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Andreas moved to Codidact

00:07

@PM2Ring After reading the first two paragraphs, just wtf is going on at Twitter...?

I mean, unless the description is twisted, and he's actually referring to satirical illustrations?

PM 2Ring

I mostly avoid Twitter. I've never had an account there, and I rarely read Tweets. And since it became X it's even harder to read without signing up.

Andreas moved to Codidact

Never had an account there, either, Figured reading respectable newspapers would relieve me of having to visit that place for news.

There are numerous misconceptions in the article itself. I haven't checked the comment section.

PM 2Ring

Which misconceptions? Bear in mind that Scott is using hyperbole or being sarcastic with some of those remarks.

Andreas moved to Codidact

00:23

He did? I may have skimmed too fast over some parts, then. For example, stating that Israel is not to blame for the starvations in Gaza, and that UNRWA is a terrorist organization, or a part of Hamas.

PM 2Ring

The comment section on Shtetl-Optimized is moderated. He permits constructive criticism, but blocks outright trolling and abusive behaviour. If a comment is borderline, he'll allow it. But if it becomes obvious that the author isn't being respectful, they get blocked.

He doesn't say that UNRWA is a terrorist organization, or a part of Hamas. He claims that some UNRWA staff support Hamas, and that some of them even participated in the Oct 7 massacre. And that UNRWA as an organisation lets itself get pushed around by Hamas.

Thus you can't simply give food & medical supplies to UNRWA, in the hope that they will only be distributed to Palestinian civilians, and not be seized by Hamas.

Andreas moved to Codidact

00:40

Personally, I'm better off taking a look at it again after some sleep.

3 hours later…

Journeyman Geek

03:48

→ 25 messages moved to Chimney

Journeyman Geek

04:05

@AaronBertrand I don't have the skillset to be very useful, but I'm looking forward to whatever it is :D

@Marco Area 51 is kinda in a wierd limbo for now - I honestly wouldn't get my hopes too high on getting a new site up

Journeyman Geek

04:31

If anyone has wondered what chewing noises sounds like youtu.be/gusMKZZ1ONw feels like a good approximation

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Petəíŕd The Spring Wizard

06:02

@Marco it depends. ;)

Journeyman Geek

→ 14 messages moved to Chimney

Petəíŕd The Spring Wizard

watching noises

Tinkeringbell

06:53

@AaronBertrand I have no skills wrt that either, but I pinned those messages for you, hopefully you'll find some users!

rene

@AaronBertrand I can do some testing, let me know what you need.

SPArcheon

07:35

@ShadowWizardLoveZelda Master of Magic, old DOS era strategy game. I though you may have played it.

Shadow Wizard Love Zelda

08:10

@starball comments were posted before it was migrated, as can be seen here, and looks like there is a glitch in the association of the accounts, yeah.

(so it didn't recognize the account on the target site upon migration.)

@PM2Ring the title implies totally unusable, as in "worthless". They can use "unusable for me" or better give details what can't be used.

@PM2Ring whoa, great stuff. Bookmarked for later reading, and pity comments are closed now - wonder why? Automatic after a while? But yeah, usually comments on such things are very heated.

@SPArcheon nope. I did play game called M&M but it was Might and Magic. ;)

Petəíŕd The Spring Wizard

08:27

@ShadowWizardLoveZelda M&M's? lol

Shadow Wizard Love Zelda

@Petəíŕd The Spring Wizard yup. Tasty game!

1 hour later…

PM 2Ring

09:32

@ShadowWizardLoveZelda From scottaaronson.blog/?p=7845#comment-1973155

> Annnnd … now that the trolls are starting to appear (“Sam” has now left responded with an even more openly trollish comment, which I won’t let up), and also now that all the usual arguments have been laid out, I think it’s time to wrap up this thread by tonight. Get in any final comments before then.

Of course what’s surprising is how long the troll takeover took! Most commenters here, whatever their views, have been great.

starball

10:02

@AaronBertrand sign me up!

Wolf

10:12

@ShadowWizardLoveZelda i know i have been here since 2021 and I know ur user since

i used to talk here

the thing is idk how its still alive

Aaron Bertrand

10:24

@starball Excellent! Drop me an e-mail at abertrand at stackoverflow dot com

@rene same, thanks! -----^

Aaron Bertrand

10:42

@starball and hope you're both okay with a shared e-mail thread. :-\

starball

@AaronBertrand not sure what "shared" means, but I don't think I'll mind.

ah ok I see now

I used my starball email so I especially don't mind :)

Journeyman Geek

@starball clearly you've not worked corporate IT. CC ALL THE PEOPLE >_>

Aaron Bertrand

No no, I just sent them both an e-mail, thinking "maybe they don't want each other to see their e-mail address" a second too late.

Journeyman Geek

@AaronBertrand I was just messing with both of ya :D

(and probably projecting on the sheer 'fun' working in government-corporate IT was.. )

Petəíŕd The Spring Wizard

hmm now I'm going to try CC

Journeyman Geek

10:53

...

don't

Your young soul should not face such horrors

Petəíŕd The Spring Wizard

lol

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Shadow Wizard Love Zelda

12:11

@PM2Ring ah, thanks. Pity.

@Wolf well yes, but now you just posted... nothing, until now.

(I mean you did post, but nothing that made any sense.)

Just dots.

@Wolf what is still alive? The chat?

@Petəíŕd The Spring Wizard try DD!

Petəíŕd The Spring Wizard

@ShadowWizardLoveZelda EE! ;p

Shadow Wizard Love Zelda

@Petəíŕd The Spring Wizard k

Petəíŕd The Spring Wizard

@ShadowWizardLoveZelda naa

Tinkeringbell

12:39

Did chat.se break again for anyone else?

Mithical

@Tinkeringbell no

Tinkeringbell

Hmm. Weird. The chat.meta things are fine for me, but none of the chat.se ones will load.

I'll blame my side then.

I'm back. Restarting chrome helped, it seems :)

Marco

13:35

@JourneymanGeek ok, thanks!

@Petəíŕd The Spring Wizard why?

Journeyman Geek

@Marco in general SE's english only

unless its a non english site (uncommon) or there's a good reason

Marco

13:48

@JourneymanGeek yes, that I know

@JourneymanGeek yes, I know, I asked because there isn't a website relating to the Thai language

Journeyman Geek

ah, that specifically

Probably no

Marco

yeah

g3rv4

14:53

@ShadowWizardLoveZelda good good, can't complain :) what about you? still in this corner of the internet I see

Wolf

15:22

@ShadowWizardLoveZelda look i have been in this chat since 2021 then I used to talk a lot but I was just surprised the chat is still alive

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Marco

17:37

I just registered for the Happy Hour event that starts in 5 hours. What will be at the event?

Elements In Space

@Marco Nothing at all.

Marco

What is it for, then?

Elements In Space

I think it used to be a thing, years ago.

Marco

hmmm

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

18:06

@Marco It was used to test the then-new chat events feature and stuck around since.

Marco

hmmm

Did someone forget to disable the automatic scheduling of the weekly Happy Hour event, as it serves no purpose? :D

@JourneymanGeek is the dog in your profile photo yours?

2 hours later…

Marco

20:02

I just received it via e-mail:

"Hello!

You registered for the following chat events happening today on chat.meta.stackexchange.com:

Tavern on the Meta for 1h in 2 hours
Happy Hour
enter this room | view events

See you there!"

I'm looking forward to seeing what happens at the event.

Shadow Wizard Love Zelda

20:21

@g3rv4 personally no news, nationally, well, you probably know... and we all hope things won't escalate further.

@Marco you can be happy during this hour, and share it here. :-D

Marco

@ShadowWizardLoveZelda If there are lots of snacks and sodas, I will be.

Shadow Wizard Love Zelda

@Marco snakes and hard drinks (whiskey)! :P

Marco

I'd rather refuse snakes and alcoholic beverages

Shadow Wizard Love Zelda

@Wolf well why not? Even during strikes, people were here, as it's not part of curating the sites, or helping SE in any way - it's a way to vent stuff, or just relax, or just rant like I often do.

@Marco Pity! But you're forgiven. Snacks will be served as well. ;)

Marco

@ShadowWizardLoveZelda thanks, I hope sodas too!

Invite all SE staff and moderators too!

Shadow Wizard Love Zelda

20:28

@Marco ah, found something for you, will give it during the Happy Hour, if I'll be around. ;)

Marco

Great!

Shadow Wizard Love Zelda

@Marco I can invite former staff, @g3r who might even join us! Current staff even I don't dare pinging for no good reason. (and some of the mods... ;))

Marco

Oh, ok, great! :D

Shadow Wizard Love Zelda

hmm.... maybe @V2Blast would also like to join us and have a blast... :P

But actually only one single active staff is pingable, JNat - they're way too busy, so no luck. :(

When the even starts? Half hour?

Marco

Great!

Shadow Wizard Love Zelda

20:32

oh no

> Starts in 2 hours (in your timezone, that's 2:00 on Saturday), lasts 60 minutes. This is a regular event, happening every 7 days until 12/18/3000.

Marco

No, in 2 and a half hours

Shadow Wizard Love Zelda

Sadly 2am is the time I go to sleep. :(

Marco

No, will be 8:00 P.M

Shadow Wizard Love Zelda

@Marco for you, but I'm 6 hours ahead of you...

Marco

ah

Sorry, I thought you were talking about me

Shadow Wizard Love Zelda

20:33

When you go to sleep?

Marco

When it's around 9 pm I probably won't be on the computer anymore.

Shadow Wizard Love Zelda

ah, I have an idea. Not sure it will work though.

@Marco early. Well, I'm also going away from computer couple of hours before going to sleep, but sometimes check it anyway in late hours.

Marco

ok!

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog you are invited too.

Shadow Wizard Love Zelda

Who else?

Marco

All

All SE users, staff and moderators

Zelda and Link too

Shadow Wizard Love Zelda

20:47

yeah, thanks! ;)

Shadow Wizard Love Zelda

21:02

test 1 2 3, if it works I'm happy!

2 hours later…

Marco

22:50

An event is starting in 9 minutes in Tavern on the Meta - "Happy Hour"

Shadow Wizard Love Zelda

Now your time to sleep, cya tomorrow @Marco ;)

Now your time to sleep, cya tomorrow @Marco ;)

Marco

@ShadowWizardLoveZelda no, is not.

ahhh

well, is your time to sleep.

Shadow Wizard Love Zelda

Now your time to sleep, cya tomorrow @Marco ;)

Marco

bot

@ShadowWizardLoveZelda .

Journeyman Geek

23:22

@Marco He was - He's kind of a minor Super User (maybe even network) legend

He passed on about 3 years ago due to old age

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