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2:00 PM

@qwertynl I sent an email out a few hours ago, did you not get one?

@ProgramFOX, I just skip everything that isn't a reject since I know 99.999% of good edits get approved without me helping them on their way (as well as about 60% of bad edits)

@TinyTim Nope. I did not :-(

@qwertynl Please send me an email directly, tpost@stackoverflow.com and I'll send you a link to the form to get your details

Can you check your gmail spam folder though? You should have gotten that email.

@TinyTim Nope it was not there :-( I am going to send you an email from my main email address

@qwertynl WORRY NOT SQUIRE! Your swag will come.

2:08 PM

I sent you an email @TinyTim let me know when you get it :-D

@qwertynl Sent you a link :)

@TinyTim Thanks. :-) Now I've got to forward that email to my office computer. No Gmail in my office :-(

I shall fill it out soon.

By soon I mean now :-)

I get a ping when someone submits that form, so I'll know when I've got your details and just try to get it out to you then.

@TinyTim I think I filled it out corectly :-)

Don't reveal my secrets! :-P

@qwertynl On meta, no one knows that you're doge.

2:18 PM

@TinyTim :-P

2:38 PM

@qwertynl Shipped, will go out today via USPS.

@TinyTim Yay!

Thanks @TinyTim :-)

I don't know what "doge" is, but this whole Winter Bash thing has made me feel like I should find out.

Mostly because @ElfSlice appears to be obsessed with it.

Undo the Snowman

@qwertynl Where'd you get the swagz?

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@jadarnel27 That's the 'Doge' hat.

You can see it on the image that contains all hats:

Link: cdn-prom.sstatic.net/WinterBash2013/img/sprite-128.png

@UndotheSnowman Cuz I am just that cool ;-)

2:48 PM

@ProgramFOX Thanks! I have actually seen that specific thing here on SE. I just don't know anything about what it's referencing.

=)

@jadarnel27 I also don't know. I also don't see anyone wearing that hat. It's still a real secret.

3:23 PM

Oh, I think it's been confirmed that it's not a real hat. It's just there to throw people off.

@jadarnel27 But.... hats...

Here's the "know your meme" article about it.

goes to read that

3:35 PM

I...don't think I understand "doge" any better after reading that.

But. You know. Wow. Such meme. Cute doge.

3:51 PM

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A: Work is hard, let's color the walls

More Please! If I ever stop using Stack Exchange/Overflow, at least I will remember to never use the deprecated mysql PHP libraries and that jQuery is better than everything...even if my question was about Powershell. jQuery reference

4:13 PM

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BRB, rebooting I guess.

4:27 PM

Am in doing the math wrong, or was my touchpad software really using ~3GB's of RAM just now?

@jadarnel27 idk... that seemed waaaay too high

Today's Listening

I THINK I HAD TOO MANY SHOTS OF ESPRESSO.

That's not a thing, too many shots of espresso.

4:43 PM

Agreed.

I've been trying espresso and Disaronno. I call them espressoronnos. Quite good.

5:00 PM

@qwertynl Oh...I thoroughly agree.

I rebooted, and now it's using 12MB's.

@jadarnel27 weird.

5:35 PM

Oh my.

disasterpeace.com/track/the-clock-master-sync-majesty

@jadarnel27 How much RAM do you have?

@ElfSlice What?

@hichris123 What what?

What's confusing you?

4 mins ago, by ElfSlice

Oh my.

I said 'oh my' and linked a song.

Oh my for the song?

5:40 PM

@hichris123 Yessssssss

Why?

@hichris123 8 GB's.

@hichris123 Because it's dope

@jadarnel27 4GB :(

@ElfSlice Okay...

@hichris123 =[

'oh my this song is really good'

5:41 PM

Ah.

@hichris123 You would have been in very bad shape, had a process been taking up 3 GB's =)

I also have 2 gigs of dedicated video RAM.

Which is awesome.

@jadarnel27 Yep, I've gotten to 95% RAM someday.

Ug, so want your computer.

@hichris123 To be fair, you probably don't want the price tag that came with it haha.

@jadarnel27 Home-built or standard?

@hichris123 I bought it off the shelf at Best Buy.

It's a laptop.

It's a laptop that weighs ten pounds.

5:45 PM

@jadarnel27 What one?

And I'm on a gaming laptop from '09 right now.

A dentist @TinyTim ?

Well, his bottom teeth were ... err... missing for the most part :P

I stink at drawing... :-(

I have a feeling I am not going to win the drawing competition lol.

Should this answer be flagged as VLQ?

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A: How to add button in List View?

if you google it.. you can find lot of stuff..just go through this link

@hichris123 It's one of the ASUS "Republic of Gamers" line of laptops.

5:50 PM

@jadarnel27 Price?

@hichris123 'lots'

But... I want numbers!

Ah, this is the one.

I don't understand gaming laptops. What's the use case?

@hichris123 I truly can't remember how much it was when I got it (over a year ago). I want to say it was around $1,500. Maybe a little more, or less.

@Pops Playing games =)

5:55 PM

But where are you going to play games where you can't have a desktop?

More seriously, though. I like being able to bring it to friend's houses, to play games with them (in person). It's fun to do the headset thing, but sometimes I just like physically hanging out with people.

Ah, that's fair.

For instance, playing Diablo 3 with my brother. I would bring my laptop over to his house, where his desktop is, and we would play together.

Usually we would also be on Ventrilo or some other voice chat thing with our other friends (who couldn't be there).

@jadarnel27 You have physical friends? Where do I get those?

:-)

@Pops Probably not a super common use-case, but that's why I like it =)

5:58 PM

Well, he does have a wife, @qwertynl

@qwertynl You have to go...outside! shudders

@hichris123 I have one of those too :-P

@jadarnel27 but it is scary!

I know, I know.

Marriage? Ha! Suckers! I have a computer with 32 GB of RAM, instead. (Just in case it is not clear to non-room-regulars, this is a joke.)

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@Pops We allow non-regulars in here? Nonsense. This must be changed. How dare you do this to us?

6:01 PM

@hichris123 hides

@Pops Ummmm I don't get it....

:-(

I occasionally look around my living room, bereft as it is of cool "single guy" gadgets (speakers, cinema screens etc.) and try to remind myself that I love my wife.

@ElfSlice Why would you hide, elf? You're normally in here.

@hichris123 Well, recently I am.

Hey, look when the first time I talked in here was.

6:02 PM

@qwertynl I'm not really claiming that having a nice computer is better than having someone to spend the rest of your life with. The part about owning a computer with 32 GB of RAM was not a joke, though.

@Pops Me want.

The computer part.

@Pops I've only got 16GB here (at my office)

It was really more of a "just because" thing. I never actually do anything particularly intensive on that machine.

Ha

What happens to my VLQ flags?

Do they go to the flag queue, or to the VLQ queue?

6:06 PM

That reminds me, I have to use the "free video game" certificates I got for buying that RAM.

The VLQ queue is one of the flag queues.

@Pops Reminds me of the "Family Decals" xkcd.

I meant Low Quality Posts queue, what's that then?

@jadarnel27 I once told one of my friends "You know, you remind me of an xkcd."

Everything can be summed up with jQuery :-D

Then I went to look up the link to that one.

But she said "Yeah, I know the one you mean" before I could find it. And she was right.

6:09 PM

Hahah, I need friends like that.

Maybe we should give up on the whole idea of a 'back' button. 'Show me that thing I was looking at a moment ago' might just be too complicated an idea for the modern web.

LOL

I hate infinite scroll sometimes...

My wife told me she's discovered that if I start a sentence with, "That reminds me of...", it's going to end with either "an xkcd comic" or "a stand-up comedy bit."

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The punctuation between those two halves of the statement would be her rolling her eyes.

6:36 PM

My cat is going to be really disappointed when Christmas is over and she can't drink the tree water anymore.

@jadarnel27 My cat is going to be disappointed when she can't nibble on the plastic tree any more.

My cat always has silver poop this time of year.

Haha, nice.

Mr. Peanut Monopoly McManish

7:13 PM

@Pops /has access to a computational cluster with lots of RAM/CPU.

Can't really use it for anything other than computations though.

Mr. Peanut Monopoly McManish

7:29 PM

Even if I appropriate the cpus for gaming it won't work because the ssh overhead is too much

I've heard of folks using networked gaming devices as clusters but not clusters as gaming devices :P

Yeah, I built a great computer just for fun, but have no real use for it. I occasionally do some Photoshopping or non-current-gen gaming, but that's it.

Mr. Peanut Monopoly McManish

@Pops gimme then

:P

Then again, my gaming is offset by 5-6 years too

That xkcd about Portal actually happened to me, in almost exactly the same way, a month ago

Sure thing. I'll charge you what I paid for parts, plus a reasonable hourly assembly fee.

Mr. Peanut Monopoly McManish

/has no money

I can pay you in meta rep :P

As tempting as that is, given that you are one of the few people with more MSO rep than me, I'm going to have to decline. I like my nice, overpowered, silent computer.

Mr. Peanut Monopoly McManish

7:37 PM

@Pops Silent? Nice. Does it shut down annoyingly when you put load on it?

Uh... no? Why would you connect silence and shutdown under load?

I'm not sure I've ever really put a serious load on it, though.

Mr. Peanut Monopoly McManish

@Pops My laptop has pretty low specs but it only slows down in games and never shuts down. A lot of the "gaming" computers these days do shutdown when you actually play games on them without a cooling pad.

CPU overheat, basically

Ah, the CPU heat protection thing.

I put a gigantic heatsink in there, too. Again, probably wasted money.

Mr. Peanut Monopoly McManish

@Pops I doubt it. Overheat is really annoying and you can end up losing work and all. And it happens when you cram more and more power into a computer. Heatsinks/fans are really important

Again, I actually do very little with this machine. The stock cooler probably would've done fine.

7:46 PM

Depends on which processor you have, the stock heatsink that came with the first/second generation i7s was ineffective at best.

It's nice to have the option to do crazy stuff with your computer, @Pops =)

Yeah, the idea was that it would be a futureproof (or at least future-resistant) development machine.

Mr. Peanut Monopoly McManish

@TimStone exactly.

But I'll make a note that you have more RAM than I do so I can remedy that. ;)

Mr. Peanut Monopoly McManish

@jadarnel27 Next time there's a hurricane in New York they'll just failover to Pops' computer.

7:48 PM

Actually they'd probably go for Nick's computer, heh.

That's my personal machine, not my work machine. The work machine is not so beefy (although it's still very nice).

@Pops Cloud source your computer. So we can use your CPU and RAM that you're not using.

Mr. Peanut Monopoly McManish

@hichris123 I could easily use it all, I have a simulation that can run for days if I set it up for that accuracy/depth

@Mr.Peanut MATLAB?

Mr. Peanut Monopoly McManish

@hichris123 nah. I prefer Mathematica, but for computationally intensive stuff I use fortran/c++/python depending on the situation. Currently I'm using preexisting open source softwares

(Quantum espresso)

7:56 PM

@Mr.Peanut I tried Mathematica, didn't really understand it. Since you're in the more simulated and theoretical world, it should be better for you, though.

Mr. Peanut Monopoly McManish

@hichris123 Once you get to know a couple of basic functions and get comfortable with the paradigm, Mathematica is awesome

It's pretty fun to mess around with too

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Q: What are the most common pitfalls awaiting new users?

As you may already know, Mathematica is a wonderful piece of software. However, it has a few characteristics that tend to confuse new (and sometimes not-so-new) users. That can be clearly seen from the the fact that the same questions keep being posted at this site over and over. Please help m...

@Mr.Peanut I'm used to Java, so my first tendency was to use For loops. But slowness reigned from then on.

Mr. Peanut Monopoly McManish

I can use matlab, but I don't because I rarely find a situation where it is the best tool in my arsenal. If I want speed, I use a bare language. If I want visual awesomeness and brevity, Mathematica

@hichris123 do. not. use. for.

I know.

Mr. Peanut Monopoly McManish

Use Table! Map! Nest! Fold!

8:01 PM

How about Do?

Mr. Peanut Monopoly McManish

same thing

I mean yeah, For and Do become useful at times, but usually .... naah.

So what's the difference between Matlab and Mathematica?

Mr. Peanut Monopoly McManish

@hichris123 well, matlab is more procedural, for one

It is less visualization-oriented

It is faster usually for numerical solving

And it is more limited to math.

@Mr.Peanut So, would exponent calculations be better with Matlab (no visualization)?

Mr. Peanut Monopoly McManish

@hichris123 exponent? a^b? I would say they would be just as fast in both

I'm talking about stuff like runge-kutta solving and all

One thing about mathematica is that is is easy to get confused with

8:08 PM

@Mr.Peanut Yeah, like huge numbers.

Mr. Peanut Monopoly McManish

Also, it tries to avoid the hassle of having you set every knob

I remember we used Matlab in a digital image processing class I took in college. It was fun, though I haven't used it since.

Mr. Peanut Monopoly McManish

It chooses the best methods and all (though you can explicitly specify if you want). In matlab a lot of things need to be more explicit

And you lost me with runge-kutta.

Mr. Peanut Monopoly McManish

@hichris123 it's a method of numerically solving differential equations

8:10 PM

Ah.

9:10 PM

Brown

TRiG is Timothy Richard Green

> Am I gay if I cried when watching Edward Scissorhands?

TIL I'm gay

Well, if @TRiGisTimothyRichardGreen is right that is

TRiG is Timothy Richard Green

@Bart So'm I. By that definition and by more standard ones.

If I turn out to be, I'm currently so far in the closet that this must be Narnia

TRiG is Timothy Richard Green

@Bart Ah well. Don't forget to return the fur coats as you leave.

9:27 PM

Seems that user registered specifically for that question

It's been so long since I saw that movie, I don't know if I cried or not.

But if you did, those were brown tears

Brown tears are the only ones I know how to cry.

Man. I need to work that into a song. That's poetry right there.

/me makes screenshot of conversation in case this turns out to be a hit-song

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Q: Trolling homework questions - sorting

I am intending to make this a new category of programming puzzle (let's call it "code-trolling"). So you could expect this to be the first question of the series. The idea of this category is: Suppose that some lazy guy in StackOverflow or elsewhere, asks a homework give-me-dah-codez questio...

code-challenge popularity-contest code-trolling

^ Anyone see this?

9:44 PM

ehhhhhhhhhh ...

Undo the Snowman

Looks amusing.

@Bart ?

It does look very amusing.

TRiG is Timothy Richard Green

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Q: Code-troll rules

The first ever question with code-trolling tag (Trolling homework questions - sorting) has been a success and it seems reasonable to assume we will so more of these. It might be a bit early, but I hope to open a discussion on what the rules should be. Original rules: Suppose that some lazy gu...

discussion code-trolling

Why do I have visions of all that getting out of hand?

@Bart I don't think it will, people will probably bar that from happening.

Undo the Snowman

9:52 PM

@Bart Because you are just like me.

Looking ahead. We need to just charge into everything.

You take that back right now @UndotheSnowman!!!

Undo the Snowman

Heh

Go to your room, @Undo!

Undo the Snowman

Already there.

Charcoal HQ

Where smoke is detected, diamonds are made, and we break thing...

@Undo :)

10:00 PM

+1, good points. Also, I think this is the highest hyperlink-to-content-ratio I've ever seen =) — jadarnel27 Dec 8 '11 at 0:05

Haha, I forgot about that post.

Man that dude used a lot of links.

10:51 PM

We've had way too many bad 'close as dupes' on Meta with someone taking the canonical thing too far.

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Q: Should I mark as duplicate if the question is answered elsewhere, but it's not the same question?

I'm looking for policy or guidance on the following situation. Someone just posted a new question Q1. I noticed that one of the existing answers to another question (Q2) already answers Q1 -- the answer to Q2 happens to be general enough that it answers not just Q2 but also Q1. However, Q1 is ...

discussion exact-duplicates

Undo the Snowman

Somehow got signed up for a Quora account ;(

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I hope that works :P

they've been sending me primarily opinion-based questions for the past month.

Michael Petrotta

@Lance, make sense to post context, for the sake of all?

If you want.

Michael Petrotta

A comment I wrote a few minutes ago. Not sure how well it'll carry over.

@Lance, I see you creating a lot of tag wikis. You're writing the excerpts without using the name of the technology, probably emulating how excerpts appear in the tag pages. Those tag pages do some magic to remove the technology name, even when it's present in the excerpt itself. The same magic isn't applied to the leader that appears when you click on a tag name, and that causes lots of the excerpts you write to appear awkward, IMO. Contrast Facebool-SDK and zentest.

(my opinion, but seems to be commonly held, looking at current excerpts. These comments will self-destruct. @Lance)

nuking the comments now

I hadn't realized that (or just forgot) that the first part was auto-stripped away. I guess it's not too confusing since you get the tag leader by hovering over the tag, so you see it there...

but it doesn't look as smooth so I'll change my ways.

Thanks for pointing that out.

Michael Petrotta

10:58 PM

Not the end of the world, either way. Just caught my attention.

np.

11:14 PM

Feeds has scorned you again, @TimStone.

Undo the Snowman

What's the flag to use on 'please accept' comments?

Michael Petrotta

not constructive, probably.

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Some parts of this answer are taken from the 2009 Stack Overflow blog post Comments: Now with Flags and Votes. Note that flagging has changed considerably since that blog post. Comment votes Upvote a comment by clicking on the up arrow that appears when you hover the mouse over the commen...

Undo the Snowman

Ok

Undo the Snowman

11:36 PM

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This is so fun.

@Undo I just do too chatty. Me wants that!

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@hichris123 You need a token to make it work ;(

@Undo That's why you're making the magical SE OAuth token generator that runs on any device, anywhere.

Undo the Snowman

whistles

Will it include unicorns?

Undo the Snowman

11:45 PM

@hichris123 Go for it

Oh, and I'm at 100 flags/day now.

Undo the Snowman

@hichris123 :D

@Undo Will the library you linked work with SE?

Undo the Snowman

@hichris123 It should.

Not sure

I'm half tempted to just make a really simple web-based token getterer.

(people would have to trust me not to be evil, though)

@Undo If you don't make it, I will.

Undo the Snowman

11:54 PM

Hmm

@Undo Hmm != answer

Undo the Snowman

Let's both make one.

Let's all make one!

Undo the Snowman

That way we are sure that we actually get something.

Better yet, let's all make two.

Undo the Snowman

11:56 PM

@jadarnel27 Good idea!

@jadarnel27 :)

I'm proactive, guys.

@Undo Both make one, alone?

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