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scunliffe
scunliffe
11:00 AM
trying to catch up here... is this convo all about supporting some sort of IRC / XMPP protocol deal?
 
Harry Gindi
Harry Gindi
What features do you think they're planning on adding at this point in the game?
 
Erick Robertson
Erick Robertson
Why stop with the chat? We should create a separate client for all of StackOverflow.
 
Harry Gindi
Harry Gindi
@Erick: That's a red herring and you know it.
 
balpha
balpha
@HarryGindi I don't mind you disagreeing with anything, but please watch your tone. This isn't mathoverflow.
 
Lasse V. Karlsen
Lasse V. Karlsen
@Harry, I have no idea, but the API can change, everything can change
The second they publish it, they're locked in
 
Erick Robertson
Erick Robertson
11:01 AM
The arguments against creating a client for the chat are exactly the same as the arguments against creating one for the website.
 
Lasse V. Karlsen
Lasse V. Karlsen
I don't want them to give up the freedom of change just yet
@Erick, not quite, the website is (I'm assuming here) more stable feature-wise and API-wise, it has matured
 
Harry Gindi
Harry Gindi
@balpha: In reference to what line precisely?
 
Erick Robertson
Erick Robertson
@LasseVKarlsen But there's still no reason to make it into a separate client.
It works fine in a browser.
 
Lasse V. Karlsen
Lasse V. Karlsen
No
 
balpha
balpha
@HarryGindi You know very well what I mean.
 
Lasse V. Karlsen
Lasse V. Karlsen
11:02 AM
And I'm not saying there is no point in creating a separate client for chat either
I'm just agreeing with them that now is not the time
 
Harry Gindi
Harry Gindi
@Erick: The difference is that a browser is well-suited to displaying webpages
 
Lasse V. Karlsen
Lasse V. Karlsen
I would very much like to have a client for iPad/iPhone of both
 
Harry Gindi
Harry Gindi
Rather than streams of text
 
Lasse V. Karlsen
Lasse V. Karlsen
seeing as the websites (chat and SO) aren't really geared towards mobile devices
 
Marc Gravell
Marc Gravell
@LasseVKarlsen chat has a mobile version; it will continue to be evolved
 
Lasse V. Karlsen
Lasse V. Karlsen
11:03 AM
yes, I know
and that's my point
it is evolving, so now is not the time to get side-tracked in order to publish a good API or spend time making a separate client
 
Erick Robertson
Erick Robertson
an iPad client for SO and the chat would be wicked.
 
Lasse V. Karlsen
Lasse V. Karlsen
but in time, if the mobile web interface isn't good enough, perhaps a more native client is the best way to go
 
Harry Gindi
Harry Gindi
I don't really understand why the iPad doesn't just run the full version of OS X, honestly...
 
Erick Robertson
Erick Robertson
@HarryGindi Which is why you're not Steve Jobs.
 
Lasse V. Karlsen
Lasse V. Karlsen
If it did, you wouldn't understand why it only have 15 minutes of battery time
 
Harry Gindi
Harry Gindi
11:04 AM
It's basically a laptop without a keyboard.
 
Lasse V. Karlsen
Lasse V. Karlsen
It could be a laptop without a keyboard with a different OS
 
Erick Robertson
Erick Robertson
But with iOS, it's only a big iPod.
 
Lasse V. Karlsen
Lasse V. Karlsen
Correct
 
Erick Robertson
Erick Robertson
By the way, I love my big iPod. :)
 
Benjol
Benjol
@LasseVKarlsen Or get side-tracked talking endlessly about it, for that matter...
 
Lasse V. Karlsen
Lasse V. Karlsen
11:06 AM
@Benjol, yeah yeah :)
 
Erick Robertson
Erick Robertson
@Benjol Why'd you come in a chat room, then?
 
Lasse V. Karlsen
Lasse V. Karlsen
You can't make a chat-system and then complain about being side-tracked talking about things :)
 
Marc Gravell
Marc Gravell
side-tracked? heh - I get paid for this
 
Harry Gindi
Harry Gindi
I get paid to sell drugs to the community.
 
Lasse V. Karlsen
Lasse V. Karlsen
Yeah, where is that checkbox btw? The one where you get payment for being here?
 
Benjol
Benjol
11:06 AM
Yeh, Marc, no fair. You and balpha are the only ones getting paid for this!
 
Lasse V. Karlsen
Lasse V. Karlsen
Can't remember seeing that anywhere...
 
Erick Robertson
Erick Robertson
I get paid for doing work that I'm not doing when I'm here. :)
 
Benjol
Benjol
@LasseVKarlsen, careful, because right next to it there is another checkbox where you pay :)
 
Lasse V. Karlsen
Lasse V. Karlsen
Yeah, well, I don't see that one either ;)
question, are smileys going to be added? ;)
 
Marc Gravell
Marc Gravell
@LasseVKarlsen buried in the T&C - we assumed you'd already agreed. We arrive on Tuesday to take your house and cat.
 
Harry Gindi
Harry Gindi
11:08 AM
Please don't add smilies
 
Lasse V. Karlsen
Lasse V. Karlsen
noooo, not my cat!!!
 
Erick Robertson
Erick Robertson
Question: is someone keeping track of how many stars everyone gives/gets?
 
Marc Gravell
Marc Gravell
The system knows...
 
Erick Robertson
Erick Robertson
The system should start telling us.
 
Lasse V. Karlsen
Lasse V. Karlsen
You'll only take Billy over my dead body!!!11
 
Harry Gindi
Harry Gindi
11:09 AM
by the way, why why does this keep happening: every time somebody stars a new post, it reloads the entire list and lags my browser to death
2
 
Erick Robertson
Erick Robertson
I have a 6:30 AM meeting with the CTO in 20 minutes. I don't really want to get into anything too heavy... gotta figure out what to work on
 
Marc Gravell
Marc Gravell
well, the stars are about the conversation, not the people. There are multiple ways of getting at the starred points from a chat.
 
Erick Robertson
Erick Robertson
@HarryGindi because Opera sucks?
 
Harry Gindi
Harry Gindi
@Erick: you suck
 
Erick Robertson
Erick Robertson
wow, how did I know?
 
Marc Gravell
Marc Gravell
11:10 AM
@Harry - at the moment, that is simply the way the RHS is implemented. We can of course tweak it. Or; don't "show 234 more"...
I'll take a note of that to investigate.
 
balpha
balpha
@HarryGindi watch it
 
Erick Robertson
Erick Robertson
Maybe there should be an option to keep the chat history trimmed to 25 messages
 
Marc Gravell
Marc Gravell
@ErickRobertson it starts at 100, but yes that might be a practical consideration.
 
Erick Robertson
Erick Robertson
so who pays you, Marc?
 
Harry Gindi
Harry Gindi
@ErickRobertson: How did you know, meanwhile?
I assume because somebody came in here earlier and asked the same thing, but if not, I am curious.
Anyway, I loaded the chat in firefox, and it's still lagging to death
 
Erick Robertson
Erick Robertson
11:16 AM
@HarryGindi That's because 600 MHz isn't fast anymore.
@MarcGravell HarryGindi - this message I replied to is where Marc stated he was paid.
For the record, I'm running the chat in Firefox 3.6.8 (Latest), and I have been for days without problems. I'm on a system that's at least a year old, and I'm also running remote desktop, SQL Server Mgmt Studio, Photoshop, and an X client.
 
Harry Gindi
Harry Gindi
@Erick: I'm using a laptop because I'm home for the summer. My main box is up in michigan.
 
Erick Robertson
Erick Robertson
DING!
 
Harry Gindi
Harry Gindi
Yes, it's crappy
 
Erick Robertson
Erick Robertson
And do you still have Opera running in the background? :)
or have you task switched out of WoW?
 
Harry Gindi
Harry Gindi
but why should I need something more recent than 1995 for chat?
I don't play WoW
 
Erick Robertson
Erick Robertson
11:20 AM
because this is web chat
 
Harry Gindi
Harry Gindi
and I closed opera =p
precisely my point from the beginning
 
Erick Robertson
Erick Robertson
I can't believe that I knew you were running Opera.
I never saw you say it. :)
 
Harry Gindi
Harry Gindi
I know
 
Marc Gravell
Marc Gravell
@ErickRobertson I work for stackoverflow...
 
Erick Robertson
Erick Robertson
I guess I've just gathered a flavor for the type of person that runs it.
 
Harry Gindi
Harry Gindi
11:21 AM
I was impressed
Probably not
 
Erick Robertson
Erick Robertson
@MarcGravell So when are the ads coming in here?
 
Harry Gindi
Harry Gindi
Opera was awesome as hell back in the day circa 2002-2003
I will agree that it has gotten pretty bloated and crappy
 
Erick Robertson
Erick Robertson
With all due respect, Opera was never "awesome as hell"
 
balpha
balpha
 
Harry Gindi
Harry Gindi
It sure was
 
Piers Myers
Piers Myers
11:22 AM
oh no it wasn't
 
wds
wds
mouse gestures is the one thing people tried to sell me opera on, but I never tried it that intensively
 
Harry Gindi
Harry Gindi
Opera 7 vs firebird vs IE vs mozilla, opera was the best at the time
=p
 
Erick Robertson
Erick Robertson
I could never figure out how to turn off that damn border, or for that matter to make Opera render pages like every other browser.
 
Lasse V. Karlsen
Lasse V. Karlsen
Opera might be best to some users, not to everyone
 
Harry Gindi
Harry Gindi
@Lasse: I'm saying that at the time it was the best
the only contender there at all was firebird
 
Benjol
Benjol
11:24 AM
@wds, I've got them in firefox, and for me they've been like the scroll wheel - so natural I keep trying to use them everywhere (upvoting has the same problem :)
 
Erick Robertson
Erick Robertson
If you want proof that Opera was never awesome, do this. Open a question on StackOverflow "Has Opera ever been awesome?" It'll get closed in about five minutes. Just watch.
 
Harry Gindi
Harry Gindi
That's because that question is not appropriate for stackoverflow
 
Erick Robertson
Erick Robertson
facepalm
 
Harry Gindi
Harry Gindi
=p
I'm part of the NARQ squad on MO
 
Erick Robertson
Erick Robertson
And we wonder how I knew you used Opera.
 
Harry Gindi
Harry Gindi
11:25 AM
the enforcement arm of the NARQ society, previously known as the Old Boys' Network
 
Erick Robertson
Erick Robertson
Well, it's been an entertaining fifteen minutes, but I have a 6:30 AM meeting :)
 
wds
wds
@Benjol which addon?
 
Lasse V. Karlsen
Lasse V. Karlsen
 
Harry Gindi
Harry Gindi
@wds: there are plenty of mouse gesture extensions for firefox
and they're all pretty good
 
Benjol
Benjol
 
wds
wds
11:27 AM
@Benjol thanks
 
Harry Gindi
Harry Gindi
the only reason I still use opera anymore is that you can "allow window with no tabs"
if someone can figure out how to put that behavior in firefox
 
Lasse V. Karlsen
Lasse V. Karlsen
You mean like the app windows in Chrome? Just a window for a single website/page?
 
Harry Gindi
Harry Gindi
I would switch in an instant
no
 
Benjol
Benjol
@wds, there are more options in there than I know what to do with, but it's the first one I tried and it works for me, so I never looked any further.
 
Harry Gindi
Harry Gindi
It means that if you close the last tab you have open
the program still stays open and has a gray empty window behind it
I know how I could hack it if I could program
open up a hidden tab that displays a gray color
 
Piers Myers
Piers Myers
11:30 AM
Firefox stays open if you close all the tabs
 
Harry Gindi
Harry Gindi
you can't close the final tab
there's no way to close it
 
Benjol
Benjol
@HarryGindi, lifehacker.com/5306497/… (Untested, Google told me)
 
Piers Myers
Piers Myers
why would you want to, just close the browser
 
wds
wds
I think ctrl-w closes the browser if on last tab
 
Benjol
Benjol
@PiersMyers, bad question...
 
Harry Gindi
Harry Gindi
11:31 AM
@Benjol: thanks!
 
Benjol
Benjol
btw @HarryGindi, if you click on the little arrow next to each message, you can do an explicit reply, which links your post that message.
When you rollover an @name message, you can see which one it was replying to
 
Harry Gindi
Harry Gindi
I am not going to use this dinky little trackpad to move the mouse if I can help it
oh, how can I move the tab bar to the bottom of the screen in firefox?
or like, change what buttons there are in the mainbar?
 
Piers Myers
Piers Myers
@HarryGindi try the Tab Mix Plus add-on
 
Harry Gindi
Harry Gindi
@Pie: A further question: is it worth using the tm+ session manager? Are there any advantages?
 
Piers Myers
Piers Myers
@HarryGindi yes, it is a great extension for managing your tabs, give it a try. If you don't like it then remove it, simple
 
Harry Gindi
Harry Gindi
11:40 AM
No, no no. There is a session manager in addition to the extra tab options
 
Piers Myers
Piers Myers
@HarryGindi I also use the Operetta theme to make my Firefox look like Opera :)
 
Harry Gindi
Harry Gindi
All-in-one sidebar as well?
for downloads
 
Piers Myers
Piers Myers
@HarryGindi I use all-in-one sidebar, tm+ and Session Manager (plus about another 50 extensions)
 
Harry Gindi
Harry Gindi
I don't see how to drop the tab bar to the bottom through tm+
 
Piers Myers
Piers Myers
in options->Display->Tab Bar - select 'Postion' Bottom
having Multi-row option is pretty useful too
 
Harry Gindi
Harry Gindi
11:45 AM
Can I get rid of the google search bar in FF and replace it with the "search by first letter" thingy?
from the main address bar
 
devinb
devinb
you can replace what search engine is in that box.
 
Harry Gindi
Harry Gindi
that's not what I asked.
 
devinb
devinb
I didn't understand what you asked.
 
Harry Gindi
Harry Gindi
Opera has this awesome thing where if you want to search wikipedia, you click the address bar and type in "w foo"
or google is "g foo"
and you can add new ones and get rid of the old ones
 
devinb
devinb
AH! I'm not familiar with opera, but I'm fairly sure that someone has created a firefox plug-in for that. But yeah, I would have no idea where to get it. sorry man.
 
Harry Gindi
Harry Gindi
11:47 AM
it makes the separate search bar pointless
that's why I want to remove the search bar and the home button as well
 
Piers Myers
Piers Myers
are you running at a screen resolution of 800x600?
 
Harry Gindi
Harry Gindi
No, but those things bother me
 
Piers Myers
Piers Myers
have you tried Google Chrome? It has one search bar
 
Harry Gindi
Harry Gindi
google chrome is garbage
and it defeats the point of me changing browsers
since it doesn't support mathml
If it weren't for the fact that opera's support for mathML is dismal, I would not have decided to switch ten minutes ago
Basically, the devs at opera said that they have no intention of adding mathml support, so I'm not going to use opera anymore
 
devinb
devinb
@Harry you can remove the search bar and the home button.
 
Harry Gindi
Harry Gindi
11:54 AM
Got it.
 
devinb
devinb
:)
 
Benjol
Benjol
@HarryGindi, maybe you want to check out YubNub
 
Piers Myers
Piers Myers
get rid of all your toolbars and use the Ubiquity extension
 
devinb
devinb
@Harry, and in firefox you can customize which search engine it uses by default in the address bar.
but you can't do the one letter thing you were describing (as far as I know)
 
Harry Gindi
Harry Gindi
I had an extension that did it at one point
 
Piers Myers
Piers Myers
11:57 AM
smart keywords explained here: johnbokma.com/firefox/keymarks-explained.html
 
Benjol
Benjol
@devinb, with yubnub you get close - though it's in the search box, not the address box
 
devinb
devinb
@benjol cool
 
Harry Gindi
Harry Gindi
12:10 PM
@Piers nice
@Piers: How does one add inline searching with "." and disable the idiotic superbar
 
Piers Myers
Piers Myers
@HarryGindi no idea, try searching for it in Google (or whatever you favourite search engine is)
 
Harry Gindi
Harry Gindi
I can't find out how to disable the dropdown on the address bar
err
figure out
got it
it's in the history menu of all places =\
 
Piers Myers
Piers Myers
@HarryGindi learn how to program and create your own applications ("with blackjack and hookers! In fact, forget the applications!")
 
Harry Gindi
Harry Gindi
Nah, I'd rather not. I've got too much else to do
 
devinb
devinb
12:28 PM
 
Harry Gindi
Harry Gindi
well, neato, it looks pretty similar to opera
 
Piers Myers
Piers Myers
@devinb no, this:
 
Harry Gindi
Harry Gindi
All I need now is the ability to have a "background" tab that I can hide behind everything so I can minimize tabs.
 
rchern
rchern
@Harry, MathML doesn't work in Chrome because it isn't supported by WebKit iirc.
 
devinb
devinb
12:43 PM
@PiersMyers Well, yes, obviously I recognize that they're different quotes =P
 
Michael Haren
Michael Haren
12:58 PM
What's the verb form of applying a rom to a device? e.g., I want to say, I rooted and rommed? my phone. this must be obvious...?
 
balpha
balpha
flash
 
Michael Haren
Michael Haren
ah yes, thank you
 
Michael Mrozek
Michael Mrozek
1:42 PM
There's been a sudden influx of SO discussion questions being posted on Reddit, which then turn into Reddit discussions. I'm not sure if this is funny or depressing, since I generally try and get people to start those discussions on Reddit in the first place
 
balpha
balpha
got an example?
 
Michael Mrozek
Michael Mrozek
(those are the two I just read; there were a couple yesterday too)
 
balpha
balpha
interesting
 
devinb
devinb
2:00 PM
Hey @Balpha do you have access to the raw DB?
Or... does the datadump include close votes and timestamps?
 
Michael Mrozek
Michael Mrozek
@devinb No, just the timestamp when the post actually closed
 
devinb
devinb
I was just curious how many 3kers routinely use their powers and how often.
I would assume that most of them have a flurry of close votes around the time they hit 3k, and then it abruptly decreases.
 
badp
badp
How would you tag a question about "Mukashi Mukashi Arutokoro ni Totetsumonaku Naka no Warui Twintail no Shimai Himesama ga Irasshaimashitatosa"?
Apparently it's a videogame
Chances are the title length was reasonable before the romanization :/
 
Lasse V. Karlsen
Lasse V. Karlsen
The tag for that would be: "ga"
 
badp
badp
I'll settle for mmantnnwtnshgi
 
balpha
balpha
2:13 PM
 
devinb
devinb
I meant read access :p
by the by, I fully support that blog post, however allowing developers access to raw datadumps is also critical for bug-fixes.
 
balpha
balpha
agreed, but I'm not working on SO core at the moment
 
devinb
devinb
As a former maintenance coder, I assure you that the environments where I was allowed to look but not touch were wildly more stable than the environments where they beat us away with sticks.
@balpha it was a long shot. I just had some curiosity.
 
balpha
balpha
but I'm pretty sure the data dump does include close votes
I think the timestamps are rounded to a full day, but that should suffice
 
devinb
devinb
Yeah, it would.
I'll have to check that out.
 
Michael Haren
Michael Haren
2:20 PM
@balpha this chat is pretty amazing. I'd love to see a montage that shows how it progressed. e.g. a series of screenshots that capture the design and feature evolution -- that could make a pretty cool presentation, actually
 
balpha
balpha
let's just say it used to be a lot uglier :)
but thanks for kudos
 
devinb
devinb
ahem shouldn't chat feedback be kept in chat feedback? I'll kick you if I have to!
also. Can I have the power to kick people...?
whistles innocently
 
Michael Haren
Michael Haren
@devinb fair enough, my apologies
 
George Marian
George Marian
heh
 
balpha
balpha
@MichaelHaren for what?
 
devinb
devinb
2:24 PM
@Geo
Flag this as spam
2
Q: The count of flagged posts seem decreased

kiamlalunoOn english.stackexchange.com, I have access to the moderation tools, and I have noticed that the number of flagged posts was first 5, and now it's 4. How is this possible? As far I can see, it's only possible to flag a post, not to remove the flag added to a post. I tried selecting 30d, 14d, ...

support 10k-tools flags
we're running an experiment
 
George Marian
George Marian
eh?
 
Popular Demand
Popular Demand
@badp I'm considering taking that bet.
 
George Marian
George Marian
the meta post?
 
devinb
devinb
aye
thatI linked to.
@GeorgeMarian yes
 
George Marian
George Marian
Ok, ok. It's too early in the morning. :)
 
Popular Demand
Popular Demand
2:29 PM
@devinb Do you require an additional flag?
 
George Marian
George Marian
one can flag the same post multiple times? or is it just a UI thing?
 
devinb
devinb
we need a spam flag on grace's post
just one will do :)
 
George Marian
George Marian
@devinb Well, then...learn to link ;)
 
Popular Demand
Popular Demand
@devinb Great, I wanted to flag that post anyways. I'm on it.
 
George Marian
George Marian
ok, done
 
devinb
devinb
2:30 PM
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A: The count of flagged posts seem decreased

Grace NoteTo add on the other answers, diamonds actually can clear flags. Also, a post that gets rolled back will clear offensive flags. I can't flag my own post as offensive or spam. But I do need at least one revision to actual roll back from! And on a completely unrelated and spammy note, people shou...

@george it appears that you're right... shocking :p
 
George Marian
George Marian
lol
Why is it shocking? :P
 
devinb
devinb
whistles innocently
 
Popular Demand
Popular Demand
Is there a way to get from "recent highlights" back to the current chat without going through Rooms List or another third place (no pun intended)?
 
balpha
balpha
there's an "all" button where the "highlights" button was before
 
Popular Demand
Popular Demand
@balpha Not so; I still have "recent highlights."
And yes, clicking it just reloads "recent highlights."
 
balpha
balpha
2:41 PM
oh, sorry
you went through the menu
yeah, that should probably change
 
Popular Demand
Popular Demand
There's another entry point?
 
balpha
balpha
yes, at the very top of the chat
 
Popular Demand
Popular Demand
@balpha Oh, that thing.
I always forget it's up there, hidden behind the scrollable area.
You may be happy to know those buttons do work on my machine.
 
balpha
balpha
yes! my life is finally complete!
 
Popular Demand
Popular Demand
@balpha What will you do now?
 
balpha
balpha
2:44 PM
I don't know... Politics, maybe? Paleonthology?
 
Popular Demand
Popular Demand
What, they don't have Disneylands where you live?
Not even a Disney embassy or consulate nearby?
 
Fosco
Fosco
2
Q: MySQL row number

cypherHi, say I have a MySQL query, for example SELECT id, name, surname FROM employees ORDER BY id the result woud be id name surname 1 Peter Smith 2 John Banjo ... 1384 Will Levenstein While this is an ordered query, I can always assume (as long as I don't change the t...

mysql ordering
why lord why...
my brain hemorrhages
 
wds
wds
still says highlights here, that button
or maybe I'm looking at the wrong button
 
balpha
balpha
it should say "highlights" when you're in normal mode and "all" when you're in highlights mode
 
devinb
devinb
3:11 PM
@balpha Unfortunately, the datadump does not include the UserId of the close voter.
 
balpha
balpha
no, of course not
I thought you just wanted a general "close votes per day" count
 
devinb
devinb
@balpha No I was actually curious about the makeup of a 3k user. Do they continually close vote, or do they take the new feature out for a spin, and then never use it again.
 
George Marian
George Marian
Many miles to go before I sleep...
bbl
 
devinb
devinb
@balpha It's been pointed out (somewhere) that the information is ostensibly public, because they publish the usernames once it is closed.
 
balpha
balpha
does the API give "closed by"?
 
devinb
devinb
3:14 PM
Not sure, I'm just looking at the datadump.
 
balpha
balpha
hmm, no, it doesn't
 
Shog9
Shog9
this has come up on Meta a few times. Close stats are pretty much impossible.
 
devinb
devinb
Maybe I can bribe @waffles.
into running the query for me.
 
Popular Demand
Popular Demand
@devinb Devil's advocate: That argument doesn't take into account the votes cast on questions that are not ultimately closed.
 
devinb
devinb
@balpha Who would you say is the most corrupt (or corruptible) SO employee??
 
Popular Demand
Popular Demand
3:19 PM
@devinb How does one bribe waffles? Maple syrup? The promise of not being eaten? The promise that they will be enjoyed when eaten?
 
devinb
devinb
@Popular That's why I said "ostensibly".
People have made the argument that they are public, and I don't necessarily agree. People could commence retaliations against even failed close attempts. However, in my case (I'm special) I was insinuating that I would craft a query and then someone with DB access would choose whether or not they thought it was acceptable.
@PopularDemand True, better than a bribe would be the threat of withholding maple syrup!
 
Popular Demand
Popular Demand
@devinb I'll have to work this into my paper on SO psychology.
 
devinb
devinb
Which part? "I'm so special", "the rules don't apply to me", "it's not public until 4 people agree with me", "SO employees decide what information is public", "threaten to withhold maple syrup"?
 
Popular Demand
Popular Demand
@devinb Mouseover to see what I was replying to. Or click the "this is a reply to" arrow.
 
Michael Haren
Michael Haren
@devinb that's a pretty good summary of the last 50 messages..
 
Popular Demand
Popular Demand
3:24 PM
@devinb What would you call this person? A Devalued Associate?
 
devinb
devinb
@PopularDemand Community Liason.
@PopularDemand @Marc's ears were burning.
 
Michael Haren
Michael Haren
@PopularDemand how about "former associate"
 
Popular Demand
Popular Demand
Ah, The Tavern, wherein the great Stack Exchange questions of our time are pondered.
 
Darrel Miller
Darrel Miller
What happened to the link that allows me to edit a tag wiki ?
 
Popular Demand
Popular Demand
Is there a real name for the "this is a reply to" arrow? I've just been calling it the "left turn arrow" so far.
@DarrelMiller Do you no longer meet the requirements to edit a tag wiki?
"Tag wikis can be edited by users with more than 2000 reputation, provided:
They are in the top 20 answerers for this tag or
They have more than 100 answer upvotes in this tag"
I give up. That's supposed to be a blockquote.
 
Shog9
Shog9
3:31 PM
multi-line mode in chat is not as useful as it would at first seem to be
 
Joe Phillips
Joe Phillips
why
do
you
say
that?
 
Popular Demand
Popular Demand
@JoePhillips Because it has little positive utility, and it gives rise to abuse like you just committed.
 
Shog9
Shog9
@JoePhillips because as soon as you add a second line, most of the markdown that would benefit from multiple lines doesn' t work
> blockquote (yay!)
 
Darrel Miller
Darrel Miller
I'm pretty sure I still meet the requirements. I'm top answerer and more than 400 upvotes.
 
Shog9
Shog9
> no
block
quote (boo)
@DarrelMiller link...
 
Joe Phillips
Joe Phillips
3:33 PM
> fail
> quote?
 
Darrel Miller
Darrel Miller
Ok, forget it.
Either I'm really dense, or it magically just reappeared
I'm going to go for, the "it magically just re-appeared" :-)
 
Shog9
Shog9
don't forget, this stuff split up a lot in the last day
 
devinb
devinb
no
Wait... how do I multi-line mode?
 
Shog9
Shog9
shift+enter
 
devinb
devinb
shift +
enter?
Oh. yeah, that did it.
 
Shog9
Shog9
3:36 PM
<kbd>shift</kbd>... HEY, BALPHA! NEED KBD SUPPORT!
 
devinb
devinb
you need to @ him.
 
Shog9
Shog9
you @ him
 
devinb
devinb
@Shog9 @balpha Shog9 requests you at this location
 
balpha
balpha
status-declined
 
Shog9
Shog9
status-oh-but-how-will-we-cope
 
devinb
devinb
3:38 PM
status-booze-drugs-and-women
 
Shog9
Shog9
speaking of which... @balpha: the chat FAQ is sadly lacking in anchors.
 
Popular Demand
Popular Demand
@devinb @balpha This is not a deathtrap in any way. There will be cake.
 
balpha
balpha
@Shog9 yes
 
Shog9
Shog9
and `id`s <-- and that regexp still sucks
 
devinb
devinb
I didn't get it until a month ago.
 
Popular Demand
Popular Demand
3:53 PM
@devinb Per the last panel, you are ahead of schedule. Please slow down.
 
devinb
devinb
@popular I didn't even realize which game the comic referred to, until right at the end.
the end of the game, not the comic.
well.... both, I suppose.
 
Shog9
Shog9
honestly? Never knew it had any connection to gaming. Awesome metaphor though.
 
Popular Demand
Popular Demand
@devinb Wow. I must have hung out in college around with people who were even geeky by programmer standards.
 
Popular Demand
Popular Demand
4:16 PM
Quiet day.
 
Troggy
Troggy
@Popular So what your saying is people are working?
 
Popular Demand
Popular Demand
@Troggy Perhaps. I wonder what that means about yesterday and Tuesday.
 
Joe Phillips
Joe Phillips
I'm just reading reddit
 
wds
wds
stop reading reddit and get to work dammit!
/me is going home tho
 
Shog9
Shog9
4:38 PM
stop reading reddit and go read comments on youtube, dammit!
 
Popular Demand
Popular Demand
@Shog9 And xkcd in 3... 2...
 
Troggy
Troggy
@Devin That comic was me until last week. Finally ordered a nice machine to play a few newer titles in their full glory.
 
Popular Demand
Popular Demand
Now there's a question for Gaming SE. "Wats better PC gaming or console gaming in every case ever kthxbbai"
 
Shog9
Shog9
i'd sign up to answer that
;-p
 
Popular Demand
Popular Demand
I think Grace Note might actually hunt me down and kill me if I posted that.
 
Shog9
Shog9
4:50 PM
wait, they have mouses and keyboards for consoles now don't they...
might be a tough choice
 
Popular Demand
Popular Demand
7
A: What to do with old laptop screens?

th3dudeIf you have the time and money, you could build a portable XBOX 360/Playstation 3, like this guy did.

 
Shog9
Shog9
yerg...
i think i can trace my current lack of interest in gaming back to the first day I saw my roommates playing Halo with that horrible xbox controller.
 
Popular Demand
Popular Demand
I missed that generation.
 
Shog9
Shog9
you didn't miss anything good
 
mmyers
mmyers
When one says "gaming", is one automatically assumed to be speaking of console gaming?
 
Fosco
Fosco
4:55 PM
@shog9 I laughed hard when I logged in this morning and saw your comment about me being the 'resident nhibernate expert' :)
 
Popular Demand
Popular Demand
@mmyers I don't think one can, if for no other reason than the cross-platform nature of many games.
 
Shog9
Shog9
@Fosco HA!
wondered if you'd catch that... Was half-hoping the dude would still be around, waiting for you...
 
Fosco
Fosco
hahaha
 
Joe Phillips
Joe Phillips
@Fosco that was me asking about it
im still waiting
 
Shog9
Shog9
THERE HE IS! RUUUN!
 
Fosco
Fosco
4:57 PM
@JoePhillips oh Hi Joe.. Shog9 was just kidding.. I am the anti-ORM commentator.
@JoePhillips Whatever it is you're doing with it... stop and just use SQL the way it was meant to be.
@JoePhillips You don't need an abstraction layer and not everything needs to be an object.
* This is all just my [subjective] [opinion]
 
Joe Phillips
Joe Phillips
thats what i was going to do but it will take a lot longer
 
Fosco
Fosco
It might take longer, but it will work.
Reliably and sensibly, without any of the ORM's baggage or bugs.
 
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