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@V2Blast "mostly", where did I go wrong? — the part where I said it was "fascinating"?

V2Blast

5:23 AM

@ElementsinSpace You didn't really get anything wrong AFAIK, the Wikipedia link just explained it in more detail :)

5:57 AM

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@ElementsinSpace "Well it started in the september of '79...."

6:09 AM

10 years before I was born, that sounds about right.

6:22 AM

that's a great alibi

"I wasn't born yet!"

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8:13 AM

yay, another day, another user feed up with the company idea of NAA.

It is always nice seeing someone ranting about that idiocy.

@SPArcheon hmm?

@SPArcheon the company has a specific idea of NAA?

No idea what they talk about... didn't see anything on MSE.

MSO? o_O

@SPArcheon do clarify, for the rest of the class :D

private chat? mad

8:15 AM

@JourneymanGeek You know the "If you ask someone how to make a post request with React and they reply 'The butler did it' that is not a NAA and you should just pay with your rep to downvote"?

So, strictly speaking

@JourneymanGeek Despite the description still being "This post does not try to answer the question", so please no usual excuse "Technically it is an answer"

walking away slowly.

"flags should not be used to indicate technical inaccuracies, or an altogether wrong answer"

Is one of the rejection reasons

@JourneymanGeek Yes. And it is utterly stupid

And a lie too.

We are not talking about "Wrong"

We are talking about "irrelevant"

8:17 AM

If I understand correctly, and this is even before my time, the idea is in a healthy community - it should be handled by 'community' downvotes and delete votes

but honestly? quite a lot of the time, if its bad enough we'd ignore that reason, delete it and mark it helpful anyway

@JourneymanGeek In an healthy community a new user should not receive a irrelevant answer to a different question from the one they need help with because some rep-hunter wanted to hijack the question to their advantage, call the mods for help and receive a finger instead.

@SPArcheon Well communities are not all healthy

If they think this is a good user experience to retain people, well I guess I'll tell them they are pretty wrong every time

also relatedly meta.stackexchange.com/questions/393303/… - I ended up convincing the user who posted the answer to delete his answer ._.

@SPArcheon finding a non useful answer isn't a good user experience

so I'm agreeing with you here in general

> This is something explicitly permitted by the company, because we just have to downvote and spend OUR rep to do so.
Does it matter that it wastes time for everyone to read thru an irrelevant answer? NOPE.
Does it matter than the smart guy could have just asked a self answered question and post their irrelevant content there instead of hijacking mine? NOPE
Does it matter than now from the outside the question looks like it has a posted answer when it has none and other users may skip over it thinking it was already solved? NOPE.

8:24 AM

More of "its not something for the mods to deal with"

To be blunt, vote is not a valid solution because I want the user to fell like the company/mod told them they did something bad, not be able to cry out "the high-rep user mafia is trying to gate me off the site"

As opposed to someone in authority

@JourneymanGeek precisely.

Which leads to the old

"Help help I am being oppressed"

If I vote to delete the post, in their mind I am the bastard who harassed them.

8:27 AM

"Who died and made you king?"

(or queen, or other monarchial figure)

If the staff tells them, then maybe there is a small chance they get the message instead

Assuming we had enough staff to take care of ... small matters like that

the network only really runs with any degree of efficiency due to being able to delegate most day to day community work to the community

I don't think even when we had much smaller communities, and deep staff engagement, they'd generally be interfering in... relatively minor issues

I'll say they are minor in number but not in the mess they cause.

@SPArcheon I'd say its something that'd happen quite often on a medium to large community

(admittedly, my usual solution on a fresh issue is to point out the obvious flaws on the post, where I do notice these, and let the user self delete)

Considering that the reaction from a MOD after getting that treatment on SO was kinda "why did I even bothered asking on that site"... this should trigger some flags in someone mind.

8:32 AM

SO mods are generally overworked, and on the razor's edge of burn out

and of all sites, if SO isn't dealing with things at a community level...

You are missing the issue I fear.

It is the same community that you expect to deal with the issue that is causing the issue in the first place.

Considering even established users think they can just take someone else question, disregard any detail they don't know how to work with, post a reply that is no use to the asker and still get away with it and get rep imho shows that you don't have hope to let them self-correct.

In turn you have a lot of chances to give a very bad first experience to users and make them decide their time is not worth this "trash site that can't even answer the question I asked"

Maybe I should use Evan for something good.

Someone should go and make a proposal...

Instead of the Community-a-thon the staff should do a "Social-media-a-thon" where they are encouraged to read what users say about the site experience on social media like Twitter, Reddit and so on...

I bet that even with all the rants this could still be quite eye-opening...

And with this, I guess I am out. Later

You know NAA discussion is endless loop.

No side can be ever right because there are no rules set in any stone.

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10:44 AM

Flagged, mod can do whatever they want.

So annoying.

@ShadowTheGPTWizard You tell 'em.

11:02 AM

@ElementsinSpace I did. Kind of. ;)

(asked why they edit out spam instead of deleting it.)

Yeah, I saw.

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12:56 PM

(link is to screenshot of the assignment.)

That edit didn't really help.

I think I did that course 11 years ago.

1:14 PM

There it is in my notes (Fall of 2012). Found the question, but there is a big gap where the answer was supposed to go.

Weird.

Meta Andrew T.

2:07 PM

Ha.

Any subject.

Proposed Q&A site for everyone. I'll be happy to do this

Closed before being launched.

Tinkeringbell

Really, any subject? Be careful what you wish for... this is, after all, the internet.

Why not just merge all the current sites together, into one large site?</sarcastic>

Kevin B

2:48 PM

@ElementsinSpace i mean, with current trends, that may just happen eventually

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3:08 PM

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Kevin B

3:25 PM

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JNat

6:37 PM

@ShadowTheGPTWizard gone

@PetəíŕdTheLinuxWizard gone

@JourneymanGeek gone ('cause @V2Blast got to them before me)

@JourneymanGeek same for this one

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