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4:10 AM
Holy dang, there are some poisonous/fallacious philosophies on what constitutes an "approvable" suggested edit. Should SE do more to educate reviewers in all communities? meta.askubuntu.com/q/19819/955434
 
 
4:26 AM
@mickmackusa One user kinda does have a point with the whole "I'd like to have space for edits in the queue for folks to change newer, badly written posts" but there's no reason why one should reject there. If the edit improves the post and the changes themselves aren't unnecessary, why reject it?
I could see rejecting a suggested edit on an off-topic post that's bound for deletion (we have that happen uncommonly on this site), but...
Doesn't apply to anything in that question.
 
4:46 AM
Well, some people get grumpy over bumping
and there's some AU internal drama over EOL questions
 
5:24 AM
@Spevacus So does Stack Exchange want to make a decree that only people who are sufficiently aware of all "close reasons" (such as duplicates) should be allowed to suggest edits? On the other hands, we could look at it like: "Okay, you suggested a reasonable edit to a page that should go away -- here is your +2, thanks for bring it to our attention -- we'll begin the process of closing and deleting the page." ...in the realm of acting on good faith.
 
 
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Rob
6:52 AM
@mickmackusa Actually you could lose the +2, and all the time spent by everyone could be for naught. @spev
The reviewer's response: matigo and Paul - the work to be done ought to have been flag it as NAA instead of bumping the question.
The OP, who posted one question several years ago and never came back, gave a bad answer to their poor question and accepted it.
 
@Tinkeringbell sure, just messing with you... :P
@Rob huh, never heard of such thing.
 
Rob
Describing the reviewers as having "poisonous/fallacious philosophies" is a good way to receive no further replies from them as to why they took specific actions while reviewing.
@ShadowWizardIsVaccinatedV3 Time to research.
 
@Rob agree, there are many such "fakes" in Israel, usually private brand of supermarkets that they sell cheap and buy even cheaper from countries like Turkey.
So the supermarket making sure the fake looks like the original, removes the original from the shelves or bury it in some hidden place, then boasts how its private brand sells well.
Not really the case with my coffee delivery, just related.
(delivery which by the way still didn't arrive)
 
Rob
Apparently getting one with inexpensive yet good quality seals is the trick (or a screw-on lid that's easy to use), you don't want to lose too much of the money you are saving with time spent fiddling with it, and low quality seals that are expensive.
 
@mickmackusa dang is holy relic indeed. :P
 
7:15 AM
@Rob In all honesty, I did not know that the +2 from an approved edit is removed when a post is deleted. But that works in favor of my argument -- just approve a good edit to a bad post if the edit is an improvement. If the +2 goes away, then it was for a good reason -- not because the editor could not differentiate between a good post and a bad post.
 
@mickmackusa as a 'new' editor, that's one of the things we want people to pick up
 
How is it that I only see 4 suggested edits in the queue and I have 5 pending edits. I was under the impression that Ask Ubuntu was hitting their daily limit, but I count only 9; and only 3 reviewers today. imgur.com/a/LnPvEQX Am I missing something because of my low rep?
@Rob why are you talking about Not An Answer when I only suggested an edit of the question?
@Rob Why would I need further replies from them? They already offered their fallacious justifications for their review.
 
7:37 AM
@mickmackusa weird, I see 14:
And lower rep than you on that site.
So maybe it removes your own suggested edits? Dunno.
BTW, forgot to welcome you to the Tavern, we have a tradition here. Ready?
 
@ShadowWizardIsVaccinatedV3 Yes, I assume it removes my own, but I don't know if I am more confused by the count being off or the count being very, very low. I was under the impression that the reason my pending edits weren't being ruled-on was because the edit queue was teeming with suggested edits.
 
@ShadowWizardIsVaccinatedV3 brews a cup of jQuery for @mick
 
Enjoy your hot jQuery! :D
 
Yes, I am familiar with this from over at SOCVRs. Thanks for the cuppa.
 
7:41 AM
@mickmackusa oh, lol. Cheers!
@mickmackusa yeah the counter if off and/or confusing from the very beginning, nobody really knows how it really works and calculated. I suspect not even the developers.
 
pfft. scary.
 
It's using complex caches, depends on the logged user own edits, and tons more factors.
Might be related:
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Q: Number of suggested edits seems to include own edits

Wladimir PalantOn the new History beta site I have the privilege to approve tag edits already but my own edits still go into the review queue. And the review dashboard displays a different number of pending edits depending on where I am: on https://history.stackexchange.com/review/first-answers I see one pendin...

looking on @Luuk
:P
(he'll understand)
 
I do xD
1 letter edits are the best though
 
8:01 AM
:P
Two letters in SE terms, it counts the whole word as a change.
 
Yeah, that's true. SE's algorithm isn't that smart
 
@Luuklag flagging as unfriendly to past developer who had to write SO from scratch in less than a year
:D
They just never rewrote that part of review, lol
 
Rob
@mickmackusa I don't disagree with what you wrote here, I think that the reason "changes were unnecessary" is what the reviewers picked up on; as JG pointed out the work being done should be applied in the most helpful area, and that if there's extra work polishing things (or rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic) that people are being discouraged from doing it (in a round about way).
@mickmackusa I have a low reputation there, and see the same as @Sha with the first couple of queues having fewer remaining reviews now.
This is the reviewer stats I see:
 
AU has 14 suggested edits in the review queue, and I don't even have the ability to review anything there
 
Rob
8:16 AM
@mickmackusa They've saved themselves some extra work in the future then.
You are more than welcome to post an answer at one of these links, vote, or do nothing with that information.
 
@JNat cross site spammer for your backlog stackexchange.com/users/23390942/freevpntutorials?tab=accounts
 
Rob
Once that answer is deleted the question can be automatically deleted: unix.stackexchange.com/help/roomba meta.stackoverflow.com/q/262077/3648282
 
@Rob your talking about the AU spam?
I flagged the other answer there as NAA
 
8:39 AM
MetaSmoke website is down?
 
@Luuklag looks like it :(
 
8:58 AM
hmmm appears to be broken, I think they were still in the edit window
 
@Luuklag yeah it's broken for a while now.
Nov 8 at 10:54, by Shadow Wizard Is Vaccinated V3
hmm didn't it use to delete?
And I'm almost sure it used to work on any Smokey message.
 
@ShadowWizardIsVaccinatedV3 only as long as it is in the edit window, otherwise Smokey can't delete their own posts, just like us mere mortals
 
@Luuklag yeah, that's correct.
 
sdc coffee Sha
 
@Luuklag brews a cup of Macchiato for @Sha
 
9:02 AM
@SmokeDetector poof
 
@SmokeDetector poof
Maybe two?
lol
!!/rev
 
Well some change broke it, can't really know when and why.
Might as well be on purpose, we can't know the devs motives.
@rene @tripleee any idea if the "poof" and "gone" commands were disabled on purpose?
(i.e. they don't do anything anymore.)
 
might also relate to the site being down? my sdc report earlier also didn't get a response
 
@Luuklag nah, MS is only for archive it doesn't affect Smokey actions as far as I can tell.
In the past when MS was down Smokey was very laggy and slow but looks like that was fixed, probably by sending asynchronous requests.
 
9:08 AM
@ShadowWizardIsVaccinatedV3 I would say no, I'm not super familiar with that part of Smokey's chat interface but I note that the code just blithely ignores any error from ChatExchange so there really is no way to know if it throws an exception
 
@tripleee huh, bummer.
 
@tripleee It's about time for a propper Chat API
 
R.I.P for gone and poof.
@Luuklag on SE side? lol
Won't happen.
 
!!/coffee
 
@tripleee brews a cup of jQuery for @tripleee
 
9:10 AM
oh delete too? Nice! So many aliases for same command. ;)
 
maybe at the very least we should log the exception
 
@ShadowWizardIsVaccinatedV3 Well I heard Phillipe mention that we might someday get a whole newly designed chat, so perhaps then they can include an API as well
 
DELETE_ALIASES = ["delete", "del", "remove", "poof", "gone", "kaboom"]
 
@tripleee yup. First rule of debugging... have error to work with...
@Luuklag doubtful but who knows...
@tripleee wow nice
 
@SmokeDetector yuck, I got jQuery again
 
9:11 AM
!!/coffee trip
 
@ShadowWizardIsVaccinatedV3 brews a cup of Affogato for @trip
 
sdc coffee trip
 
@Luuklag brews a cup of Ristretto for @trip
 
thanks, much better
 
9:12 AM
great minds...
 
yeah!! :D
BTW:
in Shadow's Den, 2 mins ago, by Shadow Wizard Is Vaccinated V3
Israel now starts its fifth COVID wave.
:(
!!/cure COVID
 
@ShadowWizardIsVaccinatedV3 No such command 'cure'.
 
I think our wave never stopped..
 
Anyhow by now it's obvious: COVID is going to be endless cycle of waves and vaccine as way to diminish them.
@Luuklag Europe is still deep in its fourth wave, and until enough people will get vaccinated (or sick) it won't stop.
It can't stop on its own just like that.
 
9:24 AM
the great purge has commenced xD
 
nah
One of the main "problems", as weird as it might sound, in my opinion, is that the symptoms aren't "terrible" enough, it's like flu. If people would turn into zombies, those still not infected would rush headlong to get vaccine.
That said, even I don't send my kids to get vaccine just yet. :/
 
yeah exactly, people have lost their fear of it. Except for those people at high risk of mortality, who will go into hermit mode
 
junk post, still up after Smokey reported it more than an hour ago mythology.stackexchange.com/a/10246/4174
 
@tripleee wow, a new site to join
quite a slow site with about 1 question or less per day
 
I seem to have joined in 2017, but I really would not have been able to tell you that
 
9:39 AM
@tripleee just saw that screenshot on your profile. Made me lol about the screennames of a certain editor
 
@Luuklag inspiration for when you need a sock puppet account
 
@tripleee I think that might result in quite a quick ban ;)
 
10:20 AM
@glo you deleted this, but shouldn't it be R/A-deleted: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/372231/…
 
@Luuklag Why? It's not offensive, just crap.
Anyway, Sheshtos is back!!1!!!
:D
It's a TV show where primary school kids compete, and the winning class gets free vacation as the prize.
 
10:39 AM
@ShadowWizardIsVaccinatedV3 well the cartoon isn't really any nice
@ShadowWizardIsVaccinatedV3 Can I compete, I could use a vacation
 
11:01 AM
also notice completely knucklehead robocomment
 
@tripleee yeah, replied to that
 
@Luuklag send your kids, join them. :D
@tripleee poofed
 
thks
things are slow when ms is down
 
always happy to flag
Unless its on my sites, in which case, always happy to OBLITERATE
 
@tripleee oh, not me, was poofed already when I checked. ;)
 
yup, it went almost immediately after I posted here
 
11:59 AM
@Luuklag Ah! Chinese comic spammer!
We've not had one in a while.
 
@ShadowWizardIsVaccinatedV3 I doubt their hebrew is sufficient ;)
 
Not with that attitude.... :D
 
@Luuklag meh, they just have to run and do silly tasks
:D
But the real bonus is the return of the show's host
Tal Mosseri (Hebrew: טל מוסרי‎; born August 30, 1939) is an Israeli actor, singer and television presenter. == Biography == Mosseri was born in Tel Aviv, Israel, to a Jewish family. He attended Thelma Yellin high school and studied acting at Tel Aviv Arts School. Before serving in the Israel Defense Forces, Mosseri was a member of a music band called Tzeirei Tel Aviv (Youth of Tel Aviv). In September 2005, Mosseri married Noam Ben-Gurion (granddaughter of David Ben-Gurion's nephew). They have two sons and a daughter.Mosseri is the older brother of actor and voice dubber Ido Mosseri. == ...
 
Did he fall down a shaft in combat with a balrog, and come back more powerful?
 
lol year of birth bit off
Turns our even Wikipedia editors are humans who make silly mistakes. :D
@JourneymanGeek yes! And bright white!
:P
proud of Paint skills
 
12:17 PM
White and gold? :D
 
(those are the same colours as the dress)
 
MS still down, maybe ask SE to host it, same way they host SEDE?
It's probably pretty expensive to host by a private person.
(and not stable, as we see...)
 
Hmmm might be about time to ask Sinterklaas for a new coffeemachine
Always getting lukewarm coffee these days
 
@ShadowWizardIsVaccinatedV3 Thomas seems to be getting a good deal out of Comcast otherwise as part of a plan his business pays for anyway ... But I've been thinking we should have a way to kick up a secondary instance when these things happen
 
Rob
12:30 PM
@ShadowWizardIsVaccinatedV3 Try a different program:
 
@Luuklag you're to blame. lukewarm to Luuklag
:D
So just change your name!
@tripleee yeah, that would be good.
@Rob +1, better than my skills
 
@ShadowWizardIsVaccinatedV3 lol
Damn I need to be cautious, I have my keyboard hooked up to my other laptop, so now there is a random "lol" in the code
 
@Luuklag oh god
@Luuklag I type a lot at work
and I have a 'client' PC and a 'Company' PC, which both have inadequete keyboards...
 
Yeah its just that I'm still waiting for my next 2nd monitor to arive, so doing things on 2 laptops now
cause why not.
 
12:35 PM
I swap between them with a nice keyboard and sometimes forgot
 
but I only have 1 external keyboard, which is now hooked up to the other laptop, cause I need to add extensive comments to the code
 
@Luuklag ... I brought my own monitor after getting fed up asking for a new one :D
 
Client: Support? Hello. Your web page was hacked.
Support: Really? Why?
Client: I see "LOL" all over the screen.
Support: *calling @Luuklag*
 
ITS LOLCODE YOU BARBARIANS LOLCODE! YOU CULTURE LACKING CRETINS!
 
lolol
lol + lol = lolol
Borked math
lol * lol = lmao
 
12:37 PM
@JourneymanGeek I had to return the one I brought from the office, and now I'm getting one for personal use. But it still hasn't arrived. The order was placed 2 or 3 weeks back already
I guess that's what you get when you want to order 20+ monitors at once.
 
@Luuklag stolen by cats
 
@Luuklag they have a lot of 'old' monitors... just can't get one
so I bought a 17 inch portable one :D
 
Rob
@ShadowWizardIsVaccinatedV3 There are hundreds of APPs:
 
I'm supposed to get this: centralpoint.nl/monitoren/dell/…
but appears they are out of stock till the end of the year
probably because we bought so many
 
12:43 PM
@Rob you change it with a click?
 
and we're short of everythings
(and heh, the 4k upgrade from that's my current "dream monitors" :D )
 
buying 8k monitor
 
@ShadowWizardIsVaccinatedV3 there's pretty much no media for that :D
 
@JourneymanGeek my coleague who designs a lot has a quite recent Imac, those screens are amazing
 
@JourneymanGeek yet
 
12:51 PM
@Luuklag I had an older dell 4k which I loved to bits
it died, and i got a pair of cheaper ones that are merely ok
 
Retina display is what its called, its so bright and vibrant
 
Well, once I save for my place, gotta plan for furniture, and computer stuff counts :D
 
hmm that's weird. Is it just me, or is this monitor on Amazon missing a price?
 
@ShadowWizardIsVaccinatedV3 seems like it? I have to click "See All Buying Options" to see the price tag of $8,861.00
 
@MetaAndrewT. wait whut, why is it 3k more for you?
 
Ah, mine sells from italy, and the price you list ships from germany
@ShadowWizardIsVaccinatedV3 they probably don't ship to israel then
 
for that price difference, maybe fly over and... oh wait... covid...
 
$8,861 for me lol
 
There's only shipment from Germany for us :X
 
And having to click some obscure button to see price is really terrible UX.
Price is the most basic thing, don't hide it.
Amazing how so many people buy in site with awful user experience.
 
12:59 PM
Haha, just emaild our office manager, and she confirmed, she got an email yesterday saying our monitors are delayed till next year
 
tbh, for stuff like this I just order direct from dell
 
@MetaAndrewT. we're price twins! :D
 
Rob
@ShadowWizardIsVaccinatedV3 Those are two different programs, each with dozens of style choices, which paint your image in a few seconds. Here's another program:
 
1:36 PM
@JourneymanGeek where they are also out of stock
But I'll just swing by the office the next time I'm in my car, and grab a screen again
 
2:02 PM
@Rob where you find all those programs? :D
 
Rob
Google Play Store "paint photo", etc.
 
2:17 PM
@ShadowWizardIsVaccinatedV3 remember this?
and
merged, via Google Deep Style site
 
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Q: Azure related questions aren't viewed or answered much on stackoverflow

John DoeIt seems Azure related questions aren't answered or viewed at all when you post a question on stackoverflow. I can't find any better online community where we can get answers related to azure. AWS and GCP questions gets viewed so much and gets answers on stackoverflow.

Second guessing of moderator decisions requested :D
 
2:34 PM
Request denied :P
 
Rob
@ShadowWizardIsVaccinatedV3 U$3750 or €4000 deals.dell.com/de-de/productdetail/ak87 dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-ultrasharp-32-8k-monitor-up3218k/apd/… - you could get a different (lower quality, and larger) monitor for half that much.
 
@SPArcheon ohhh, yep
@Rob I'll pass, waiting for 32k
Two years?
When it will reach 1024K will they change it to 1M?
 
Rob
2:52 PM
@ShadowWizardIsVaccinatedV3 I don't know why they're charging you and @met $8,861.00 and I see prices for half that --- don't know what you plan on watching, upscaling, streaming, video games, Blu Ray ...
 
Rob
3:24 PM
@ShadowWizardIsVaccinatedV3 16K is U$5M, 32K would be 4x+: pro.sony/en_GR/products/led-video-walls/zrd-c12a
 
@Rob different sellers have different prices. I guess not all sellers ship everywhere
 
3:45 PM
@Spevacus gone
@Luuklag gone
@JourneymanGeek gone and gone
@Luuklag gone
@Luuklag gone
@Luuklag gone
@Luuklag gone
and that is all
 
4:18 PM
@Rob Playing FF
@JNat awesome!
hmm is this 8K?
oh only 4k
Still BTR: Better Than Reality.
Can't find 8k screenshots from Final Fantasy. :(
:(
 
Rob
@ShadowWizardIsVaccinatedV3 It's recommend for 720P and only goes up to 4K.
 
4:41 PM
@JNat that wasn't too bad. Thx :)
 
Rob
@ShadowWizardIsVaccinatedV3 Nope, with 16K you can see Lara Croft lifesize:
Distance he gets to women also 1:1 scale.
 
 
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8:07 PM
wow, smokey went quiet
 
@Luuklag there was a bit of mayhem over in Charcoal a couple of hours ago but most of that was quickly flagged
 
Rob
@tripleee 🪄
 
@tripleee wow, just read the starred messages there about the ISP on hosting. What a great customer service, ahem...
 
Blatant transphobia, definitely R/A
 
Yes, most definitely.
I skimmed it first and wanted to get a second opinion. Then read it. Wished I hadn't. Also, likely a secondary account for somebody.
 
@VLAZ exactly this
@VLAZ When any of you drop by, @glo, @tink, @jour please nuke the account, thank you :)
 
@VLAZ known troll do not engage
 
Another one if people want to flag
 
8:41 PM
@Mithical Yeah, no need to. They've also used different symbols no doubt to bypass filters.
 
@Luuklag Got beaten to it
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing werent they just in this room?\
@VLAZ yeah looks like Hebrew
You alter ego @sha?
Is there any way to see who joined a room without posting?
 
I swear I recall that reported user join a few minutes ago, around the time they posted
 
Meh.
Wouldn't waste anymore time on thinking about just another rude user.
There are enough of those on the internet and there'll be a new one soon enough
 
8:55 PM
Depending on if you count "posting selfies + account names in somewhere blatantly not for those", there's already been a new one :P
(link if anyone wants to flag/nuke)
 
See? The world keeps moving!
 
Woohoo xD
how is your new appartment tink?
 
Messy, unfinished and too hot at night
 
You can't open enough windows at night?
 
I have only one, a 'draaikiepraam'. But because I'm on ground level and that window is facing the street, I can't safely just open it all the way because then any weirdo can just climb in.
 
9:02 PM
@Tinkeringbell wow, yeah that sucks. You probably shouldn't open it at all, if you ever seen that trick with a string and the inner tube of a toiletrol or kitchen towel rol.
 
So I've only been using the 'kiepstand', which no, doesn't help. And the heat pump starts heating things every morning at 4am and even though I paid for a clock thermostat with a timer, there isn't a way to set a downtime on the one I have now. And the contractor keeps insisting having a clock thermostat isnt a possibility and I should just take a refund
@Luuklag don't want to know, thanks XD
 
You don't have window screens installed?
 
@Tinkeringbell then don't go googling for that
 
@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog no. And a simple screen isn't safe either, easily slashed with a knife.
I am getting screens, probably this spring. I have to keep out insects XD. But bigger than that is not going to be stopped by a simple screen XD
@Luuklag wasn't planning on doing so ;)
 
@Tinkeringbell I've wired thermostats before and can't tell why that's not possible
A digital thermostat is just a computer with relays
 
9:06 PM
@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog something to do with the heat pump and being energy efficient, having a downtime would mean it would use too much energy in the mornings to heat everything up again...
 
@Tinkeringbell can you program different intervals, or only 1 temp?
 
You could maybe set it to a lower temperature at night, so it doesn't run too hot then
 
@Luuklag just one temp, though I can tell it in some weird way to go hotter/cooler. There's a setting that goes from +5K to -5K with K being some metric, but not Kelvin or Kilo :/
@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog been trying to do this, but even at -5K the apartment is still over 20 degrees in the morning
 
Are you renting, or did you buy it?\
 
The bedroom is only slightly cooler, as that's the place where the window is open. But not much, I've got an alarm clock that shows temperatures and it hasn't gone beneath 18 at any point
@Luuklag bought.
Stupidest decision ever, I'd take one of those horribly insulated social rentals any day now.
 
9:11 PM
Well withhold your final payment till this is fixed
Make sure you get everything in writing
 
Yeah, that's happening, I know what I'm doing ;)
(at least when it comes to not trusting contractors ;) )
 
 
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11:20 PM
@ShadowWizardIsVaccinatedV3 Wow, that brought back memories! I burned so many years in my teens playing FF 1 through 10. I hope maybe I'll be able to re-engage with the franchise again -- maybe after the kids are all grown up and I'm retired.
 

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