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12:00 AM
Also, many teens don't know how to cook. This isn't the 1940s. I adopted a kid (not a teen) so naturally she's no better than I am in that regard. I can't imagine adopting a teenager because you saw an add that said they might be able to prepare meals for you and help you with computer problems.
That just seems like such a scummy way to convince people to adopt. It will end up badly for both the parent(s) and the teen.
 
lol
and you don't generally teach a kid to cook to "be the help"
Its more of a survival skill for the future
 
And a way of sharing household responsibility.
But many times it's often more work than just making the food yourself.
If you factor in the amount of food lost/ruined or tools damaged (disposal run without water...)
 
lol
My mom kinda says that about dad 🤣
 
heh
Well, at least it's not like foster care where half the people involved in that are doing it for monetary reasons (I always think of Bender from Futurama...). There's a reason foster care is so often considered to be more harmful than communal orphanages.
 
12:16 AM
ping?
The maintance has started by the way
hold on to your <redacted>
 
kk
> This site is temporarily in read only mode and not accepting new answers.
the horror!
 
lol
I was halfway through writing an answer
I hope it got saved lol
 
Rob
Try an old answer
 
Oh, it was mostly there
@forestdistrustsStackExchange hah
Funny story that...
I've been messing with cheap HDMI switchers and I had one connected in between my dad's TV and the set top box...
which suddenly, after a week, decided HCDP had failed and ... stopped working
bypassing the switcher didn't work and I had to reboot the set to box ._.
 
12:32 AM
HDCP is a cancer.
So is CEC for that matter.
 
lol
Like any DRM, it mainly gives the honest issues ;)
 
Some old games had a nasty DRM-like system where the instructions booklet contained a hidden code needed to get past 80% or so of the game. Once you hit that 80% mark, the game asks you to input the code from the booklet. The idea was that a pirated game won't come with the booklet, so people will get stuck in the game. The actual results were that everyone who threw away the booklet also couldn't continue playing the game through.
 
DRM as a one time pad :D
I kinda missed that whole era
@user1271772 I believe that someone tried this to get smoke detector rep fast and.... TPTB disapproved this. There was also a troll who was using this to get socks up fast for voting rings... so... just don't.
 
Rob
12:50 AM
🆙
 
Rob
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@forestdistrustsStackExchange that seems to be a blue box with tiny text saying UP!
.... I'm about as confused as you are.
🔼(White triangle pointing up in blue square) or ⬆ (upward arrow) seems more intuituve
 
Forest doth not abide the emoji :D
 
1:12 AM
@forestdistrustsStackExchange A very mechanical device known as a pen and paper or analog photocopier could bypass said protection
...as well as Usenet
 
@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog Oh for sure, but this was from the 90s, remember.
And most people wouldn't know how to do that.
 
I think I once stumbled across forum posts from the 80s
 
You sure it was a forum post and not an archive of a telnet BBS or something?
 
there was no WWW till the early 90s
 
^
Online interactive version of the first web browser.
(And yes, you do have to double click hyperlinks)
 
 
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3:38 AM
Neuromorphic engineering, also known as neuromorphic computing, is the use of very-large-scale integration (VLSI) systems containing electronic analog circuits to mimic neuro-biological architectures present in the nervous system. In recent times, the term neuromorphic has been used to describe analog, digital, mixed-mode analog/digital VLSI, and software systems that implement models of neural systems (for perception, motor control, or multisensory integration). The implementation of neuromorphic computing on the hardware level can be realized by oxide-based memristors, spintronic memories...
 
 
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5:46 AM
@Feeds Don't onebox it...
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6:34 AM
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7:13 AM
@Rob Thanks for the link. Yeah I do recall some tried something like that but forgot about it...still, there a lot to say about that here, so I probably will refrain saying it here ;)
 
7:37 AM
must be quite the backlog by now...
@JNat cross site spammer: stackexchange.com/users/21723187/…
 
7:49 AM
So this planned maintanance thing is completed right?
Perhaps we should update the featured post then?
Do you have any details @Ayo
 
Now we have unplanned maintenance in our office...
 
@MetaAndrewT. Thats called coffeebreak
 
8:17 AM
@forestdistrustsStackExchange well not "hate" like that. Right now every political subreddit is brimming with constant tiring irrational bickering from both wannabe liberals and wannabe conservatives. And not even about anything interesting, just the same tape playing over and over.
The same few positions on the same issues, and not one smarter take on anything. Nobody even tries, because the Reddit upvotes go to the biggest roast.
I haven't subbed to anything like r/conservative or that racist crap, even though they might sometimes be entertaining. But to me, broadly speaking, even r/political humor is a hate sub. Not a sub for prejudice against minority or anything, just a sub full of constant pointless basic hate.
@forestdistrustsStackExchange so just like before Pro-sus.
And to get a bit more involved with the politics, to me, it makes no sense what these half-assed liberals are doing. Frustration is not an excuse. They're playing right into the hands of the same people they're meming about by constantly antagonizing the average uneducated guy, who in a more tolerant world, could form the backbone of social movements.
 
8:47 AM
@M.A.R. Actually... there's some small evidence that the average uneducated guy, in this intolerant world, is already more and more forming the backbone of social movements.
E.g. there's some research (I listened to a podcast about it) that shows that social media is becoming more and more effective in rallying 'uneducated' people to riots/demonstrations.
 
9:33 AM
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@rene got promoted to housekeeping ;)
 
XD
 
9:51 AM
ok, let's get started with clearing this backlog... :P
 
In 3.. 2.. 1.. GO!
 
@Luuklag gone
 
And we're off to a slow start...
 
the account had a lot of profiles
and I'm working off a single monitor this week
 
9:59 AM
inorite
I hate the laptop's builtin keyboard
 
I don't think I'm anywhere, home or work with less than 2
 
and I miss my mechanical keyboard
 
clicky-tie-click
 
I'm half tempted to use my work flexi benefit to get a nice one for work :D
 
10:00 AM
we offer the sounds ...
 
also, working from a couch is not great for my neck xD
 
lol
I think I have one of those breakfast trays for that
 
@JNat you could setup keybind/macro to zoom in and out. just an idea
 
@Luuklag apparently all gone too
 
probably was reported by someone else in this chat
happened too last time I spotted a spammer on Unix.SE
 
10:02 AM
@NordTheLoftyWizard the problem is not zooming in or out, but rather the fact that the laptop is actually on my lap
 
@JNat oh, yeah I see what you mean...that can strain your neck/and back fast
 
@Luuklag same as the above
 
I do it sometimes too, but don't think I got a trick for this yet
 
I guess I could sit at a table... :P
 
@JNat I'm curious... what happened that your workspace got downgraded to a single monitored laptop on a couch?
 
10:03 AM
at least a bit better
@Tinkeringbell having kitchen and bathroom redone, so had to relocate for 1~2 weeks
 
that work yeah :D
There those folding table you can get for cheap, might work for you if you're at place with no table or if it's too far etc
 
@JNat Ah, that's a good sacrifice to make though, I guess.
 
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@Tinkeringbell time will tell xD
 
True. For all you know, they'll only make things worse!
 
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@Tinkeringbell all I told my landlady was that the shower was dripping and needed replacing
and she was like "should we redo the whole bathroom?"
"and the kitchen, if you want?"
sure, why not :P
 
10:08 AM
Ah... she wants you to pay more rent :P
(eventually)
 
nah, don't think that's gonna happen
 
or maybe she want you to stay/not move places?
 
I think she's aware that our rent is already high-ish
so it's more of a making up for the price we already pay, I think
 
That would be nice, if that's true! She's a good landlady then :)
Not like the ones you see on tv ;)
 
that's been my experience so far, yes
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@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard meh, not much else going on, so not gonna do anything to it
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10:33 AM
Hmmmm SE notifications box is slow in picking them up, all these pings
 
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Well thats a nice 2 weeks backlog
 
@Luuklag pings take 15 minutes to go to the inbox, if I'm not mistaken
if you don't read 'em too
 
Ah yeah thats the case
 
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@Luuklag crappy content, but I didn't see anything I'd call spam
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@Tinkeringbell cleaned up 21 minutes ago, apparently — so one that had been previously reported and somewhere in those "gone"s above ;P
 
10:54 AM
Makes sense, it was their second post on MSE already
 
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@Tinkeringbell well, social media has also polarized people into forgetting about what they really want
 
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11:10 AM
@M.A.R. I'll admit you're right on that.
 
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@Luuklag handled ~1h go, so prolly lost in the responses above somewhere
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and so is my backlog
\o/
 
woohoo!
Time for weekend :P
 
ahahahh
still have an afternoon ahead of me
but I like the spirit
 
Just a little over an hour to go here... I snuck in some work during the evenings this week so I can take some time to do a bit of essential shopping this afternoon.
Sorry to hear you have that long left!
 
Isn't it like... late morning there?
 
11:21 AM
Over here? No, it's almost 13:30
 
I'm 8 hours behind GMT
I can never remember if its BST or not
 
@JNat you can take some spirits and ger a pre-weekend party started ;)
@JourneymanGeek Dutchies are GMT+1
But we do use DST, to make things easier ;)
 
@Luuklag But we change that twice a year :P
 
@Tinkeringbell not working on the afternoon, then?
 
Like I said before you @Tinkeringbell ;)
 
11:24 AM
@JNat One more meeting until 14:30... and then I'm out yeah.
 
I got an hour or so left till the kids wake up, thenbits weekend for me too
 
@Tinkeringbell ooooh, neat
 
Yeah, I'm loving that part of working from home, it's much more flexible and I'm not spending the days at home catching up for time I took on office days for commuting (I used to be at the office only 7/7,5 hours a day, just because with commuting that made for 12 hour days).
 
@Tinkeringbell thats what relocation premiums are for ;)
Should the maintance post be unfeatured btw before you all head off for weekend @JNat?
 
@Luuklag I'll check with Taryn once she's up, but I assume so, yes
 
11:33 AM
@Luuklag Yes and no? I mean, it's also a bit my fault for wanting to do everything by public transport and refusing to park my bike at the station for any thief to take :P
 
@JNat okay sure thing. I thought she might be taking the day off after staying late ;)
@Tinkeringbell mind reopening this, and then closing as dupe as suggested in the comments by Shadow?
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Q: Why do I get these annoying text labels that are in the way on all sites?

Fredrik KarlssonI get these text bubbles on all sites that are in the way. See below: How can I disable them? (And why do I get them now?)

 
Done!
 
12:13 PM
@JNat Thx :), appears fixed now.
 
Ayo
1:02 PM
Hi Luuklag, the maintenance went as planned everything is fine and the MSE post has been updated!

The featured tag has also been taken out.
 
Yeah I noticed, but thanks for replying Ayo :)
 
1:59 PM
@Luuklag does SmokeDetector actually receive what you ping it with or is that just feedback for the mod who'll see it? (always wanted to ask this since I wasn't sure)
 
@NordTheLoftyWizard k will translate to "True positive + blacklist user" feedback on the report, and the following text will be left as a comment on behalf of Luuklag on the report.
 
@Spevacus I see :o is there a doc about this or some detail?
 
2:16 PM
@NordTheLoftyWizard There's a big ol' list of commands doc, but feedbacking on reports requires you to be privileged with Smokey. Once you are, you can use the privileged commands as reply. There's also an introduction to participating in Charcoal, should you be so inclined.
 
@NordTheLoftyWizard And if you want to see what others left as feedback, you can click the link part "MS" at the start of each line.
 
Thanks for the detailed info! :D @Spevacus @Luuklag
 
/o/
 
 
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8:22 PM
@Journ Not sure if you press the nuke button for spammy suggested edits, but here's another one: meta.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/78372
 
8:52 PM
How do I get a comment in chat of mine that I wrote yesterday deleted?
 
Uhh... Flag it and explain why
 
What if I want it deleted because it was very bad advice and got starred?
I.e. it's not rude or offensive, just... bad.
> Please do not use this feature for anything other than informing moderators of serious issues that require their attention.
:(
On the info page ^
 
It'll depend on the mod but I don't generally find "This is wrong and I'd like to have it removed"... problematic.
... as long as you're not doing it frequently.
 
in The Side Channel on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 12 hours ago, by Squeamish Ossifrage
@forest Applied Cryptography delenda est
 
imo, best option is just have the RO move it to the trash room
 
8:58 PM
Huh, I'm an RO in that room. How do I move it?
 
if it's not revealing sensitive info or abusive/against the coc, it can stick around just like everything else
 
Can I unstar it with "cancel stars" or does that remove everything from the board?
 
you can unstar it
moving it requires clicking "move message" in the dropdown on the right
 
I unstarred it. I think that should be sufficient.
On another note, if someone is calling someone else out as a troll and editing their info into a meta post list of trolls (when it's a new user who, at least to me, doesn't seem like a troll), does that violate the CoC?
 
9:15 PM
At least halfway yeah... I'd probably throw it under the meta post being in violation of this one instead of CoC, just to avoid discussion on whether or not calling a troll a troll is a CoC violation ;)
 
there's a meta post that lists trolls?
 
Well I'm thinking particularly of parenting.meta.stackexchange.com/q/1432/35525
@KevinB Not MSE. But a recent potentially-controversial question was asked on Parenting.SE and it was immediately added to a list of troll posts.
 
that really shouldn't exist, at least not publicly
 
That post basically lists every post that OP thinks sounds too controversial and attaches the label "troll" to them.
 
@forestdistrustsStackExchange It's not directly calling someone out though, like you led me to believe with your first remark. While it may not be necessary to keep updating the list, I don't think it's as bad as you led me to believe at first.
It's... linking questions, that's what a lot of meta posts do to focus on behavior, not users.
 
9:23 PM
@Tinkeringbell Yeah I don't mean the issue is calling the person out by name so much as calling their post a troll post. I suppose I should have said "post" instead of "info", since the latter could sound like it's referring to dox.
 
When unsure, you can always raise a flag on Parenting Meta. I think the problem you'd want to address is that the question is being used to keep a list, which kinda goes contrary to the mod answer there that says to just downvote, closevote and/or flag.
But I'm no Parenting mod, and I don't know if they're okay with this/aware of this already etc.
 
9:41 PM
OP's a former mod
so I would think the mods are aware
 
I know. But it still seems kinda wrong to immediately label a potentially controversial post as a troll.
 
i mean, sometimes we just gotta call things what they are
 
Is there evidence that it is a troll, though?
 
the post, or the user
 
As an (ex) troll myself, I have to say it really doesn't seem like a troll, but rather a concerned and rather scared parent. I guess this is a little personal to me because I've been in a similar situation.
 
9:47 PM
@forestdistrustsStackExchange I get where you're coming from but didn't Parenting have some very special insistent trolls?
Sounds like the post might be about them? Maybe with a little hint of expansion so as not to make it so localized.
 
It might, but if that was the case, I'd expect the reaction to be different.
 
it does have all the tale tale signs
 
Like what? It describes a situation that is common.
 
@forestdistrustsStackExchange hm? What reaction?
 
Punishing a child for something that it turned out wasn't their fault.
 
9:48 PM
post, never respond, never come back
 
@M.A.R. As in, if it was a known troll, I'd expect it to be deleted quickly.
 
but beating them till they can't sit?
 
Well, most people post and never respond or come back. That's just how most people on SE do it.
@Aibobot You've never spanked or been spanked, have you?
 
Nope
 
yes, but parenting has a particular set of trolls that aren't the normal
 
9:50 PM
@M.A.R. Ah. Maybe it is one of them, but I took the reaction (calling them a troll) to be based exclusively on the fact that the post is likely to be controversial to some.
But of course, I don't have all the information. It very well could be a specific known troll.
 
or a common pattern
"Don't get outraged or overreact" is decent advice tho
 
Thing is, I've been in that exact situation, hurt my kid and felt absolutely terrible afterwards. It's a little irritating to me to see someone in that situation getting called a troll and having advice potentially withheld.
 
posts like that paint a particular opinion as absurd, by taking that opinion to the extreme.
 
it's a relatively common tactic. whether this one was one such a post, i can't really answer, i'm sure the mods there are used to seeing it
 
9:52 PM
I mean, how is the opinion absurd? Lots of people employ corporal punishment.
 
it's akin to a strawman argument. you take an argument, tweak it to one noone would ever support (that importantly isn't the same argument you started with) then present it
 
That's not what the OP is doing though.
 
how do you know?
 
Because it's not an extreme argument that no one would support.
It's an argument that's controversial, but has lots of support in much of the world.
 
...
 
9:54 PM
Assuming you're referring to the concept of spanking as punishment.
 
Well, sometimes trolls stay 'just' almost on the side where they seem nearly reasonable
they're not all caracatures.
 
@forestdistrustsStackExchange that's basically my point
 
Sure, which means that the line is blurred.
 
you're still calling it something it isn't
 
What do you mean?
 
9:56 PM
a beating and a spanking are distinctly different. an easy way to defeat an argument supporting it is to simply always consider one to be the other
 
It didn't sound like a beating to me, just (hard) spanking.
I think of a beating as fists and feet, not simply open-palm spanking that was a little too hard.
If OP said "I beat my kid unconscious because she used the wrong grammar and now her breathing is shallow and rapid halp what do I do did I screw up" I'd agree, but it's nothing that extreme.
Just "I made a mistake and spanked my kid for something that wasn't her fault. Now she's sore and thinks I don't like her". Although it conceivably could be a troll, I don't think that's definite.
 
Rob
10:14 PM
Some schools still have caning (assaulting someone else's child with a weapon): en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caning#School_corporal_punishment
When I was in Elementary School we had:
Strapping refers to the use of a strap as an implement of corporal punishment. It is typically a broad and heavy strip of leather, often with a hard handle, the more flexible 'blade' being applied to the offender. Probably because of the stiffness, the word "strap" is sometimes used interchangeably with a leather paddle. Other terms that are used interchangeably include whipping, lashing, and confusingly even in some official language, belting—in principle a belt is lighter, without a handle. These terms are strictly speaking reserved for other implements. The Scottish tawse is a forked version...
 
Yeah that crosses from simple punishment to beating.
 
Rob
Also the use of a weapon, instead of the hand, resulting in a likelihood of imprisonment; but not in those days.
 
I don't think it's a weapon since it's not intended to injure, maim, or kill.
But it's certainly an instrument that amplifies pain, which is not good.
Plus when you're using a tool, you can't as easily feel how hard you're hitting.
If you use your bare hands, you can much more easily tell if you're going overboard.
Simply because, unlike with a cane, it starts to hurt you if you do it too hard.
 
eh, not necessarily. Maybe in the case of a strap like above, here they used a thin (but broad/wide) wooden paddle, less likely to cause any kind of injury.
 
10:21 PM
IMO the instrument isn't the important distinction, it's why it's occurring. a reflexive action, such as the one described in that question, paired with the severity, that's not coming from a place of trying to correct an incorrect behavior
Trying to treat it as the same is the problem with such posts, or why someone may falsely create such posts
 
The same as what?
I think there's also a big difference between a school doing it and parents doing it.
 
i don't
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
Because it's painful?
 
because there's a purpose behind it
 
I think it's preferable in some cases to the other psychological punishments we inflict on children in its place.
 
10:26 PM
an intent to change behavior, rather than just a reactionary act to something that upset you
 
Changing behavior is sometimes necessary, but yeah a short-sighted reactionary act of spanking is much more likely to leave psychological scars.
 
Rob
Something not of your body used against another is a weapon, use of hand, elbow, knee, barefoot is not a weapon; an object (including light) can be a weapon: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weapon cahillcriminaldefense.com/blog/2019/may/…
 
> A weapon, arm or armament is any implement or device that can be used with the intent to inflict damage or harm.
Caning doesn't need to inflict damage or harm. It's not supposed to be used hard enough for that.
Although maybe it does count as a weapon because it could be used that way?
 
Rob
Michael Peter Fay (born May 30, 1975) is an American who was sentenced to six strokes of the cane in Singapore in 1994 for theft and vandalising 18 cars over a ten-day period in September 1993, which caused a temporary strain in relations between Singapore and the United States. Fay pleaded guilty, but he later claimed that he was advised that such a plea would preclude caning and that his confession was false, that he never vandalized any cars, and that the only crime he committed was stealing road signs. Although caning is a routine court sentence in Singapore, Fay's case garnered some controversy...
 
10:46 PM
Well, at least we can agree that it's often a dangerous and over-used technique. :P
 
Rob
10:57 PM
Misleading a whole town caries a severe punishment (2nd link): en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rajm en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoning#Judaism
 
11:55 PM
Ugh, why can't SE use a shared cookie to authenticate me on all their sites?
It's very irritating when logging in to security.stackexchange.com also logs me in to crypto.stackexchange.com, but not to superuser.com or stackoverflow.com.
 

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