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Rob
12:13 AM
@ShadowWizardWearingMask TV Tropes: Ceiling Cling.
 
12:39 AM
Is it supposed to be intuitive that the close flag is under "Needs Improvement"?
 
@Alex Several years ago, it used to be called "it doesn't belong here"
 
That's certainly more obvious. But what was wrong with "should be closed"? I feel like there were some announcements about this. Was it considered anti-welcoming?
 
1:08 AM
@Alex worse is the Triage "requires editing" (which means "only needs format, grammar, or spelling fixes that any user can apply") over "unsalvageable" (only the OP can fix as needs <add flag reason here>)
however, I do remember something about that from back when Jay used to write for the blog (like 2012 or 13-ish)
^ yep it was Jay from the first overhaul (or first major one at least)
The Meta discussion is buried somewhere in the trail of posts linked in this question if you really want to dig in <- from back when they actually asked Meta about stuff then did it
 
2:03 AM
That goes back a while. But I remember until pretty recently in the flag choices it said something like "this question should be closed". Now it says that the question needs improvement.
Also, now only two out of the five headings actually answer the question of "What kind of improvement does this question need?" that the flag dialogue asks you.
 
 
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3:27 AM
@Alex yeah, there's a more recent one but my Google-Fu fails me
 
3:46 AM
Ah, hah! It's because they announced the newest changes on SO.Meta instead of Meta.SE
The thinking behind it (or lack thereof but at least philosophy behind it) is given in another post though
> We’d like to reconceive “closed” as “hidden” so that users can improve their question without feeling embarrassed or exposed.
oh, that's also where the first reference (of many) is made to the "Why, for the love of all that's holy, do you tell people to ask a new question instead of editing?" issue
Which to me is the biggest problem with the new close stuff
 
4:49 AM
Ben Popper on August 04, 2020
From the Samy Worm to Wanna Cry, we chat about a decade worth of security snafus.
 
5:14 AM
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A: Cannot move a deleted chat user's messages to trash due to a server 500 error

Brian NickelThis is fixed. The problem was a bad abstraction in the audit log code. The audit logs take an IUser abstraction when recording who was affected by a change; this can be a user, a room, or a message. Users and rooms both have concrete primary non-null Ids. Messages have nullable foreign user I...

A bug fixed... in chat??
 
5:26 AM
It are amazing times ...
33 messages moved to Chimney
 
 
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7:00 AM
@LinkBerest I see asking this yesterday was very productive
I compiled a list of all the stuff I wanted to take a look at that I hadn't seen and I think there's 35 books in it now.
 
Rob
7:23 AM
@Magisch I get it, a Cat-tus.
 
Catcus, but yeah
 
Rob
It's not Boboiboy?
 
No, it's just a cactus cat
This picture was drawn for me specifically :3
 
Rob
K, it's your name / species - so spell it as you wish.
 
 
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9:05 AM
@Rob It's a cake
 
 
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11:17 AM
@Mithical I bet @Brian had some free time and decided to go on a personal bug hunting, without orders from upstairs. ;)
That said, I really wonder if they're obliged to some priority list of the bugs which are in status?
@LinkBerest quick question.... did you read, or heard about, Good Omens?
@M.A.R. not cup
 
Hey everyone ^_^
 
@EleezatheCharacterWizard hi!!! Long time no hey! :D
 
11:33 AM
Yeah, I keep doing that don't I lol
 
@LinkBerest *swears quietly at sheep*
 
@ShadowWizardWearingMask pre-ordered that when I saw the authors :). Loved the book
Show was good too (not as good though loved the scenes were David Tennant and the angel)
@Mithical sleeps by counting electric sheep
 
So uh...how's everyone been?
 
@Magisch A full library is never a thing - there's always room for more books
 
11:50 AM
@EleezatheCharacterWizard locked-down I would say ;|
 
Ah yes...
Lockdown
At least it's given me more time to draw
(she says, nervously staring at the pile of school-books in the corner)
 
12:12 PM
@LinkBerest yes but I have finite € to spend
 
12:24 PM
@EleezatheCharacterWizard Draw in the school books? :P
 
Good tip!
 
today is still Tuesday..?
 
@MetaAndrewT. Sadly, yes.
 
why I'm thinking it's already Thursday :(
 
Because time only flies when you're having fun
 
12:37 PM
@Tinkeringbell haha well, I wouldn't want to make a mess in my school books so I just have my sketchbook
 
12:47 PM
@LinkBerest pre-ordered that back in 1990?? Wow :D
@EleezatheCharacterWizard 2 weeks quarantine for me, ended just yesterday. ;)
(Only my family, not whole country - son was exposed to a kid with Corona.)
In theory, only the son should have been in quarantine but it's not really practical to quarantine a 7 y/o kid, so we were all together in this.
@Magisch so, one at a time... :)
 
@Tinkeringbell Rather old-fashioned but still as good
 
@ShadowWizardWearingMask Ah, yeah, I remember when my younger brother had a cough so we had to go into a 2 week quarantine as well...I missed the chance to go into school for the last day :,)
 
I drew mustaches for Martin Hall, Sorensen, Seaborg, some random generic drawings of boys and men, Che Guevara
Faraday, the younger pictures of Bohr
For some reason I can't remember the biology ones
 
@EleezatheCharacterWizard oh wow, just due to a cough?? That's crazy... here quarantine is only if getting positive result for Corona, or being nearby one with positive result for more than 15 minutes.
 
I did give a kidney a mustache and a face
Honestly, last day of school, I had this vague feeling of yearning yet we mostly just awkwardly talked about and pretended we didn't care
 
12:56 PM
I drew soldiers and guns as a kid...
@M.A.R. your third kidney?
 
I drew cars. My brother drew cars and robots and Ben 10 new alien concepts
Those were good.
 
@ShadowWizardWearingMask If I ever get a movie, it'd be a nice foreshadowing
 
this is my first chat message
lol
Anyone here?
 
no
 
1:01 PM
nothing here but us shubbery.
 
bruh
should we be sad
?
 
@JourneymanGeek chilling like plants
@Shubh-Khandelwal yes, we should be sad about @JourneymanGeek's commas
 
a shrubbery you say
I photosynthesize!
 
@Shubh-Khandelwal hello!
Do you watch Shark Tank?
Also, tea or coffee? @Shu
 
I watched Baby Shark though
 
1:04 PM
woo hoo! Someone to complete me... now we have @Sha @Shu
@Sho isn't around though.
 
too shy
 
@Sho is not shy
He's g
And... we scared the new person away. :D
 
@ShadowWizardWearingMask hey
 
@ShadowWizardWearingMask lol I'm a coder what do you think? :)
 
1:07 PM
!!/coffee Shu
 
@ShadowWizardWearingMask brews a cup of Affogato for @Shu
 
!!/tea @Shu
 
coffee
lol
 
@Shubh-Khandelwal of course
 
Smokey, are you ignoring me
!!/tea
 
1:07 PM
@Mithical brews a cup of mint tea for @Mithical
 
!!/tea Shu
 
@Mithical brews a cup of mint tea for @Shu
 
@ShadowWizardWearingMask I saw only one episode yesterday. I mean that was my first one
 
@Shubh-Khandelwal congrats!
 
didn't like it that much tho
@Sha
omg ur rep is soo high
 
1:09 PM
@Shubh-Khandelwal meh, don't really deserve most of it. ;)
Next trivia question: Do you like the Beatles? @Shu
 
bruh, I have heard the name so many times, but never once listened to their songs
 
@Shubh-Khandelwal lol
 
(same)
 
I have a billion dollar idea lol
I'm working on it rn
haha
 
And the question I should have asked first.... do you wear a mask when outside or with other people? @Shu :D
(must be loyal to my name..... ;))
 
1:11 PM
no I like corona uwu
 
*eyes kick button*
 
Kick isn't a button
It's just a boring link
Wait, I think? Let me see....
 
but seriously tho, I have an idea, and I've also made my app, but since its python and I'm no expert in gui, I can only run it through terminal rn
 
1:14 PM
Yup, just a link. No button. :D
 
meh, links all in a row like that that do things are buttons to me
 
@Shubh-Khandelwal millions of people have awesome ideas.... only few make millions out of those ideas. ;)
 
Hello.
 
all hail @oll
:P
 
@ShadowWizardWearingMask I may have exaggerated a bit when I said billion, but I'm certain that people will use it (a lot)
 
1:16 PM
sdc tea ShadowWizardWearingMask
 
@Ollie brews a cup of passionfruit tea for @ShadowWizardWearingMask
 
@SmokeDetector passionfruit?
 
Thanks!
@Ollie yummy
 
@ShadowWizardWearingMask you're welcome :)
 
And passionate.
 
1:17 PM
Do you guys work or study or none lol?
 
How was your weekend, y'all?
 
29 mins ago, by Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask
@EleezatheCharacterWizard 2 weeks quarantine for me, ended just yesterday. ;)
Yours?
 
@Shubh-Khandelwal I do study a lot.
 
@Shubh-Khandelwal work
 
Good, thanks.
Fixing lawn tractor with pieces of broken chain :)
@Shubh-Khandelwal mostly cybersecurity.
!!/coffee
 
1:19 PM
@Ollie brews a cup of Americano for @Ollie
 
Ahhh.
 
@Ollie so, configuring firewalls all day long?
@Ollie good or bad?
 
@ShadowWizardWearingMask not quite :)
@ShadowWizardWearingMask good.
 
@ShadowWizardWearingMask where do you work?
 
Can't tell, "Ahhh" can also have bad meaning.
 
1:20 PM
@ShadowWizardWearingMask it's the coffee.
 
@Shubh-Khandelwal small company in Israel
 
Incorrect rep counter again, I've got 1177.
 
@Ollie there can be bad coffee as well....
@Shubh-Khandelwal programmer
 
@ShadowWizardWearingMask like the time I accidentally brewed half a pot with oat milk in it :)
 
1:21 PM
youtube algorithm sucks
 
@Ollie wrong where? I see 1.2k which is correct
Hover to see the full 1177
 
why are there so less people here?
 
@Shubh-Khandelwal less than where?
 
@ShadowWizardWearingMask thanks.
 
I meant 'few'
I expected more people here
 
1:23 PM
@Shubh-Khandelwal there are many people here, if you mean compared to SO chats, it's because MSE itself has less users.
 
@Shubh-Khandelwal this looks about normal to me.
 
When there is drama there can be even 10-20 people chatting in the same time.
So this room being quiet is a good sign, usually. ;)
What you do, @Shu?
@Shubh-Khandelwal which algorithm?
@Ollie oat instead of cow milk?
Still better than adding salt instead of sugar..... :D
 
@ShadowWizardWearingMask that was an accident :)
It pretty much ruined my morning :)
 
@ShadowWizardWearingMask I've done salt in my tea before :P
 
1:26 PM
@Ollie hehe.... and?
 
@Shadow it was like eating wet baking soda.
 
ohhh, I thought this was the stack overflow chat , sorry I'm new to this whole system
 
@ShadowWizardWearingMask aw, you make me feel young (or old, never sure which)
 
@Shubh-Khandelwal all good! This is Meta Stack Exchange. On SO you still don't have enough rep to chat. You need 1 more.
 
Rep, rep, rep.
 
1:27 PM
so there's a different profile for each site, that is awfully confusing
 
You can just join one more site, @Shu and you'll get it. Oh, not on SO though, just SE.
 
@ShadowWizardWearingMask the level of cybersecurity I'm at right now also means fiddling about with Metasploitable.
 
i joined math stackexchange
rep is still 19
 
@Shubh-Khandelwal yeah, sorry, SO won't be affected.
 
1:29 PM
But you can chat on any SE chat except Stack Overflow.
 
anyway, i'm enjoying here
2
 
@Shubh-Khandelwal I surely hope so..... ;)
 
@Shubh-Khandelwal so am I :D
 
Just beware the monkeys.
 
where you from Ollie
 
1:30 PM
@ShadowWizardWearingMask please not the monkeys.
 
@Shubh-Khandelwal I'm British
Moved to Vermont.
 
@Ollie sounds lovely. :D
 
for studies/
?
 
@ShadowWizardWearingMask it is right now.
Lots of places to break expensive machines. Like a lawn tractor.
No place for monkeys.
 
1:33 PM
@Ollie tractor you mean the one you ride on, not just pulling by hand? Yeah, it costs a fortune. :/
 
@ShadowWizardWearingMask I used to have one like that. It cut like the blade was turning through cold molasses.
@ShadowWizardWearingMask although it could be because I removed the governor spring.
Enabling more power.
 
@Ollie probably
 
@Ollie is your real name ollie?
 
@Shubh-Khandelwal no.
Not my first name anyway.
 
Easy enough to find my real name, at least first name. :P
 
1:37 PM
sometimes, i hate myself :(
 
@Shubh-Khandelwal we all do
So, you have Twitter? @Shu
 
Speaking of hiking
 
Good, so feel free to follow me, link in my profile. ;) @Shu
 
How high have you ever hiked?
 
1:39 PM
@Ollie 1 meter, my bed.
:P
 
@ShadowWizardWearingMask boooo :D
 
hiking in the alps is nice
but also makes you acutely aware how out of shape you are
 
you do that in the summer
 
1:40 PM
@ShadowWizardWearingMask put some clothes on :)
 
@Magisch still colder than I can take
 
Hello @Rob, monkey :)
 
See? You bring the monkeys now, @Oll ;)
 
The first 3-4 days of a 2 week holiday in the alps are always spent being out of breath and acclimatizing / getting in a bit of shape
 
@ShadowWizardWearingMask I can't help it:P
 
1:41 PM
@Ollie you tell me?! I know! :D
 
lol I have 0 followers on twitter
 
@ShadowWizardWearingMask The last time I went there we literally had 28°C at 2200m height
 
@Shubh-Khandelwal Follow me and you'll have 1 more ;)
 
@ShadowWizardWearingMask we're not all monkeys.
 
its @GIndian1012
 
1:41 PM
@Ollie define "hike". I've walked at >4k meters, but I got there in a car ;) I've walked from ~1500m across several kilometers to climb a peak that was at the horizon and reached 2509 meters. That's the only one I count as having hiked though. Driving up to the mountain and then walking around is cheating!
 
@Magisch oh. What? Lol, didn't know. Thought it's just always below zero there.
 
You can go hiking in the popular skiing destinations in the summer
 
@terdon about same for me. :)
 
Rob
@Ollie Hey, revolving door Ollie. o//
 
@terdon oh no. Walking alllll the way.
 
1:42 PM
it will be empty, the lodging will be comparably super cheap, and it's an amazing view and many nice trails
the only thing is you need a hat and the best sunblocker you can get
 
@Ollie but we partially are.... :P
 
@Rob eyeroll.
 
thought sunburn at sealevel is bad try at 2000m above
 
follow me, i can't find your @
Shadow
 
Arrggh.
 
1:43 PM
@Shu check Twitter now
 
I'm trying to run two virtual machines on my computer at once.
 
Rob
🌯
 
It doesn't like it :)
 
@Ollie from where? Sea level?
 
1:44 PM
@terdon not quite... I'm thinking maybe a few hundred meters above?
 
@Ollie It is weak. And its children are weak. And when the long winter comes, ... they will be consumed whole with sauce.
also depends on the VMs and the computers :D
 
@Shubh-Khandelwal there's direct link in my SE profiles, to the right. Anyway, not needed now, I guess. ;)
 
Rob
 
I've stood at 2509 meters, looking out across the view and seeing the mountain I started from on the far horizon, knowing I have walked every meter between there and here. I had driven up to the first mountain, but started walking from there across the intervening distance to this other mountain and then hiked up it. That has to count!
 
@JourneymanGeek my computer is old. And it's only got two cores.
 
1:45 PM
@Ollie and ram might be a concern too
 
@JourneymanGeek got 8GB of that.
Should be enough.
 
and heh
my old machine has 4 cores and has 32...
I need to set it up though :D
 
@JourneymanGeek are you using a laptop or tower?
 
My first PC had.... 128k, I think
 
@Ollie desktop, of course
 
1:46 PM
@JourneymanGeek I'm not surprised, then.
 
im a noob at hardware ; pro at software
 
@ShadowWizardWearingMask yeah
@ShadowWizardWearingMask I still really like laptops.
 
@Shubh-Khandelwal I can operate the hardware, but yeah prefer the software.
 
Like the thousand-dollar, Intel i7, 2TB memory ones :)
 
1:48 PM
@ShadowWizardWearingMask Non Usable Computers? ;)
 
@Ollie that would be more than a thousand ;)
 
(they're actually great little machines!)
 
@Ollie those are beasts
 
2tb memory is server level madness
 
you can get free vms with unlimited configurations on GCP. Google gives $300 for 12 months. @Ollie
 
1:49 PM
@terdon lol! Maybe, never tried one. :P
 
@JourneymanGeek @ShadowWizardWearingMask, oh yes.
 
though I do have a 128gb build on my wishlist
 
I used to have one at work for a while. I was very impressed.
 
Did that notify you both?
@Shubh-Khandelwal I don't really want to pay for it :)
 
1:49 PM
@JourneymanGeek Wait, what? 2TB RAM for 1000$? That's ridiculously cheap!
 
@Ollie Sure, you can ping up to 10 people in a single message.
 
@Ollie You don't have to. Google gives you $300
 
@terdon to be exact, 1140.
 
@terdon that's implausible :D
 
I made a new acc today
 
1:50 PM
@Shubh-Khandelwal whoops. Misunderstood, sorry.
 
@JourneymanGeek Yes. But that's what @Ollie is claiming
2 mins ago, by Ollie
Like the thousand-dollar, Intel i7, 2TB memory ones :)
 
@Ollie is your major computer science?
 
@terdon but it's not very tough. Slim as a wafer, fast as the high-speed internet I don't have :)
 
@Ollie link? Because that's dirt cheap for a machine with that much ram. Even if it's a single core crappy one.
 
@terdon not ram. It's got 32GB of Ram, 2TB of SSD.
I think.
Or was it HDD...
 
1:52 PM
OOoooh! That's completely different.
 
@terdon yeah. For a machine with that much ram, I'd expect to pay at least $5000 :)
 
That isn't "memory".
 
and both are plausible, though thousand dollars still feels cheap for that
 
@terdon what OS do you use?
 
Linux
 
1:53 PM
@Ollie there are also computers with 2TB RAM for sale, it cost bit more. ebay.com/itm/…
 
why would you need that much ram tho?
 
@Shubh-Khandelwal cause you can?
 
@Shubh-Khandelwal you don't need that much ram, you want that much ram.
@JourneymanGeek Duh.
 
@Shubh-Khandelwal Depends on what you're doing. I work in genomics, for example, and I can use as much RAM as you can give me.
 
1:54 PM
This is one of our servers, for example:
 $ free -h
              total        used        free      shared  buff/cache   available
Mem:           221G        596M         65G        5.9G        154G        211G
Swap:           31G        199M         31G
And I really wish we could get more RAM for it :(
 
@terdon wow.
 
@terdon sadly I am convinced my home PC has more ram than some of my work servers :D
 
@Shubh-Khandelwal same as asking "Why you need a car that cost $100000?" ;)
 
@Shubh-Khandelwal The SO database server has 1.5TB of RAM, and it probably needs that much
 
@JourneymanGeek Knowing you, I wouldn't be surprised!
 
1:55 PM
@ShadowWizardWearingMask the lure of horsepower :D
 
@MadScientist SO's stuff is tuned
@terdon oh, we also run itanium servers
 
@Ollie and Need for Speed ;)
 
@terdon only 32. I THINK this will go to 64
 
🐏
 
I'm not made of money :D
 
1:56 PM
@ShadowWizardWearingMask 202MPH do you? :D
 
yeah but it doesnt make sense for personal use
 
@JourneymanGeek I bet you have a whole setup with an external array of RAM chips that Ash can wear in a little vest and you then hook up to your machine.
 
@Shadow or 304.773 :D
 
@terdon naw... he's a ... laptop
:D
 
1:56 PM
@Shubh-Khandelwal can use to show off
 
@JourneymanGeek Literally!
 
@Shubh-Khandelwal Give Chrome and Firefox a few more years, and we'll need that much RAM on our desktops
 
@Ollie world record?
 
Liquid cooled, too!
 
@ShadowWizardWearingMask google.com/…
 
1:57 PM
@Shu see what you did? Room is bustling with people now. :D
 
@MadScientist lol haha
 
@terdon oh, I got liquid cooling on my PC this round
and the best mainstream chip I could get at the time (and its only a generation old)
trying to justify a better graphics card :D
 
@ShadowWizardWearingMask the more the merrier :D
 
@Shubh-Khandelwal Not really a joke, actually. I mean, I have 32G of RAM on my ~3-4 year old laptop already. That's not sooo far away from having a few hundred gigs.
@JourneymanGeek I will probably do that next PC I build too. I want to finally get me a proper silent one.
 
@terdon there's some new motherboards for old xeon processors from china that will take 128gb
 
1:59 PM
lol I am running two FHD displays(one of my laptop and other a monitor) and chrome (with like 20 tabs), PyCharm and spotify on just 4 gigs of ram and i5
 
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