Bags are not great for holding screws

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Also you can eat the cookies

@Shog9 If offered as a prize will it be filled with chipmunks?

@Rob depends; how many chipmunks can you eat?

This Law.SE regular would like to point out that you'd be on much sturdier legal ground if you filled it with live bees, which, unlike live chipmunks, can be legally mailed.

@Shog9 oh. That's the one Abby gave me. They're pretty nice.

@Shog9 The recipe calls for 3 so 12-15 should be good. Thanks.

Isn't live bees a meme or something?

Ok. So how do we disguise chipmunks as bees?

Chipmunk pinata, filled with bees.

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@Tinkeringbell Well re-reading it, it doesn't come off very friendly, but that wasn't my intention. It was more like if you feel that its vorderline wethernir not to put out an announcement you beter watch Meta after a few hours after you push the change to build.

Then there would be less of a problem

@Luuklag Still, watching != writing an answer immediately... But that does sounds a tiny bit nicer, yeah.

@Tinkeringbell correct, but leaving a comment that the change was intended and that you are going to write an elaborate answer would ve nice.

@Luuklag voderline wethenir?

Luuklag seems to have a hard time typing today... it's freezing outside so I assume cold fingers :P

@Luuklag I guess its a balance between a few things.

Is it a ...

or something that's actually breaking? I don't think the capitalisation is the 'real' issue for most, its a change in workflow/muscle memory and scripts breaking

For many, it's simply an eye-jarring change to suddenly see a design change from what they've been accustomed to for, in this case, 12 years

which leads to another question that might need to be handled delicately...

Why not changelogs?

@SonictheCuriouserHedgehog moving cheese isn't new in SO/SE, in the past Jeff used to do this often, and annoy many, most extreme change was the envelope that became.... something else. Super useful feature (inbox/notifications) that out of the blue switches position, changed all texts, etc.

I thought it became better over the years, but... it didn't.

@JourneymanGeek needs discipline and time. The first might be do-able, creating time is an issue ...

@rene or baked in as part of the process. And something that saves time

SE still push changes without telling anyone and without caring who is affected.

hence delicately :D

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating eh, I think we ought to give the benefit of the doubt that it was seen as a minor change

I do not think it is not caring. It just not wanting to have an upfront discussion about it.

the ways we use the site is very different from non power users, and SE still has a bit of trouble with tackling meta by the looks of things

I would've treated some 'spelling' changes as minor myself (have done so in the past with e.g. error messages missing a letter...). What I wouldn't have done is have buttons switch positions without some heads-up.

And despite what Catija says, I never ever saw the buttons on more than 1 row on my PC.

"Ugh, this is wierd. I just need to move it to stacks and"

"WHY THE PITCHFORKS? AND TORCHES?"

Usually people do shout while carrying those and you can figure out why :P

@Tinkeringbell it feels like a lot of the anger is over capitalisation

Though... there was this British? bit of reporting about storming the Capitol and they asked one of those 'Muricans what purpose there was to doing so... and the answer was something like 'how should I know'.... sooooooooo

Maybe I'm overestimating the pitchfork people.

that's Capitol :D

@JourneymanGeek if it was only changing the case then sure, minor indeed. But adding a new button, causing the buttons to span more than one line and look totally different.... big UX change, and a bad one, in my opinion.

Capitolism ho!

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating on mobile/smaller screens I guess.

but I don't know how SE tests for these things.

I'm 100% sure UX expert can come with a decent way to make it look good. They simply didn't consult one.

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating The Rollback button apparently isn't new btw ;)

I'm the first to admit my design is horrible, when I'm making changes in sites without design given to me, the result is terrible.

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating they probably have ones on staff

@Tinkeringbell well maybe the envelope will suddenly be back too then, when they find Jeff changes were actually a bug.... :P

@JourneymanGeek no, my screen is big, the width of the whole content area is fixed.

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating I know

I run 4k and space usage is horribad

it does stack well 2 up, no pun intended but I rarely do that

Yeah, if they just make the actual area with question/answer a bit wider and the whitespace on the left and right smaller, there wouldn't have been a need to put these links in multiple rows on big screens...

I don't even have a 'big' screen, just a regular sized one... and there's plenty of whitespace!

@Tinkeringbell same

They can, for example, revamp the whole thing by using icons for the action links, same way they did in the top bar.

This way it will always fit in one line.

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating uh... icons? In this crowd?

won't fly

It works in top bar.

I guess a question that should be asked is "what resolution causes double stacking?"

@JourneymanGeek borderline wether or

1080p oughtn't to and is safe

Yeah I doubt changing to icons would be received better than capitalizing the first letter XD

Fat fingers on mobile xD

1366 wide is the narrowest modern resolution?

@JourneymanGeek it's not just resolution, it's amount of buttons. When it's 6 for example, it will always span few lines.

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating I get a single row no matter what

@JourneymanGeek even here?

Another idea: have a single "Actions" button, that will open a pop up menu with all possible actions.

Having them spread like that is just..... not good.

and its not like there isn't enough space...

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating Ok, 2 rows theere

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating Two clicks are never better than one

@JourneymanGeek which makes it even worse, you don't know how many there will be, and the buttons are in different location for each question.

@SonictheCuriouserHedgehog I think that where possible, things should be as shallow as possible

@SonictheCuriouserHedgehog this will be, for me. By far.

I hate jumping content, and button that appear in different position, is exactly this.

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating I think we can put them by default on 2 lines. And show all buttons in a fixed place

Its not like usercards are ever going to be flat enough that these links are the highest bit of info there

@JNat cross site spammer: stackexchange.com/users/20254655/robert-townsend

lets get a new list started

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating just move the actions down to a full row under the post, in the free space run an ad. Win-win.

@rene Breaks the flow for ad-block users

We don't want that ...

SE is, after all, paid per click for ads, not per view, so they'll actually be saving money by not serving ads to people who don't click on them

In the ad preferences page for 200+ rep users, they explicitly discourage users who won't click on ads from enabling ads just to increase revenue

@Luuklag yes, that will do too.

@rene +1 no ice cream! :D

@JNat cross site spammer: stackexchange.com/users/19946310/johnkammy

@JNat cross site spammer: stackexchange.com/users/20451062/tamara-harding

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating That... seems like it could be a bit annoying. Some of the items there create modals of their own (Share, Mod)... and losing the immediate view of a post that has close votes or an edit suggestion would be detrimental in some cases.

+1 ^ that's how you get user interfaces that are beautiful but are completely horrible to use unless you already know where everything is

@Martin, welcome to the 10K club.

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Before I go to sleep - here's a list of the se cookies and their categories, via the cookie setting page stackoverflow.com/legal/cookie-policy#C0003-list

@Journeyman Nearly 100K! Do you get swag?

@Ollie no swag for MSE rep

(as it's, after all, a meta site.)

@user400654 men or women?

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating yes

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating I've never heard a toilet complain about either...

So... which cookies should I turn on... all except targeting?

Depends on how much you care... I usually just accept all because I like to think I have nothing to hide and don't hang out in any shady internet parts.

I mean, I don't, either but that doesn't mean that I want to have everything I do be visible to people who just want to sell me crap.

Then you care enough to disable targetting ;)

i mean

who cares if they want to sell you crap if you block all the ads

That's generally my attitude too, though there is something to be said for not allowing those types of companies that earn extra money by letting you be targetted to earn that money by turning of targeting cookies.

i'd rather be one more targeted user that advertisers get 0 clicks/real views from

@user400654 Yeah, it's a balance between one or the other earning money off of you :P

@Luuklag Yikes, imagine on a 1280x640; and yet the problem remains unfixed.

@Rob Yeah that's amazing. I think I get the design rationale though. They want some spacing between the title and the row below, with active, view etc.

Good fix would be to set the spacing on the row below, to keep the difference between the title and the row, but not in between the title

Yes, but the spacing to the next line isn't bad, it's the spacing of wraparound text in the same sentence that has escaped their observation.

yeah I know

But if you have only a one line title, and you want some space between that and the next row, you can set line heigth on either of those rows

if you then forget that one of those rows could wrap, your screwed

The fix is to align to top instead of height (need to lookup correct CSS terminology, in the middle of a call ATM) - back in 15.

It's all stackified, so they just have to select a different header for the title there.

... and do more extensive testing before committing to the changes.

@Ollie only one way to find out

@Catija imo yes

gone

My hero.

you need better heroes

Probably.