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Rob
12:06 AM
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2:13 AM
@NobodyNada Why so hostile to fishing attempts? Is it mating season?
@HovercraftFullOfEels Partly. But there is other things that may be harder to understand. Much psychology, actually. That so many people get upset is a count on this, I guess. — Leo Dec 1 at 2:08
For the nth time, why do people think implying that there's something 'wrong' with someone's psychology if they get downvoted will win people over?
 
yeah, if you Google key phrases it's all over the 'net going back to at least June
 
It's a step up from a millionaire Nigerian prince, you have to admit
> I'm new to c++ and I didn't found anything on this.
TIL only founders can C++
I was always in the presence of greatness and didn't know it
Andrew your small avatar mask looks like something from Mad Max.
RIP Immortan Joe
On another note, people are still being pissed off when shown a ready-made answer.
 
3:21 AM
@M.A.R. And he will go to valhalla all SHINY AND CHROME
 
 
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5:37 AM
Okay, here's a meta meta question. Once upon a time I read a wonderful explanation of why people ask a question on SE instead of searching themselves. I'm a little hazy about the exact particulars of an answer, but basically it explained that it's because searching gives a wall of answers which require domain specific knowledge to wade through, when the questioner was just trying to get over a hump so as to focus on the problem at hand. Like trying to revert an accidental git disaster, or get a compiler to do its thing.
 
 
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6:53 AM
@KennSebesta Have you tried MSO as well? Sounds like something that might actually be on MSO...
 
7:27 AM
@KennSebesta this one?
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A: Why do people post questions that they could Google in 5 seconds?

Nicol BolasBecause they genuinely cannot "google that in 5 seconds". Allow me to explain. When people are searching for a solution to a problem, they sometimes enter a kind of "search mode". They read everything with a filter over their eyes. That filter is designed to search for solutions to the problem t...

Ironically, first result on Google:
:-D
 
7:49 AM
That's weird, someone using Smokey marked this as not spam???
It's 10000% spam, pure and raw.
 
@Shadow10YearsWizard I think I'm with tripleee here; it's responding to comments on this post. If that one wasn't spam, I'm not sure this one is either.
I assume they've lost the credentials to their original account.
 
Rob
8:18 AM
Caution: Irony Loop
 
 
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@RyanM didn't see any such comment or post by user with that name. It is answer promoting a site with the same name as the user display name, without attribution. In my dictionary, it's pure spam. Spammer might have also copied something from existing post, it's not rare.
I don't mind being in the minority group, I flagged and can't do much further anyway.
 
@SonictheK-DayHedgehog yeah. I didn't feel spending much time on it.
 
10:26 AM
@Luuklag k
 
Thx for the confirmation @Shadow10YearsWizard
 
@Luuklag tp
!!/coffee and tea for Luuk
 
@Shadow10YearsWizard brews a cup of Americano for @and
 
@Shadow10YearsWizard No such command 'o-o'.
 
10:32 AM
Huh? "_" turns to "-"? Why? lol
sdc tea Spe
 
@Shadow10YearsWizard brews a cup of passionfruit tea for @Spe
 
taking passion of the fruit and throwing on @M.A.R. and @Ollie
 
@Tinkeringbell so, just wondering... based on the Bash preview.... Will you start posting random pictures of maps, references to Konami code and ninja turtles in about 10 days from now? :P
 
I'm not allowed to tell :P
 
@Tinkeringbell Are we allowed to organize a mass comment bomb just for you in case there is a new "Hairboat" style hat?
 
I'm not allowed to tell :P
 
I mean, would be only logical to assume that there will be an hat for sending the parrot at least 10 comment a day for 10 days :P
 
11:05 AM
It would also only be logical to be suspended for excessive discussion in comments if you did so :P
 
11:31 AM
@Tinkeringbell but but but Bash! Didn't the even exist just so that we can do all the bad stuff at once in that few days and then be nice the rest of the year? Furthermore, who said they wouldn't be relevant. They could all be seasonal wishes and greeting postcard - what could be more relevant than that....
I could even make all the comments about crocheting
.....
Jokes aside, wonder if the hats will be new
and to be fair, I wonder if animuson got his old idea implemented.
The gatcha thing.
Also, will the knitting be back? If they do, I think at least they would have to change something in the color background, don't know if it would fit the current site palette
 
12:11 PM
 
12:21 PM
Very productive one this one
 
12:32 PM
@Luuklag What's that thing they usually say about job-hunting? It's the amount of applications you send, not the quality of them? :P
 
 
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1:55 PM
@Tinkeringbell I doubt he'll get any with this quality. And yeah esoecially for junior poaitions that could be true. But if I would apply for 3 positions today chances are I get offered a job by atleast 2, if not all 3.
 
2:26 PM
@Luuklag Are there that little < whatever you do's > ?
That's kinda nice to know though.
 
2:52 PM
Ryan Donovan on December 04, 2020
Welcome to ISSUE #50 of the Overflow! This newsletter is by developers, for developers, written and curated by the Stack Overflow team and Cassidy Williams at Netlify. We lined up a whole bunch of goodies for our big five-oh: how to write a great resume from a hiring manager who reads hundreds each year, the etiquette of pull…
 
@Tinkeringbell when we have a vacancy its really hard to find someone. So I guess so...
 
@Luuklag Well, it's kinda bad they can't easily find replacements or fill vacancies, but it would be reassuring to know that you won't be let go soon or can easily find another employer :)
 
@Shadow10YearsWizard Yes, that's exactly it! Thanks.
@Shadow10YearsWizard Because of course it was. I had tried with several search patterns, such as the natural language question, "why do people ask questions on stackexchange instead of searching" and got a lot of SE results... but none which were this. Mea culpa and thanks again!
 
Rob
3:24 PM
@Shadow10YearsWizard Look what you did 💥🔨
 
3:47 PM
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3:57 PM
@KennSebesta cheers! :)
@KennSebesta well @Tink gave the hint of MSO, so credits go to her as well. ;)
@Rob tried to close it as duplicate of the one in China, hammer hit too hard. Oops.
@user400654 that's a duplicate.
 
4:18 PM
@Νеvеrꭑoꭇе yes, think Yaakov hinted there will be some new hats.
 
5:02 PM
So... I couldn't resist... playing for 7 years in a free-to-play game which of course let the players pay to buy the good stuff. I didn't want to spend money on it, but ended up just buying two existing accounts, $200 each. Taking comfort knowing those who sold them spent way more than x10 though, it's crazy.
At first I was amazed it's legit to have "sock accounts" and interact with each other, but it's very common in that game. Guess when money is involved, the company simply doesn't care.
 
@Shadow10YearsWizard nooooo . . . cyanide
 
5:38 PM
@Shadow10YearsWizard "some" new hats.... Not criticizing anyone, but I still think that if they did a "contest" every year in November "design an hat and see it used during the Bash" they would save themselves money and work...
 
@M.A.R. sure! :P
@Νеvеrꭑoꭇе well but will they pay those who give the hats being used? If not, will they be able to sue SE for using something they did? It can get complicated, so I understand SE point of view, in that case.
The design team isn't the problem, I think, the bottleneck is the development time that is given to the developer(s).
 
@Shadow10YearsWizard .... you mean the ones posting content on SE, with TOS explicitly granting SE rights to reuse that content under the license they list in said TOS?
 
@Νеvеrꭑoꭇе that's different
 
@Shadow10YearsWizard Free credits, yay. That should buy me another dinner :P
 
I don't think that an user claims that they weren't payed would stand much scrutiny after they posted on their free will a picture on a post that claimed "your picture could be used in next Winter Bash"
 
5:45 PM
When the company running the site do commercial use of the content posted on the site, it won't be received well by some.
 
!!/tea Sha
 
@Spevacus brews a cup of darjeeling tea for @Sha
 
@Tinkeringbell only two Shadow Coins. Enough for, umm.... gummy bear!
 
steals the darjeel so it's just ing tea
 
@Shadow10YearsWizard And they "signed" their being nice with it the second they posted the picture on a question that clearly stated what would happen if they won.
 
5:46 PM
@Shadow10YearsWizard gummy bears are nice :D I have some wodka to make them even better ;)
 
@Tink ^
Red, as you like.
 
Nice :D
 
@Tinkeringbell wodka? You mean vodka? ;)
 
@Shadow10YearsWizard Ah, yes.
Different language :P
 
@Νеvеrꭑoꭇе sounded like you meant the users will post/send the full SVG code for the hat, i.e. full design project, not just mockup. If that's what you meant then you can ignore my previous replies. :)
 
5:48 PM
@Shadow10YearsWizard If Nintendo is able to tell players in Animal Crossing Pocket Camp to post pictures of their camps and have the best ones published on the PAID FOR MEMBER ONLY montly game "electronic fanzine", I guess that SE can use hats made by users that expressed their consents to have them used in the first place by taking part in the context.
 
@Tinkeringbell still similar enough! I got drunk one time in my life, and it was from Vodka shots. :D
(think Grey Goose)
 
@Νеvеrꭑoꭇе They could... but it would disgruntle some people that they even dare ask ;)
@Shadow10YearsWizard Not the worst choice, I guess :P
 
@Νеvеrꭑoꭇе if only ideas/mockup then sure.
@Tinkeringbell wasn't my choice, it was during my bachelor party, friends did it. :D
 
Sounds familiar. The one time I was really drunk... it was a 'friend' that did it.
That's sad.
 
@Tinkeringbell well, those would probably be disgruntled even if SE added an option to cash out rep to real $$ because "the exchange rates are too low! I didn't work for so little money!!"
 
5:52 PM
@Tinkeringbell yeah, remember you told something about it. :/
 
@Shadow10YearsWizard to be fair I meant the final svg file, not just the idea. That was already done.
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A: What are the fantasy secret hats you'd wish to get?

BlueSoulSomebody HAD to do this. IT'S OVER NINE THOUSANDDDDD! (Vegeta hairs + Scouter Hat) View the profile page of at least 10 different users whose reputation exceed 9k points. and also: Super Sayajin You are Jon Skeet NOTE: The "scouter hat" idea (minus the Vegeta's hairs) was used in th...

and yep, I proposed the scouter hat in 2013, was used in 2015, two years later
Probably without even realizing I suggested it two years earlier.
The Twilight Sparkle hat instead... that proposal they still ignore as now....
 
6:42 PM
TIL - questions on Meta.SE receive their first answer (modal value) three minutes after posting:
 
Rob
@Shadow10YearsWizard We'll see, in 6-8 days.
 
@Glorfindel And about half of those are yours? ;)
 
Rob
Their first answer is: "This question does not appear to be about the software that powers the Stack Exchange network, within the scope defined in the help center.".
 
@Tinkeringbell creates vanity query
Well, only 2%
 
Not much vanity then :(
You do write fast answers though :)
Mine's rather all over the place, but I don't have that many answers either...
 
Rob
@Glorfindel Execution times out, or causes serious error when tried on Stack Overflow: "A severe error occurred on the current command. The results, if any, should be discarded. Operation cancelled by user.".
 
@Tinkeringbell yeah, the graph looks much better the more answer you have. On Math.SE, it's completely smooth.
 
@Rob yeah, I noticed. SO is simply too big for those kind of queries.
Feel free to fork it to include just the questions from 2020. I guess that should work.
 
Well I have more answers on IPS, but that didn't improve the graph XD
 
Rob
7:00 PM
I was hoping you had the magic to retable (?) and work on a smaller set.
 
Oh huh... If I click on IPS when choosing a site I end up on meta, and if I click on IPS meta I end up with main... just a sec :P
 
@Tinkeringbell at least you take the time to write decent answers. I usually just dump whatever knowledge I have, and then refactor it into something worth reading ...
 
Yeah, I prefer writing the entire novel at once... It doesn't happen often that I edit it afterwards to add more.
 
Rob
7:13 PM
@Glorfindel RPG and Travel (which have significant % answered and # of questions) have a similar shaped graph; which differs markedly from MSE:
Somehow MSE got quite a few answered in less than one minute, but not so with RPG or Travel (was investigating if it was an artifact of the graphing).
 
Rob
😀
 
I did mention it here, which is where the inspiration for the query came from.
 
Rob
😯 I thought you meant that I had answered my own question, here. Not someone else posted their own answer.
So I guess self-answers a few minutes later, which isn't uncommon, simply get added to the other people's answers - our expectation (?) being that the graph showed the helpfulness, not rubber duck moments.
Thanks for writing the query, and sharing it with us.
 
7:29 PM
@Rob you're welcome. I don't think we can do a lot with this information, but it's remarkable nonetheless. I haven't found a 'faster' site in the network yet.
 
;) Next time someone complains about FGITW... Meta is worse and no one is complaining there! :P
 
certainly
 
Rob
@Glorfindel There's an idea for a modification, who is FGITW for the past year; excluding SAs, or year-by-year excluding Stack Overflow.
 
Before I write the query, I plead guilty ...
 
You can blame me for even hinting at the idea ;)
 
Rob
7:37 PM
The "who" in my comment above meaning "which site" not a specific user overall.
 
@Rob I think that's Meta. I've checked the base query for quite a few sites, and none were as quick. SO might qualify but I doubt it.
 
Rob
IE: Based on the above graphs only it's MSE, RPG and Travel third; but we might find another first place and are likely to find different candidates for the top few sites. --- Some sites just can't win: Physics and Quantum Computing come to mind, it takes a few minutes to hours to write an answer.
If the data period was limited to the past year Stack Overflow probably wouldn't timeout.
 
@Rob sadly, it does :(
This is Meta for the past year (interestingly, the mode has shifted to 5-8 minutes).
 
Rob
Yikes. We need a Meta Request to give more omph to SEDE.
 
no, we just need @rene
 
Rob
7:44 PM
Are they a great Optimizer; I hear that Query Optimization is an art?
 
yep
 
Rob
@Glorfindel @Taryn (unpingable) too, rene didn't make either list on SO: stackoverflow.com/tags/tsql/topusers stackoverflow.com/tags/sql/topusers
Gordon won't be beat!
 
that's including self-answers BTW
so last year, it has been more FGITW-y than Meta.SE
 
Rob
So SO beats MSE, for this year (especially if quantity counts as a factor with speed) because with so many questions one must choose what to answer, and delay answering of another.
 
8:00 PM
It seems MSE gets its speediness mostly of the first years of existence (2009-2011).
 
Rob
Beats it by a fair bit (but we have slowed our response on MSE the past year, skewing the result).
 
... which isn't a bad thing IMHO.
 
Rob
^^ Rest on our laurels. 😀
 
🪀
 
Rob
8:07 PM
@Glorfindel going back to the original query, Physics maintains the traditional (recent) shape coming in at more than 12 minutes; but look at Quantum Computing - a state of superposition:
 
@Rob Heisenberg at work? xD
 
Rob
Yup, darn cats.
 
that was Schrödinger :)
 
Rob
Self answered is unusually large ?
 
certainly
 
Rob
8:14 PM
Uncertainty is inability to measure, adding together is superposed - sources: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncertainty_principle en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_superposition
I (almost) have Mod Tools on QC.
 
I did one course at the university, where we did a few chapters of Nielson and Chang.
Believe it or not, it's lying on my coffee table because one day I want to read it in full.
I just didn't have time for it the past 10 years or so ...
 
Rob
It's still The Bible:
Quantum Computation and Quantum Information is a textbook about quantum information science written by Michael Nielsen and Isaac Chuang, regarded as a standard text on the subject. It is informally known as "Mike and Ike", after the candies of that name. The book assumes minimal prior experience with quantum mechanics and with computer science, aiming instead to be a self-contained introduction to the relevant features of both. (Lov Grover recalls a postdoc disparaging it with the remark, "The book is too elementary – it starts off with the assumption that the reader does not even know quantum...
A lot can change in ten years: "Researchers said their prototype took a little over three minutes to complete a task that would take the world’s fastest conventional machine 600 million years.". Source: scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3112649/…
 
8:32 PM
Potentially bad keyword in answer, toxic answer detected: anime.stackexchange.com/a/61193/56482
;)
 
@Rob you have them now, Heisenberg notwithstanding
@Ollie you're Smokey's stand-in for tonight? :)
 
@Glorfindel Yep!
For the hour anyway.
 
I forgot when Smokey reports posts in the Tavern (and I can't really read Python). It's after an x minute delay (but what is x? 5? 15?) and posts aren't reported if they have been deleted meanwhile? Or if they didn't have feedback yet?
 
Five. I think. But it's been 19 minutes and
It still isn't gone.
 
8:46 PM
@Glorfindel Five minutes, they aren't reported here if they've been deleted. I usually just hang out around Charcoal HQ to react to Smokey's reports. Sadly, big guns aren't available around there...
 
@Ollie that's why I'm wondering why Smokey itself didn't post a message.
 
@Glorfindel Yeah. I'm wondering too...
Maybe rene would know.
 
Rob
@Glorfindel Thanks, looks nice next to my Guru badge. Here's a bug for you, the "Progress Bar" is misleading:
Looks like I'm at the lowest possible level.
 
Weird. Is that because you have exactly 2k rep?
 
@Ollie must have glitched somewhere.
sdc location
 
Maybe Thomas his internet and powerlines are still wonkey
 
Rob
I guess, but it only goes to 5K and I'm 2/5ths of the way there.
 
Very nearly mod tools myself, now.
 
Rob
@Glorfindel It's 5, but "experimental" detections aren't reported here at all.
 
@Ollie yes, five minutes, unless the post has been FP'd or ignored: github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector/blob/master/…
@Rob ah, and 'toxic answer' is still experimental.
 
8:56 PM
Thanks @Glorfindel
Will the new editor be presented soon?
 
Rob
@Glorfindel The List of Experimental Reasons for Smokey.
 
@Ollie Meta.SE is one of the more interesting sites to see deleted posts.
 
@Glorfindel Like... ?
 
@Rob thanks. I would've expected toxic_check to return that somehow. But perhaps I'm too old-fashioned ...
 
Does "deleted posts" include quick-deletions for mod redactions?
 
9:03 PM
@Ollie perhaps not right now, but a year ago when the Code of Conduct was ... discussed ...
 
Ah.
 
Rob
Easiest way to remember is "potentially" and "toxic" - but of course you'll never see it here.
 
The number of questions asking for reposting/restoring deleted posts was rather alarming.
 
And how many undelete votes were cast instead of questions asked, Glorfindel?
 
@Ollie mod redactions are rare. I'm not sure what you meant by that.
@Ollie good question. One that I cannot answer via SEDE ...
@Rob thanks! Two years ago, I probably knew that. Not today ...
 
9:07 PM
@Glorfindel Heard it from @Journeyman. When a mod redaction is underway, sometimes they'll delete the post to hide it from people. But 10K-ers can still see them, can't they? Unless there's some other wizardry at work.
 
@Ollie I know of no system that hides a post from 10kers if it's deleted and not already redacted/manually removed by a developer. So I would imagine 10kers could still view it pre-redaction.
 
@Ollie is that public already? I find it very hard to keep track of where I get information from. I've seen it in action on Teams but I have no idea what I can share.
 
@Glorfindel Ahh, it's on Teams. And no, it's not public. But I am excited to see it.
@Spevacus Yeah, guess it's not that important. There's only 8 full pages of 10K's here on Meta...
 
Rob
@Ollie Redact: Edit to remove, edit to deface, delete history, rollback - something like that - maybe @Glo has done it.
 
@Ollie yes they can, if they have a link to the post. But redactions are rare; they're only used when people disclose passwords or post really abusive stuff like child porn.
 
9:12 PM
Really glad I haven't come across any of that ...
 
waffles
Never mind, I'll jinx it.
 
lol
 
:D
 
Ah, I see you're about 1k away from being able to see deleted posts, hence the discussion above.
You picked the right site to get it on, I suppose.
 
10K. But only 900-odd to go.
 
Rob
9:13 PM
@Glorfindel I've shared a screenshot of the editor alone, with no surrounding text - my understanding is that's OK. It's just the Vegas Rule, not the Fight Club Rule.
 
@Spevacus ✓
 
Anyone could try out the free version of Teams, I think. They could play around with the new editor themselves during the trial period.
 
@Spevacus Really? How do I sign up?
 
@Ollie syrup
 
@Rob yeah, that's absolutely fine.
 
9:15 PM
@Ollie You do, first, need a business e-mail. You can't use an e-mail from a service like gmail or w/e AFAIK. You just sign up with that using any of the many Teams links on stackoverflow.com.
 
@Spevacus Not with el trollear.
 
@Ollie you qualify for a Charcoal Teams account
 
Rob
Credit Card too?
 
You could also join Charcoal and join their Team. I've seen you in Charcoal HQ before.
Speaking of which; are you privileged with SD? Have you asked yet?
 
(not that I can grant you access, but still ...)
 
Rob
9:16 PM
Need to ask.
 
@Spevacus SD?
 
SmokeDetector
 
Unfortunately not. I was too smart one day and it's still sulking.
 
Rob
If you have to ask rule ...
 
But that'd be good.
@Spevacus How to ask?
 
9:19 PM
I just pressed "Esc" and cleared the massive wall I had just typed >_>
 
_/**_/
@Spevacus Really.
 
You can ask in Charcoal HQ by simply posting a general message asking for privileges and mentioning that you read an introduction to participating. A fierce affinity for destroying spam and rude/abusive content across the network is also appreciated ;) - Charcoal admins are pretty loose about who becomes privileged, provided they use those privileges correctly and accept advice when necessary, so don't sweat it too much.
 
@Spevacus I definitely have the affinity to destroy spam and abusive stuff across the network, but it seems like I'm never present when spam is posted. Only like 3-5 posts. Unless there are waffles.
 
Ohhh trust me. Spend awhile in Charcoal and get to know what qualifies as spam or rude or abusive a bit better, and you'll be contributing to quite a bit of spam destruction.
 
9:24 PM
in Charcoal HQ on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 39 secs ago, by metasmoke
PR#5150 ("Give privs to Ollie") opened by Glorfindel83
 
@Spevacus Very well. I'll read the intro and ask.
@Glorfindel Oh, thanks! I'll be able to use !!/report now.
 
no, not yet
somebody has to approve it
 
Heh, perhaps hold off on asking, but definitely show your face over in CHQ and say hello, at least. Glorfindel made a PR, a Charcoal code maintainer will have to merge it for it to work properly.
 
I'll do that.
@Glorfindel While they do that, I need to be going now
Ta
And thanks for the help and privs, Glorfindel, Splevacus.
 
9:26 PM
@Glorfindel You apparently have to add him to the list of privileged users in rooms.yml for Charcoal HQ. I'm following along with this commit's diff.
 
@Spevacus apparently I need to RTFM
thanks
 
LOL. No worries.
 
Rob
@Ollie When you get back type:
!!/amiprivileged
 
@Rob ✓ You are a privileged user.
 
10:11 PM
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Rob
10:59 PM
MGM removes paywall from James Bond movies. 🕵️
 
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