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Starship

01:22

The WMF has somehow managed to be more idiotic than Stack Exchange...remind me to never edit there again...see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…

Journeyman Geek

01:33

looking at the bbc article...

bbc.com/news/articles/cdrdydkypv7o

I really don't see what other options wikimedia has

Starship

02:22

@JourneymanGeek Refuse to disclose users personal information sounds like an option (and the only sensible one)

Journeyman Geek

@Starship with a court order?

Depends, on if you like dying on hills

So couple of things - SE has in better trustier days released information on users with a court order - the silkroad case used that

Its a court order so wikimedia is legally obliged to, or gets blocked. India also <citation needed>, if I recall correctly, insists on having a legal representative for internet services above a certain size, essentially so there's someone liable for legal issues like this

Short of cutting off access to a whole country, and showing contempt for the courts, there's not much wikimedia can do

Starship

02:40

@JourneymanGeek The silkroad case, as far as I know, was a legimitamate investigation of a drug dealer, not a corrupt undemocratic attack on random innocent users for posting something neutral...

@JourneymanGeek WMF has lost access to whole countries (and they always tend to allow them back though, with a few exceptions), but they haven't lost access to their core principles. I'd say the second is better.

Journeyman Geek

@Starship I donno, saying a news organisation is a government mouthpiece may not be neutral

and you're saying somehow the american legal system is 'more trustworthy' than the indian one with no proof

Starship

@JourneymanGeek There isn't much proof I could possibly give (other than its generally considered to be that way, and there much more corruption and government control in India)

Journeyman Geek

Starship

@JourneymanGeek Calling something what it is when supported by reliable sources is neutral...in the same way that calling ISIS attacks terror attacks is neutral...

Journeyman Geek

@Starship - but is it? Also wikipedia's defence isn't that its the truth, but rather they have no control over whats on there

Starship

03:30

@JourneymanGeek Because everyone believes in a different truth...also it wouldn't be reasonable for SO to have been sued for the silk road thing either

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

04:19

Wikipedia talk:2024 open letter to the Wikimedia Foundation

Almost 400 signatures signed by established editors and multiple admins. Perhaps it's time for WMF to make a statement on the situation. Ratnahastin (talk) 02:48, 9 November 2024 (UTC) Somebody tag WMFOffice please Djano Chained (talk) 14:10, 9 November 2024 (UTC) 400+ now. At the present rate of growth, I estimate we'll have 500+ signatures in a little more than ten hours, but it'll probably slow a bit, so make it twelve or so. In the last ten hours, we've had an average of 5 new sigs/hr. In the first ten hours after the signature opened, that was closer to 18. Cremastra (u — c) 15:12, 9 November...

> The Foundation refused to [disclose the info], and appealed the order. That appeal came to a close without requiring that data be disclosed to ANI

Jeremy

04:56

In August 2012 I got into dev.stackoveflow (whose database was forked from a slightly stale copy of prod) and retagged every question I’d answered with the “hacker” tag, intending for the system to grant me a “hacker” tag badge, as the closest I could get to the real thing. Sadly, that badge task wasn’t running on dev.so, so I just looked like a goofball. Jeff alluded to it vaguely on the podcast. — Jeremy 4 mins ago

Pardon my vanity I’m in a nostalgic mood

Petəíŕd the Wizard

07:18

Ugh. I hate caching.

Elements In Space

07:50

@PetəíŕdtheWizard As an Australian I’ve always pronounced “cache” as /kay·sh/ whereas others dialects of English all seem to pronounce it as /ka·sh/ (like “cash”).

Shadow Wizard

@ElementsInSpace for me it's just "kesh" (same as the pronounce of "cash"). Fun related trivia: the word "kash" in Hebrew (קש) means "straw" in English. :-D

@Jeremy :-D

Shadow Wizard

08:30

gone already

I always wondered, is there a point giving "gone" feedback to Smokey? @Elements @cocomac what do you think?

Elements In Space

I think all posts on meta smoke should get at least two reviewers, because reviewers can make mistakes.

Shadow Wizard

@ElementsInSpace true, but not really related to the "gone". ;)

Also, it's not like SE review, Smokey report doesn't have "completed" state.

Perhaps in case of user with more than X rep it will be better to change the code to require at least two "fp" to add the user to blacklist.

cocomac

08:49

@ShadowWizard Not sure what you mean. I wouldn't reply to the SD report with that (as it would add it to the MS record), but if someone posts a "still up"-type message, I think replying to that message is reasonable if I cast the final flag to remove the post assuming it isn't against a given chatroom's rules. IIRC there's some checking to display when a post is deleted in metasmoke but I don't recall the details.

Shadow Wizard

09:02

@cocomac ah, I just mean what's the purpose of the "gone" related to SD itself, or the MS report. e.g. would it be visible anywhere on MS that I gave "gone" feedback?

I mean as actual feedback like the "k", not as comment.

But guess I can just read it in the docs again, let me see...

!!/help

SmokeDetector

@ShadowWizard I'm SmokeDetector, a bot that detects spam and offensive posts on the network and posts alerts to chat. A command list is available here.

Shadow Wizard

ah oops.

> Deletes a message of SmokeDetector

For some reason I remembered it being as a way to signal that the post being reported is gone. Oh well. Thanks anyway @cocomac :)

cocomac

@ShadowWizard Ohh, I see. I forgot about that alias. I'm not very familiar with deleting SD messages or how it detects post deletion (beyond that it can somehow), so if you're interested in more details, you may need to ask in CHQ.

Shadow Wizard

@cocomac nah, I'm good. But you deserve a...

!!/coffee coco

SmokeDetector

@ShadowWizard brews a cup of cappuccino for @coco

Shadow Wizard

09:08

Nice.

until the script will take it away

cocomac

09:20

@ShadowWizard Thanks @ShadowWizard - that's super nice! <3

Shadow Wizard

09:48

@cocomac oh wow, Smokey actually made you IRL coffee! bows before the Great Smokey

:-D

balpha

HELLO, I'M TALKING TO YOU FROM THE CLOUD

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Shadow Wizard

yayayaya!

(sound of "yay" while falling from a cloud)

Journeyman Geek

@balpha Seems a bit vaporous.

balpha

no it's fluffy!

Tinkeringbell

Dear God...

Shadow Wizard

09:55

Beware the birds.

Tinkeringbell

no smiting please

Journeyman Geek

I'm still a little amused that I'm not all NOOOOOOO about this

cocomac

@ShadowWizard Ended up making tea as I'm heading off to bed, but I'll be back again tomorrow

Shadow Wizard

10:15

@cocomac night! :)

@balpha can the Chicken also ~~fly~~ talk from the cloud? ;)

Chicken

☁️

4

Shadow Wizard

yay

Glad it's not 🌧️!

Forgot my umbrella at home, ya know.

Elements In Space

10:32

In other news, I got the Alien Quadrilogy boxed set at the Op-shop today — unopened, and for less than the cost of a small coffee.

Shadow Wizard

@ElementsInSpace huh? Looks like it costs $60. Coffee is really expensive in your place. ;-)

Elements In Space

I paid $4.

Shadow Wizard

@ElementsInSpace sounds odd... how you got such discount?

</envy> ;)

ordering things via @ElementsInSpace from now on :D

Elements In Space

It was previously owned; I bought it from an op-shop (AKA a thrift store).

Shadow Wizard

ah, missed that part. Nice!

eh, found it for $10 but shipping costs $70

O.o

Elements In Space

10:41

I’ll lend you my copy when I’ve finished watching it. But you’ll have to send back when you’re done. And cover the shipping, both ways.

Journeyman Geek

uphill, in the snow

Shadow Wizard

@ElementsInSpace heh, first need to see if my DVD still working, didn't use it for.... oh my... 6-8 years. :D

Petəíŕd the Wizard

@ShadowWizard rofl

Shadow Wizard

But if it does, that's a good idea. Thanks in Advantage! :P

Petəíŕd the Wizard

gasps

Shadow Wizard

10:47

yawns

Petəíŕd the Wizard

I've recently seen this:

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Q: No Thanks, Damn It!

For a while this year, I was on a crusade, editing posts to remove "Thanks". But there were far too many of those posts. So I started to remove "Thanks in advance". But there were too many of those. So I started to remove "Thanks in advanced", which in addition to being inappropriate for Stack...

> Thanks in advantage

> Thanks in advanced

;)

Shadow Wizard

@PetəíŕdtheWizard gold!

Petəíŕd the Wizard

lol

tries to recall what bug I was thinking about

Shadow Wizard

!!/afk merging two C# projects into one. Nasty but not very.

SmokeDetector

@ShadowWizard No such command 'afk'.

Shadow Wizard

10:58

:(

Elements In Space

@PetəíŕdtheWizard 𓆣

Shadow Wizard

> Lotus flower (hieroglyph)

Petəíŕd the Wizard

@ElementsInSpace 🐛

For some reason 🐛 is called bug. 🪲 is called beetle.

Shadow Wizard

ah found the real one.

> Representing a scarab beetle (Scarabaeus sacer). The phonogrammatic value of ḫpr is derived by the rebus principle from its use as a logogram for ḫprr (“scarab beetle”).

Petəíŕd the Wizard

rofrpip

Shadow Wizard

11:01

Better!

Petəíŕd the Wizard

rofl

Shadow Wizard

Big bug.

Petəíŕd the Wizard

@Sha U2FsdGVkX19BYCZrQltokNIow0Le0VIMv5GCsmSvpyCvFer4WtWi/VAXtnNuc1DP4GoUCF3NYLGtyopKQzue29Ucg8QQqEccEcgEtapeNLU=

Shadow Wizard

@PetəíŕdtheWizard :D

Elements In Space

different font

Petəíŕd the Wizard

11:05

lol

Are we sharing bugs now?

Shadow Wizard

@PetəíŕdtheWizard we share fonts

@ElementsInSpace what's your font?

Petəíŕd the Wizard

gasps

@ShadowWizard 'Verdana, Arial, sans-serif'

Boring font.

Or...

Elements In Space

Veranda: weight 400, size 12px

Petəíŕd the Wizard

Now try guessing what font my old Chrome uses.

Elements In Space

Arial?

Petəíŕd the Wizard

11:11

</not-a-question>

@ElementsInSpace arial

Or Verdana.

!!/blame

SmokeDetector

@PetəíŕdtheWizard It's SmokeDetector's fault.

Shadow Wizard

12:04

urghhh

blames @Pet for all dem bugz

Petəíŕd the Wizard

rofl

good old VS

I even learned it a bit two years ago. ;)

Shadow Wizard

Hey, not so old. 2019

Though I almost had to work with VS2005.

(week ago)

Petəíŕd the Wizard

2019? 5 years ago already.

@ShadowWizard almost? ;)

Shadow Wizard

@PetəíŕdtheWizard Compared to what we used to work with.... brand new. :P

Petəíŕd the Wizard

lol :D

Shadow Wizard

12:06

@PetəíŕdtheWizard yeah, luckily it was spared as they found a way to connect with C# and not only C++.

Petəíŕd the Wizard

ah

Shadow Wizard

Actually the C# module is using modules written in C++, at first it didn't connect properly.

Time to use array instead of separate variable for each connection.

Petəíŕd the Wizard

hands @Sha a cup of cQuery

Shadow Wizard

too hot

Petəíŕd the Wizard

hands @Sha my ice-cold hands

I wash them with very cold water.

Shadow Wizard

12:21

becomes Frozen Shadow

Petəíŕd the Wizard

unfreezes @Shadow with breath

Shadow Wizard

yay

balpha

15:31

Hold on to your hats, you're all going to the cloud now!

Spevacus

🌥️

balpha

15:46

You're in the cloud, btw. It wasn't very spectacular -- someone clicked a button and that was it 😅

Spevacus

Holy moly we're SOARING.

chat.SE next? Or is all of chat on the cloud now?

balpha

no just chat.meta -- we're about to send 20% of chat.se traffic to GCP

canon

it was already the cloud as far as we were concerned. The cloud was always just somebody else's machine on the internet. 😂

balpha

(all websockets are still down on earth, btw -- we're doing those last)

canon

@balpha websockets, you say? bring back Stack Egg™. Crush the cloud.

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