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Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
1:38 AM
@Starship-OnStrike Stack isn't publicly traded, so it's more about the valuation
@Starship-OnStrike that's out of line, and were I not on strike I would flag it
Right now - we are trying to set the stage to actually talk it out. Let's not give any potentially hostile elements in the company fodder to claim we are doing personal attacks or such
 
Meta Andrew T.
Meta Andrew T.
I have mentioned this somewhere else, but I guess I'll also mention it here: while I'm not on strike, I fully support those who participate in the strike. However, please keep a cool head. I do not want to see those who participate in the strike get suspended due to their antics, either now by non-striking mods or later when the strike is over.
 
Spevacus
Spevacus
@JourneymanGeek In context, it looks like they were just quoting a comment. I don't see this comment anywhere in the comment archive, though...
 
Meta Andrew T.
Meta Andrew T.
On one hand, the comment archive bot is not instant, so there's a possibility that the comment got already deleted before it was captured. But on the other hand, if these comments were indeed posted on MSE, props for flaggers/mods/staff to handle all of them before they got captured by the bot 😬
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
→ 38 messages moved to Chimney
Sorry, I was having withdrawal symptoms
A clean Tavern is . . . Unseemly
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@M.A.R. on the bright side when the strike is over it will be glorious
@M.A.R. oh. SD/charcoal is on strike too
 
Meta Andrew T.
Meta Andrew T.
1:52 AM
@M.A.R. 🤨
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
@MetaAndrewT. 😶‍🌫️
 
Meta Andrew T.
Meta Andrew T.
@M.A.R. we back to 2014, but only if there is bjbot here...
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
With @Sha and his gang walking on a chat flag tightrope
Wonder what those guys are up to these days
What does [status-review] mean on the recent meta posts?
 
Meta Andrew T.
Meta Andrew T.
dunno, a bat signal to their internal issue tracker, I guess? :)
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
"SE, please stop disparaging mods in the press" [status-review]
Can't make sense of it. "We'll get back to you about whether or not we will be disparaging in the press"?
Hey, at least unlike last time, the statements given to the press were also posted on meta. After the fact, but still.
The analysis has been provided to moderators, now, so we're mostly in the loop. We can discuss things more meaningfully with the CMs. (Can't share details, but wanted to let people know about the positive development.) — wizzwizz4 5 hours ago
 
Meta Andrew T.
Meta Andrew T.
2:09 AM
@M.A.R. Yep, that's at least helpful for me, who rarely read news outlets and only got his daily consumption of news directly on the SE platform...
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
@MetaAndrewT. point is unlike 2019 they are at least acknowledging that meta exists.
Maybe part of the whole killing-them-softly strategy, maybe not. I mean, apparently they also unfeatured posts from per-site metas, leave it to me to miss out on all the fun. So I'm ambivalent about how this is going to go.
 
 
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Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
4:17 AM
@M.A.R. mod felt it's a post that needs staff attention
 
cocomac
cocomac
4:39 AM
@M.A.R. Yes, they've done that. I've had some words to say about that, partly because my interpretation is that them un-featuring those strike notices is a violation of their own policy
 
Feeds
Feeds
 
Meta Andrew T.
Meta Andrew T.
5:35 AM
@Feeds not really a good time for this...
 
Rocket Nikita
Rocket Nikita
6:02 AM
@Feeds >:(
 
Andreas detests censorship
Andreas detests censorship
6:17 AM
Who deleted the comments under this answer, and why?
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
@Andreasdetestscensorship You mean those three comments bickering over whether your post was nice enough or not? Or the three about you mudslinging by misquoting (which you edited out)? I removed all when handling some flags on the comments and your post itself.
As far as I was concerned, none of them were 'longer needed'.
 
Andreas detests censorship
Andreas detests censorship
I removed one or two about the post’s content that were simply outdated.
Why did you remove the rest?
How can you consider the remaining comments NLN?
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
Like I said, three were bickering over whether the post was nice enough or not. There also was a post flag for that. I handled the post flag, decided nothing was wrong with the post, so the comments that were talking about that could go as well (it was also escalating a bit into being rude/combative itself, with the last comment I deleted calling the other ones 'nonsense' and talking about sticks and posteriors).
The other three I deleted in response to your comment flags, those were about the mudslinging and about the stuff you edited out.
 
Andreas detests censorship
Andreas detests censorship
They were very clearly not NLN; both sides of the argument had many upvotes, with a new argument for one of the sides being made yesterday. Clearly not NLN. Also, in the internal strike organization, people repeatedly complain about one of the sides, saying that I only speak for myself. I don’t. I speak for a lot of members in the community, on that.
The tension within the community is real. It needs to be visible.
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
Meh. But noted, I'll leave rude comments on your posts next time.
 
Andreas detests censorship
Andreas detests censorship
6:30 AM
Can you please restore those 3 comments?
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
Nope. I'm not going to restore something that was getting rude.
 
Andreas detests censorship
Andreas detests censorship
I am firmly disagreeing with your impression of that being rude.
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
getting rude.
It was borderline, but as far as I know you don't call other people's positions 'nonsense' and tell them to get sticks out of their posteriors...
 
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
@mousetail "join" date (which isn't join date) is still broken and showing same date for everyone. Please just remove it, it's confusing.
(I'm sure people joined today, June 6th.)
@Tinkeringbell huh looks like I should back read here...
making coffee
 
Andreas detests censorship
Andreas detests censorship
@Tinkeringbell It was direct, not rude. This kind of comment moderation is dangerous. I advise caution. I am not happy about this, and you will make people even angrier and hostile by deleting comments like this. This is fuel to the conflict. I mentioned this in MOSH last night; please do click the link, and read my following messages:
in The Ministry of Silly Hats on Stack Overflow Chat, 7 hours ago, by Andreas detests censorship
This marks a return to 2019’s and 2020’s censorship of comments.
 
Mithical
Mithical
6:43 AM
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack It's relevant due to restrictions placed on mods by SE that can have serious consequences if there's confusion about when the individual moderator started striking. Since the strike began on the 5th, anyone who signed it beforehand had their signature marked as being on the 5th.
 
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
@Starship-OnStrike which is utterly wrong.
@Mithical no, I mean it's still showing 5th even though it's 6th for quite a while now, and surely some joined today, i.e. it's broken.
 
Andreas detests censorship
Andreas detests censorship
I do apologize for my typos leading to negating the meaning. Just removed a «not» from my last message.
 
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
I also have typos when annoyed
Mind too busy.
Hands trembling.
Coffee spilling.
oh, coffee!
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
@Andreasdetestscensorship Meh. It's only fuel if you make it. You promised when the comment archive went live that you wouldn't. These kinds of comments get deleted all the time. Someone suggests something, the OP says they won't take that suggestion > NLN.
A third comes along to add some fuel to the flames days later... then I'm getting rid of the thread as it's getting rude.
It's not 2019 and 2020. This would've been deleted in 2021 and 2022 too, and 2018 as well.
 
Andreas detests censorship
Andreas detests censorship
@Tinkeringbell It was not a suggestion; it was a statement, a response, an opinion on the way the original message was delivered. It’s valid, but I disagree with it. You’re hiding tension within the community by deleting these comments.
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
6:49 AM
Oh sure. A lot of tension gets deleted that way. You should see the deleted comments on some posts from users lashing out because they get quality banned or downvoted... those often end up suspended as well!
 
Andreas detests censorship
Andreas detests censorship
@Tinkeringbell It’s your personal opinion that it’s getting rude. You’re not taking the shared opinion of the community into consideration when deleting these comments. Do remember that moderators are supposed to serve the community.
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
@Andreasdetestscensorship I have taken the opinion of the community into consideration, remember: I was handling a flag on your post.
 
Andreas detests censorship
Andreas detests censorship
@Tinkeringbell 1 flag? What about the many votes?
 
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
yay coffee ready, and a banana.
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
I don't look at scores when handling flags. Even more so for comments that can't be properly downvoted.
 
Andreas detests censorship
Andreas detests censorship
6:51 AM
@Tinkeringbell Neither of the comments under my post were lashing out. They were direct, but not bashing anybody.
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack Coffee and banana sounds like a weird combination.
 
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
@Tinkeringbell eww not inside coffee. Besides it, for later consumption. Coffee goes with two wafers. :D
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
@Andreasdetestscensorship Noted. Seems we're not going to agree on this one anyways, so I'm not going to make the argument again that calling someone else's opinion/suggestion 'nonsense' and telling them to get a stick out of their posterior is not nice.
Lets just drop this as it's going nowhere fast
 
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
The banana was in the kitchen, they are gone quickly, so I grabbed one.
 
Andreas detests censorship
Andreas detests censorship
Hrmpfh.
 
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
6:53 AM
@Andreasdetestscensorship sneeze?
giving tissue paper to @Andreas
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack gone as in brown, or gone as in everyone else eats them if you're not fast enough?
 
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
@Tinkeringbell it's a shared kitchen, around 20 people from ~5 different companies use it, so yeah it's taken. It's already partially brown, but I love it this way. ;)
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
Oh really? Blegh. If I eat banana's I prefer mine slightly green.
 
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
@Tinkeringbell and I still didn't backscroll enough to see the background. :(
@Tinkeringbell but then it's too solid, I love it soft.
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack Background is that I moderated three comments and Andreas doesn't like what I did. Foreground is that we dropped it now because we'd been going in circles.
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack The soft ones are also really sweet though, the greener ones are a tiny bit more sour
 
Elements in Space
Elements in Space
6:58 AM
brown? green? call me crazy, but I say banana should be yellow.
 
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
@M.A.R. good magazine.
@Tinkeringbell true, and I love sweet. :P
@Tinkeringbell fair, and good to see neither sniped during this. :D
@ElementsinSpace should, but rarely is. lol
When it's new, it's green. When time passes, it becomes brown.
It's like the myth that sea water are blue. ;-)
 
Elements in Space
Elements in Space
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack leopard banana is good, but not all brown
 
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
@Starship-OnStrike no. You really don't get it.
@ElementsinSpace oh, of course. But my threshold is pretty low.
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@Andreasdetestscensorship While I'm on strike, I'm going to trust Tink to know what needs doing cause she was handling it the last time I wasn't moderating.
And lets not set the place on fire please.
 
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
@Tink any chance to revive our private chat room? Got a small request...
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
7:07 AM
@JourneymanGeek Eh, we dropped it. Probably not a good idea of you to meddle in it again.
 
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
@JourneymanGeek what about @Glorfindel? Is he also on strike? Didn't see him saying anything recently.
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
(for the record, I didn't ask him to, and he shouldn't have restarted it)
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
aww, but its the great moderator tradition
:D
 
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
@M.A.R. back then there were no mods, only staff, and they were too busy to moderate a remote chat room. Except that one time when Shog arrived and kicked someone who pinged him. :D
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
Also I just caught up
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack I'd check the list really
 
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
7:10 AM
@JourneymanGeek oh. Duh. lol
Not on the list, but doesn't mean he's not on a strike.
Maybe just away, not related to strike.
@OlegValteriswithUkraine and lead to more downvotes...
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
@JourneymanGeek traditions only exist to be broken, don't they?
 
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
@M.A.R oh and about gang, they're mostly gone sadly, we created WhatsApp group but that also got inactive pretty fast. :(
(and couldn't even post "good stuff" there due to having minors, lol)
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@Tinkeringbell Only bad ones :D
 
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
Finally my backlog is done.
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
adds more logs
 
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
7:27 AM
going to add different kind of log
:P
oh this reminds me, @JNat your backlog is empty?
 
Andreas detests censorship
Andreas detests censorship
@mousetail
The strike letter is down. Error 502.
 
mousetail
mousetail
I noticed, reverted my last commit now
 
SPArcheon
SPArcheon
7:47 AM
@NordTheStarWizard See the signature for context about the character...
 
mousetail
mousetail
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack Date is fixed, it now properly shows Jun 6th for people who signed today
 
Glorfindel
Glorfindel
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack I'm not doing any moderation work, except for keeping an eye on the discussions about the current situation. Whatever happens, we (the community and the company) need to talk, and it's bound to generate quite some flags.
8
 
JNat
JNat
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack it is
 
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
@JNat awesome!
@mousetail thanks.
@Glorfindel good. For the strike, though it means one mod active on MSE, but looks like it's just enough. ;)
 
SPArcheon
SPArcheon
8:06 AM
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack BTW, serious question: should the non mod users supporting the strike also abstain from any form of flagging or by contrast continuing to do so while no hone handles the flag would help by making the unhandled backlog even more noticeable?
 
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
@SPArcheon as I see it, flagging to remove bad content is something that should be avoided as part of the strike. Making the flags queue bigger on purpose isn't making it noticeable, it's just making life harder for the mod(s) still active, and directly harmful, so not something I'll do myself.
 
Andreas detests censorship
Andreas detests censorship
@SPArcheon Abstain from every single moderation action. Act as if you are logged out.
 
SPArcheon
SPArcheon
8:22 AM
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack I guess you are right, at least since you don't have a way to filter between "this is someone posting rude comments" and "look into this when you have time in the future"
 
Meta Andrew T.
Meta Andrew T.
Or use read-only mode? :p
 
SPArcheon
SPArcheon
@MetaAndrewT. then I would not be able to contribute in what has to be an official World Guinness Record attempt for the most downvoted post on a public site.
 
mousetail
mousetail
-1764
Q: Update: an agreement with Monica Cellio

Sara ChippsStack Overflow and Monica Cellio have come to an agreement. We believe that Ms. Cellio was not acting with malicious intent. We believe she did not understand all of the nuances and full intent and meaning of our Code of Conduct and was confused about what actions it required and forbade. We ac...

discussion moderators announcements moderator-removal
Gonna be hard to beat
 
SPArcheon
SPArcheon
@mousetail I know, but you have to appreciate the attempt.
 
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
@Andreasdetestscensorship well it would be "valid" to do that for strike-related posts.
@MetaAndrewT. lol
@mousetail management now surely tries to beat it.
If they'll fire mods, it will happen.
 
mousetail
mousetail
8:34 AM
If they do, yes
 
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
Or a new post "Update: an agreement with moderators".
lol
 
mousetail
mousetail
That's what I'm most afraid of
An "agreement" covered under a NDA that the community isn't allowed to know anything about
 
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
yup
 
mousetail
mousetail
And also seems to change nothing
 
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
But this time, no money is involved either way, so different.
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
8:50 AM
@JourneymanGeek right, should've checked edit history
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack tsk tsk tsk
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack haha yeah I remember that
 
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
@M.A.R. is this an apology?! :D
@M.A.R. yeah, I was so sad. :( :( :(
Now no minors there, but also no activity. :D
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
As usual I arrived later and saw everyone was acting like children who were embarassed having dipped their hands into peanut butter
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack I have never even flown an Apolo A
 
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
@M.A.R. exactly! There was another user with Sha or Sho there, forgot the actual name.
 
mousetail
mousetail
UI changes are really received excessively negatively considering you get used to them in 5 minutes
 
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
hmm... it was a song... @Sha @Sho and something more....
So @Sho pinged Shog and... kaboom. :D
@mousetail didn't get used to the new voting "arrows".
@M.A.R. pity, you could have seen flying horses.
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
8:57 AM
Which is most of them?
@mousetail I haven't gotten used to the voting buttons on sites that still have that low contrast homeopathic version
 
mousetail
mousetail
With the new changes it looks quite ok when pressed depending on site color scheme, though bad otherwise
This is just excessive though: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/375081/…
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
The new ones on meta.SE are I suppose kinda alright
 
mousetail
mousetail
Yea it works well in meta's theme color
 
Nord The Star Wizard
Nord The Star Wizard
@SPArcheon ooh, Genshin Impact. Make sense yeah :)
 
SPArcheon
SPArcheon
@NordTheStarWizard And obviously, it is just about Genshin Impact.
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
9:00 AM
@mousetail which one is that? I've downvoted it but I don't even remember.
 
Nord The Star Wizard
Nord The Star Wizard
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack I like how you used the youtube thing to your advantage
 
mousetail
mousetail
Post summary designs
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
And excessive as in, -650 is too much, or as in some comments are mean, or?
 
mousetail
mousetail
650 is a lot for something you will get used to
Profile page had a similar score but had significant bugs at launch so that made sense
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
@mousetail right, so it wasn't just because we'd get used to it
Maybe it was that set of changes that made it all worse and less informative in every way, I remember a post like that
 
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
9:04 AM
@NordTheStarWizard thanks! :D
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
SE is breaking the most important pages on all sites here, just to support features for Teams and Collectives. All other goals could be achieved by rewrites that keep most of the old designs. I had some reservations about the new focus for SE, but this is far, far worse than I ever imagined. — Mad Scientist - on strike Feb 1, 2022 at 23:06
TBH it's all hazy. I'm really trying to figure out what happened then but my brain doesn't care enough to go back to the not-very-pleasant conversations surrounding each of these "interests of the community" posts
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack I like your hair
 
mousetail
mousetail
It's a bad feature but ultimately doesn't do any harm
 
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
@mousetail no. There's a comment saying it nicely.
I honestly don't see how this can be considered an improvement. It's harder to find information from a glance and it looks incredibly unbalanced. — Ambo100 Jan 24, 2022 at 23:42
@M.A.R. the color, or the thickness of it? :D
(so much hair in my new avatar!)
OK, since you asked, here it is!
Also added some missing stuff.
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack . . .
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack I know we talked about 2014 which was like 30 years ago but your hair can't be that white
 
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
9:23 AM
:D
 
Starship - On Strike
Starship - On Strike
omg we have 101 striking current mods
 
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
@Starship-OnStrike lovely
@M.A.R. lots of stress
Actually since the lupus outrage hit me, I did lose lots of hair. Had a lot, now it's just average, hopefully it's stable by now.
Wait, I did tell about what caused my weight loss, lack of energy etc? It was lupus, took several months for the doctors to find it.
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
9:54 AM
......
owwww
 
Starship - On Strike
Starship - On Strike
could some mod check if the flag backup is getting very big or not
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack If I was a worse person, I'd make a house joke
@Starship-OnStrike I'm on strike :D
 
Starship - On Strike
Starship - On Strike
you can still check the queue to see how backed up it is @JourneymanGeek
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
nope
that's actual work
I actually need to kick my ava too
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack But it's never lupus!
 
Starship - On Strike
Starship - On Strike
9:56 AM
wait...correct me if im wrong...but checking the queue and doing nothing isn't exactly doing moderation, is it?
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
The queue is getting empty. I'd appreciate more flags :)
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@Starship-OnStrike Yes it is
 
Starship - On Strike
Starship - On Strike
the queue is empthy!? but with all the striking mods, espically on SO, youd figure it would be backed up
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@Starship-OnStrike ....
 
Starship - On Strike
Starship - On Strike
what
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
9:59 AM
You DO realise each site has seperate queues right?
 
Starship - On Strike
Starship - On Strike
yes...
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
And I'm not striking.
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
and SO's queues are always a little backed up
 
Starship - On Strike
Starship - On Strike
yes...but you would figure if there are much less mods handling the flags the queue gets backed up
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
We don't have much flags
but the flags we get occationally are complicated
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
10:01 AM
Except users are striking too, so less flags.
 
Starship - On Strike
Starship - On Strike
ok...but wasnt the hole point of the strike so the flags get backed up
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
Still, with the comment bot and most recently active questions page, it's easy to keep on top of most things.
 
Starship - On Strike
Starship - On Strike
but 19% of mods are striking and only 0.00238% of usres are striking
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@Starship-OnStrike not all users are the same
@Starship-OnStrike nope
the point of the strike is to let the company know we're unhappy
 
Starship - On Strike
Starship - On Strike
i suppose that some mods also are more active than otehr toos
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
10:05 AM
Yeah, I'm usually the second most inactive mod here.
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
I'm generally chewing on the flag queue throughout the day
 
SPArcheon
SPArcheon
@Starship-OnStrike are they all white with black spots? Hopefully Stack won't try to make a fur coat out of them.
 
Meta Andrew T.
Meta Andrew T.
@JourneymanGeek cute <3
(the dog, it is...)
 
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
10:23 AM
@JourneymanGeek you can make any joke, I have thick skin now as a werewolf. :D
@Tinkeringbell pupus?
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
 
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
@Tinkeringbell lol missed that, even though I watched lots of episodes. :D (didn't see them all)
@Starship-OnStrike not really
@JourneymanGeek yes really
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@MetaAndrewT. that's my favorite picture of him
 
mousetail
mousetail
10:53 AM
-52
Q: Would having a romantic relationship matching feature be worthwhile?

two black lines in the middleI'm not personally interested in such a feature, but I just want to put forth the idea of an optional, possibly monetize-able, romantic relationship matching feature for SE users. Is this a bad idea? If so, why not?

feature-request status-declined
The bottom posts of all time is an entertaining rabbit hole
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
Ooh yeah. Seen my share of creeps, wouldn't want that. But if it was opt-in... why not :P
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
11:12 AM
@JourneymanGeek you can still make a house joke.
 
Meta Andrew T.
Meta Andrew T.
the joke has been housed
 
mousetail
mousetail
11:42 AM
-44
Q: Proposal to add a "Circlejerk" badge

ColeI propose that when a group of people upvote each other repeatedly, they get awarded the "Circlejerk" badge.

feature-request status-declined badge-request fun
 
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
@mousetail how did you reach it? Dozens of much more downvoted posts, most from staff or those who were staff when posting.
And noticed David Fullerton redacted his account.
Can see why, but still...
(it's just "anon", not even user ID.)
 
mousetail
mousetail
Go to top posts by score then go to the last page
 
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
@mousetail I did, all with hundreds of downvotes, all by staff.
(last page.)
 
mousetail
mousetail
I went back a few pages
 
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
Maybe you have some custom filter taking place?
 
mousetail
mousetail
11:45 AM
Last page is standard Monica related or UX fixes
 
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
Well this is the worst non apology ever, nothing can beat it:
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Q: An apology to our community, and next steps

anonI’m David Fullerton, Stack Overflow’s CTO, responsible for the product, engineering, and community teams. I joined Stack Overflow in 2010 because I believed in the vision and mission of Stack Overflow. I wanted to be a part of building a community where programmers come together to help one anot...

discussion stack-exchange moderation code-of-conduct
 
Starship - On Strike
Starship - On Strike
um...ours is definetly second though
 
mousetail
mousetail
There hasn't been an apology yet
 
Starship - On Strike
Starship - On Strike
the whole post about the mod strike by se
 
mousetail
mousetail
That's not a apology
 
Starship - On Strike
Starship - On Strike
11:47 AM
also this does have a 33% upvote rate...
 
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
@mousetail and not even admitting they made any mistake.
 
mousetail
mousetail
This is an example of a great apology: https://blog.rust-lang.org/2023/05/29/RustConf.html
Not afraid to admit fault
 
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
@mousetail only if backed with actions.
David's post seemed sincere too, but turned out to be empty words.
Hence the worst possible thing.
 
Starship - On Strike
Starship - On Strike
completly agree
 
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
You don't want to apologize? Fine, then don't.
 
mousetail
mousetail
11:50 AM
Of course, but the non-apologies blaming the reaction rather than the action that caused it nowadays frustrate me imensiley
 
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
Don't lie and make us feel dumb.
 
SPArcheon
SPArcheon
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack to be honest, I felt something was very wrong with that post from the start.
 
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
@SPArcheon well, you have a radar for that. ;)
 
SPArcheon
SPArcheon
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack It was excessively trying to shift the focus on the fact that the company is working to be inclusive.
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack left you a link to my last post in your Den, have a look if you wish
 
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
@SPArcheon already had a look, thanks.
 
Starship - On Strike
Starship - On Strike
11:58 AM
the first page of searching stack exchange now has 3 results related to the strike, that is more than ever (even in 2019 it never topped 2)
new mind actually 4
 
mousetail
mousetail
 
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
@Starship-OnStrike not really. Only one showing for me. It's not accessible so removing link.
 
Starship - On Strike
Starship - On Strike
 
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
@Starship-OnStrike Google showing different results for each user, based on various things e.g. location, past searches, etc.
 
SPArcheon
SPArcheon
@mousetail start here.
in Not a bar, but plays one on TV on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, Apr 1, 2019 at 8:30, by Derpy
@BESW .....you may want to have a look at these questions:
 
Starship - On Strike
Starship - On Strike
12:04 PM
fair enough, maybe its because i didnt put stack exchange in quotes @ShadowWizardStrikesBack
 
SPArcheon
SPArcheon
@mousetail I am quite proud of that post, if others want to pretend it was a welcoming joke, their choice.
 
mousetail
mousetail
I totatlly get it
 
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
@SPArcheon it was a joke, not welcoming and not hostile. From what I remember.
 
SPArcheon
SPArcheon
no it wasn't.
in Not a bar, but plays one on TV on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, Apr 2, 2019 at 15:48, by Derpy
I know that this was an April Fools joke, but I have ADHD. When Stack Overflow is full of distractions, it makes it really hard for me to get my work done. I just had to exit off a page because it was overwhelming me. And yes, I am medicated. This is an accessibility issue.
Tweeted by LittleKope on April 1, 2019 at 8:43 PM
 
mousetail
mousetail
A button to turn it off would have sufficed
 
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
12:06 PM
Again, can't say it didn't offend anyone, just not being hostile on purpose.
 
SPArcheon
SPArcheon
at least no when you then handwave a bunch of users felling actual discomfort as "not significant"
 
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
@mousetail well, yes.
That's probably the reason they don't do the jokes anymore, which is fine. And showing they do care about such feedback.
 
mousetail
mousetail
I'm sad about that
 
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
(or doing something like dancing staff members.)
@mousetail meh, the good ones were the mini games, but that took too much dev efforts so they didn't want to keep wasting money.
 
mousetail
mousetail
We still have winter bash at least
 
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
12:11 PM
I bet there won't be winter bash anymore as well, company will focus on AI only.
 
mousetail
mousetail
If there is no winter bash I'm going to strike
 
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
Or, make winter bash AI oriented.
@mousetail double strike? ;)
 
mousetail
mousetail
Please no
Hopefully the current strike doesn't last until winter
 
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
@mousetail pointing to CEO ;)
@mousetail isn't there some rule "You may strike only once a year"? :D
heh soon it will be 1000 people signing, and it might even surpass the amount of my unread inbox items! (1110, and counting)
 
mousetail
mousetail
Winter bash normally lasts into January
Plenty of time to strike then
 
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
12:15 PM
@mousetail year since last strike. ;)
 
SPArcheon
SPArcheon
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack not sure that is the reason. They stopped doing that during covid, then they went on without new jokes. Seems more like covid provided the opportunity to stop spending money for an event that just lasts a day
 
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
@SPArcheon might be this as well, yeah.
With no communication whatsoever, we'll never know. :/
One can ask on MSE "Why no April Fools anymore", and it would be same as asking a wall.
Sign of a strike #128: no diamond in MSE homepage.
Well, tea time.
 
SPArcheon
SPArcheon
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack Sign of a strike #29495, I have reached rep-cap more times during this mess than during WB
 
RHER WOLF
RHER WOLF
Hi, what site is for computing methods for solving math optimization problems?
 
Andreas detests censorship
Andreas detests censorship
12:31 PM
@RHERWOLF We’re on strike.
 
mousetail
mousetail
We are striking from moderation actions, not helping people. That being said I wouldn't know what site that would be
 
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
@SPArcheon yeah, that's about the only good thing coming out of those bad things. Rep, sweet rep. :D
I made thousands in past rep fests aka official events.
 
SPArcheon
SPArcheon
@RHERWOLF try to have a look here and check if your question fits.
 
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
unstriking @SPA
 
SPArcheon
SPArcheon
sorry, can't provide much more.
 
RHER WOLF
RHER WOLF
12:35 PM
Thanks
 
Meta Andrew T.
Meta Andrew T.
12:53 PM
@RHERWOLF I've heard of Operations Research though have never participated there. Perhaps checking some of their questions and help page might help.
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack true but I am recapping 😒
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
1:18 PM
@SPArcheon I mean, the devil is in the details. Just because we know the robot needs to have a head doesn't mean we'd be good at designing one without virtue signaling--and I mean thay in the neutral sense of the phrase: People react far less favorably to being told how to behave, and yet a monster bashing robot can't have a school for a head
I used so many metaphors there I lost myself
 
SPArcheon
SPArcheon
@M.A.R. again, context.
When you use the contact us form three times to report an user who posted a picture of a bearded man in a pink jumpsuit in Shadow's den and claimed that mlp/pony/whatever fans are "mentally ill people" and yet no one acted, but the same post disappeared immediately after you put it under the eyes of everyone in the tavern and apathy was no longer an option...
When the company repeatedly uses a condescending way of speak, non apologizes and so on
When terms like "rep whore" or "you were downvoted because Tim's key so stop crying kiddo" where used for years until they became socially unacceptable...
You grow very suspicious of something that looks very little 80' and very much the stereotype of a "young girl who likes unicorns blog"
now, had the site looked something like this instead...
I would have been fine with it (other than the other tangential issue of the style being a accessibility issue since it was active by default)
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
1:40 PM
Meh. You're letting your bad mood rub off onto it. It was supposed to look like a childish 90s site, and it did.
It had accessibility problems, sure.
But all the other things have nothing to do with it.
 
SPArcheon
SPArcheon
First, if you mean my "bad mod" now, well... the post was made just a tad before today...
Second, I guess quite a bit of users in that room was "bad mod" that day then.
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
I didn't make any typos in that message. I wrote bad mood, that's what it shows here.
 
mousetail
mousetail
You never make typos, impressive
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
Yep, that's me.
 
mousetail
mousetail
Must contain at least one typo
 
SPArcheon
SPArcheon
1:54 PM
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
2:22 PM
@mousetail I make typos enough for the entire team
@SPArcheon I still don't like rep whore and help vampire
 
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
@SPArcheon reverse of the one you always give me?
 
SPArcheon
SPArcheon
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack not exactly.
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Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
3:17 PM
@JourneymanGeek not a big fan of the whore either. That should be something more gender agnostic, like sex worker. ;) The help vampire is meh to me...
 
PM 2Ring
PM 2Ring
3:37 PM
My preferred terminology is "rep farmer", but maybe that's not negative enough. I don't find "help vampire" overly offensive... would "help leech" or "help parasite" be better or worse? ;)
 
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
Vampire has negative meaning because they don't just suck blood, they kill people, and overall evil. Probably leech would be better. ;)
 
PM 2Ring
PM 2Ring
@SPArcheon Can you do an image illustrating "Paving the road forward with AI and community at the center"? I'm thinking a steamroller (maybe with the ChatGPT logo) rolling over a bunch of people, leaving a path of flattened bodies...
 
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
lol
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack Because leeches don't suck blood or (in case of some) infect with deadly stuff so kill? ;)
 
PM 2Ring
PM 2Ring
OTOH, some people think vampires are attractive... which I've always found a bit weird.
 
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
Shadow Wizard Strikes Back
3:43 PM
@Tinkeringbell they don't? Thought they're used to suck blood out as part of medical treatments.
@PM2Ring violence is attractive. :D
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack They can transfer a host of diseases depending on what their previous dinner carried
 
PM 2Ring
PM 2Ring
Also, some vampires don't kill all their victims. They make them into a vampire too, so they become immortal.
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
Some are watermelons
 
DavidPostill
DavidPostill
@PM2Ring Vampires are not immortal - garlic and stakes through the heart is claimed to kill them.
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
I thought garlic just repelled... Not killed?
 
DavidPostill
DavidPostill
3:48 PM
Six Ways to Stop a Vampire
 
Example person
Example person
@DavidPostill for real? National geographic?
 
PM 2Ring
PM 2Ring
Leeches aren't as bad as ticks, though. Leeches (mostly) just inject you with a short-acting anti-coagulant that mostly acts locally. Whereas ticks can inject toxins that can have much broader & long-term effects. And of course there are much nastier parasites, but I'll spare you the details...
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
@PM2Ring Oh sure. There's this nice TV series on them, "Monsters inside me"
 
DavidPostill
DavidPostill
@Exampleperson Yep
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
Good late night TV :P
 
SPArcheon
SPArcheon
3:53 PM
@PM2Ring no need to make a new one.
 
PM 2Ring
PM 2Ring
FWIW, in the SO Python chat room, we use "garlic" as a code word for "possible help vampire detected, proceed with caution".
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
Now I know where the pointy sticks come from...
 
SPArcheon
SPArcheon
^ @PM2Ring coincidentally, the company reply historically has been quite similar.
 
PM 2Ring
PM 2Ring
@SPArcheon They aren't quite as bad as Vogons.
 
SPArcheon
SPArcheon
> Prosser: Have you any idea how much damage this bulldozer would suffer if I were to let it roll straight over you?

Arthur Dent: How much?

Prosser: None at all.
 
Example person
Example person
3:56 PM
Which is the highest voted question across SE now?
There are no network wide sede queries, are there?
 
PM 2Ring
PM 2Ring
But that's just one guy, not a community. And there's no steamroller.
 
Example person
Example person
Surely mse or so. I am not talking about upvotes, I am in general talking about votes
 
PM 2Ring
PM 2Ring
@Exampleperson My bet would be on an SO question. Some of them have insanely high scores.
 
Rocket Nikita
Rocket Nikita
@Exampleperson score or number of upvotes?
 
Example person
Example person
What does score (in this context) exactly mean, I never thought of learning about it
 
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