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Why I think another feature is needed: There are currently 2 primary methods of gamification for the site: Reputation and Badges. (Hats seem like a tweaked form of badges, and as they're seasonal, don't they go away soon?...) Reputation most strongly incentivizes good answers, (which is certain...

Yi Jiang

technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms186724.aspx

Undo the Snowman

@AaronHall Ah

Aaron Hall

I also answered my own question, and I get a feeling that gets a bit of resentment from people looking to snipe questions for rep.

Undo the Snowman

@AaronHall Meh, I bet people just don't like your health bar idea.

Aaron Hall

people? I've got more than one downvote?

Undo the Snowman

4:58 AM

@AaronHall No, I just said people because I was too lazy to go push the button to show how many dvs it had.

Aaron Hall

I see :)

Likely to be controversial I'm sure.

Undo the Snowman

If I were you I would make some better concept art.

Aaron Hall

oh, man, I thought I was awesome for using gimp to do that

Undo the Snowman

@AaronHall You are. But it could be better.

I would suggest making it thinner.

Not as tall.

Aaron Hall

my skillz are limited

Undo the Snowman

4:59 AM

mine are too.

Aaron Hall

yeah, so... ok

I'll see what I can do in the next 20 mins

Undo the Snowman

Also, note that mSO historically doesn't like people coming in with major changes - even if they're awesome, great ideas.

Aaron Hall

I can imagine

where put the bar?

do you think?

behind name only?

Undo the Snowman

@AaronHall If it were me? Probably the bottom.

Aaron Hall

beside name?

Undo the Snowman

5:01 AM

Below the entire usercard.

About three-four px tall.

Aaron Hall

Hey, that's the communicator beep from Star Trek, isn't it.

Undo the Snowman

@AaronHall Yup :D

Aaron Hall

ok

michaelb958's a Sleigh

@UndotheSnowman Try CreationDate > CAST('2013-11-10T02:54:38' AS DATETIME).

@AaronHall Sounds like it, anyway. I quite like it.

Undo the Snowman

@michaelb958'saSleigh That worked - thanks!

michaelb958's a Sleigh

5:03 AM

@UndotheSnowman ISO 8601 FTW!

Undo the Snowman

:D

Aaron Hall

how's that?

Undo the Snowman

@AaronHall A lot better.

Aaron Hall

I think so too

jadarnel27

@UndotheSnowman Are you using MySQL?

Undo the Snowman

5:07 AM

@jadarnel27 whatever SEDE runs.

MSSQL I think.

Aaron Hall

I started out with red to green, but the transition sucked, and I didn't like the idea of putting people in "red" when they're starting out.

jadarnel27

@UndotheSnowman Oh. I thought you were talking about your local thing.

Yeah, SEDE runs SQL Server.

michaelb958's a Sleigh

@jadarnel27 @UndotheSnowman Yeah, the MS one. The language is known as Transact-SQL (TSQL for short).

Undo the Snowman

Anyway, I've got to go now. Good luck with your feature-request, @AaronHall

jadarnel27

I'm surprised that you had to cast the string to a DATE. I've never had to do that with SQL Server.

Undo the Snowman

5:08 AM

Me neither.

Aaron Hall

I wrote a cool query at work in JQL, it got my coworkers excited that they're not going to get their exeption reports any more.

michaelb958's a Sleigh

@jadarnel27 Meh, just being safe. (As I said: I know just enough to be dangerous.)

jadarnel27

@michaelb958'saSleigh Hey, it worked! That's the important part =)

michaelb958's a Sleigh

@jadarnel27 Yep, and it's absolutely unambiguous to anyone who might read it in future.

*basks in glow of +1 programmer points*

jadarnel27

I use SQL everyday at work, and the string comparison always works for throwaway queries in SSMS.

In fact, I think I've used it in Data Explorer before. Hmmm.

michaelb958's a Sleigh

5:12 AM

Probably would have sufficed, but complex code can be tripped up by the silliest things.

I had some PHP broken for days because I typed += instead of .=.

jadarnel27

Oh. He had a "T" in the middle of the date string. This one works with just the string.

@michaelb958'saSleigh Heh, that sounds frustrating!

michaelb958's a Sleigh

@jadarnel27 The T was to make absolutely sure that it was interpreted as ISO 8601. Otherwise, there was a slim chance that the day and month could have been interpreted the wrong way round, and that would have been silly.

Aaron Hall

Sweet, sockpuppet is me.

michaelb958's a Sleigh

@jadarnel27 PHP: built for idiots, by idiots.

> I don't see the point, especially for something like PHP where most of the scripts will be rather simple and in most cases written by non-programmers who want a language with a basic logical syntax that doesn't have too high a learning curve.

3ventic

8:30 AM

The only problem with PHP nowadays is that it's filled with mistakes made in the past although many have been fixed.

Simon Whitehead

9:01 AM

are there any moderators around? :)

just wondering if someone could review my serial downvotes occurring on my profile and see if it will be caught by the voting fraud cron SO has

Yi Jiang

Mods probably won't know that

I don't think the information is available

Simon Whitehead

this meta post links to this room and says they can tell you: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/126829/…

it says "they can't fix it.. but can tell if the fraud script will detect it"

Shadow Wizard

No mod but from long experience I can tell almost for sure that yes, it will be detected and reversed

michaelb958's a Sleigh

@SimonWhitehead I'm not privy to the details of the script (only employees are), but as an average user with half a clue I can tell you that the downvotes on your SO profile look pretty bad and will probably be reversed. (The script runs at 03:00 UTC, which is in about 18 hours, so you'll have to wait until then to be sure.)

Simon Whitehead

many thanks :)

Oded

10:17 AM

@SimonWhitehead assuming most of these are by the same user, then the script would detect and reverse these.

Simon Whitehead

Thanks Oded

It appears the script picked up the bulk of them much quicker than expected

i do wish the downvotes were reversed instead of a rep adjustment

perhaps thats what happens during the 3am UTC cron

FYI - I got raged by a user because they called myself and another couple of users "stupid shitheads"

i informed the user that they could expect not to get any further help from us

serial downvoting ensued.

Shadow Wizard

10:37 AM

@SimonWhitehead this is actually reversed, checking this random post which appears as downvoted in your reputation history page there are no downvotes on it.

Those history items might be cached, if they still appear tomorrow bug report would make sense.

3ventic

10:53 AM

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Q: Visual Studio how to open files in one instance

I edit files directly inside FTP and like to use Visual Studio, however VS seems to open each file inside new instance of VS and not inside a new tab. I believe this is because it's a file without a solution/project. How can I force VS to open multiple separate files inside one multitabed window ?

visual-studio-2010 visual-studio visual-studio-2008 visual-studio-2012 visual-studio-2005

Those tags..

Simon Whitehead

@ShadowWizard Mmm.. yes, it appears that you are correct.

However, I've noticed about 3 other random downvotes .. during the same period

it appears that individual had a friend who also downvoted a few of my questions

and those ones haven't been picked up

oh well

michaelb958's a Sleigh

@SimonWhitehead As you say, oh well. 6 rep isn't a lot to worry about.

Simon Whitehead

very true :)

Shadow Wizard

@SimonWhitehead that's one of the risks of being active high rep user... we all have to live with that :)

Simon Whitehead

Indeed. I do wish SO wasn't so addictive

most days i find it more fun than my actual work.

but now i'm addicted to the gamification

hence why i'm here asking about serial downvoting :P

Shadow Wizard

11:06 AM

@SimonWhitehead did you go hat hunting already? It's a great sport

Oh, only 7 hats so no

Simon Whitehead

i haven't gone hunting.. a few have just appeared without me really trying

when does it end again?

Shadow Wizard

"Winter Bash 2013 will run from Monday 16 December 2013 through Friday 3 January 2014"

Blog - Stack Exchange: Winter Bash 2013 is here!

Abby T. Miller on December 15, 2013

The gatherings of family and friends, the giving and receiving of gifts, the making and/or breaking of New Year’s resolutions – however you and yours celebrate, the end of a calendar year heralds many traditions.

Here at Stack Exchange, we wanted to get each of you an awesome, personal gift, and mail it to you as our way of saying “thanks.” But our accountant pointed out that there are 4.5 million of you, which promptly reminded us that the holidays aren’t about gifts. The real spirit of the holidays can only be captured with… …

Simon Whitehead

ahhhh.. i should go hunting tomorrow

Jeroen Vannevel

6:25 PM

Can you see what messages of yours in chat have been starred? I just got a hat but I've never seen my ramblings get a star

hichris123

In each room => chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/rooms/info/89/tavern-on-the-meta/… => Posted By Me

Jeroen Vannevel

ah, thanks!

hichris123

Welcome.

ElfSlice

6:53 PM

Today's Listening is aptly named

jadarnel27

8:51 PM

> [Josh]: Where's my '20 hats' hat?!
> [Megan]: ...you are such a weird dude about those hats.

ElfSlice

9:04 PM

hats for bats

keep bats warm

Jeroen Vannevel

9:53 PM

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Q: Java non-property accessor methods that start with "get" and "set"?

In the seminal book The Elements of Java Style it says: Follow the JavaBeans conventions for naming property accessor methods. The JavaBeans specification establishes standard naming conventions for methods that give access to the properties of a JavaBean implementation. You should apply ...

java properties naming-conventions

Is he correct in his argument "This question is not opinion based as Java has well documented best practices. This question is a clarifying question on those."?

Dennis Meng

10:42 PM

I just noticed that the addressbook tag exists. Looking through questions tagged with it, most of them are related to iOS, and writing something to interact with the address book.

Should I put in a burninate request, or are these iOS questions using the tag just fine (and retag the others)

Dennis Meng

10:56 PM

eh, making a question where we can discuss either option

Laszlo Papp

I think the upvoting fan club is unfortunately not a joke on stackoverflow. :/

I was seeing a long answer coming out, and without being able to read the first 1-2 paragraphs, it already got upvotes. It is impossible to read such answers in that short while, or I must be reading comprehensively overly slow.

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