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6:46 AM

@Spevacus where?

@JohnDvorak moderated the mod

Rob

6:57 AM

Specious

Q: Please don't write answers in comments

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t-mart

12:24 PM

I see a lot of comments on questions that provide answers (usually in a low-effort way). This feels bad. Is this bad? Should these be flagged, etc?

M.A.R.

@t-mart It's one of the heavily discussed issues, with some controversy too. You can look up "comment answers" or the hyphenated version

To answer your questions, it's heavily dependent on which site you're talking about

t-mart

Thanks. I didn't think I was the first to have this thought.

M.A.R.

Sites have a lax or strict take on moderation, and some sites suffer from this more than others, which makes them prone to making clear rules against it

A comment answer is more likely to be deleted on IPS than Math

t-mart

What's IPS @M.A.R.?

M.A.R.

Interpersonal Skills

Mithical

12:41 PM

I've been noticing a trend lately of people writing answers in the comment section. What does this mean? When you write an attempt to solve the OPs question - whether it's a fully fleshed out idea or not - and dump it in the comment box. This is not good. Answers in comments are detrimental to ...

djsmiley2kStaysInside

Maybe if people weren't so quick to downvote an answer b ecause they didn't like it. lol. i'm crazy I know.

Mithical

I mean... that's kinda how downvotes are supposed to work.

@djsmiley2kStaysInside and its easier to post throwaway things in comments, especially when you know its controversial

and that's a pain with meta drama :D

Mithical

If an answer isn't good, it should be downvoted. Comments shouldn't be a way to post a low-quality or low-effort answer and avoid the downvote penalty.

djsmiley2kStaysInside

shouldn't be

but a answer can be correct, and still deemed bad

becauise people are haters.

12:43 PM

simple solution

nuke all the comments :D

Tinkeringbell

@Mithical Except that on MSE, people e.g. hate it if you tell them not to post entire posts as screenshots just when asking why it was e.g. deleted. So yeah, comments need a downvote button or be nuked, or people need to grow up and be less dramatic ;)

@djsmiley2kStaysInside or because they care about quality >:(

Tinkeringbell

There's... too many possible reasons people may/may not downvote. That's the problem!

@Tinkeringbell 99% related to keys...

@t-mart short version: you can flag, but the flags might be declined.

Tinkeringbell

Downvotes are stupid :P If I downvote, I tell myself I have a good reason to do so: The post isn't useful, it's low quality, rude, wrong, off-topic, doesn't show any research effort...

If I get downvoted, I keep thinking the person that did that must've had entirely different reasons for doing so, like being fond of drama or having a personal gripe with me.

12:51 PM

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@Journeyman in case you missed it ^

(edit summary by Mr. Peter)

1:13 PM

Someone will fix it :D

the voting spread on that post is ... interesting

Before I start drama, what are people's opinions about asking about DMCA takedowns as question. As someone has done a DMCA takedown for some code they wrote on an answer: github.com/github/dmca/commit/…

djsmiley2kStaysInside

1:28 PM

@Danack doesn't posting it licence it for use?

yeah......

the takedown notice contains a lie.

that it isn't licensed for use.

Quick batman, to the dramamobile!

for the record, the github dmca takedown repo appears to be an useful source of renewable drama:

> The Github user GPC-debug (github.com/GPC-debug) fork my public repo(github.com/hon-key/…) which now is a private repo and will be remove soon. Since The repo contains the company's important source code, algorithm and system configuration infomation belonging to the companys internal data asset, we hope this fork can be remove from Github.

Can anyone file a DMCA takedown notice to DMCA itself? It just cause headaches. ;)

(and a very useful tool for trolls to harm sites.)

Yo dawg

I heard you like legal filings....

1:45 PM

@Danack yeah, they're really tasty

Can someone enlighten me and translate that DMCA acronym into readable words for me please?

It's a way for anyone to cause any page on the internet to go BOOM.

Digital Millennium Copyright Act

The Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) is a 1998 United States copyright law that implements two 1996 treaties of the World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO). It criminalizes production and dissemination of technology, devices, or services intended to circumvent measures that control access to copyrighted works (commonly known as digital rights management or DRM). It also criminalizes the act of circumventing an access control, whether or not there is actual infringement of copyright itself. In addition, the DMCA heightens the penalties for copyright infringement on the Internet. Passed...

it is kind of appropriate for some forms of media e.g. music and video. But the implementation on every platform is a shitshow.

1:47 PM

Yeah it's like giving gun to kids.

If you're a large company, you can issue takedown notices and remove people's content, until they file a counter claim. That is used to hurt youtube channels, who have their content removed or demonetised.

If you're not a large company, people can ignore your takedown notice, and you have to go and sue them in the country they are in.

I had someone copy one of my videos on youtube, and to get it taken down, I would have to go to Ukraine and find a lawyer....

We have something similar in european laws as well :-(

In Germany it's called Urheberrechtsschutz Gesetz

And implementation at any digital platforms is really shitty indeed

sounds painful.

In theory it's not bad for artists, musiciancs, book authors etc.

in practice, it's useless

1:53 PM

^exactly that

There also was a big discussion regarding the so called upload filters implementation for platforms.

Machine controlled censorship more or less :-(

@πάνταῥεῖ I actually would like that. I sometimes upload video I have taken from my camera to youtube. I would LOVE to have youtube recognise that the video I have uploaded is the original content source, and for me to be able to flag that any duplication of my video is unauthorised.

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Jenayah

9:01 PM

hey @FranckDernoncourt

WRT the Steve Jobs quote - I'd argue that booting a device is something you do quite often to begin with, and the "you've saved a dozen lives" argument, while a catchy marketing stat, is just that... You haven't actually "saved" a life. You've probably improved UX, but to congratlate yourself on the "time" you've saved is not really accurate

Franck Dernoncourt

9:24 PM

@Jenayah I disagree. From the society's point of view, on a collective level, it did save a human life. Because the "saved" human life can be used on something else than idly waiting for something. I'm far from a Steve Jobs fan but on that one I agree with his argument, which probably had made been many times in the past already.

Jenayah

Damn, I always forget that this room has a fancy ping sound. Between the fireworks outside, the fridge's compressor working up, and all the other noises, I was like "WTF was that? It's not the mail, it's not Discord, it's not TREU, wtf?"