA and a moderator would read it anyhow. :-)

"In addition, flagged comments and spam/offensive flags are not visible to you."

hmm, that is interesting. I was told a few times when asking about my comment flags that they would go through the 10K+ users first.

Jan Dvorak

@LaszloPapp they accumulate and autotrigger, but they are not shown

Chat flags are shown to everyone above 10k

Laszlo Papp

what do you mean by "they"?

never dealt with chat flags. :D

Jan Dvorak

9:23 AM

@LaszloPapp they = comment flags

(more specifically, spam/offensive flags on both comments and posts)

Laszlo Papp

yeah, that is what the privilege page says, too. Not sure why people told me it would be otherwise. It was probably some miscommunication.

so do the SE employees plan to implement delete/undelete/flag queues?

3ventic

is there a need for them?

Laszlo Papp

based on the opinion from several 10K+ users above (plus mine), definitely.

Duncan

62

Q: Can we get some more review queues - questions with delete votes, recently closed etc.?

The new /review queues are great, but there are some other lists on the /tools pages that could do with the same treatment. Recently closed questions Questions with reopen votes Recently reopened questions These would be useful to find those questions that need improvement to be reopened or h...

feature-request review

3ventic

I'll need to bump my rep above 10k before I can give a proper opinion about

Laszlo Papp

9:29 AM

that is a must have before commenting on it, yes. :)

3ventic

Last 500 rep left

Flyk

I will exchange a 500 rep bounty on Arqade for a 500 rep bounty on MSO

3ventic

lol

Flyk

FINAL OFFER

3ventic

I'm pretty sure mods wouldn't approve

jmac

9:33 AM

@Tim, 10+ years.

user202362

I am exchanging +300 reps here with 3 pictures of your cat in my funny cat app (android version)

Flyk

@3ventic they'll never know

cross site moderation is a pain in the ass, they'll lose track of it

Laszlo Papp

@Duncan: right, so there were no objections, no progress either for the aforementioned queues. Sounds like a bounty material?

Duncan

@LaszloPapp Possibly. I'm not sure how often that actually results in anything happening. Looks like it already attracted at least one bounty.

Laszlo Papp

that is just poor 100

I was considering 500 or 1000.

(or even more since it is a must have IMO)

Duncan

9:35 AM

The problem is, the question I linked to is very broad and requests a lot of new functionality.

I'd be happy with just a new delete queue. But if I were to suggest that, it would be a duplicate of the other question.

3ventic

SE could share their development plans a bit more...

Laszlo Papp

@Duncan: I do not think it is that broad. With a good software architecture and design, these are similar to each other, and the main difference is their type.

rene

I tend to rollback to revision 2 and vtc-ed but also being amazed how much users edit that question where I don't see much improvement

Laszlo Papp

@rene: in the qt tag, there is a guy editing almost every upcoming question (under 2K), and frankly, all the edits I have seen, were very minor improvements.

Duncan

@LaszloPapp True. But it's a question that requests X, Y and Z, but a lot of people would be happy if only X were implemented.

Laszlo Papp

9:47 AM

@Duncan: if you implement X (90% of the work), the rest comes almost for free IMHO.

provided that the software is good enough.

since the logic is the same and only parameters differ (mostly).

One further problem with the current system on top of the existing thread discussions, I cannot filter. :(

Duncan

Hopefully most of the work is already done - there are structures for question queues etc already. That's what's frustrating about the fact it hasn't been done.

Laszlo Papp

well, one could say it would clutter less visited subsites, but then we could say, they could have different rep levels. So rare stuff would not clutter their review queue view.

@3ventic: mayhaps? Feel free to open a thread on meta.

but now I understand why some of my feature requests and/or bugfixes were downvoted so heavily.... :) Because there are much bigger issues....

(not sure useful FR and bugfixes would need to be downvoted so heavily though, but yes, I can see where it comes from)

rene

pffff

To any upcoming visitors that want to edit this question. I just rolled it back to version 2. Leave it. — rene 1 min ago

Laszlo Papp

:-)

Duncan

@rene Wow, that list of edits is a horror show.

Particularly this one: stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/3811268

2

(Glad to see you rejected that one)

Flyk

10:00 AM

YAYNOWICANCLOSEALLTHETHINGS

Duncan

@Flyk Meta is a frustrating place to have 3k rep. Everything gets closed in about 30s and the queues are empty.

Flyk

10:14 AM

not as quickly as your first posts queue

Jan Dvorak

10:31 AM

What if I start using a custom "this question appears to be offtopic because it requests a solution, not explanation" close reason for gimmeregexes and other clear non-broad homeworklike dumps? — Jan Dvorak 1 min ago

@JanDvorak: I think that works — Lightness Races in Orbit 25 secs ago

Flyk

10:56 AM

You can perform this action again in 19 seconds - retry / cancel

Bart

Retry! Retry it now!

Flyk

chat is getting in the way of my uber activity

3ventic

Ads are paid for

Oded

11:13 AM

New login/signup pages are live on Meta

Bart

Looking rather minimalist, doesn't it?

Oded

Aye

Duncan

Love it: stackoverflow.com/questions/21135766/…. "There is no error in the coding".

Flyk

I could check them

but I don't want to sign out

Duncan

(Note: I'm about to edit that question)

Bart

11:21 AM

@Flyk anonymous tab?

Flyk

I clicked log out

Bart

@Duncan happens to me all the time.

Flyk

broke all my chat windows

I HATE YOU ALL

throws cake at @Oded

Bart

Oooh cake. Throw it at me!!

Flyk

@Oded it looks a bit one sided tbh, I don't like it

3ventic

11:22 AM

Flyk

@3ventic use imgur like everybody else

sheesh

3ventic

no, they delete my old images

besides, what's wrong with my dedi?

Oded

@Flyk how do you mean?

3ventic

@Oded it's all on the left with a huge white space on the right

Oded

Designed by Developers™

Flyk

11:26 AM

yeah it has everything you need to sign in but it looks ugly

very much designed by developers

can you hire somebody that has some user interface design experience?

you could have a single text for user input and then a variety of icons instead of those big boxes, maybe some collapsible stuff and flashing lights

and throbbers whenever you click anything

3ventic

I just noticed typing ‮ still reverses everything I write.

Flyk

and it needs more pink

3ventic

lolwut

Flyk

@3ventic u rgubj tiy qwbr ibw ri rgw eufgr

3ventic

I forgot how to set access-origin policy correctly ._.

Bart

11:32 AM

"and throbbers whenever you click anything" ..... no comment ....

Oded

@Flyk - the initial design also had embedded video and audio on the buttons.

Flyk

@Bart ellipsis is only three dots

@Oded while I am making fun a little with my suggestion, I prefer the current log in page over the new one

Oded

Can you tell me what makes the current one better for you?

rene

11:56 AM

The data query is somewhat messy but at least I provided an answer

Bart

12:07 PM

@Flyk I'm a rebel.

Flyk

sets fire to @Bart

not anymore

Bart

/me stops drops and rolls

OGHaza

If you @tag someone in a comment, will they be notified even if all they've done is edit the post? I know there's a meta out there explaining it but I can never remember what tagging people is called

Bart

253

Q: How do comment @replies work?

How do I respond to a specific user when entering my comment? Will they be notified? What do people mean when they talk about "pinging" another user? Related: How do I view my recent replies? Return to the FAQ index

support faq comments notifications comment-replies

3ventic

@OGHaza I'm pretty sure you can ping editors like that.

Bart

12:20 PM

Yes you can

OGHaza

thanks all

3ventic

> You can only @reply to users who have already left a comment, or edited the post.

user202362

Anyone interested in trading? I will put a pictiure of your pet into my funny animal/cats app in exchange of +50 reps here ... good enough deal?

3ventic

/help/privileges/comment

Jan Dvorak

@sudorm-rfTelkitty It's not too hard to get 50 reps on Stack Overflow. In fact, I've already done it hundreds of times.

user202362

12:24 PM

It's a bit hard for me, people are jealous of my trolling skills :'(

rene

@oded I was testing login on meta from firefox and now I'm IP banned

user202362

@_@ ... 'testing' login? Interesting ...

rene

at least that is the page I get served

Jan Dvorak

@rene "suspicious request" isn't an IP ban

Oded

@rene - what exactly is the message?

rene

12:26 PM

There are an unusual number of requests coming from this IP address.

I
We're sorry...

There are an unusual number of requests coming from this IP address.

To protect our users, we can't process any more requests from this IP address right now.

We'll restore access as quickly as possible, so try again soon.

If you believe you have reached this page in error, contact us.

Oded

That sounds like our normal throttling, should be back to normal within a couple of minutes

rene

I'm chatting here so ...

Bart

Talk slower @rene.

Jan Dvorak

@rene how many requests have you been making?

Oded

@rene - chat is different

Did you F5 a lot?

OGHaza

12:27 PM

@sudorm-rfTelkitty i taught my fat cat to stand up oi39.tinypic.com/2n8778y.jpg

user202362

@OGHaza thought about caption it?

Bart

Are you sure it's not just unable to get down again @OGHaza?

Jan Dvorak

This got me thinking. How can I convince people to run an XHR fork bomb?

rene

one or two but I hit a case where I clicked sign-in with google where I actually had the 'other option' open for wordpress

I did switch between login and signup a couple of times indeed

OGHaza

@Bart, haha most probably, don't worry he's on a diet now he'll be back on all fours by summer

user202362

12:32 PM

Did someone log me out of this room, I wasn't sure what happened because I was on another tab ...

Bart

I'm guessing you tested the new login @sudorm-rfTelkitty? Therefore logging out first?

user202362

not out of this account ... just this room

Bart

Then I guess it's the new anti-troll system kicking in. Should be announced soon.

user202362

~_~

user202362

a manual anti-trolling system ... like ... woah!

Jan Dvorak

12:38 PM

@Bart yay!

wait, no more legit socks?

user202362

stop make me clicking the back button

Bart

Nah @JanDvorak, it just checks usernames for "Telkitty" and logs them out.

Jan Dvorak

@sudorm-rfTelkitty WTH are you doing? :-D

user202362

wait ... where am I again?

Jan Dvorak

@Bart Oh. :-D

user202362

12:40 PM

rofl

Martijn Pieters

Oh, yeah, new login system.

Has it been rolled out?

Oded

Meta only, to see if we missed any corners yet.

Martijn Pieters

Yeah, I saw the post, and that it was to be enabled EST morning time.

And since it is 7:43 EST now, I was assuming it was not yet rolled out.

Oded

I did update the post to say it is enabled on Meta :)

Martijn Pieters

But that required my to do more than assume!

I would actually have to re-read the post to check! :-P

user202362

12:43 PM

sorry for the slow clicking, I wasn't reading this sometimes ...

user202362

I have 5 tabs logged into this

Martijn Pieters

Meep, I now have to save my password into 1Password for each and every SE site! puts on tantrum face: I don't like it.

Oded

@MartijnPieters huh? Why?

Oh. The iFrame is gone

So different domains.

Martijn Pieters

The form domain used to be stable.

For the record: not being serious.

rene

@Oded is it intentional that on the signup page the stackexchange dialog is expanded while on the login page it is not?

Oded

12:49 PM

Yes

3ventic

Is it normal to see "More login options" link when they're already expanded after pressing back button?

rene

@3ventic +1 :-)

Oded

@3ventic - yep. It remembers the click

3ventic

but still shows the link? that seems odd

Oded

Let me see

3ventic

12:51 PM

it's probably something that depends on browser behavior..

Shadow Wizard

@3ventic not 100% accurate, you can also ping those who voted to close and user who set an active bounty on the question.

3ventic

@ShadowWizard ermahgerd update help center

user202362

why every time I read 'click' the 'c' & 'l' comes together ... to become another letter

user202362

is it the sign that I should choose another font?

Duncan

It might be time to talk to your wife..

user202362

1:04 PM

Tim Post

@sudorm-rfTelkitty That could actually be a sign of the onset of several eye conditions, if that's happening consistently, you should probably get an eye checkup.

Flyk

@Oded what major chance is being rolled out in 6 days?

@Tim will know!

Shadow Wizard

hey auto log in, coool

Flyk

@Tim what does badp keep teasing me about

major new feature of some kind in 6 days apparently

he says it will result in lots of editing

Shadow Wizard

Hey guys cool bug just for you

0

Q: Comments are now diamond killers

Steps to reproduce: Visit any post where a diamond mod/dev/employee left a comment. Add your own comment. Bask in the temporary glory of vaporizing his/her diamond: (no real diamonds were harmed during this bug report)

bug comments diamond

Tim Post

1:09 PM

@Flyk I'm not sure, it's technically not my week to watch him. Ask @Pops when he gets in.

user202362

@TimPost but will those eye conditions be fixed by another font?

Bart

Sounds like a feature to me @ShadowWizard

Flyk

@TimPost not your week to watch him?

lol

Shadow Wizard

lol

Tim Post

Oh shoot, I forgot something at the grocery store, I'll be back in 15 - have to get to the convenience store before they close or I'm going to be a very grumpy ape.

Flyk

1:11 PM

suddenly @Tim leaves the chat

MODS ARE AFK, POST PONIES

user202362

It seems a lot of grumpy apes running around on the Stack Exchange ...

Shadow Wizard

@sudorm-rfTelkitty but no kittens.

Jan Dvorak

Wow. A spam post advertising a piece of anti-spam software.

math.stackexchange.com/questions/639222/… ...

Flyk

did not click: linked me to math.stackexchange.com

Shadow Wizard

> This question was removed from Mathematics Stack Exchange for reasons of moderation.

rene

1:19 PM

@oded this seems strange: /users/login -> click 'more login options', click 'wordpress'(or 'blogger', not yahoo), click 'login. (notice you don't enter a username)

you're redirected to /users/autheiticate but if I click 'login with google' I'm redirected to that same page, but I'm logged in anyway.

user202362

stop trying to log into other people's accounts!!!

Oded

@rene nice catch. Thanks

Flyk

@Oded!

Oded

@Flyk Yes?

Laszlo Papp

@Duncan: ah, I know where I know you from.. the basketball cards during my childhood...

Flyk

1:23 PM

@Oded what is the major new feature being rolled out next week? A mod keeps teasing me about it

user202362

Oded

@Flyk dunno. He perhaps has something very specific in mind

Or is just pulling your chain

user202362

I second pulling the chain

user202362

just think about it ... if a major release is to come out, how likely would it be in the 3rd week of Jan?

Shadow Wizard

@Oded maybe the MSO/MSE split? It should be somewhere in January, according to the latest update I read

3ventic

1:27 PM

Just think what was announced 6-8 weeks ago and you should have a list of possible things

Bart

All the things were announced 6-8 weeks ago

Shadow Wizard

@3ventic the world was created 6-8 weeks ago

3ventic

Exactly.

Oded

@ShadowWizard things are certainly progressing there, but I don't know that we have a firm date

user202362

Really? Am I really the only pre-historical human according to your calendar?

Flyk

1:29 PM

@ShadowWizard no this is something that will effect the sites, otherwise he wouldn't mention it

I heard something about subtags, but I doubt you're going to roll out a rework of the tag system in the middle of all of these other things

Shadow Wizard

@Flyk hmm.... can you quote what he told you, word by word?

Flyk

@ShadowWizard that's going to be difficult

Shadow Wizard

Why?

3ventic

because it's in a million parts

Flyk

because it's spread over the last 24 hours and it's individual phrases in sentences

3ventic

1:31 PM

scattered around the transcript

Flyk

basically it started with "something big is happening in 7 days"

today it's 6 days

it's something that I will like

Shadow Wizard

@Flyk maybe it's his birthday?

Flyk

it's something that has a great potential to destroy the front page

user202362

major release on a Wednesday/Thursday ... really?

user202362

My bet: you have been tricked

Flyk

1:32 PM

nope

chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/4?m=13192150#13192150

I suspect that is a link to the transcript in teacher's lounge

but contains what ever this secret is

3ventic

it's a pretty long list

Flyk

@3ventic most of those predate the time period we're talking about

3ventic

use newest

Flyk

you must help me

if I have to live with this level of anticipation for 6 more days I could die

it's a medical condition

causes things to spontaneously combust

Bart

After you put me on fire earlier, I'd love to see that happen.

user202362

1:37 PM

lol why is balp the only one mentioning it if there was ... really anything

user202362

@BenCollins you are a SE developer

user202362

you would know when SE would have any major releases ...

Laszlo Papp

hi, so comment flags are not visible even by TUs, right, only mods?

Shadow Wizard

@Flyk oh my, I think I got it

He meant release of a game

This will cause tons of new questions for that game

Oded

@LaszloPapp yes

Shadow Wizard

1:40 PM

Thus affecting the front page

Laszlo Papp

thanks.

Shadow Wizard

I was there during the first days of Skyrim and virtually 100% of the front page was Skyrim questions

Flyk

@ShadowWizard nah it can't be that

any game I would be interested in i'd know about

Shadow Wizard

Either that or he's trolling you, I think SE employees would have known of upcoming changes as well :)

Flyk

yeah but they're all being quiet about it

which isn't the same as denying there is one coming

Shadow Wizard

1:49 PM

They simply don't know

No denial required :)

Bart

Enough @ShadowWizard. Just tell him what's upcoming. We all know. Flyk can know as well.

Unless you don't think we can trust everyone with the information.

Flyk

oh you're evil

more trolling on stackexchange than on 4chan

Shadow Wizard

lol

So Tuesday, January 21, 2014?

user202362

not Stackoverflow, just meta

user202362

from my years of experience on the internet, meta is the #1 trolling place on the web

Shadow Wizard

1:55 PM

@sudorm-rfTelkitty yep it's heaven for trolls, everyone knows that

Duncan

@LaszloPapp ??

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