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12:18 AM
@rene I think you have the expertise to review this suggested edit: meta.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/89415
 
 
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4:44 AM
@MetaAndrewT. Leaving Indonesia now. Was quite great!
 
@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog Great to hear that you enjoyed it, have a safe trip :)
 
5:08 AM
15 messages moved to Chimney
 
6:04 AM
@JourneymanGeek chatting while being in jail
 
6:58 AM
@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog technically correct. I pondered on adding it to the change notice for the new index but it is so insignificant of a change that I didn't bother to add it.
the only case where you could get confused is when you add an index hint to the query to force it to use ix_user_emailhash. But if you're down that rabbit hole you've bigger problems.
 
7:53 AM
@All ^
You're welcome.
 
brb, buying a toaster
 
I mean I guess it'll eventually zap away all the stress... and you only need to use it once...
 
To be honest, it's not my own and not new, Google "fixed" it since then by manually removing such replies. lol
But the internet is now full with those, proofs how terrible AI search is.
 
8:08 AM
can't get them all :D
 
But they try.
And like SE, they don't even consider simply, well, rollback the terrible decision.
 
@AndreasmovedtoCodidact Actual reality imho is that "Tim's key" is a passive aggressive way to use "Appeal to ridicule" to shut off any (sometime valid) argument about voting.
More often than not people will tell you that voting should be made according to some quality standard and that doing the opposite is ground for moderation action. At the same time, the SAME people will haply point at Tim's key as a way to justify any vote because "Everyone is entitled to vote as they wish"
Basically, "Tim's key" serves two purposes:
- works as a seemly polityeway to basically tell people "grow a spine, kiddo, you have been downvoted so what?" without fear of moderation, enabling for an easy way to maintain "status-quo" by pretending that the current implementation is perfect
- reduces the workload of staff and moderators that have an easy way to brush off minor abuses in the light of "Tim's key, that is not spite/ revenge vote, that is just them voting as they prefer"
 
@SPArcheon That's pretty much the situation summed up in words, yes.
 
I have a strong suspect that there is a guy on a certain site that downvotes some questions on a "I hate the topic" bases since most questions with a specific tag get exactly one downvote regardless their actual quality. I can't be bothered to get someone to investigate this
 
@SPArcheon and generally there's no way for us to know who voted
 
8:20 AM
@AndreasmovedtoCodidact It is funny that we have "retired" terms like "help vampire" and its uncoth relative "reputation [redacted]" because "rude" and "not nice", yet Tim's key lives
@JourneymanGeek obviously that should be employee work, not "power user"
 
@SPArcheon in a sense its 'ours' :D
 
@SPArcheon One is more direct and clear, the other more obscure and requires one more jump in thoughts.
 
@AndreasmovedtoCodidact Had you asked me "what superhero you would want to be" years ago I would have answered something expected like you usual Superman (fly, superstrenght etc), Goku and so on. Now I would mostly reply "just make me one of the Watchers"
 
@SPArcheon tbf, that's as much a change in attitudes of the people who run the company or specific prominent community members than the 'tech' community in general
 
8:37 AM
@SPArcheon It's okay, sex work is work too, you can say 'prostitute' ;)
No need for [redacted]
 
@SPArcheon the tooling's not there, and I think we'd still need 2-3x as many staff to do that :D
and there's the flip side of the post - that sometimes you need to take your downvotes (and upvotes) with good humour, and try to understand where you're going wrong in the right spirit
 
@Tinkeringbell Since you had to, I will play your game and nitpick that the original word wasn't the one you suggested.
 
We can say rep whore :D
Just calling people that isn't being nice
 
9:23 AM
Yep. Using the right words when discussing them prevents confusion.
(Hence the quotes around 'prostitute', I do realize that's not 'the right word' either. :P)
But obfuscating everything is ... unnecessary at least.
 
9:56 AM
@ShadowWizardLoveZelda I am restealing this :D
 
10:09 AM
@SPArcheon I disagree. Telling someone "we can't know why you get downvotes" is not impolite and is not asking them to grow any spine. It's just telling how things work.
@JourneymanGeek sure thing! :D
@Tinkeringbell there are words that people prefer to avoid, e.g. I won't write the "f" word myself even in chat, and usually not even in private chats, i.e. not in SE. I'm not good example, but think you get my point? ;)
 
@ShadowWizardLoveZelda I think its less the word, than how its used in these cases
 
@ShadowWizardLoveZelda Telling them that, probably not. Making a story out of it that looks like you are teaching a 3years old kid how to write... well....
 
People remember stories better than advice
 
@JourneymanGeek ah, this might be, yes.
 
Vampire on its own?
Inoffensive
 
10:17 AM
> .replace("c", "s");
 
call someone a help vampire however
Its not about the person tho, its about the behaviour
 
@JourneymanGeek but so is calling someone "cry baby". Which is highly offensive.
 
yup
But either word on its own is not
Its not the words - but that you're calling someone that
and that sort of breaks the 'we talk about problem behaviours, not people' implicit rule we sorta have
and the blanket terms lack.. nuance :D
If someone is doing 'undesirable' actions for the sake of reputation, its the actions that matter on the whole for example
 
@JourneymanGeek Yeah. Better to call someone a 'futile drainer of energy with no return on investment for others', that describes the behavior much better :P
 
lol
or just ignoring them
 
10:28 AM
Honestly, sometimes there are no nice words to describe not nice behavior.
 
"Hey, this isn't really a place to ask questions - you should try the main site"
though
 
@JourneymanGeek Sure, but you do need words to talk about these things and eventually get the 'just ignore them' advice. And I honestly rather people didn't, but instead flag.
With enough flags, it becomes clear a user is a problem that needs moderating to go away, instead of 'just ignoring' and letting things fester.
 
We have a VERY annoying chatgpt bot that amusingly helps there cause it answers that sort of user questions, and is an utter jerk otherwise :D
@Tinkeringbell low quality? :D
but see you're looking at the questions and patterns, which is fine
 
@JourneymanGeek That, or just 'hey, we've explained variants of this a thousand times in comments and are tired of it'.
 
 
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12:21 PM
@Tinkeringbell That’s no way to treat a colleague.
 
According to the spammer, it is :P
Wow. Poultry really solves every problem apparently.
 
 
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1:53 PM
@balpha while you're still here, the "this is fine" isn't migrated yet, any chance you can fix it? Thanks! :D
still i.stack.imgur
 
Soon To Be Broken
 
@ShadowWizardLoveZelda I think this should be a meta post :D
it may not break - but easter eggs pointing at the old server is a migration related bug/issue IMO
 
ah lol it did change all the old links though
Feb 12 at 9:40, by SPArcheon
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@JourneymanGeek yup, if balpha won't reply in 6-8 I might write a bug report.
Might be instant change he can pull off from the sleeve.
 
He's not on that team tho - while he wrote it, its not really the 'correct' escalation route
 
1:56 PM
@JourneymanGeek of course it's not correct, but if it might work, worth a try. ;)
 
2:19 PM
 
@Tinkeringbell also works on @ShadowWizardLoveZelda if you think they need something more than the usual scolding
 
@SPArcheon ah but it's just temp name, actually wanted to change for a while. ;)
 
@ShadowWizardLoveZelda I just find it amusing that all this time you didn't realize the obvious, more fitting alternative.
 
 
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3:38 PM
^ @ShadowWizardLoveZelda you realize this one exist, right?
 
@SPArcheon actually nope, didn't know about him. ;)
I played Zelda, but was never a huge fan of it.
Just a good game.
 
@ShadowWizardLoveZelda Heresy
how can you say "just"
.... btw, this reminds me I have to find some place for the shield.
I can't just put it next to a Fluttershy.
 
4:29 PM
Hi, does anyone know what sometimes causes LQ reviews to be stuck?
What I mean is that the review receives 5 "recommend deletion" and 1 "Looks OK" and doesn't progress anymore
It is no longer shown to other subsequent reviewers and it just stuck there for days
 
5:16 PM
@SPArcheon on top.
 
@VincentThacker can you link us to the review task where you see that?
 
There is at least one subsequent task of the same nature that was shown to another 7th reviewer, but this one wasn't.
 
@ShadowWizardLoveZelda ping
 
5:49 PM
@VincentThacker the answer is deleted. The review is complete.
 
@rene It only got deleted by a mod just now.
It wasn't deleted by normal review.
 
what was the score of the answer?
 
@rene -1
What I'm asking is whether there are certain conditions that cause tasks (especially LQ) to stop being shown to subsequent reviewers
Because there was a 7th reviewer who came along and reviewed the tasks after that, but not that one
I mean there's the possibility that they skipped it but I think it's unlikely, because it was blatantly inappropriate.
 
Can you check the timeline of the deleted answer to see if anything special happened there. See also: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/395600/…
@VincentThacker can you check or have checked with a site mod whether the review eviction rules were met here: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/164288/… ?
 
6:06 PM
@rene Nothing special really happened.
 
6:36 PM
Either a mod has to confirm that all eligible reviewers skipped that specific task or an SE dev has to check whether that review task was still considered for any reviewer. The latter needs a post on your local meta so a mod can tag it
allow for 6 to 8 weeks for an answer
@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog when you're around, please start reading here and chime in with any other speculation you might have.
 
 
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8:27 PM
@rene Alright thanks for the advice.
 
9:17 PM
@SPArcheon Obviously, the right choice would be to become the superhero that can always accomplish what they want. Just make sure not to get depressed, or otherwise (fatally) hurt yourself, then give up the superpower.
mhm, that superpower is too powerful. You’ll end up wreaking havoc no matter what. It’ll be a curse.
@ShadowWizardLoveZelda What’s wrong with that?
 
 
 
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11:00 PM
@AndreasmovedtoCodidact yeah what the funnel is he on about
Fun fact: I first thought of three random words with f and g to put there but they all meant some disgusting sex thing
 
11:29 PM
@M.A.R. Fumble feudal factors?
Girl greats gal?
 

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